IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 20 July 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:23 | <ari_stress> hello
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| 02:24 | is there any reference/example for dhcpd.conf and lts.conf?
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| 04:23 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: I have figured out a way to generate 3 images in the update script
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| 04:24 | pxe, nbi and elf. nbi uses the old nbi tool for deprecated etherboot implementations, elf uses this new tool, while pxe uses the existing method
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| 04:24 | <ogra> well nbi defaults to mkelf anyway
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| 04:24 | <Q-FUNK> which, as you might recall, failed for the dbe60
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| 04:25 | <ogra> we didnt use mknbi since several releases how do we make sure that doesnt clash ?
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| 04:25 | but works on all others :)
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| 04:25 | <Q-FUNK> what was the instruction of making images for older etherboot using nbi, then?
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| 04:26 | <ogra> a proper thing would be to replace mknbi ... but then we need the guarantee that this other tools works with all other implementations
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| 04:26 | mkelf-linux ....
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| 04:26 | <Q-FUNK> not really
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| 04:26 | <ogra> for main inclusion we do
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| 04:26 | thats the way ubuntu works
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| 04:26 | <Q-FUNK> if we have pxe, nbi (mknbi) and mkelfImage, we have 3 targets. that's what i have now.
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| 04:27 | <ogra> one tool for the task ... the one that matches the majority
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| 04:27 | well, mkelfimage does the same mkelf-linux does but omits the BIOS calls as i understand it
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| 04:27 | <Q-FUNK> the only tricky part is configuring the dhcp server to sort out which image to send, between nbi and elf
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| 04:28 | <ogra> (sorry, still 1600 mails to go, i didnt read them yesterday due to CD testing duties)
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| 04:28 | <Q-FUNK> oh :|
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| 04:28 | well, you'll get there :)
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| 04:28 | <ogra> yeah
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| 04:29 | <Q-FUNK> but I still think that getting -amd and this new tool into main would be desirable
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| 04:29 | * ogra waits for the spam filter to finish ... should cut that in half :) ) | |
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| 04:29 | <Q-FUNK> LOL
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| 04:29 | <ogra> -amd will be in main for the release
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| 04:29 | <Q-FUNK> great! :)
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| 04:30 | <ogra> the tool is a question of code qualit, convincing the TB about the need for duplication in main etc ...
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| 04:30 | oh, and indeed it will get a full security review
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| 04:31 | <Q-FUNK> that's just it, there's no duplication. mkelf produces a tagged elf image which relies upon bios calls, while mkelfimage produces an elf image that doesn't use any bios call.
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| 04:31 | code quality is ok, but their makefile is needlessly complicated and buggy. i have to do a lot of silly things to get this thing to build cleanly every time.
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| 04:34 | <ogra> hmm, k
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| 04:34 | we could advetise it as full linuxbios compatibility :)
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| 04:34 | <Q-FUNK> :D
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| 04:34 | <ogra> marketing would like that :)
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| 04:35 | <Q-FUNK> here, I'm gonna flash eproms for a couple of old ISA cards, using a purposely cripled ethrboot.org without pxe emulation (only bootp and tftp support), on monday.
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| 04:36 | this should give us a good idea of whether mkelfImage can safely replace mkelf-linux or not on traditional hardware.
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| 04:38 | dbe60 already fails if i use this, but thankfully we can build an up-to-date image that works the exact same way as the one on the dbe61, so it's no big deal
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| 04:39 | the strange thing is that mkelf-linux should work as it is on the deb60. we used that succesfully before.
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| 04:39 | <ari_stress> hello, is it possible to install additional packages into ltsp5? i'm on feisty
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| 04:39 | <Q-FUNK> ari_stress: the chroot or what people see on the desktop?
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| 04:40 | <ari_stress> Q-FUNK: yes, i've chrooted to /opt/lts/i386
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| 04:40 | i'm trying to install xfce on it
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| 04:40 | <Q-FUNK> xfce is outside the chroot
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| 04:41 | <ari_stress> oh? you mean i should install it on the host ubuntu instead? not the chroot/client env?
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| 04:41 | <Q-FUNK> exit the chroot and install the xubuntu metapackge
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| 04:41 | on the server host, yes
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| 04:42 | the chroot is only used to bootstrap the thin client
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| 04:42 | <ari_stress> ok, thanks Q-FUNK :D.
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| 04:42 | you make it clear :D
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| 04:43 | <Q-FUNK> the chroot basically provides just enough of a basic ubuntu system to start the thin client and configure X, then the login manager connects to the server
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| 04:43 | so, any application you wanna see on the desktop, you install _outside_ the chroot.
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| 04:44 | <ari_stress> cool
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| 04:44 | anyway., ltsp 5 seems very different than 4. it seems to be very simple.
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| 04:44 | <Q-FUNK> yes indeed
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| 04:45 | <ari_stress> it even doesnt include examples in the lts.conf anymore?
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| 04:45 | where can i get reference for any parameter in lts.conf?
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| 04:45 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: that reminds me, would it be possible to include ntpdate in the default chroot and to start the network earleir, to avoid all those "timestamp of foo is in the future" messages?
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| 04:46 | ari_stress: if you really need to configure anything there, there's some ubuntu tutorials which show the options. however, since ltsp5, almost everything is done automatically, including guessing the monitor's resolution and graphic card capabilities.
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| 04:48 | <ari_stress> Q-FUNK: you mean we dont need to put anything else in lts.conf anymore? or does lts.conf from v4 still apply in v5?
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| 04:49 | <Q-FUNK> about older v4 config applying in v5, that, i wouldn't know
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| 04:50 | <ari_stress> so, let's say i plug an usb printer in the client. it will magically detected by ltsp?
