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02:00 | <MarconM> witch is the best linux for use ltsp ?
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02:12 | how can i donate money to LTSP project
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02:12 | ?
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02:20 | <vagrantc> !bestdistro
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02:20 | <ltsp> Error: "bestdistro" is not a valid command.
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02:20 | <vagrantc> !distro
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02:20 | <ltsp> I do not know about 'distro', but I do know about these similar topics: 'bestltspdistro'
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02:21 | <vagrantc> !bestltspdistro | echo MarconM
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02:21 | <ltsp> MarconM bestltspdistro: whatever you prefer
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02:21 | <MarconM> vagrantc:
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02:21 | <vagrantc> i'm biased towards debian, ubuntu's not too bad
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02:21 | <MarconM> do u have a minute
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02:22 | did u see like linux 32 bits
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02:22 | <vagrantc> MarconM: just ask questions of the channel and wait patiently
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02:22 | <MarconM> the files pxelinux.0 gpxelinu.0
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02:22 | pxelinux.cfg
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02:22 | arent there
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02:22 | <vagrantc> what distro?
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02:22 | <MarconM> i reinstall a lot of times .. and run ltsp-build-client
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02:22 | but nothing
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02:22 | ubuntu, lubuntu, kubuntu ubuntu server
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02:23 | 32 bits .. most of then
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02:23 | some 64 bits too
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02:23 | <vagrantc> those are all the same thing.
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02:23 | <MarconM> same version yes
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02:23 | ubuntu server 64 worsk ...
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02:23 | but ... ubuntu server 32 doenst
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02:23 | <vagrantc> i haven't verified myself, but i think there is a bug in ubuntu that was fixed in newer versions of LTSP.
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02:23 | it really ought to get fixed in ubuntu.
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02:23 | <MarconM> Ok
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02:24 | <vagrantc> what version of ubuntu?
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02:24 | <MarconM> 14.10
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02:24 | 14.04
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02:24 | i got a error on client .. like Operation System not found
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02:25 | i took a look on /var/lib/tftpdboot/ltsp/i386
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02:25 | some files are missing
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02:25 | <vagrantc> if you can find a ltsp 5.5.2 or newer for ubuntu it should work
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02:25 | the bug you're experiencing was fixed in ltsp 5.5.2
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02:25 | <MarconM> let me see wich version is
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02:25 | <vagrantc> uptream, and i don't think stgraber has updated ubuntu since
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02:26 | <MarconM> vagrantc: do u use ltsp ?
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02:26 | wich linux are u using or recommend ?
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02:26 | debian, fedora
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02:27 | <vagrantc> i maintain ltsp in debian
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02:27 | fedora hasn't been updated in several years
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02:27 | opensuse has kiwi-ltsp, which uses some ltsp stuff
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02:27 | but it's a little different
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02:28 | * vagrantc has considered exploring what it would take to improve maintenance in ubuntu... | |
02:28 | <MarconM> debian + lxde ?
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02:28 | debian last version ?
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02:28 | i mean 7.8
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02:28 | <vagrantc> i would recommend trying debian 8.0 at this point, it will be released at the end of april
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02:29 | <MarconM> ok
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02:29 | debian testing
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02:29 | <vagrantc> lxde is pretty good, mate is pretty good
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02:29 | <MarconM> yes
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02:29 | i am downloading linux mint debian base
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02:29 | <vagrantc> yes, currently debian jessie 8.0 is testing
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02:29 | <MarconM> with mate
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02:29 | but ..i ll cancel
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02:29 | <vagrantc> no idea how well maintained that is
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02:30 | but i just uploaded a new version of ltsp to debian a few hours ago :)
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02:30 | <MarconM> really
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02:30 | apt-get ?
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02:30 | or .. source code ?
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02:31 | <vagrantc> it isn't really a new version, just a minor bugfix
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02:31 | the version in jessie should be fine (5.5.4-3)
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02:32 | <MarconM> hunm
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02:32 | so this "problem" its a bug
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02:32 | from ubuntu ....
