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| 00:19 | <todd> Hey all! Is there a PDF for LTSP 5 hanging around somewhere? I've found the manpages, but I'm looking for something like what used to exist for LTSP4 (which I can't seem to download from sourceforge) that explains the concepts.
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| 08:25 | <zend> Hi! :-) How can i enable network printer installed on ltsp server for thin client's local apps ? :-)
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| 08:28 | Scheme like these: <Network printer> - <LTSP Server> - <Thin Client> - <Local application>
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| 08:30 | With applications, which running directly on ltsp server, all ok, they are seeing the printer. But local apps does not.
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| 08:37 | <Hyperbyte> zend, I think it's a matter of just configuring CUPS on the server to share the printer.
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| 08:40 | <zend> Printer is set as shared for all users
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| 08:40 | In CUPS
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| 09:46 | <zend> So, nobody can help me? :-[
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| 09:47 | <alkisg> It should be working by default... so you need troubleshooting...
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| 09:47 | <zend> I am trying to install cupsd in the thin client's chroot, but (i guess) ltsp removes cupsd startup scripts from thin clients
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| 09:48 | <alkisg> You don't need cupsd, just the client part
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| 09:48 | I.e. cups-client
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| 09:48 | Just enough to point the client to the server (CUPS_SERVER=server, the default)
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| 09:49 | <zend> cups-client is installed :(
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| 09:49 | <alkisg> "so you need troubleshooting..." :)
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| 09:49 | <zend> Heh...
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| 09:49 | * alkisg is kinda busy currently though... wait a bit more in case someone's free | |
| 09:51 | <Hyperbyte> zend, the problem here is... it should work out of the box.
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| 09:51 | Without trying to be rude, you have probably done something to break it, or misconfigured the cupsd printer sharing on the server.
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| 09:54 | <zend> It is a fresh install...
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| 09:54 | :-)
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| 09:55 | This problem is only with applications, which running as "localapps"
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| 09:55 | For other applications and users printer is visible
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| 09:55 | <Hyperbyte> That's because other applications run on the server, and use cupsd on the server directly
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| 09:56 | <zend> Yes, i understand it)
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| 09:56 | <Hyperbyte> The localapps rely on local cups client
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| 09:56 | <zend> How i can check the local cups client?
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| 09:59 | * Hyperbyte shrugs | |
| 09:59 | <Hyperbyte> I do not know.
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| 09:59 | <zend> :'(
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| 10:09 | <Hyperbyte> zend, wait around for alkisg or someone else who knows. ;-)
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| 10:10 | <zend> I see that file /etc/cups/client.conf is does not exist
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| 10:10 | On thin clients
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| 10:12 | <Hyperbyte> zend, put your lts.conf on pastebin.
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| 10:13 | <zend> One moment
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| 10:13 | <Hyperbyte> Which OS are you using?
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| 10:13 | What distro/version?
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| 10:15 | <zend> http://pastebin.com/fJkR0GXf
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| 10:15 | xUbuntu 13.04
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| 10:15 | i386
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| 10:15 | Xubuntu :-)
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| 10:15 | <Hyperbyte> You don't need LIKE=Default
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| 10:16 | You also don't need FAT_CLIENT=False
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| 10:16 | Wait, this is regular LTSP, right?
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| 10:17 | Where did you get your config ideas from?
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| 10:17 | Things like NETWORK_COMPRESSION?
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| 10:18 | <zend> Hmm... About the compression - i see it in manual on ubuntu's wiki :-)
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| 10:18 | http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/natty/man5/lts.conf.5.html
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| 10:19 | But...
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| 10:19 | Yes, i don't see this variable in man from present version
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| 10:19 | <Hyperbyte> 'natty' - you're viewing 11.04 docs
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| 10:19 | !lts.conf
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| 10:19 | <ltsp> lts.conf: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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| 10:19 | <Hyperbyte> Use that manpage.
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| 10:19 | NETWORK_COMPRESSION = LDM_DIRECTX in newer versions, use that
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| 10:20 | If you value performance over security, that is.