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| 04:53 | <Q-FUNK> usb sticks are, but I never tried with a printer
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| 04:54 | <ogra> Q-FUNK, i dont want an additional port open on te server ...
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| 04:54 | Q-FUNK, the plan was to recieve a timestamp with the locale and session list in ldm
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| 04:54 | and set the clock from there
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| 04:56 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: some thin client hardware doesn't have any RTC battery. we could compensate by setting the clock early with ntpdate.
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| 04:57 | <ogra> Q-FUNK, yes, but have another open port to take care of
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| 04:57 | ntpdate was an should stay optional
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| 04:58 | its trivial to install if you want it
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| 04:58 | <Q-FUNK> installing it is trivial, but it barely helps because the network starts so late in the boot process
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| 04:59 | I agree to keeping it optional, but network start would still need to be earlier than it is in the boot process.
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| 05:16 | <ogra> the networks starts from initramfs
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| 05:16 | and doesnt change after that
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| 05:19 | * ogra wonders if thats understandable for usual LTSP users https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWithoutNFS | |
| 05:31 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: ok. not the case here on etch. it starts much later.
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| 05:31 | and ntpdate is run from if-up.d
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| 05:34 | <ogra> right
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| 05:34 | but if yu have an nbdroot it *cant* start later
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| 05:34 | dont judge by the network initscripts ;)
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| 05:35 | you would use / if they had any effect n the interface
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| 05:35 | <ari_stress> hm.. what is the max amount of ram supported by feisty? to be exact, how many ram is needed to support 80 LTSP clients that open openoffice?
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| 05:36 | <ogra> ari_stress, tons :)
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| 05:37 | nah, i'm lying
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| 05:37 | if all just use the same program there is a lot ram shared
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| 05:37 | <ari_stress> ogra: is there any formula to plan for the ram? will 40gb enough?
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| 05:37 | <ogra> especially for ooo
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| 05:37 | it really depends on the other stuff you run ;)
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| 05:38 | a ubuntu gnome desktop where you want to use ooo eats usually 128M per user
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| 05:38 | 256 are needed to run te server itself
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| 05:40 | <ari_stress> 128M x 80 = 10,240M, nice :)
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| 05:40 | <ogra> given that a lot will be shared (even a lot of the desktop apps will do that) you could even get through eith less
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| 05:40 | *with
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| 05:40 | but make sure to run a -server kernel flavour on the server
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| 05:40 | the -generic one wont address more than 4 i think
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| 05:41 | (4Gig that is)
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| 05:42 | <ari_stress> ogra: how to use another kernel in ltsp? is it installed in the host or the chroot?
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| 05:42 | <ogra> you only need it on the server
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| 05:42 | <ari_stress> ok
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| 05:42 | <ogra> the client kernel should always be -386 since many clients only speak 568 instruction sets ...
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| 05:43 | (-386 is compiled for 486 and above, -generic for 585 and above)
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| 05:43 | errg
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| 05:43 | <ari_stress> when this project is done, i'll write a success story on ltsp.org
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| 05:43 | :)
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| 05:43 | <ogra> -generic for 686 and above indeed
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| 05:43 | ari_stress, cool 1
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| 05:43 | !
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| 05:44 | i played a bit with the -lowlatency flavore for thin clients, but that didnt have any big speedup effect ...
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| 05:44 | <ari_stress> ogra: you are one of the ltsp developers, right?
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| 05:45 | <ogra> after gutsy released ad we have the ubuntu mobile flavour out i'll have a look at their kernel, that might actualy speed up :)
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| 05:45 | yep
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| 05:45 | vagrantc, sbalneav and me are usually doing the main work ... and there is a bunch of occasional patch committers in here :)
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| 05:46 | <ari_stress> cool
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| 05:47 | i always admire developers
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| 05:47 | i wish i could do some code
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| 05:47 | <ogra> and not to forget about jammcq, he's our lead and brain :)
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| 05:47 | well, if you find things you want to fix (even if its a one liner) let us know about ;) it might be the solution to a longstanding prob we never saw, who knows
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| 05:48 | every small bit counts ;)
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| 05:50 | <ari_stress> ok :)
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| 05:50 | <ogra> btw, would you understand the link i pasted above ?
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| 05:50 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWithoutNFS
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| 05:50 | since you are not a coder you might match the audience i wrote it for :)
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| 05:51 | (well, its rather for teachers that do admin work and have at least a slight understanding, but i'm tired to answer the questions over and over ;) )
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| 05:53 | i want it to be a foolproof explanation, but i think i'm to much into it to even explain it properly for non tech people
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| 05:53 | <cliebow> ogra:nice job with that page..
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| 05:54 | <ogra> thanks :)
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| 05:54 | feel free to change it where you find errors/misexplanations
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| 05:54 | <ari_stress> i'm looking at it,. sorry many interuptions here :D
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| 05:55 | <cliebow> ogra:you were saying next door you have a smoothwall deb??
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| 05:55 | <ogra> cliebow, on the server-addon CD, yes
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| 05:55 | <cliebow> that is smoothie 2 or 4?
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| 05:55 | whoops 3
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| 05:55 | <ogra> i'll need to set that up once to write a proper howto :)
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| 05:56 | <ari_stress> ogra: the link is cool. i can understand it. but maybe because i;m a sysadmin?
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| 05:56 | <ogra> ari_stress, thats enogh for a start :)
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| 05:56 | argh
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| 05:56 | cliebow, its indeed not called smootwall
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| 05:57 | its shorewall
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| 05:57 | :)
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| 05:57 | <cliebow> ok..now i understand
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| 05:57 | <ogra> mark loves it :)
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| 05:57 | thats why we have it in main
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| 05:59 | <cliebow> "In the past we used a read-only nfs mount to /opt/ltsp/i386 as a client's root file system.We now create a squashfs image of that filesystem."
