IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 11 July 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:05 | <MrMoo> I'm going to try this out in a bit: http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/hpn-ssh/
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| 02:06 | basically drop to no cipher post authentication for really slow clients
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| 02:59 | <MrMoo> the easier alternative is just dropping down from blowfish to arcfour cipher ...
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| 03:56 | <ogra> MrMoo, we already have an unencrypted mode in the new ldm ;)
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| 03:59 | <MrMoo> ogra, haha, awesome
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| 04:00 | <ogra> in gutsy just set LDM_DIRECTX=True in lts.conf and dm will set DISPLAY to the client ip and omit -X in the ssh call
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| 04:01 | so your X connection is direct but the password handling is still encrypted
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| 04:21 | <MrMoo> ok, easy to back port :)
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| 04:54 | <paras> channel, i am tesing ltsp 5 .. eveything works except sound outputs in the ltsp server insrated of client. what went wroing?
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| 05:06 | <ogra> paras, which distro/version ?
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| 05:06 | <paras> ogra, debian etch
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| 05:07 | <ogra> paras, log in to a session and type: env
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| 05:07 | in a terminal
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| 05:08 | <paras> ogra, yes done..
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| 05:08 | <ogra> look if ESPEAKER is set and points to the client ip
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| 05:10 | <ogra> (ldm sets that if you have SOUND=True in your lts.conf)
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| 05:10 | <paras> ogra, i dont see ESPEAKER
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| 05:11 | ogra, i don't have lts.conf
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| 05:11 | <jonta> to me it looks like the thin client is using the server /. if you create a file in /etc in the thin client it ends up on the servers /etc
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| 05:11 | <ogra> paras, create it ;)
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| 05:11 | <jonta> am i just looking at it the wrong way?
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| 05:12 | <ogra> paras, it needs to be in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc
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| 05:12 | add these two lines:
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| 05:12 | [default]
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| 05:12 | SOUND=True
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| 05:12 | <paras> ogra, ok.
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| 05:13 | <ogra> jonta, no, the thin client uses the exported filesystem under /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 05:13 | <jonta> ogra: then how come when i create a file in /etc on the thin client it is created in the servers /etc, not under /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 05:13 | <ogra> jonta, then you broke something
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| 05:14 | <jonta> heh :P
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| 05:14 | the same when i tried edubuntu right out of the box
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| 05:14 | now i'm runing ubuntu
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| 05:14 | <ogra> if you create files on the client that can only hapen in ram ... there is no write access to anythng on the server
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| 05:14 | <jonta> and when i apt-get openoffice on the server it shows up in the menu on the client
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| 05:15 | <ogra> and i can guarantee you that this doesnt happen in edubuntu unless you changed teh nfs setup :)
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| 05:15 | indeed
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| 05:15 | <jonta> and yes, i have write access to the server, how that now happened
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| 05:15 | <ogra> jonta, you are confusing the session with the client OS ;)
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| 05:15 | <jonta> probably, argh, it is a bit confusing :P
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| 05:16 | <ogra> the client only boots a kernel, configures and starts an X server and ldm, the ltsp login manager
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| 05:16 | <jonta> but still weird that i can create files on the server /etc from my client using the terminal in gnome
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| 05:16 | <ogra> as soon as you log in you establish a remote connection to the server .... only the display is forwarded to the client
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| 05:17 | so indeed, if you create anything inside the *session* you are logged in on the server
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| 05:17 | <jonta> ah
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| 05:17 | then i follow
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| 05:17 | <ogra> if you would hit ctrl-alt-f1 in the login screen you would be on a client console ...
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| 05:17 | <paras> ogra, i created lts.conf just with sound=true. still i don't see ESPEAKER
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| 05:17 | <ogra> if you would log in there and create any files they would be created in ram in the client ...
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| 05:17 | <jonta> too bad though, would be nice to have the client only using the files in /opt/ltsp/i386, feels safer
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| 05:18 | okej, then i understand
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| 05:18 | <ogra> paras, didy you write *exactly* what i pasted above ?
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| 05:18 | <jonta> ogra: thanks for the help anyways, i was a bit condfused
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| 05:19 | <paras> ogra, yes
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| 05:19 | <ogra> yeah, thats usually the case for people starting with ltsp ;) (wasnt different for me in the beginning )
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| 05:19 | <gvy> mooorning' sirs...
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| 05:19 | <paras> ogra, my lts.conf now only has those two lines
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| 05:19 | * gvy yawns heavily | |
| 05:20 | <ogra> paras, and you rebooted the client ?
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| 05:21 | <paras> ogra, yep
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| 05:21 | <ogra> strange
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| 05:21 | * gvy . o O ( restarted, rebooted, time to reinstall the client! ) | |
| 05:21 | * ogra has no idea what debian did to the code here ... | |
| 05:21 | <paras> ogra, do we need pulseaudio?