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02:32 | o dear god ... 4 days lot
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02:32 | lost
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02:33 | T.T
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02:33 | <vagrantc> it's not hard to fix.
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02:33 | <MarconM> i want to use lubuntu
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02:33 | how can i fixe
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02:33 | this bug .. its from tftp ?
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02:34 | it is responsable for download the pxe*
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02:34 | "bad english"
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02:34 | * MarconM is not good with english ... learning | |
02:35 | <MarconM> http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/
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02:35 | debian testing
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02:35 | <vagrantc> patch is: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/revision/2569/client/share/ltsp/update-kernels
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02:36 | and: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/revision/2570/client/share/ltsp/update-kernels
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02:36 | for completeness
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02:36 | <MarconM> Ok
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02:37 | vagrantc: but ...i ll try on debian =D
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02:37 | <vagrantc> i usually use the netboot mini.iso to install debian:
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02:37 | <MarconM> this is netbook
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02:37 | no ?
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02:37 | <vagrantc> http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/jessie/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
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02:37 | <MarconM> 237mb
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02:37 | <vagrantc> this is just 27MB :)
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02:38 | <MarconM> xD
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02:38 | ok
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02:38 | very tiny
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02:38 | vagrantc: where are u from ?
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02:38 | <vagrantc> but then you have to download more off the network during the install, of course
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02:38 | <MarconM> my network its pretty good
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02:38 | 20mb/s
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02:38 | * vagrantc uses squid-deb-proxy to cache package downloads | |
02:39 | * MarconM use apt-cacher-ng to cache packages downloads | |
02:39 | <vagrantc> nothing beats gigabit download speeds during an install :)
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02:39 | haven't tried that in a while, but same idea :)
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02:39 | <MarconM> yes =)
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02:39 | yes
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02:40 | I use squid just for "block little childs" to enter on facebook, etc...
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02:40 | my raspberry comming \o
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02:40 | <vagrantc> MarconM: so i'm on the west coast of north america, pacific northwest
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02:40 | MarconM: you?
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02:40 | <MarconM> Brazil
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02:41 | vagrantc: maybe u dont no ... but u help me a lot
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02:41 | * MarconM hates ubuntu | |
02:41 | <vagrantc> MarconM: glad to help!
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02:41 | <MarconM> i appreciate
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02:41 | <vagrantc> MarconM: lot of good LTSP installs in brazil, i hear ... also know a few developers from there.
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02:41 | <MarconM> vagrantc: sorry byt the mistakes
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02:41 | english =D
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02:42 | * MarconM has a lot of languages inside his head | |
02:42 | <vagrantc> far better than my brazillian portuguese
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02:42 | <MarconM> rsrssr
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02:42 | i hope visit EUA this year
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02:43 | vagrantc: 20 machines thin client
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02:43 | with debian + lxde
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02:43 | server wll be a core duao 1.8 2gb ram
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02:43 | what u think ?
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02:43 | <vagrantc> about all i remember of pt_BR is obrigado
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02:43 | <MarconM> Core 2 duo*
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02:44 | vagrantc: yes =D
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02:44 | correct
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02:44 | De nada = wellcome
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02:44 | Di rien
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02:44 | pazjalsta
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02:44 | <vagrantc> and Bagunça
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02:44 | <MarconM> xie xie @.@
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02:44 | kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
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02:45 | vagrantc: bagunça rsrs =D
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02:45 | i dont remember bagunça in english
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02:45 | <vagrantc> core 2 duo with 2gb ram might be a little slow for a thin client server ... depends on what they're using it for
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02:45 | <MarconM> maybe "riot"
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02:45 | vagrantc: school program
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02:45 | <vagrantc> someone described it to me as "a fun mess"
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02:45 | <MarconM> Education
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02:45 | vagrantc: yues
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02:45 | yes
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02:46 | <vagrantc> MarconM: problem is things like the web browser ... if you go to simple sites, it might work fine ... but some sites eat up a huge amount of ram.
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02:46 | <MarconM> vagrantc: no no ....
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02:46 | just program
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02:46 | like .. games
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02:46 | little games ...