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| 06:00 | does that explain to those who have used early ltsp?
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| 06:00 | <ogra> i hope so
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| 06:01 | i hope debian will follow (its still possible to use nfs, thats why we also still have the chroot in /opt/ltsp)
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| 06:01 | so its up to them to either switch over or keep the old setup
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| 06:01 | its a two line change to revert
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| 06:01 | <cliebow> yep..
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| 06:02 | <ogra> Q-FUNK, got to the mail thread (finally)
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| 06:02 | "then there could be a new define: LINUXBIOS=yes"
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| 06:02 | thats what i thought
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| 06:02 | we should merge it into mkelf-linux
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| 06:02 | <Q-FUNK> mkelf-linux simply won't work.
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| 06:03 | there's nothing to merge.
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| 06:03 | the linuxbios dev already established that a separate new tool was needed
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| 06:04 | ideally, mknbi's mkelf-linux would have incorporated the new code and allowed --options to disable bios calls for linuxbios.
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| 06:04 | in practice, this didn't happen
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| 06:09 | about mkelf-linux, it produces images that the deb60 doesn't like, on Etch.
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| 06:10 | ah, define for which of the two tools to use. yes. in lts.conf ?
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| 06:18 | <ogra> lts.conf doesnt affect the image building
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| 06:18 | <Q-FUNK> where would we configure this then?
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| 06:19 | <ogra> /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf would be the place for the update tool ...
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| 06:19 | but i want it automated
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| 06:19 | no fiddling in config files for users
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| 06:20 | so for the switch that should rather be an option to ltsp-build-client
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| 06:20 | not a variable in a file
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| 06:20 | <Q-FUNK> that sounds good
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| 06:21 | <ogra> nyway i'D like to hear indrek about the opportunity to merge the tools
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| 06:21 | (i just sent a mail)
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| 06:23 | <Q-FUNK> merging the tools would imply becoming upstream for both mknbi and mkelfImage
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| 06:23 | then merging them
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| 06:24 | this needs feedback from the community at large at linuxbios and etherboot.org
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| 06:24 | if they have no problem with merging this, great.
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| 06:38 | <ogra> we dont need to become upstream for both if its possible to just patch mknbi ;) we need to become upstream for that patch though
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| 06:47 | <Q-FUNK> :)
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| 06:47 | <Q-FUNK> that still doesn't explain why mkelf-linux produces output that my dbe60 doesn't like, thoguh
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| 07:16 | <ogra> Q-FUNK, well, the gutsy version works ... might as well be a kernel thing
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| 07:18 | <Q-FUNK> kernel loads, but somethign goes wrong with the initrd
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| 07:18 | however, with mknbi-linux, both load as exepcted
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| 07:23 | <jammcq> g'morning all
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| 07:26 | <ogra> hey jammcq
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| 07:26 | good suggestion for the lts.conf ... i'll do it that wax
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| 07:26 | *way
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| 07:27 | <jammcq> I shoulda done that years ago, so I could change the name from lts.conf to ltsp.conf
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| 07:27 | <ogra> yeah
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| 07:27 | should we do that alongside ?
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| 07:28 | <jammcq> umm, well. we could keep kicking ourselves, saying we "shoulda" done it :)
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| 07:28 | <cliebow> where will lts.conf reside ?
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| 07:28 | in tftproot?
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| 07:28 | <jammcq> ltsp == linux terminal server project. lts = long term support
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| 07:29 | <ogra> cliebow, yes, as described on the wikipage i posted before
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| 07:29 | <cliebow> good..my test server calved on Wednesday..so im just reinstalling at school..
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| 07:30 | <jammcq> ogra: when do you start your west-ward journey ?
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| 07:30 | <ogra> flight goes out tomorror around 11 CEST
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| 07:30 | 4h hanging around in philadephia
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| 07:30 | <jammcq> oh, that's not too bad
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| 07:31 | <ogra> still a lto
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| 07:31 | lot
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| 07:31 | <cliebow> 8~)
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| 07:31 | <jammcq> my flight is 9;15 sunday morning. but it's easy. a direct flight
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| 07:31 | <ogra> my tooth isnt fixed 100% yet ... i hope it wont hurt while having pressure changes during flying
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| 07:32 | the return flight from london was hell
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| 07:32 | <jammcq> did you break a tooth ?
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| 07:32 | bar room brawl or something?
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| 07:33 | get hit over the head with a pool que ?
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| 07:33 | <cliebow> guess i'll look for y'all later on..boatung day
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| 07:33 | <jammcq> cliebow: have fun
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| 07:33 | <cliebow> thick a fog just now..but clearing..you going to the west coast?
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| 07:34 | <ogra> jammcq, no, i just had a bad tooth for some time ... it started to loosen just before london and i got a thivk throat and hurting jaw
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| 07:35 | *thick
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| 07:35 | <jammcq> oooh
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| 07:35 | now yer grossing me out
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| 07:35 | <ogra> it was pretty hard to eve use the expess lift in millbank tower :)
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| 07:35 | * jammcq wipes that image from his mind | |
| 07:35 | <ogra> and that for *every* smoke ...
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| 07:35 | <cliebow> yecch..
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| 07:36 | i lugged one around all day yesterday and never lit it..17 days now
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| 07:36 | <ogra> cool
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| 07:36 | <jammcq> cliebow: you quit !!!!!! ?
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| 07:36 | <cliebow> i'd like to think so.
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| 07:37 | <jammcq> wow, good job
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| 07:37 | <cliebow> woke up one morning//
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| 07:37 | <ogra> yeah, keep that :)
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| 07:37 | <jammcq> cliebow: I should have you talk to my buddy ogra.