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| 05:22 | <ogra> paras, might be that you need to set SOUND_SERVER=esd in debian (even it would be silly if they had changed that)
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| 05:22 | paras, no
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| 05:22 | <paras> ogra, ok
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| 05:22 | <ogra> paras, there is no pulse support in the etch version
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| 05:22 | <gvy> ogra, btw thanks for inspiration with pulse -- working since yesterday here :)
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| 05:22 | <ogra> cool :)
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| 05:23 | paras, pulse support was added in ubuntu feisty ... etch is based n the edgy version ...
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| 05:23 | so slightly old
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| 05:23 | <paras> ogra, ok..
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| 05:27 | <jonta> what is pulse support?
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| 05:27 | <ogra> paras, the weird thing is that it doesnt set the ESPEAKER variable, which should happen in *any* case if you set the SOUND variable, something is clearly wrong there
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| 05:27 | jonta, pulseaudio is the sound server we use to forward sound output and volume control from the session to the client
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| 05:28 | <jonta> ok
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| 05:28 | <ogra> in later release we'll also push sound capturing through that
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| 05:28 | <jonta> hmm, is it easy to enable people to put in their usb-disk in the client and see the content?
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| 05:29 | cool
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| 05:30 | <ogra> see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuFAQ ... and specifically https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuFAQ
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| 05:30 | err
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| 05:30 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices
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| 05:30 | <paras> ogra, i have enable sound_server=esd.. in the server.. rebooted the clinet.. same problem
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| 05:31 | <ogra> paras, i hope thats SOUND_SERVER=esd not sound_server=esd
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| 05:31 | (capitalization is important here)
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| 05:31 | <gvy> case matters
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| 05:32 | <ogra> thats why i asked if you used the *exact* lines i gave you ;)
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| 05:34 | <paras> ogra, yes yes, its in caps lock on
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| 05:42 | <klausade> how is loadbalancing done with ltsp? With ltsp4.2 I used some hacks to change the variable XDM_SERVER to point to different servers. How can I get ldm to work against different servers?
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| 05:46 | <ogra> klausade, thats something only the devlopment version supports currently ...
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| 05:46 | <ogra> (you can set LDM_SERVER there ...)
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| 05:47 | klausade, but if you are capable to change some lines in a pythin script its trivial to add ;)
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| 05:47 | *pathon
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| 05:47 | bah !
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| 05:47 | *python
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| 05:48 | * ogra sells some vowels | |
| 05:49 | <ogra> klausade, edit /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/sbin/ldm
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| 05:49 | under line 36 add something like self.ldmserver = get_config('LDM_SERVER')
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| 05:50 | and change line 122 to use it
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| 05:51 | additionally you should make sure to add somethig that sets self.ldmserver to self.server if the variable is unset but thats rughtly how it works
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| 05:54 | <klausade> ogra: where do I download the devlopment version?
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| 05:58 | <ogra> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ltsp/gutsy-ltsp
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| 05:58 | klausade, specifically for ldm development https://code.launchpad.net/~sbalneav/ltsp/scotts-gutsy
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| 05:58 | but beware thats in flux atm so totally unstable and not expected to work yet
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| 05:59 | the last stable ldm is in the gutsy-ltsp branch
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| 05:59 | <klausade> ogra: welcome to my life :-)
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| 05:59 | <ogra> heh
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| 05:59 | <klausade> totally unstable and not expected to work yet
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| 05:59 | :-)
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| 06:03 | <gvy> ogra, thx for "pathon" -- it sound so pythetic :)
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| 06:05 | <ogra> heh
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| 06:14 | <jonta> ogra: the local devices worked fine :)
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| 06:15 | <ogra> :)
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| 06:58 | <klausade> ogra: is there a version of ldm around that is localized?
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| 06:59 | <ogra> klausade, not yet, the new ldm will have gettext support
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| 07:01 | <klausade> ogra: excelent. I now have a ldm that works with ldm_username, ldm_password, ldm_server. Next is to have it localized, and i'm on my way to replace ltsp4.2.
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| 07:02 | <ogra> with the old one its quite trivial to change the handfull of strings
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| 07:03 | <ogra> just have a look at /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/greeters/
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| 07:03 | there is a file called gtk and a .glade file ...
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| 07:09 | <klausade> ogra: so true you are :-)
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| 07:11 | <gvy> while ogra; do echo hello world; done
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| 07:12 | <cliebow_> heh!
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| 07:33 | <jammcq> g'morning folks
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| 07:33 | <cliebow_> jammcq!!
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| 07:33 | <jammcq> what's up chuck ?