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02:47 | web sites o blocked
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02:47 | I blocked
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02:47 | <vagrantc> ah.
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02:47 | well, noting like experimentation to try
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02:47 | <MarconM> yes of course
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02:48 | * vagrantc went to the debian conference in brazil and FISL in 2004 | |
02:48 | <MarconM> vagrantc: i thought that ltsp
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02:48 | <vagrantc> seems like forever ago
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02:48 | <MarconM> was ... how a say
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02:48 | Out
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02:48 | abandoned
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02:49 | <vagrantc> the computer you're using was abandoned?
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02:49 | <MarconM> No No
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02:49 | i mean .. LTSP projet
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02:49 | Project
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02:49 | <vagrantc> it's still going, but a little slow
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02:50 | many folks are doing fat clients ... your core 2 duo would make a good LTSP fat client :)
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02:50 | <MarconM> yes i hope so
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02:50 | vagrantc: this Mini debian that u posted to me
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02:50 | its 32 bits correct
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02:51 | <vagrantc> yup.
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02:51 | for 64-bit: http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/jessie/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
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02:52 | <vagrantc> MarconM: you might also want to explore the ltsp-pnp methods:
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02:52 | !ltsp-pnp | echo MarconM
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02:52 | <ltsp> MarconM ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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02:52 | <MarconM> good to know
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02:52 | i ll study
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02:52 | vagrantc:
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02:52 | <vagrantc> it's much easier to maintain, as you basically build the image out of the server's install.
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02:53 | same method also works on Debian, of course.
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02:53 | <MarconM> vagrantc: ltsp download all the "OS" for the /opt/ltsp/$arch
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02:53 | this take a lot of time
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02:54 | why not just make a "clone
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02:54 | <vagrantc> that's one of the things ltsp-pnp does
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02:54 | <MarconM> Clone ?
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02:56 | <MarconM> vagrantc: booting debing =D
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02:59 | <vagrantc> MarconM: good luck!
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02:59 | <MarconM> vagrantc: is not booting
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02:59 | the mini
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03:00 | * MarconM confuse | |
03:21 | <vagrantc> the thin client?
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03:26 | debian does require manually configuring a few things like /etc/exports and /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf and /etc/network/interfaces ...
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03:27 | or using dnsmasq for dhcp
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03:27 | which can be configured using ltsp-config dnsmasq
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03:30 | <MarconM> vagrantc:
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03:30 | what the mean
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03:31 | that i need to config interfaces ok
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03:31 | <vagrantc> maybe
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03:31 | <MarconM> dhpd.conf @.@
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03:31 | /etc/ltsp/dhcp.conf
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03:31 | <vagrantc> DHCP is what tells the thin client what to download from the server
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03:31 | <MarconM> isc
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03:31 | hunm
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03:32 | do u have a conf for me
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03:32 | <vagrantc> MarconM: you need to add to /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf: include "/etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf";
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03:32 | <MarconM> have a ideia
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03:32 | <vagrantc> at least i think that's how it's supposed to work... let me check
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03:33 | <MarconM> ok
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03:33 | Obrigado =D
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03:33 | <vagrantc> de nada
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03:34 | yeah, add one line at the bottom of /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf: include "/etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf";
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03:34 | MarconM: you have two network cards on your server?
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03:35 | <MarconM> note installed
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03:35 | but .. i am testing on a real machine
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03:35 | now ... Home
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03:35 | and has just one
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03:36 | <vagrantc> if you have two network cards, you would configure networking different
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03:36 | dhcpd.conf and interfaces would need to be configured correctly.
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03:37 | <MarconM> vagrantc: yes
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03:37 | i read about that
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03:50 | finishing the instalation
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04:20 | vagrantc:
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04:20 | building the client
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04:20 | sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone
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04:20 | sudo vi /etc/dhcpd/dhcpd.conf
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04:21 | include "/etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf" on the top
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04:21 | edited the /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf for me range of ip
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04:30 | <vagrantc> MarconM: you want the include at the bottom.
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04:32 | <MarconM> botton, like last line ?