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| 07:37 | <jammcq> ogra: btw, the Gnome party has moved to sunday
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| 07:37 | <cliebow> jammq:imagine n o churaascaria again...ever...
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| 07:38 | <jammcq> cliebow: i'd kill myself
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| 07:38 | <ogra> jammcq, its a matter of attitude ...
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| 07:38 | <cliebow> then you say to yourself..well maybe one little bite
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| 07:38 | <ogra> you have to really want to qit to survive
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| 07:38 | i dont want to (yet)
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| 07:38 | <cliebow> or have a determined wife
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| 07:38 | <jammcq> heh
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| 07:39 | <cliebow> im getting pretty good at it..done it many times
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| 07:39 | 8~(
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| 07:39 | 8~)
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| 07:39 | <ogra> heh
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| 07:40 | <joebake1> Sorry to hear about your tooth Ogra. There's a product called orajel that helps num the pain.
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| 07:40 | <ogra> well, i'm over the worst stuff
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| 07:40 | <ogra> but seems i carry an infection in my body since quite some time already, so i still have to take antibiotics for a week
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| 07:42 | <jammcq> ogra: don't tell immigration that you are carrying an infection
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| 07:42 | <ogra> indeed i wont
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| 07:43 | thats like answering that silly question "do you plan to join any illegal activities in the US"
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| 07:43 | <jammcq> heheh, it says that?
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| 07:43 | <ogra> (yes, something like that is asked on the visa wavers)
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| 07:43 | <jammcq> heh, say this: ummm, "Plan"...... no, but I am open to new ideas
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| 07:43 | <ogra> i'm not sure anymore if it was "illegal" or terroristic"
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| 07:44 | but it was worth a laugh :)
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| 07:44 | * jammcq wonders how many people say YES | |
| 07:44 | <ogra> and i suspect they might even catch 1% through it :)
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| 07:45 | <jammcq> so, when the guy sitting next to you on the plane isn't looking, grab his card and mark 'Y' for that answer
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| 07:50 | <ogra> lol
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| 08:42 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:42 | <jammcq> SCOTTY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:42 | <sbalneav> Hey jammcq!
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| 08:46 | <gvy> ouch
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| 08:46 | * gvy hails grands | |
| 08:49 | <ogra> !s
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| 08:49 | <ltspbot> ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:49 | <sbalneav> Morning ogra!!
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| 08:50 | <gvy> Olivier!!!!!
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| 08:50 | <ogra> gvy, i'm nott french :) (one i to much)
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| 08:50 | <gvy> ogra, sorry, noticed my fault only post mortem :)
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| 08:50 | <ogra> heh :)
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| 08:51 | <sbalneav> If one wanted to make a TTY joke, one could say you discovered your error -OPOST
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| 08:51 | <ogra> heh
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| 08:51 | <gvy> :-)
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| 08:51 | <jammcq> bwahahahahahahahahahaha
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| 08:52 | <gvy> -E2LATE
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| 08:52 | <jammcq> -ENOTFUNNY
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| 08:54 | <ogra> -ETHUNDERSTORMS outside ...
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| 08:54 | woah our gutter doesnt manage anymore ....
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| 08:54 | * ogra looks throught a waterfall in front of his office window | |
| 08:56 | <sbalneav> Blocked, maybe?
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| 08:57 | <ogra> yes, that too :)
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| 08:57 | <jammcq> -OFILL
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| 08:57 | <sbalneav> I have to clean out one of mine 2 times a year, my oak tree keeps dropping acorns in it :)
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| 08:57 | <ogra> the janitor is sitting to much in his laptop :)
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| 08:57 | we have a 15m high walnut tree ....
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| 08:58 | that drops a lot of stuff in there
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| 08:58 | sadly trees over 10m are protected in germany ...
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| 08:58 | costs a lot of nerves and time to get allowance to chop it
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| 08:59 | so we keep it, even though it drops a shadow on our solar heating ...
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| 09:01 | * ogra needs to go downstairs again ... susie just brought back the emasculated guineapigs from the vet ... bbl | |
| 09:01 | * gvy almost read "maintainers over 20 are protected in germany" | |
| 09:01 | <ogra> now that'd be cool !
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| 09:01 | * ogra ponders a petition :) | |
| 09:02 | <ogra> but first i have to take care for the two poor souls ...
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| 09:37 | <joebaker> Is there a way to broadcast a message to all the thin client displays from the root
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| 09:37 | account on the server?
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| 09:38 | NX has this neat command nxserver --broadcast "Everybody pretend you're on Windows"
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| 09:46 | <sbalneav> joebaker: yeah, I beleive that TCM will do that for you
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| 09:48 | <Blinny> I'd love to use that. What is TCM?
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| 09:49 | <sbalneav> Thin Client Manager
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| 09:49 | <Blinny> Is this an ubuntu-specific thing?
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| 09:51 | <sbalneav> I think so, but it's fairly easy to do outside of a tool
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| 09:51 | All you need to do is find out the DISPLAY of the client
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| 09:52 | set the XAUTHORITY environment variable to point to the users xauth file (you'd do this as root)
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| 09:52 | then you could just use something like zenity or whatever little gui box to pop up on the client's display
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| 09:53 | <gvy> err... gxmessage?
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| 09:53 | <sbalneav> just march through all the logged in users.
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| 09:54 | gxmessage, xmessage, Xdialog, zenity, etc.
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| 09:54 | there's a tonne of them.
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| 09:55 | Probably be a 10 line shell script. I beleive someone posted one on the mailing list a few years ago.
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| 10:01 | joebaker, Blinny: does everyone on your servers use the same window manager?