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| 07:34 | <whiprush> jammcq!
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| 07:34 | <gvy> aftermoom here
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| 07:34 | <cliebow_> jammcq:ubuntu kernel will pick up option 128/9 wont it?
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| 07:34 | <gvy> g'! :)
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| 07:35 | <jammcq> ummm, it should. That's an Etherboot thing
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| 07:35 | Etherboot will go ahead and pass the value of option 129 on the kernel command line.
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| 07:36 | the next question is will Ubuntu bother looking at the kernel cmdline and use what it finds
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| 07:36 | <cliebow_> guess ill need to give it a whirl for alternate port dhcp
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| 07:37 | <jammcq> umm, I'd be surprised (and happy) if that works
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| 07:52 | <cliebow_> ogra:warning: /opt/ltsp/./images/etc/ssh noty found. skipping
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| 07:52 | when running ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 07:52 | <ogra> hmm, thats weird
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| 07:52 | where does the dot come from
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| 07:52 | err
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| 07:52 | heh
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| 07:53 | <cliebow_> it was in therror message..
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| 07:53 | <ogra> i should put "Note:" in front of it
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| 07:53 | its no error
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| 07:53 | <cliebow_> maybe ill toss this chroot and build another
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| 07:53 | <ogra> images is no chroot
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| 07:53 | so that file cant exist
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| 07:53 | <cliebow_> im getting dropped to a login on server for some reason
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| 07:53 | i see what you are saying
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| 07:54 | <ogra> you mean you cant log in ?
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| 07:54 | <cliebow_> yeah
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| 07:55 | <ogra> does ldm work correct apart from that ?
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| 07:55 | if you update the ssh key you have to rebuild the image ...
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| 07:55 | sudo ltsp-update-image
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| 07:55 | <cliebow_> i dont get ldm,..justr drops to a login on kestrel (my server
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| 07:55 | ok
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| 07:55 | <ogra> on the client ?
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| 07:55 | <cliebow_> yeah
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| 07:56 | <ogra> that cant be
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| 07:56 | (qou know that the hostname gets copied into the client during build i assume)
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| 07:56 | <cliebow_> hostname of server?
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| 07:56 | ok
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| 07:56 | <ogra> yeah
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| 07:56 | <cliebow_> m updating image
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| 07:56 | <ogra> i'll hardcode that to ltsp-client for the release
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| 07:57 | so its less confusing
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| 07:57 | <cliebow_> ok 8~)
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| 07:58 | this is my first shot on gutsy..so pardon dumb questions 8~)
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| 08:00 | <ogra> there are no dumb questions
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| 08:02 | :)
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| 08:02 | especially if someone just changes the whole world :)
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| 08:04 | <cliebow_> 8~)
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| 08:06 | i think this monitor is giving me grief../usr/sbin/delay_mounter:not found
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| 08:07 | sorry..non sequitor there
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| 08:07 | <ogra> thats fine
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| 08:08 | delayed_mounter is in ldm now ... the ltsp-client initscript wont find it
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| 08:08 | just a warning
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| 08:08 | all stuff that will get cleaned up oon
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| 08:08 | <cliebow_> fine then..
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| 08:48 | <isojussi> anyone know how to get NIC with RTL8139D chip booting usin boot floppy?
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| 08:49 | <klausade> isojussi: it should be well documented on rom-o-matic.com
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| 08:49 | <ogra> isojussi, rom-o-matic.net should have it
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| 08:49 | (or .com ... who knows :) )
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| 09:06 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 09:08 | <cliebow_> Scottie!!
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| 09:16 | <jammcq> !s
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| 09:17 | <ltspbot`> jammcq: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:17 | <sbalneav> Hey jammcq!
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| 09:26 | <ogra> !s
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| 09:26 | <ltspbot`> ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:27 | <sbalneav> Hey ogra
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| 09:27 | How's the sprint?
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| 09:28 | <ogra> well
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| 09:28 | lots of lists to assemble etc ...
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| 09:28 | i'm not coding much atm
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| 09:28 | http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/07/07/10/1736238.shtml
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| 09:28 | :))
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| 09:28 | <gvy> mgmt sprint?
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| 09:32 | <cliebow_> sbalneav: senior moment here..anything you can think of for alt dhcp besides --exec /usr/sbin/dhcpd3 -- -q $INTERFACES -p 1001 -pf $DHCPDPID -cf $CONFIG_FILE
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| 09:32 | and restart
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| 09:33 | my prommed card works fine on 1001/2 on old server..not on gutsy..
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| 09:33 | netstat syas it runs..i see udp from 0.0.0.0 using wireshark
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| 09:35 | <sbalneav> ogra: Ah, cool. I know Canonical receives a lot of flack on LP. Personally, I don't have a problem using a non free tool to create free software.