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04:32 | Ohhh god
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04:32 | Ltsp-build-client its running
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04:32 | =(
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04:32 | i must to stop to change the line of dhcpd.conf
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04:32 | ?
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04:39 | <vagrantc> just open another terminal
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04:39 | or switch to another tty
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04:43 | <MarconM> ok
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04:43 | debian its quite fast
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04:46 | <MarconM> vagrantc: http://imagebin.ca/v/1wnIu9KMbmcU
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04:47 | thin client .. look the error
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04:47 | but the files ... pxelinux.0 are there
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04:51 | <vagrantc> MarconM: probably trying to boot off of your router
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04:51 | <alkisg> MarconM: what are your client specifications, i.e. how much RAM and what CPU do they have?
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04:51 | <MarconM> 256
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04:51 | <vagrantc> MarconM: if you're on the same network as your router, you should use proxydhcp with dnsmasq instead of dhcpd
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04:51 | <alkisg> Pentium 4?
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04:51 | <MarconM> the same client that works with others
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04:51 | <vagrantc> !proxydhcp | echo marconm
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04:51 | <ltsp> marconm proxydhcp: A proxy DHCP server is defined by the PXE specification as a server which sends auxiliary boot information to clients, like the boot filename, tftp server or rootpath, but leaves the task of IP leasing to the normal DHCP server. More info: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
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04:52 | <MarconM> maybe dhcp or tftp
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04:52 | is not running
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04:53 | <vagrantc> if you only have one network card, it's getting DHCP response from the wrong server
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04:55 | <MarconM> PXE-E36: Error received from TFTP server. A TFTP error packet was received from the TFTP server.
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04:58 | vagrantc: its too late here
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04:58 | tomorrow we continue
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04:58 | <alkisg> MarconM: do you want me to check with remote support?
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04:58 | <MarconM> ok ... sleep
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04:58 | alkisg:
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04:58 | remote ... like ?
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04:58 | aamy
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04:58 | * alkisg is a sysadmin that helps 1000+ schools in greece.. | |
04:59 | <alkisg> !vnc-dide
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04:59 | <ltsp> vnc-dide: To share your screen with me, run this: sudo apt-get --yes install x11vnc; x11vnc -connect srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr - this is a reverse connection, it doesn't need port forwarding etc.
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04:59 | <MarconM> ok
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04:59 | <vagrantc> wow
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04:59 | MarconM: well, i gotta go too... good luck!
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04:59 | * alkisg waves to vagrantc | |
05:00 | * vagrantc waves to alkisg | |
05:00 | <vagrantc> alkisg: tag-team, practically :)
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05:00 | <alkisg> :)
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05:01 | <MarconM> alkisg: its u
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05:01 | @.@
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05:01 | <alkisg> MarconM: yup
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05:01 | * MarconM hide on the bed | |
05:01 | <alkisg> Put the pass there, don't tell it to me
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05:03 | MarconM: you have one network card and a router?
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05:03 | <MarconM> just one
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05:03 | card
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05:03 | <alkisg> What is 192.168.1.1?
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05:03 | Isn't that your router?
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05:05 | See? That's your broadband router there in firefox
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05:05 | So, you have 2 dhcp servers. The first is the router, the second is the ltsp server.
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05:05 | The network won't work correctly with 2 dhcp servers, you need to disable one of them
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05:06 | Do you want me to disable the dhcp server in ltsp?
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05:06 | <MarconM> but ... i installed edubuntu and works perfectly
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05:06 | ubuntu alternatives works too
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05:06 | alkisg:
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05:06 | one question
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05:07 | why on 32bits installation
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05:07 | the files pxelinux.0
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05:07 | are missing
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05:07 | its a bug
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05:07 | <alkisg> They shouldn't be missing, and it's easily fixable
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05:07 | I don't know if it's a bug or something you did
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05:07 | <MarconM> nope
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05:07 | alkisg: ubuntu server 64
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05:07 | works ... 14.10
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05:08 | ubuntu server 14.10 32bits
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05:08 | <alkisg> MarconM: let's start with you deciding what you want
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05:08 | All can be made to work
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05:08 | <MarconM> same conf... dont
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05:08 | <alkisg> Decide what you want first
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05:08 | What is your client cpu? Pentium 4?