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| 10:20 | <zend> Ok, i'll try it right now :)
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| 10:20 | <Hyperbyte> So change that, remove the two lines I mentioned.
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| 10:22 | Also things like LOCALDEV=True LOCAL_APPS=True are true by default, you don't need them.
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| 10:22 | MOUNT_LOCAL_MEDIA - I don't see this option in current manpage. Why did you specify this? Do your clients need to use the local harddisks?
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| 10:24 | <zend> They need to use usb flash drives :)
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| 10:24 | <Hyperbyte> Right, LTSP mounts USB drives by default.
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| 10:25 | So remove MOUNT_LOCAL_MEDIA
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| 10:25 | <Hyperbyte> When you've made all above changes, pastebin your new lts.conf and let me take another look. :)
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| 10:25 | <zend> Ok!
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| 10:26 | <Hyperbyte> Not sure if this actually solves your problems, but it's a good place to start. If your installation -is- fresh and unmodified as you say, then it should work, unless something in lts.conf is wrong or something went wrong with the installation. 2nd part we'll debug next.
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| 10:28 | <zend> http://pastebin.com/5CRRsuRu
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| 10:29 | <Hyperbyte> Remove LOCALDEV=True also, that's default value.
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| 10:29 | <zend> My fault. Removed.
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| 10:29 | <Hyperbyte> Next step is reboot client, see if this fixes the problem. My guess is no, but let's see.
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| 10:32 | <zend> ok
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| 10:32 | <zend> Still does not see the printer, but!
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| 10:32 | But...
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| 10:33 | But now i see the client.conf in cups directory
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| 10:33 | With ServerName server
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| 10:33 | Wow)
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| 10:33 | That's wrong
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| 10:33 | <Hyperbyte> No, that's not.
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| 10:33 | Type 'ping server' :)
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| 10:34 | <zend> Yes, it resolv it...
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| 10:34 | OK..
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| 10:34 | <Hyperbyte> :)
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| 10:34 | You are running a local xterm to check all this, I assume?
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| 10:34 | Or a root shell or screen_02?
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| 10:34 | <zend> Yes
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| 10:34 | Of course)
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| 10:34 | <Hyperbyte> local xterm, okay
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| 10:35 | <zend> Look..
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| 10:35 | <Hyperbyte> Type: dpkg -l cups-client | grep ^ii
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| 10:35 | (in the local xterm)
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| 10:35 | <zend> Yes, it is installed
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| 10:36 | <Hyperbyte> Not sure about the rest of the workings of cups-client. But I'm sure with everything we've determined now, alkisg will know the answer in 1 minute.
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| 10:36 | <zend> After changing servername to ltsp.mydomain i see the printer in libreoffice :-\
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| 10:36 | :-\
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| 10:36 | <Hyperbyte> zend, hrm
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| 10:37 | Put:
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| 10:37 | LDM_SERVER=ltsp.mydomain in your lts.conf
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| 10:37 | Retry
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| 10:37 | <zend> Changed back to "server", and printer disappears :)
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| 10:38 | One moment, i'll try.
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| 10:38 | <Hyperbyte> Although
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| 10:38 | No, go ahead and try.
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| 10:39 | Well, no, let's take simpler approach anyway
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| 10:39 | Don't put LDM_SERVER
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| 10:39 | Put CUPS_SERVER instead
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| 10:39 | <zend> Ok )
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| 10:39 | Changed, booting...
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| 10:40 | But i don't see the CUPS_SERVER variable in man :)
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| 10:40 | <Hyperbyte> That's a problem with documentation.
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| 10:40 | <zend> Anyway, booting
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| 10:40 | )
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| 10:41 | <Hyperbyte> If you're a technical person, take a look in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/rc.d/X01-localapps on the server
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| 10:41 | At the complete bottom, there's logic for creating the cups/client.conf file
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| 10:41 | <zend> One moment
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| 10:42 | <Hyperbyte> It puts LDM_SERVER as ServerName, unless CUPS_SERVER is set, because then it takes CUPS_SERVER.