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| 09:36 | <ogra> yeah, most dont have that prob ... and many understand the reasons ...
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| 09:36 | but there is bashing nontheless
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| 09:37 | <sbalneav> I mean, my video bios isn't free, and neither is my system bios. But I need both of them to run my machine, that I use to produce free software :)
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| 09:38 | Anyway, it's a good thing from the point of view that it gives people one less thing to complain about. Are they going to Free up the whole thing over time?
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| 09:38 | <cliebow_> and pxe runs fine with -q $INTERFACES -p 67
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| 09:38 | <sbalneav> cliebow_: No, that should work, I should thinl
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| 09:38 | think
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| 09:39 | <cliebow_> merci!
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| 09:58 | Thunder!
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| 09:58 | <jammcq> cliebow_: are you getting the kernel downloaded?
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| 09:58 | <cliebow_> no.
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| 09:59 | plug into the old netwrok..away she goes..
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| 09:59 | the card must be good..
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| 09:59 | i see udp request on the serverbut no answer
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| 10:00 | netstat says it is listening on 1001
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| 10:05 | brb
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| 10:16 | <McDutchie> hi jammcq and all, I just wanted to report on solving a problem I asked for help with here a few days ago with getting 1440x900 resolution to work under LTSP 4.2 (remember?). In one computer the problem was the on-board VIA video chip that couldn't handle the resolution, as someone here suspected; even Windows didn't manage. Inserting an NVIDIA card fixed it. The other computer simply needed to be switched to 16-bit color instead of 24 due to lack of VRA
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| 10:16 | <jammcq> awesome
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| 10:16 | <McDutchie> :)
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| 10:54 | <MRH2> hi anyone see a screensaver effect xfs such that no new clients could connect to it
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| 10:55 | <ogra> xfs ?
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| 10:55 | why should a screensaver affect a fontserver
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| 10:55 | <sbalneav> MRH2: No
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| 10:55 | Only way would be is if the screensaver's trying to allocate thousands of fonts, maybe.
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| 10:55 | <ogra> hmm
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| 10:56 | (why would you use xfs at all ... ?)
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| 10:56 | <sbalneav> really old system, maybe?
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| 10:56 | <ogra> if you dont run a very old xorg/xfree ...
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| 10:56 | heh, snap
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| 10:56 | <cliebow_> ogra:where am i in boot process after "starting kernel log daemon" kestrel tty1 * Strating ltsp-client?..i dont see anything nfs happening..
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| 10:56 | <MRH2> xfs as in font server
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| 10:57 | and yes i am running an old xfree
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| 10:57 | <ogra> cliebow_, in gutsy ?
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| 10:57 | <cliebow_> yes
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| 10:57 | <ogra> well, gutsy doesnt use any nfs :)
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| 10:57 | <sbalneav> MRH2: Usually, with newer xorg, the RENDER extention is used instead of XFS
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| 10:57 | <cliebow_> maybe that is why..its function reoplaced by squash
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| 10:57 | <ogra> check daemon.log for traces of nbd-server
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| 10:58 | <cliebow_> k
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| 10:58 | * ogra goes for a smoke break ... bbl | |
| 10:58 | <cliebow_> Godfrey..gave em up..
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| 10:58 | so far
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| 10:59 | kestrel nbdrootd[5846]: connect from 10.10.0.136 (10.10.0.136)
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| 10:59 | Jul 11 11:36:13 kestrel nbd_server[5847]: connect from ^P^Z^E^H^C, assigned file is /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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| 10:59 | Jul 11 11:36:13 kestrel nbd_server[5847]: Size of exported file/device is 131612672
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| 10:59 | <MRH2> I am refering to an ltsp implementation circa redhat 9
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| 10:59 | so its an oldee
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| 10:59 | or i'm an oldee
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| 10:59 | <sbalneav> MRH2: No, I can't think of a reason.
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| 11:00 | But if it's a screensaver that's doing it, just disable that particular screensaver.
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| 11:00 | <cliebow_> MRH2:is there an /etc/issue file in your "chroot"
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| 11:00 | <sbalneav> Really, all you want is just screen blanking anyway.
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| 11:00 | <cliebow_> be nice to know what version
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| 11:02 | <MRH2> i 'believe' it is a screensaver that is causing it - pending further investigation
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| 11:03 | just a gut feel though - wondering if u guys have run into that before
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| 11:04 | <sbalneav> Nope
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| 11:07 | <ogra> i'd rather guess for something like openoffice
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| 11:07 | pulling the font list over and over or something
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| 11:07 | <cliebow_> ogra:so looks like nbdroot is functional..