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05:08 | <MarconM> this server ll be on my on my work
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05:08 | and there dont have dhcp server
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05:09 | just ltsp ...so ... will work
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05:09 | <alkisg> It's very easy to switch from having a dhcp server to not having one
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05:09 | Don't worry to much
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05:09 | But decide what you want first
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05:09 | Do you want ubuntu, do you want debian, do you want 64 bit or 32 bit...
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05:09 | <MarconM> alkisg: coz .. here has a lot of stuff working
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05:09 | with dhcp
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05:09 | alkisg: at work .. the machine are 32
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05:09 | but .. i cant setup coz .. thi error
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05:10 | <alkisg> You can put 32bit in the server too
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05:10 | <MarconM> yes ... but
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05:10 | i installed a lot of times
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05:10 | i did the same config
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05:10 | and the files are missing
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05:10 | <alkisg> Come here and we'll troubleshoot it
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05:10 | Don't worry
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05:10 | <MarconM> ok
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05:10 | i did
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05:10 | last 4 days
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05:10 | <alkisg> What are your client CPU? Pentium 3? Pentium 4?
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05:11 | <MarconM> celerom 1.8
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05:11 | 1gb ram
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05:11 | <alkisg> Then do this:
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05:11 | <MarconM> i ll up to 4gb
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05:11 | <alkisg> !ltsp-pnp
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05:11 | <ltsp> ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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05:11 | <MarconM> ok
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05:11 | <alkisg> Use the ubuntu-mate 14.04.2 CD
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05:11 | Or debian jessie
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05:11 | Any of those two will work fine
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05:12 | <MarconM> ok ...
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05:12 | this is debian jessie
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05:12 | <alkisg> If you use debian jessie, use mate-desktop
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05:12 | <MarconM> ok
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05:12 | lxde ?
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05:12 | <alkisg> It's ok too
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05:12 | <MarconM> ok
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05:12 | <alkisg> If you like it, it works fine with ltsp
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05:12 | <MarconM> hey alkisg
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05:12 | <alkisg> Just don't use gnome3 or unity or kde
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05:12 | <MarconM> what do u think is the "bug"
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05:13 | <alkisg> On what distro/version did you see the bug?
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05:13 | <MarconM> i ll show something
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05:13 | <alkisg> Ubuntu 14.10?
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05:13 | <MarconM> ubuntu alternative 32
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05:13 | <alkisg> What version?
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05:13 | <MarconM> lubuntu 14.10
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05:13 | kubuntu
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05:13 | <alkisg> We don't really test non-LTS versions
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05:13 | <MarconM> ubuntu server
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05:13 | <alkisg> Use 12.04 or 14.04
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05:13 | <MarconM> yes
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05:13 | i did
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05:13 | <alkisg> Don't use 14.10
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05:15 | <MarconM> ok
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05:15 | http://imagebin.ca/v/1wnRWM2fkGEO
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05:15 | lubuntu <
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05:15 | i think i ll use debian jessie
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05:16 | with lxde
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05:16 | <alkisg> The image doesn't help because it doesn't show the error
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05:17 | <MarconM> alkisg: some files are missing
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05:17 | <alkisg> Yes I see, but I don't see why
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05:17 | <MarconM> pxelinux.0 pxelinux.cfg gpxelinux.0
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05:17 | <alkisg> E.g. ltsp-update-kernels would tell you why
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05:17 | The error is important, not the result
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05:17 | <MarconM> is not taling this files
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05:17 | taking*
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05:18 | <alkisg> MarconM: anyway, if you want help, ping me when you have the installation ready to troubleshoot it
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05:19 | <MarconM> alkisg: ok
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05:19 | thanks for u help
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05:19 | now i ll sleep
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05:19 | to late here
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05:19 | <alkisg> Bye
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05:19 | <MarconM> alkisg: one question ...
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05:19 | can i isntall 2 desk
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05:19 | like .. mate and lxde ?