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| 10:44 | <zend> Yes, i see..
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| 10:44 | Cool )
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| 10:45 | It's working now :)
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| 10:46 | Yes
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| 10:46 | Thank you!!! :-)
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| 10:47 | You really helped me!
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| 10:48 | <Hyperbyte> Wow! :-)
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| 10:49 | Glad I could help.
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| 10:54 | <Hyperbyte> Oh!
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| 10:54 | !map
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| 10:54 | <ltsp> I do not know about 'map', but I do know about these similar topics: 'worldmap'
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| 10:54 | <Hyperbyte> !worldmap
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| 10:54 | <ltsp> worldmap: If you're using LTSP, please let the world know and share your story at http://www.ltsp.org/stories/ Your can add a nice pin to our world map at your location, plus your setup will count towards the global LTSP usage statistics.
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| 10:54 | <Hyperbyte> Don't forget. :-D
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| 12:17 | <willianmazzardo> alkisg, good morning … (to me ) eheheh
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| 12:18 | alkisg, about the issues talked yesterdey … everything is OK … but one thing I feel strange is the CUPS, he is not LOCAL, the clients are using cups for server … but is working
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| 13:47 | <Hyperbyte> willianmazzardo, LTSP clients always use the CUPS on the server. That way you don't have to mess with client config to configure a printer.
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| 13:47 | <willianmazzardo> Hyperbyte, in FAT clients
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| 13:48 | <Hyperbyte> willianmazzardo, same story I think.
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| 13:53 | <willianmazzardo> ok
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| 13:53 | <Hyperbyte> Is it a problem for you?
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| 14:12 | <alkisg> willianmazzardo: hi, yup, it's like Hyperbyte said it
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| 14:13 | CUPS_SERVER=server by default
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| 14:13 | <willianmazzardo> ok
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| 14:13 | ;)
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| 14:19 | <Hyperbyte> Oh, HIM you believe....
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| 14:52 | <tfdl> hello again,
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| 14:53 | in a default ltsp thin client server setup. a user can not open 2 firefox browser on 2 different login/client machines.
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| 14:54 | So, i think of installing firefox as local app so that one same user can open more than 1 firefox browser on different computer at the same time.
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| 14:55 | is this correct, can you please confirm?
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| 14:56 | thanks all!
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| 14:56 | <alkisg> Will /home/username be common to those machines?
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| 14:56 | E.g. via sshfs, or nfs?
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| 14:56 | If so, it will still be a problem with firefox, and you shouldn't do that in general...
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| 14:58 | <tfdl> testing
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| 14:59 | ok able to type now
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| 14:59 | sorry
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| 14:59 | ah /home/user1 is the only dir
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| 14:59 | the chat does not accept string start with /home/user1 :)
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| 15:01 | ok, i will not do that local app for firefox. it is because we have like 100 clients machines doing the same thing, so we do not want to create and admin 100 users.
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| 15:02 | alkisg, i asked you a related question before and you told me to user skel as template profile which works nicely for us
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| 15:03 | but this time we question further to only create 1 user. but now i know it is not a good idea.
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| 15:03 | thanks again.
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| 15:05 | here is our library btw, http://tfdl.ucalgary.ca/
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| 15:14 | <alkisg> tfdl: is that like a kiosk, where the user doesn't save any data at all? If so, you can have 1 user...
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| 15:15 | I.e. each user would use some NBD space from the server, he wouldn't use SSHFS nor NFS
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| 15:18 | <tfdl> sorry
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| 15:18 | yes
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| 15:19 | we use firefox as kios
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| 15:19 | ok
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| 15:20 | so back to my question alkisg, i need to install firefox as localapps?
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| 15:21 | you are right that user does not save data at all
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| 15:22 | we play workroom booking application on it.
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| 15:22 | one app is open source php the other is outlook they are both webapps that is why we need firefox
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| 15:23 | as kiosk
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| 15:28 | <tfdl> so alkisg, i still need to install localapps firefox and rebuild the client image?