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| 11:07 | <ogra> right
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| 11:08 | <cliebow_> building a new chroot now..see what happens..
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| 11:08 | <ogra> also if you are at "starting kernel log daemon", you are already in the runing system
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| 11:09 | smells a bit like ldm isnt starting properly
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| 11:09 | (syslog and klog should be the last pieces that start before ltsp-client-core)
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| 11:10 | <cliebow_> very good
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| 11:11 | <MRH2> ok gtg thanks
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| 11:44 | <cliebow_> ogra:so in the end /opt/ltsp/i386 is used to create the .img file that becomes filesystem on client?
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| 11:54 | <gvy> cliebow_, afaik ogra stated exactly that
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| 11:54 | <cliebow_> Thunder! finally getting my head around it
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| 11:56 | <john_s> I am using edubuntu 7.04 on a server with Broadcom NetXtreme BCM5780 gigabit nics, everything was hunky-dorey until I reinstalled an know I can bring up the nics, even though I see them when I do lspci: 04:04.1 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5780 Gigabit Ethernet
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| 11:56 | whoops that should read I _can't_ bring up the nics
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| 11:57 | <cliebow_> kind a figgered that out..
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| 11:57 | <john_s> anyone have any idea what could be going on?
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| 11:57 | yes indeed
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| 11:58 | in fact they aren't in in /etc/network/interfaces and I can't see them in gdm's "network gui" tool either. ifup eth1 fails of course and I can't do ifconfig eth1 up either
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| 11:58 | eth1: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
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| 12:00 | <john_s> I am not sure what drivers ubuntu would load to bring those evil broadcoms up but I don't see anything that says "broadcom" when I do lsmod | grep broadcom"
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| 12:00 | <gvy> the driver was bcmnx or like that...
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| 12:00 | <cliebow> john_s:does lsmod show the bcm5700 module loaded?
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| 12:01 | <gvy> recently installed altlinux 4.0 server on hp proliant dl$something with those, just worked
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| 12:01 | <john_s> no
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| 12:01 | yeah
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| 12:01 | it "just worked" before I reinstalled edubuntu and now it doesn't
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| 12:02 | <gvy> cliebow, there were different modules, netxtreme used ...lemme look up... bnx2
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| 12:02 | <cliebow> k
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| 12:02 | <john_s> would lspci still report them if they both physically failed for some unknown reason?
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| 12:02 | <gvy> try modprobe bnx2
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| 12:02 | <cliebow> 8~)
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| 12:03 | <gvy> john_s, they could show up in lspci and even get the driver loaded but not really work with broken acpi bios (then pci=noacpi might help)
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| 12:03 | but that's seemingly not the case
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| 12:03 | <john_s> ok i loaded the driver but still can't bring up the interface with ifconfig
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| 12:04 | <gvy> then another broken acpi bios (tyan tiger) wouldn't even let lspci work but that's another story, and another weird magic word for kernel :)
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| 12:04 | are they at least there in ifconfig or "ip ad" output?
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| 12:04 | <john_s> well lspci says used by "0"
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| 12:05 | <john_s> ip ad doesnt' show them
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| 12:05 | man
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| 12:05 | <gvy> e100 39688 0
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| 12:05 | i'm here over that e100
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| 12:05 | <john_s> ok
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| 12:06 | so used by doesn't mean anything apparently
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| 12:06 | at least not about whether they are in use
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| 12:06 | <gvy> is it the very same kernel? ix86 vs x86_64 can differ too
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| 12:06 | <john_s> I think I'll try a livecd on it running kubuntu and see if they came up
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| 12:06 | <gvy> yup
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| 12:09 | <john_s> i am trying with kubuntu live. the only thing that look different to me was that uname -a reported a i686 build rather than i386 which is what the iso said it was
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| 12:11 | <gvy> it's processor afaik
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| 12:11 | that is, not very sure but on pentium that might report i586
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| 12:34 | <plundra> Is there a referencemanual for ldm and how to configure it?
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| 12:35 | <plundra> Or isn't it possible to configure anything other then the pictures/colors for themes?
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| 12:57 | <ogra> plundra, right
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| 13:12 | <K_O-Gnom> hi folks .. what is the prefered language?
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| 13:12 | <ogra> the friendly one :)
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| 13:13 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: that means? german or english?
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| 13:13 | <ogra> english ;)
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| 13:13 | <K_O-Gnom> i thought its the base setting to be friendly :-)
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| 13:13 | ogra: ok
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| 13:13 | <ogra> but if you think your english is to bad i can answer in german :)
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| 13:14 | (and you can ask in german as well indeed :) )
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| 13:14 | <K_O-Gnom> ill try english (i think i reach mor persons then :-)
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| 13:16 | <K_O-Gnom> i am a gentoo user and whant to install ltsp on my gentoo machine .. i work with this howto http://www.gentoo.de/doc/de/ltsp.xml (german ;-) ) and ther is a notice written when i do an emerge ltsp and have set the kde ore gnome use flag in my /etc/make.conf it will install a complete kde or gnome environment ... but i don't see that it want to merge it when i do emerge -av ltsp
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| 13:17 | <K_O-Gnom> is this right or is ther a misstake in the howto or in my mind?