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05:19 | or i must install just one
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05:20 | <alkisg> Install one, it's better
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05:20 | <MarconM> ok
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05:20 | <alkisg> In some cases you'll have multiple services running
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05:20 | Which is bad for ram and stability
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05:20 | 06:00<MarconM> anyone there ? 06:04<alkisg> I'm here! 06:04 !ask 06:04<ltsp`> ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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05:20 | That was 3 days ago...
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05:20 | I answered but you left :)
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05:20 | http://irclogs.ltsp.org/?d=2015-03-30
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05:21 | So, wait more when you come here and ask questions
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05:21 | <MarconM> i was freaking out
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05:21 | firt ... i installed following a tutorial .. ubuntu alternative
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05:21 | works perfectly
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05:21 | <alkisg> Use the ltsp-pnp tutorial
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05:22 | <MarconM> ok
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05:22 | !ltsp-pnp
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05:22 | <ltsp> ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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05:22 | <MarconM> alkisg: will work on debian jessie ?
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05:22 | ppa ?
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05:23 | <alkisg> See https://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto
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05:23 | There's a paragraph about "Installing LTSP using the LTSP-PNP method"
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05:23 | The first ltsp-pnp how-to is for Ubuntu, and this one is for debian
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05:24 | <MarconM> Ahhh ok
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05:24 | tomorrow .. i ll study
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05:24 | both =D
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05:24 | alkisg: thanku so much
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05:24 | see u later
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05:24 | <alkisg> You're welcome, bb
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05:25 | <MarconM> :)
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05:27 | <highvoltage> u
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12:34 | <MarconM> morning :)
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12:35 | !ping
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12:35 | <ltsp> pong
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14:54 | <championofcyrodi> so... i think my users are having issues with fat clients being left on over night, and failing to reconnect to the nbd server when they log in the next morning.
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14:55 | this is verbatim from the user: Same problem this morning: Pidgin suddenly closes, no error message. Any click on Thunderbird will then close that too, no message. Chrome continues working as normal. Ubuntu file search doesn't work (returns nothing). top in console doesn't work - command not recognized. Attempt to restart leaves machine hanging on background screen. Have to hard-reset by holding the NUC button to reboot. Ev
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14:55 | sounds to me like the nbd client is only running off cache
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14:55 | and with some of it missing, is failing
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15:18 | <j___> hello
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15:37 | <alkisg> championofcyrodi: nbd doesn't support reconnections good, so if it disconnects for a few seconds over night then it will have the symptoms you said
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15:37 | If you want more stability, try xnbd or aoe
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15:37 | or nfs
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15:42 | <championofcyrodi> thanks
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15:43 | <alkisg> Note that other things also have stability issues though, so you might want to check your network first...
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15:46 | <J____> Trying to run PiNet and am running into an issue with init-ltsp : error is that /sbin/init-ltsp no directory. all files are located in /root/rofs
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15:49 | <alkisg> J____: Try to come when gbaman is here
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15:55 | <championofcyrodi> the network consists of 9 diff switches trunked w/ 10gbps fiber across two buildings. the server is in building A while the clients are in building B. the backbone between the two buildings is also 10Gbps. everything seems to run fine on a fresh boot of a client. apparently after 'awhile' it can have issues. i'll talk to our network monitor guru and see if he is seeing over-saturation of the 1Gbps NIC on the server.
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15:56 | maybe packet loss...
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15:56 | <alkisg> Maybe the cleaning lady just removes a switch to put the vacuumn cleaner... :D
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15:56 | (it happened here, it took them 2 weeks to pinpoint that :D)
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16:03 | <vagrantc> alkisg: did you see that jessie+1 will probably have to drop straight NFS support to use upstream's "overlay" fs?
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16:04 | or get overlay+NFS to work between now and then...
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16:04 | <alkisg> vagrantc: no i didn't, what do you mean "drop nfs"!?!!!
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16:04 | What does nfs have to do with overlays?