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| 10:02 | <jammcq> for it to work, you MUST disable X access control
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| 10:02 | <Blinny> sbalneav: Yes.
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| 10:02 | <jammcq> which opens a security whole
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| 10:02 | <sbalneav> What, you mean xhost +?
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| 10:02 | <Blinny> Well, I haven't rolled it out officially yet. Still trying to keep clients from crashing randomly.
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| 10:03 | <jammcq> no, you'd have to set it in lts.conf
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| 10:03 | or get each user to do 'xhost +'
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| 10:03 | but it's easier in lts.conf
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| 10:04 | <sbalneav> Even if you set the XAUTHORITY?
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| 10:04 | hmmm, let me check...
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| 10:04 | <jammcq> you want some NON-YOU user to be able to display a message on YOUR screen?
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| 10:04 | you better give them access
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| 10:05 | this conversation ALWAYS starts with "eh, should be a 10 line script"
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| 10:05 | <Blinny> heh
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| 10:06 | Eventually, everything will be a 10-line script.
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| 10:06 | <monteslu> hey guys, there's a CLI utility to check if an ethernet cable is plugged in, does anyone remember the name of it?
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| 10:06 | <jammcq> ethtool
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| 10:06 | and/or mii-tool
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| 10:06 | <monteslu> ahhh, mii-tool
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| 10:06 | that's the one, thanks
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| 10:06 | <jammcq> i've heard that ethtool is better, but i've had mixed results with both
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| 10:07 | seems on the same machine, they can both report different things
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| 10:07 | <monteslu> mii has worked for me in the past, but I can never remeber the name of it
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| 10:08 | I'm doing a 4 NIC firewall on a vmserver with 4 NICs :)
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| 10:08 | gets confusing
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| 10:08 | LAN + WAN+ DMZ + wireless
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| 10:09 | <sbalneav> Well, I don't have anything special set up in lts.conf,. and I just popped up a clock on one of my users with XAUTHORITY=~user/.Xauthority DISPLAY=192.168.0.20:6.0 xclock.
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| 10:09 | <gvy> jammcq, ethtool isn't "better"
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| 10:09 | there are three ioctls for querying interface status
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| 10:09 | <sbalneav> As root, btw
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| 10:09 | <gvy> and different drivers do different job at [some of] them
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| 10:10 | so it's better or worse on a case by case basis...
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| 10:10 | there's ifplugstatus btw
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| 10:10 | and there was some explanation there
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| 10:10 | <jammcq> gvy: cool, thanks for clearing that up
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| 10:28 | <Blinny> sbalneav: Is there a graphical 'wall' tool that could be used instead of xclock?
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| 10:28 | <ari_stress> is it possible to setup dhcpd.conf with dns dynamic update in ltsp configuration, because when i set it up for dynamic update, the client failed to TFTP
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| 10:34 | <sbalneav> Blinny: xclock was just an example. Which ltsp are you using?
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| 10:34 | <Blinny> k12v6
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| 10:35 | yeah I know xclock is just an example, but if I could substitude gnome-wall "We're going down!" in for 'xclock' then it really is a 2-line script
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| 10:35 | (if there is such a thing as gnome-wall)
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| 10:35 | <sbalneav> Well, there's no such thing, that's what we're talking about.
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| 10:36 | ok, so, got a user handy for testing?
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| 10:36 | <Blinny> Does my own box count?
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| 10:36 | <sbalneav> No
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| 10:36 | We want a terminal logged in as another user
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| 10:36 | <Blinny> Uhh yeah one moment.
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| 10:36 | * gvy dives in a box with test users and picks one | |
| 10:37 | <Blinny> Okay ready.
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| 10:37 | <sbalneav> so, what's the window manager? Gnome?
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| 10:38 | <Blinny> Yup
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| 10:38 | <sbalneav> Got a root shell there?
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| 10:38 | <Blinny> IP is 192.168.1.15
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| 10:38 | Sure
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| 10:38 | <sbalneav> ok lets try this
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| 10:39 | pgrep -u testuser metacity
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| 10:39 | Should get a process id back
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| 10:39 | <Blinny> 2111
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| 10:40 | <sbalneav> ok, so lets try this: cat /proc/2111/environ | tr '\0' '\n' | grep DISPLAY
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| 10:41 | <Blinny> DISPLAY=testuser:0.0
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| 10:41 | <sbalneav> testuser's a hostname for the box?
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| 10:41 | <Blinny> No, I substituted b/c hostname/username is the same in this instance
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| 10:42 | DISPLAY=textbox:0.0
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| 10:42 | (:
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| 10:42 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 10:42 | cat /proc/2111/environ | tr '\0' '\n' | grep XAUTH
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| 10:43 | <Blinny> XAUTHORITY=/tmp/.gdmB3X3VT
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| 10:43 | <sbalneav> Odd place to put it. Usually it's $HOME/.Xauthority
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| 10:43 | ok, well lets run with it, see what we get.
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| 10:44 | <Blinny> There is one of those too.
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| 10:44 | (for this user)
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| 10:44 | <sbalneav> So, lets run (as root):
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| 10:44 | DISPLAY=textbox:0.0 XAUTHORITY=/tmp/.gdmB3X3VT zenity --info --text "Oooga Booga"
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| 10:45 | <Blinny> Do I run this on the test box, or from another sending box where I have a root console
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| 10:45 | <sbalneav> From the root console
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| 10:45 | <Blinny> Ooga booga popped up
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| 10:45 | <sbalneav> perfect.
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| 10:45 | <Blinny> Noice.
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| 10:46 | So then I just wrap that in a foreach of last |grep still and a buncha greps in /proc and bob's yer uncle
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| 10:46 | <sbalneav> Alright, gimme 5 minutes or so, I'll bang together something quick, and you can take it frrom there.