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| 13:20 | <K_O-Gnom> here is the english version of the document i post http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/ltsp.xml
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| 13:20 | (same notice)
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| 13:20 | <sbalneav> I don't know much about gentoo, but you shouldn't NEED either gnome or kde to run an ltsp environment.
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| 13:20 | it should work with either, or any window manager environment.
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| 13:21 | <K_O-Gnom> sbalneav: is it normal that ltsp build in /opt/ltsp-$verison/ an complete linux environment? and do i have to build the gnome/kde environment manually?
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| 13:22 | <sbalneav> it should be a fairly complete linux, with a kernel, glibc, xorg, etc.
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| 13:22 | <K_O-Gnom> yesterday i tryed (and fail) witout building an gnome env. and it only loads the X (witout mouse and keyboard access)
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| 13:23 | <sbalneav> The kde and/or gnome runs up on the server, so you probably already have it.
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| 13:23 | <K_O-Gnom> sbalneav: ok than thats right ..
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| 13:23 | sbalneav: so i have to build it manually (atm i only have a console based server working)
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| 13:23 | <sbalneav> In that case, yes.
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| 13:24 | <K_O-Gnom> sbalneav: ok thanks i will start the build process and wait :-) (it takes a long time to compile gnome and X :-)
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| 13:25 | <ogra> well, you choose gentoo :)
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| 13:25 | <sbalneav> :)
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| 13:26 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: yes and if you belive it or not i love it :-)
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| 13:27 | <ogra> if you bear the compile times you must love it :)
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| 13:27 | what other choice would you have ;)
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| 13:28 | * ogra is happy to use a binary distro ... but if people love compiling i totally understand if they like gentoo :) | |
| 13:31 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: binaries have ther goods ... (like graphical config tools or so .) but i see at my sisters pc (its a suse 10) nothing will work (she have a little stupid ac97 sound card and suse dont like to use that cards driver ... it says no sound card found ... when i use a gentoo system on that pc it works very fine ..)
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| 13:31 | +i
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| 13:31 | <ogra> give her ubuntu :)
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| 13:32 | so she has the tools and working hardware ;)
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| 13:32 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: some more click click colored colored system :-/
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| 13:32 | <ogra> well, at least it works
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| 13:32 | and doesnt have yast or anything like that
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| 13:32 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: maybe ... some co workers of mine say it wont work on their (usual) hardware ..
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| 13:33 | * ogra hopes they filed bugs so that can be solved for the next release | |
| 13:33 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: thats why i try ltsp ... maybe i can get it working for my sister ..
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| 13:33 | <ogra> well ...
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| 13:33 | <K_O-Gnom> -working + workes
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| 13:33 | * ogra looks at the channel topic | |
| 13:34 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: i see that too .. but i dont like ubuntu :-) so i use gentoo there i know what to do (specially dont like apt ..)
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| 13:34 | <ogra> wow, i just looked at the gentoo howto you pasted ... thats a lot of work
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| 13:34 | at least compared to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 13:35 | <K_O-Gnom> ok thats only 2 commands ... :-)
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| 13:35 | <ogra> hmm, an your howto is indeed for 4.1 ...
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| 13:35 | someone should at least update that to 4.2
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| 13:36 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: the ebuild from joomla portage only is version 4.2 ..
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| 13:36 | <ogra> until ltsp5 is finally implemeted in gentoo
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| 13:36 | well, the doc has a lot 4.1 references
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| 13:37 | <K_O-Gnom> yes ... i think nobody use ltsp on gentoo ;) so nobody change the howto :-(
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| 13:38 | <ogra> well, dberkholz is implementing ltsp5 ... but he's totally alone with that
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| 13:38 | so it takes its time
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| 13:38 | * ogra knows how that feels, took me 2years to get it feature complete in ubuntu | |
| 13:39 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: have the 4.2 version some major errors what the 5.0 dont have?
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| 13:39 | <ogra> even though he has our code to just port which should make it a lot easier
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| 13:39 | ltsp5 is completely different to what 4.2 was
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| 13:39 | http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5
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| 13:40 | and http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/MueKow
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| 13:42 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: whats the main difference between that versions in a little sentence?