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16:06 | <vagrantc> overlayfs in the kernel is incompatible with nfs
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16:07 | though interestingly enough, overlay+squashfsimage+nfs works fine
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16:08 | <alkisg> Ah you don't mean "drop nfs", just that the in-kernel overlay doesn't work over nfs...
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16:08 | So we'll have issues with ltsp...
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16:08 | OK then you may switch debian to nbd too, to align with ubuntu, it was about time to sync those 2 distros :)
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16:09 | <MarconM> Hi
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16:09 | Morning
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16:09 | <alkisg> No more ldm/ltsp differences between them :D
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16:09 | <MarconM> alkisg: Hey \o
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16:09 | <alkisg> Hello
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16:09 | <MarconM> !ping
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16:09 | <ltsp> pong
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16:09 | <vagrantc> ldm is the same for a couple ubuntu releases now
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16:10 | <MarconM> ltsp: trying ltsp-pnp
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16:10 | <alkisg> Yup, I remember :)
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16:10 | (vagrantc)
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16:10 | It would be good to align ltsp too
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16:10 | <vagrantc> alkisg: given all the stability problems i've heard with NBD, i might want to explore other options
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16:10 | <alkisg> vagrantc: xnbd?
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16:11 | <MarconM> alkisg: question .. how do u log on my machine using x11vnc
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16:11 | did*
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16:11 | <alkisg> !vnc-dide
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16:11 | <ltsp> vnc-dide: To share your screen with me, run this: sudo apt-get --yes install x11vnc; x11vnc -connect srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr - this is a reverse connection, it doesn't need port forwarding etc.
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16:11 | <alkisg> ...that way, it's called a reverse vnc connection, google it
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16:12 | <MarconM> ok
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16:12 | <vagrantc> alkisg: we'll have a year or so to figure it out... jessie release is scheduled for end of month
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16:13 | <alkisg> vagrantc: it's possible that overlay will be fixed until then
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16:13 | And you can always pull aufs, can't you?
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16:13 | *depend on aufs...
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16:13 | <vagrantc> alkisg: kernel team dropped aufs now tht overlayfs is mainline
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16:13 | <alkisg> Whoops
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16:14 | <MarconM> alkisg: vagrantc why ltsp-update-image dont have "--arch" flag
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16:14 | its a bug .. version
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16:14 | <alkisg> It uses a chroot
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16:14 | You could have named it however you want
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16:14 | It's a name, not an arch at that point
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16:14 | <vagrantc> ltsp-chroot --arch is a bit misleading ... it should probably be ltsp-chroot --chroot
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16:15 | <MarconM> ltsp-update-image --arch i386
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16:15 | ltsp-build-client --arch i386
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16:15 | <alkisg> ltsp-build-client => what arch?
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16:15 | ltsp-update-image => which chroot?
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16:15 | You can have 10 chroots of the same arch
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16:15 | <MarconM> '-'
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16:15 | really
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16:15 | alkisg: a bit confuse with chroot
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16:17 | <vagrantc> the default chroot name is the arch
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16:17 | so they are often the same
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16:17 | but not always
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16:17 | <alkisg> ltsp-build-client does have a --chroot option if you want to name it
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16:17 | E.g. suppose you need /opt/ltsp/i386 and /opt/ltsp/i386-with-nvidia-drivers
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16:18 | <vagrantc> i've often had multiple releases of the same arch ... /opt/ltsp/i386-wheezy /opt/ltsp/i386-jessie
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16:19 | <MarconM> aaaa ok
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16:20 | ho this work ... exemplo
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16:20 | i want debian whezzu and jessie
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16:20 | <vagrantc> ltsp-build-client --dist wheezy --arch i386 --chroot i386-wheezy
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16:21 | ltsp-build-client --dist jessie --arch i386 --chroot i386-jessie
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16:21 | <MarconM> cool
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16:21 | <vagrantc> if i'm remembering correctly ... been a while
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16:21 | <MarconM> vagrantc: if i want to install just the minimal server
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16:21 | like ... no xorg
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16:21 | and do that just on chroot for jessie
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16:21 | will owork ?
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16:21 | work
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16:23 | <vagrantc> for fat clients, sure. for thin clients, the server needs to have ldm-server installed.