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| 10:46 | <Blinny> Oh, okay. Rock on.
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| 10:47 | <Q-FUNK> this would be a nice fewture to get packaged by standard
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| 10:48 | in gnome generally speaking, but even more so on LTSP, where a reboot could kill a number of user's work.
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| 10:51 | I've always wondered if "reboot" cold be patched to have an /etc/reboot.d/ and execute whatever it finds there, such as the above script idea
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| 10:52 | <Blinny> reboot is just a symbolic link to halt. Change the symbolic link to run a shell.
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| 10:52 | :s;ll.;script.
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| 10:52 | <ltsppbot> "sbalneav" pasted "notify all" (8 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/222
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| 10:53 | <sbalneav> ./scriptname "ooga booga" would be the invocation
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| 10:53 | it's very rough, you can clean it up a bit.
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| 10:53 | Q-FUNK: We have the feature in TCM
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| 10:53 | This is just a quick standalone hack.
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| 10:54 | As for the reboot.d, that's already been done.
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| 10:54 | <Q-FUNK> tcm?
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| 10:54 | <sbalneav> Scroll up, I already explained it.
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| 10:54 | <Blinny> sbalneav: line 5: testbox:0.0: command not found
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| 10:54 | sbalneav: line 5 b/c I put it in a script and first line is #!/bin/bash
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| 10:55 | <sbalneav> Whoops
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| 10:55 | <Blinny> sbalneav: Thanks - I'll fiddle with it.
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| 10:55 | I appreciate you taking the time man
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| 10:55 | <sbalneav> take out the line that says $DISPLAY $XAUTH
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| 10:56 | <Q-FUNK> sbalneav: found. is this being merged into debian as well?
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| 10:56 | <sbalneav> Q-FUNK: Any scripts in /etc/rcx.d that start with a K are run on shutdown.
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| 10:56 | Q-FUNK: Dunno.
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| 10:57 | <Q-FUNK> sbalneav: those are run during shutdown. I'm taling about a directory of tasks to execute before launching the shutdown.
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| 10:57 | <Blinny> Won't taking out that line not set the display though?
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| 10:58 | <Blinny> (meaning it won't iterate through logged-in users)
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| 10:58 | <Q-FUNK> right now, "reboot" already sends a wall to users logged on any console. we'd need that wall to also go to desktop users via their notification area, using zenity and the equivalent kde tool.
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| 10:59 | <ltsppbot> "sbalneav" pasted "fixed" (7 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/223
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| 11:00 | <Q-FUNK> alternately, gnome and kde would need a standard way of catching wall messages and displaying them.
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| 11:00 | <sbalneav> Q-FUNK: Just number it so that it's the first thing run on shutdown, and do a "sleep (whatever)" after to halt the shutdown process for a bit
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| 11:00 | <Blinny> sbalneav: Yeah, the only computer getting the popup is the testbox. Another box got it once, but the terminal I'm logged in at hasn't yet, even if I run the script from testbox.
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| 11:00 | <sbalneav> There's command line tools to put things in the notification error.
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| 11:01 | They have to click on the ok, before the next one will run.
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| 11:01 | heh
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| 11:01 | put a & after the zenity
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| 11:01 | to background it.
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| 11:01 | Like I say, I just banged it off.
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| 11:02 | <whiprush> notify-send
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| 11:02 | is what you want
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| 11:02 | <sbalneav> there you go
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| 11:03 | <Blinny> Okay I'll fiddle. Thanks sbalneav
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| 11:03 | (and was the 'notify-send' part for me or Q-FUNK?)
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| 11:04 | <whiprush> it was for Q-FUNK
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| 11:04 | <Blinny> k thanks
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| 11:04 | <whiprush> but is generally useful for thin clients
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| 11:07 | <Q-FUNK> whiprush: is that that package name?
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| 11:07 | <whiprush> that's the binary
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| 11:09 | <joebaker> sbalneav: Thanks! The Zenity looks like it will serve my purposes. As an admin
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| 11:09 | I like to have a way to announce needed actions to users
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| 11:10 | without having to use the PA .
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| 11:10 | <Q-FUNK> whiprush: hm. not installed on this system. provided by which package?
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| 11:10 | <whiprush> libnotify-bin
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| 11:10 | apt-file tells you what binary belongs to a package btw
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| 12:16 | <zodman> hi there
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| 12:17 | <nsweet> hi... does anyone know how i can disable DPMS on the thin clients?
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| 12:19 | <zodman> why use IGEL on thinclient's with 32mb of ram ?
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| 12:23 | XSERVER = nsc
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| 12:23 | whats it ?
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| 12:29 | <ltsppbot> "joebaker" pasted "announce.sh (Broadcast Script to X Clients) Error Messages." (24 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/224
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| 12:31 | <joebaker> sbalneav: I tried that script you typed out. Thanks! It worked for
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| 12:31 | my client but not the others. fyi
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| 12:56 | <Blinny> joebaker: You picked better text. I got a call from the one other user that I forgot was using a thin client saying 'My computer just tried to scare me. It said "Oooga boooga"'
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| 12:56 | <sbalneav> joebaker: Which ltsp are you running?
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| 13:17 | <joebaker> Blinny: That's Funny!
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| 13:18 | sbalneav: I'm running Ubuntu Feisty's LTSP 5. Note: I've rigged it to use XDMCP instead of LDM.
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| 13:18 | GDM is on the server but I'm thinking of switching to KDM so we can get autologin to work once again.