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| 13:42 | <sbalneav> ltsp5 is now built using the distros packages
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| 13:42 | <ogra> ltsp4 was usin its own tarball like a mini linux distro
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| 13:42 | so ltsp upstream had to maintain kernel, x etc
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| 13:43 | thats a sily overhead if you already have all tehse packages available
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| 13:43 | <K_O-Gnom> so i have 2 distros on one system on the 4.x versions right?
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| 13:43 | <ogra> ltsp5 defines a way to leave the maintenance of the core packages to the distro so ltsp developers can fully concentrate on developng ltsp stuff
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| 13:44 | right
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| 13:44 | <K_O-Gnom> do i have 2 distros on the 5.x versions too?
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| 13:44 | <ogra> its liek a separate distro
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| 13:44 | <cliebow> like the little dude inside the big dudes head
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| 13:44 | <K_O-Gnom> cliebow: good picture :-)
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| 13:44 | <ogra> you have two systems but based on the same software ...
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| 13:44 | <cliebow> heh
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| 13:45 | <ogra> and indeed you get the full security support of the distro
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| 13:45 | since you can just update the client environment with your distro tools if security fixes come ...
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| 13:45 | less work for us, more time for development ;)
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| 13:46 | <cliebow> ogra:am i right saying /opt/ltsp/i386 is what the squashfs is built from?
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| 13:46 | <ogra> yep
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| 13:46 | <K_O-Gnom> so atm i dont understand all ... but let me think ... 1 have a little system in the /opt/ltsp-(version) path but in 4.x it is a special ltsp version and in 5 i can build it my own is that right?
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| 13:46 | <ogra> well, in 4.2 you usually just unpack a tarball
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| 13:46 | <K_O-Gnom> -1 +I
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| 13:46 | <ogra> in ltsp5 you bootstrap a basic system using your distros tools
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| 13:47 | then you chroot into that system, install the necessary additional stuff or do maintenance or whatever
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| 13:47 | (up to the distro)
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| 13:48 | <cliebow> it was kind of a bastard to add new packages in 4.2..
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| 13:48 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: so i do an normal installation into the path /opt/my-ltspsystem/
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| 13:48 | <ogra> right, in ltsp5 in debian or ubuntu you just do: chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install blah
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| 13:49 | well, you need the ltsp scripts indeed, else you would end up with a readonly system on the clients
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| 13:49 | the ltsp initscripts care for mounting tmpfs'es in ram etc to have the necessary bits writeable to even boot the system
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| 13:50 | <cliebow> ahh that explains much better
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| 13:50 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: thats what i do with my 4.x ltsp .. (a normal installation unpack my stage3 tarball and test... it works not very great .. missing some libs ) hmm ok thats the reason i dont have the ltsp scripts ... how can i find that=
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| 13:50 | <ogra> and configure X on the fly, or sound or local device access for CDroms or USB sticks
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| 13:50 | <K_O-Gnom> ? or where can i find a ltsp gentoo client system?
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| 13:50 | <ogra> there is none yet
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| 13:51 | * ogra has to go, sbalneav and cliebow will help you further .... | |
| 13:51 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: so i have to build my own gentoo system ..
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| 13:51 | <cliebow> 8~)
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| 13:51 | * ogra goes to a whisky probe with his boss now :) | |
| 13:51 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: dont drink to much ;-)
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| 13:51 | <ogra> why ?
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| 13:51 | its feierabend ;)
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| 13:51 | <cliebow> Blow a little cig smoke my way please..
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| 13:51 | <K_O-Gnom> i tought your boss still should be more drunk then you :-)
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| 13:51 | <ogra> canonical office closes anyway :)
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| 13:51 | <cliebow> i'm hurtin
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| 13:52 | <ogra> cliebow, will do ... its hard to be a smoker in london atm
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| 13:52 | <cliebow> i know..
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| 13:52 | <ogra> especially while sitting in 27th floor of a non smoker building :)
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| 13:52 | <cliebow> Tjhat can be double-tough..
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| 13:53 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: it dont get easier in germany ... (more and more buildinge walk to non smoker ..
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| 13:53 | * ogra waves | |
| 13:53 | <cliebow> when i had my neck fixed i could smell it five floors up on a campys that was no smoking
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| 13:53 | <K_O-Gnom> my company only has non smoker buildings
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| 13:53 | <cliebow> K_O-Gnom, ogra IS from Germany
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| 13:53 | <ogra> K_O-Gnom, i know i'll be back in kassel on saturday (ubuntu distro development sprint here atm)
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| 13:54 | ok, they get angry ... bye
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| 13:54 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: bye and thanks for help
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| 13:54 | <dberkholz> ogra: heh, if another gentoo developer stops in, point 'em my way. i've got plenty of people who want to help but lack the ability...