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16:24 | <MarconM> ahh ok
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17:57 | <s_lisei> hi =)
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17:57 | sorry to disturb you all
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17:58 | but i'm a bloody noob with a question
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17:58 | is there someone i can trouble with it? :D
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17:59 | pretty please? :>
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18:01 | <elias_a> ask!
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18:02 | <s_lisei> yes! thanks!
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18:02 | i am trying to access my university's terminal server to use SPSS
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18:02 | and i only installed ubuntu last week
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18:03 | and now when i click the SPSS icon on the terminal server, i only get code
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18:03 | (bloody noob that i am, i'm used for the program to just pop open and work... )
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18:03 | <elias_a> Terminal server = LTSP installation?
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18:03 | <s_lisei> so ... i thought i could install ltsp ... would that help?
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18:04 | no it's a citrix terminal server, which worked all by itself when i still had windows
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18:04 | <elias_a> s_lisei: I think you've got the whole concept of LTSP wrong.
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18:04 | <s_lisei> ouch :D
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18:04 | thanks anyway!
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18:05 | i'll google some more and then cry myself to sleep :D
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18:05 | <vagrantc> citrix isn't supported in ltsp out of the box
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18:05 | but in theory it could be added easily enough
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18:05 | <elias_a> LTSP = a kind of a terminal server :)
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18:06 | <s_lisei> haha cheers! i think you just safed me half an hour, smart internet people!
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18:06 | <vagrantc> we're only as smart as the smartest of us :)
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18:07 | <elias_a> s_lisei: But as you say you've installed linux lately, your problem is "is (or how is) citrix supported on x" (x is your distro)
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18:07 | <ogra_> s_lisei, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CitrixICAClientHowTo perhaps ?
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18:07 | <elias_a> That seems legit. :)
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18:08 | <s_lisei> ogra_: thanks!
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18:09 | thank you guys and gals! you're cool!
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18:09 | do you often have to deal with technically challenged people? ^^
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18:11 | <vagrantc> people of all skill levels ... some we're better to help than others :)
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18:16 | <elias_a> s_lisei: I am techically really challenging.
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18:16 | I break _everything_.
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18:16 | That's why I use open source. Better support, better documentation. :P
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18:17 | And that's why I came back to this channel after a break.
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18:17 | Hi there, dudes!
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18:18 | <s_lisei> :D :D
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18:18 | may i ask one more probably really dumb thing?
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18:29 | <elias_a> Shoot!
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18:29 | <vagrantc> !ask | echo s_lisei
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18:29 | <ltsp> s_lisei ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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18:35 | <s_lisei> sry sry sry
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18:36 | i had troubles with the tutorial ogra_ postet and i wanted to ask something about it, but i just tried it on my mum's laptop and it works, so i'll just use hers ^^
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18:36 | but thanks anyway :D
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18:36 | you're all very accommodating!
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18:43 | not a good server for idle chit chat, hey? ^^
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18:43 | <vagrantc> a little here and there, but mostly stuff sticks to the topic :)
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18:45 | <vagrantc> oh. i didn't know i had that. cool.
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18:45 | thankfully never need to use it.
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18:45 | <s_lisei> that's for kicking and banning users, right?
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18:46 | ChanServ sets mode: -o vagrantc | |
18:46 | <vagrantc> yeah
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18:47 | <s_lisei> :> i'll be good and shut up then
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18:47 | <vagrantc> there are a few other channels where moderation tends to be needed.
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18:47 | oh, you're fine :)
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18:47 | i was just idly wondering if i had the ability to gain op.
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18:50 | <s_lisei> chch
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18:51 | i've been to one of those a few years ago... the op had an extra bot which displayed messages when people got kicked
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18:51 | .. it happened a lot
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19:35 | <drozek123> Can anyone tell me how to disable a video output from showing up under xrandr?
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19:35 | <s_lisei> k, thanks again ... bye =)
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19:36 | <drozek123> I want to completely disable that video output
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20:09 | <Hyperbyte> Let me guess... LVDS
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