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| 13:19 | <Gadi> joebaker: you can have autologin and XDMCP performance through ldm,if you use my ldm patch
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| 13:19 | then, you would get localdev and sound, as well
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| 13:27 | <sbalneav> joebaker: grab the userid and set the XAUTHORITY to be $HOME/.Xauthority
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| 13:28 | If it's unset, by default it's $HOME/.Xauthority
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| 13:28 | so gdm might not be setting up the env variable.
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| 13:40 | <joebaker> Gadi: I'm interested in your patch for LDM. Actually, I'm interested in testing lots of
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| 13:40 | ltsp features.
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| 13:41 | <Gadi> http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~gideon/ltsp/gadi-ldm-mods-ltsp/download/gadi%40ltsp.org-20070521205254-ek710bofdpdtlwlz/x_Matt_Zimmerman_%3Cmatt.zimmerman%40canonical.com%3E_Tue_Jun__7_19%3A59%3A49_2005_32192.0/ldm
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| 13:41 | <joebaker> Oh, yes, XAUTHORITY is unset. I was looking for it using env
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| 13:41 | <sbalneav> joebaker: How's your script-fu?
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| 13:41 | <Gadi> there's an email on the listserv with more info
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| 13:41 | <sbalneav> Need me to code up a line for you, or can you get it?
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| 13:41 | <joebaker> sbalneav. I can set that varriable.
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| 13:41 | No problem. thanks sbalneav
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| 13:43 | <Gadi> hey, anybody off-hand know where I can find out if the running kernel has squashfs support built in?
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| 13:43 | I dont think it appears in /proc/filesystems
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| 13:50 | <joebaker> gadi: I forgot .Xauthority contains binary content. Can I do something like
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| 13:50 | XAUTHORITY=`cat /home/${username}/.Xauthority `
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| 13:50 | Do I need to use setenv at the beginning of the last line?
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| 13:50 | <Gadi> no no
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| 13:50 | XAUTHORITY is just the location of the .Xauthority file
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| 13:51 | XAUTHORITY=$HOME/.Xauthority
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| 13:51 | for example
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| 13:52 | vagrantc: do you know how to ask the running kernel if it speaks "squashfs"?
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| 13:53 | <shale_> Gadi... we got a working rdesktop script with ltsp5/feisty
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| 13:53 | <joebaker> OK, I get it. thanks.
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| 13:53 | <Gadi> shale_: nice
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| 13:53 | <vagrantc> Gadi: grep squashfs /proc/filesystems
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| 13:53 | <Gadi> vagrantc: thats what I thought, too
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| 13:53 | <vagrantc> ought to work
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| 13:54 | <sbalneav> shale_: paste it to the pastebot
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| 13:54 | <shale_> sound works too... i'd be appreciative if you'd take a look at tell me if it looks good: http://akgeeks.net/ltsp-w2k3
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| 13:54 | i gave you two credit for helping us, btw
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| 13:55 | <sbalneav> That works?
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| 13:55 | <shale_> yup
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| 13:55 | sound too
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| 13:55 | <Gadi> vagrantc: I cannot believe that the latest ubuntu gutsy kernel dropped squashfs support
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| 13:55 | <shale_> we got usb drives to mount, but working on a script to unmount them
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| 13:55 | <Gadi> unless its a goof
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| 13:55 | or maybe a kernel mod
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| 13:55 | hmm...
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| 13:55 | <sbalneav> Gadi: You gonna add it to your tree?
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| 13:56 | <Gadi> ah... i think its a mod now
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| 13:56 | geez
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| 13:56 | <sbalneav> shale_: I'm assuming your mod to rdesktop are GPL'ed?
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| 13:56 | <shale_> sbalneav: please explain
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| 13:57 | <sbalneav> i.e. you've released your updated script under the GPL license?
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| 13:57 | <shale_> nothing so official
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| 13:58 | it's just "out there"
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| 13:58 | should i put a GPL disclaimer on it?
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| 13:58 | <sbalneav> heh, ARE you willing to release it under a GPL license so we can re-include it in ltsp5?
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| 13:58 | <shale_> of course, it's mostly based off the previous script from 4.2 anyway
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| 13:58 | how do i go about GPL'ing it?
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| 13:58 | <vagrantc> Gadi: you sure there isn't just a squashfs-modules package ?
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| 13:59 | <Gadi> no - its just a module
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| 13:59 | I need to add it to my initramfs mods to have it in there
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| 13:59 | all better
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| 13:59 | <sbalneav> OK, well, if you basically allow us to re-include it in LTSP5, it becomes gpl. Why not add some comments to the script with your names on it so you get attribution?
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| 13:59 | something like;
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| 14:00 | # mods to Gadi's rdesktop script by:
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| 14:00 | # shale, etc etc etc
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| 14:00 | <shale_> ok will do
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| 14:00 | <sbalneav> Might as well get credit.
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| 14:00 | <Gadi> was it a mod to something I did?
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| 14:00 | <whiprush> # Inspired by Scotty
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| 14:00 | <Gadi> dont give credit when its not dur
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| 14:00 | <sbalneav> Gadi: You did the original rdesktop script, right?
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| 14:00 | <Gadi> er, due
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| 14:00 | hmm...
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| 14:01 | <sbalneav> I think you did
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| 14:01 | <Gadi> Im not sure
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| 14:01 | <shale_> we took the rdesktop script from 4.2, edited to work with 4.2, and now edited it to work with 5
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| 14:01 | <Gadi> could be
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| 14:01 | its been a while
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| 14:01 | <sbalneav> shale_: throw your names in there anyway, paste it to the pastebot, and I'll stick it in my tree
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| 14:02 | <shale_> roger
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| 14:02 | <sbalneav> then gadi, ogra, et al can merge from me.
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| 14:02 | <Q-FUNK> is there any documented way to work around isa netowrk cards not being detected?