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| 15:32 | <alkisg> tfdl: how much RAM do the clients have?
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| 15:32 | <tfdl> 2 gig
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| 15:33 | <alkisg> Yes, install firefox as localapp, you don't need any server user at all, only the kioskuser created dynamically on boot will suffice,
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| 15:33 | and an NBD temporary /home/kioskuser locally, and you're ready to go
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| 15:33 | <tfdl> here is our computers http://www.viaembedded.com/en/products/systems/990/1/AMOS-5000_(EITX-3000).html
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| 15:34 | <alkisg> This isn't a computer; it's just the chassis
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| 15:34 | <tfdl> that is so neat
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| 15:34 | <alkisg> It doesn't say anything about the specs of your clients... but ok, the 2 gigs you said is enough...
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| 15:35 | <tfdl> ok, sorry it is chassis, ok, i will go do it now.
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| 15:35 | thanks for today solution and task. (ltsp daily dose)
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| 15:38 | alkisg, is this the page to read? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/GetMoreFromLocalApps#A10.04
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| 15:39 | <alkisg> Tha page is extermely outdated, it should be deleted...
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| 15:39 | *That
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| 15:39 | <tfdl> but i am so in need of some doc
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| 15:40 | instruction
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| 15:40 | can you point me to another page?
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| 15:41 | <alkisg> I don't think that method is documented anywhere... maybe you could find some old conversations in irclogs.ltsp.org
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| 15:41 | <tfdl> ok thanks!
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| 15:43 | thanks alkisg, will figure it out.
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| 16:07 | <tfdl> this will probably help install firefox as localapps https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFSF_Vqq7_I (just want a record for this conversation log, for other user).
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| 16:14 | <alkisg> tfdl: you're not looking for localapps, but for the kiosk mode
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| 16:15 | (if I understood correctly...)
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| 16:23 | <cliebow> anyone figured out how to netboot a macbook to isc dhcp?
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| 16:28 | <workingcats> cliebow, what do you mean?
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| 16:34 | <tfdl> alkisg, ok i will try both. to see what will allow me to open multiple ffox on different machine with just 1 account. thanks tahanks!
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| 16:36 | <workingcats> tfdl, another option would be to use different FF profiles, but i dont think it fits this case well
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| 16:39 | <cliebow> workingcats, i was deep into using ibooks and g4 as clients back in the ice ages..wonder if anyone else is carrying the ball for macbooks..
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| 16:40 | i never did get a working config for macbooksd as clients
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| 16:40 | <workingcats> assuming they implement the basic functionality of PXE i dont see why it wouldnt work?
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| 16:40 | <cliebow> they dont
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| 16:40 | <cliebow> really
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| 16:40 | <workingcats> lol, that is so apple
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| 16:40 | <cliebow> hey Vagrant!
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| 16:40 | <workingcats> well you can "chain-boot"
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| 16:41 | like on the rPi. load a bootloader local that is capable of handing over to network boot
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| 16:41 | <cliebow> i ll ask the guys when they come to ltsp by the sea
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| 16:43 | <vagrantc> cliebow: hi!
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| 16:44 | * vagrantc needs to make plans for bts soon, it's coming fast! | |
| 16:45 | <cliebow> 8~)..i forgot when already..first week or so of Oct.
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| 16:45 | <vagrantc> last week of oct, no?
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| 16:45 | workingcats: what's the question?
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| 16:45 | <cliebow> have to get hold of jammcq..havnt seen anything of Scotty
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| 16:46 | <workingcats> vagrantc, netboot macbooks
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| 16:46 | <vagrantc> i've had some success with netbooting macbooks
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| 16:46 | ppc is easier...
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| 16:47 | <cliebow> we can netboot and image macbooks here..guess ill have to capture the conversation again..
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| 16:47 | <vagrantc> sometimes you can use an iPXE boot CD or USB stick to just get pxelinux
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| 16:47 | <cliebow> but of coursed that is to apple dhcp
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| 16:47 | ahh yes
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| 16:47 | <vagrantc> i've got x86 macs booting off a linux server
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| 16:47 | but only to OSX
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| 16:47 | <workingcats> the dhcp server only supplies the path, the actual boot files should be via some other method, e.g. tftp, no?
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| 16:47 | <cliebow> anythong special for commands in dhcpd.conf
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| 16:48 | <vagrantc> iPXE works in most of the other cases
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| 16:48 | <workingcats> vagrantc, yeah thats what i meant with chain boot :)
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| 16:48 | <vagrantc> workingcats: mac combined them all into a single server
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| 16:48 | <workingcats> lol
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| 16:48 | <vagrantc> wat i'd really like to do is boot iPXE over the network
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| 16:49 | <cliebow> so you ve got a working dhcpd.conf to boot from a linux box then?
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| 16:49 | <vagrantc> works fine on normal x86 machines, but haven't had luck making an iPXE UEFI image
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| 16:50 | cliebow: yup
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| 16:50 | cliebow: also needs netatalk (yes, netatalk)
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| 16:50 | <cliebow> hahah..stab from the past
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| 16:51 | <vagrantc> nothing like protocols of the 80s used to boot fairly modrn hardware
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| 16:51 | <workingcats> well i'm off for now, laters
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| 16:52 | <cliebow> so fool it into thinking iot is talking to a mac server
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| 16:52 | <vagrantc> yeah, it uses appletalk to authenticate and provide "swap" files
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| 16:53 | <cliebow> hehehe
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| 16:53 | <vagrantc> cliebow: i need to write up what i've done efore i forget
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| 16:53 | <cliebow> firghto.. ill wait..
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| 16:54 | <vagrantc> it's been a while since i've tried wrapping iPXE in an EFI image... might work better now
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| 16:54 | doesn't help that apple's EFI isn't compliant with other implementations...
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| 16:56 | <cliebow> yes
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| 18:40 | <edwin> I have a novice question
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| 18:41 | <Guest57090> oook
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| 18:41 | so I still have the question
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| 18:41 | <muppis> Just ask.
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| 18:41 | <Guest57090> if I have a 64 bits LTSP Server
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| 18:42 | and the thin clients are 32 bits. Will they use the server whole capabilitie or just part of it?
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| 18:42 | <muppis> Whole. It's just a terminal to use that server.
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| 18:43 | <Guest57090> but I will have to build for archi686
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| 18:43 | <vagrantc> theapplications actually run on the server, unless you tell them not to (i.e. fatclients)
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| 18:43 | but they do use local gpu rather than server gpu
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| 18:43 | <Guest57090> ltsp-build-image --archi686 right?
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| 18:44 | <vagrantc> if your distro has i686 as a valid arch..
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| 18:44 | debian/ubuntu use i386
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| 18:44 | <Guest57090> let me get this text hold on
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| 18:45 | Warning /!\ If you are on a 64-bit system but your clients have another architecture use the --arch option eg. sudo ltsp-build-client --arch i386
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| 18:48 | thats from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 18:50 | <vagrantc> sure
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| 18:51 | Guest57090: if you're on ubuntu and you have 32-bit clients, use --arch i386
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| 18:55 | <Guest57090> so thats my question
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| 18:55 | will that client use the whole capacity of the service beeing a 32 bits?
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| 18:56 | let's say I have 8 Gb Ram
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| 18:56 | server*
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| 18:57 | <alkisg> Yes. The client will do a "remote desktop" on the server, so then the programs will be running on the server, which will have access to all the 8 Gb RAM
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| 18:58 | By the way, even i386 clients can access up to 64 Gb RAM, it's a feature called PAE
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| 18:58 | <Guest57090> opps didn't know that I thought it was only to 3.6 aprox
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| 18:59 | <alkisg> A default i386 ubuntu installation can see up to 64 Gb RAM
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| 18:59 | because it uses the -pae kernel
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| 19:06 | <vagrantc> although if you can use amd64/x86_64, it accesses the higher ram a little more efficiently
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