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| 14:02 | <sbalneav> Q-FUNK: eeeuuurgh
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| 14:02 | ISA's a PITA
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| 14:02 | does the machine have a PCI bus?
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| 14:03 | you'd be best to yank the isa card and replace it with a $20 8139
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| 14:03 | <Q-FUNK> it used to work fine back when discover1 was the prefered way of detecting hardware and loading modules
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| 14:03 | no pci bus
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| 14:04 | <shale_> who uses the vnc pw "pepper" ?
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| 14:06 | <sbalneav> delete that line :)
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| 14:06 | <shale_> well yea, but it might give a clue as to who wrote it :)
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| 14:06 | my sysadmin is trying to remember where he pulled the original 4.2 ver from
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| 14:07 | <sbalneav> Not me. Or change pepper to "password" and leave it as an example.
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| 14:07 | <Gadi> thats not in the original 4.2
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| 14:07 | <shale_> yes its commented out
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| 14:09 | looks like this was the original script: http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net/msg23599/rdesktop
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| 14:11 | <joebaker> Gadi, Have you used Google's Apps for your domain?
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| 14:11 | <shale_> that was our starting point, confirmed
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| 14:11 | <joebaker> Where multiple people edit the same document at the same time?
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| 14:12 | <joebaker> Just wondering, because it seem ackward for everybody to use pastebot, then work on things,
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| 14:12 | pasting it back and forth, then notifying , etc... Sort of like a gabby server only with
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| 14:12 | authentication based on google account login.
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| 14:13 | <shale_> here's a msg from my sysadmin who wrote the script: "tell the LTSP guys I love their work and wished that Windows would get on the ball and get a fuse file system implementation going."
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| 14:13 | <sbalneav> We mainly use SCCS for doing collaborative stuff. Most of us use bzr
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| 14:14 | <joebaker> I've never gotten much past learning the patch and diff commands. I don't use them
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| 14:14 | much either.
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| 14:15 | <joebaker> If anybody's interested in trying out Google's apps for your domain, I have 100 accounts
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| 14:15 | I can give away in the burlingtonlinux.org domain.
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| 14:15 | <joebaker> I also have accounts on an Ubuntu Feisty box with NX access.
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| 14:16 | <ZoOl007_> Hello,
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| 14:18 | <sbalneav> ZoOl007_: hello
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| 14:18 | shale_: Let me know when you've got the new version up, and I'll put it in my tree.
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| 14:18 | <ZoOl007_> ... what I wanted to ask. I just set up a test lab in a vmware workstation6 an I have ltsp working on ubuntu 7.0 server. Vmware uses vmware-tools. It speeds up networking a lot. I can install it on the server vm, but is there any way to get the thin clients to use their driver. At the moment they are booting over 10mbit...
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| 14:22 | <shale_> sbalneav: ok it's updated: http://akgeeks.net/ltsp-w2k3
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| 14:26 | <zodman> someones know how to disable ipv6 on xdm ?
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| 14:28 | <sbalneav> ZoOl007_: Well, you could do it, I suppose, but one assumes you're just TESTING it in vmware, and will have a real rollout at some point?
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| 14:31 | shale_: pushed up to my tree on launchpad.
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| 14:32 | Congrats, you is an Free Software Author!!!111oneone
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| 14:32 | :)
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| 14:33 | <shale_> cool
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| 14:33 | <Blinny> heh
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| 14:33 | <shale_> so does that mean it'll be in the next ver of ltsp5?
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| 14:34 | <ZoOl007_> I'm testing... and I'm actually rather new to linux. In my real life I'm a windows sysadmin. You know... ever since I installed Ubuntu I never ever booted my pc in windows. That means something. I read your article regarding the w2k3ts. Impressive... I'm going to try that.
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| 14:34 | <sbalneav> shale_: https://code.launchpad.net/~sbalneav/ltsp/scotts-gutsy
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| 14:34 | shale_: yep.
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| 14:36 | <shale_> nice!
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| 15:36 | <ZoOl007_> bye
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| 16:01 | <dz0> Have pxebooting setup on one system and it works fine. I am setting it up in another system and dhcp works, the requets to tftp happen and the tftp server even sends back the first packets. The file will not transfer. Connecting locally though it transfers fine. tcpwarppers is not in use and there is no firewall running. AThe configs are identicle (literally copied from previous env). Anyone have hints on what is wrong with tftp
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| 16:01 | ? TIA
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| 16:01 | There are no network errors and all other network services work fine on that server. ie: apache, ssh, etc. File transfers via scp are normal speeds...
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| 16:02 | <dz0> I have verbose logging on and see no permission denieds or files not found etc. I even tried screwing up the perms and removing files to ensure it would indeed log such things and it does.
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| 16:40 | <shale_> dz0 try a different NIC?
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| 17:43 | <shale_> can anyone tell me how to change the splash screen that shows while booting?
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| 17:43 | It's the pretty Ubuntu logo but i want to change it to a big pic of my smiling mug :)
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| 17:44 | est possible?
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| 18:10 | <sir_veja> hello guys
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| 18:10 | I have a another problem with ltsp
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| 18:10 | what if..
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| 18:10 | the client and the server where on diferent networks
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| 18:11 | like clients on 172.79.200.1 and server on 172.16.1.200
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| 18:11 | and they can both comunicate through a gateway?
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| 18:11 | my nfsd can't connect
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| 18:11 | any clue?
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| 18:58 | <shale_> can anyone tell me how to change the splash screen that shows while booting?
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| 19:40 | <jamie> anyone tell me a application like sabayon. Trying to remove logout button on gnome. Does not seem to work with sabayon.
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| 19:41 | I just make the changes and they don`t change at all.
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