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| 13:55 | * ogra waves from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millbank_Tower | |
| 13:55 | <ogra> ciao
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| 13:55 | <dberkholz> (or time, as i do)
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| 13:56 | <K_O-Gnom> dberkholz: now you have plenty+1 :-) i whant help but i'm not able to ...
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| 13:57 | <dberkholz> in the meanwhile, 4.2 is in our tree and you can use that
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| 13:57 | <K_O-Gnom> dberkholz: yes thats what my server iss building atm ..
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| 13:57 | <cliebow> dberkholz, just looked for you but you were grayed out..
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| 13:57 | <dberkholz> i'm always grayed out at work, i try to actually get work done =)
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| 13:57 | <cliebow> heh
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| 13:59 | <dberkholz> just ping me and if i'm around, i'll reply
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| 13:59 | <K_O-Gnom> so my system is working on ltsp and gnome (including X) it takes a wile so im at the tv ... thanks for help
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| 13:59 | <dberkholz> i'm usually around within a couple hours of any given time
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| 14:15 | <skipper> I seem to be having problems with the Thin Client Manager program. It hangs up and/or operates very slowly.
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| 14:15 | <joebaker> I have a machine with 2 nics I am using for a thin client. The Davicom Ethernet support integraded on the motherboard isn't easy to find
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| 14:15 | Etherboot support for. So I installed another
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| 14:15 | ethernet card (National Semiconductors - natsemi ) The other card I put in there is a Netgear FA311.
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| 14:15 | When Ubuntu has loaded it's kernel and tries to re-activate Ethernet, sometimes it picks the onboard
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| 14:15 | nic and never receives the DHCP acknoledgment (cable is hooked up to the Netgear card)
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| 14:15 | Other times it works well. I thought I'd mention it here.
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| 14:21 | <Gadi> joebaker: if you want to fix this, you could blacklist the undesired driver module in the chroot, update-initramfs -u, exit and ltsp-update-kernel
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| 14:21 | not exactly 'friendly'
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| 14:21 | but a fix
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| 14:39 | <joebaker> gadi: Thanks for the suggestion. Maybe it would be better for all ethernet devices to receive dhcp initialization directives instead of just eth0 in the code.
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| 14:41 | <john_s> hi all, somewhere in the last month or so I saw a hack to make edubuntu clients boot faster can someone point me at it?
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| 14:41 | this involved no encrypting x I believe
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| 14:42 | <steelrat405> hello any have a sec to help someone avoid commiting hari-kari? I have everything in ltsp 4.2 working except I need to share a USB printer from a client to a windows server
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| 14:47 | <john_s> have you already read http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Printers ?
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| 14:48 | <steelrat405> I think so let me look again been at this problem for about 2 hours now so I am not sure about that exact document
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| 14:52 | <john_s> man I totally know there was a little code snippet you could toss into the lts.conf or something that apparently significgantly speeded up client boot time.
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| 14:52 | <joebaker> gadi: maybe lts.conf should have a method for blacklisting modules or a way to later remove them with rmmod.
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| 14:52 | <john_s> I can't find it in my mail now, though :-(
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| 14:54 | Or maybe I dreamt it
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| 14:55 | <sbalneav> joebaker: why not just disable the card in bios?
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| 14:57 | john_s: It doesn't speed up boot time, but it DOES speed things up after login.
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| 14:57 | <john_s> ah
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| 14:57 | thanks, where is that hack located?
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| 14:57 | and is there a bit of documentation about it?
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| 14:58 | <sbalneav> It's on launchpad.net, I beleive
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| 14:59 | hold on, trying to find it.
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| 14:59 | <john_s> thx
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| 15:02 | <steelrat405> ok I looked at that doc and it is not working
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| 15:03 | <mopey> john_s, see http://marc.info/?l=ltsp-discuss&m=118343389721369&w=2
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| 15:04 | <sbalneav> http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net/msg31484.html
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| 15:06 | <john_s> thanks guys
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| 15:06 | or people I should say
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| 15:20 | <Gadi> joebaker: yeah, what is needed is a NIC= kernel arg as in LTSP 4.2 (since the IP address setting and such happens in the initramfs before the OS)
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| 15:21 | it may even exist in some form
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| 15:21 | I havent looked
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| 15:23 | <gy2007> anybody tried ltsp on centos 5?
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| 15:35 | <steelrat405> I will beg for help if it helps : )
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| 15:36 | <sbalneav> steelrat405: No idea how to do it for windows.
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| 15:36 | I avoid that OS like the plague :)
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| 15:36 | <steelrat405> any idea how to test usb attached printer to see if xwin even sees it
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| 15:37 | sbalneav ..I know that is part of my problem too
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| 15:38 | <sbalneav> You should be able to telnet to the workstations port 9100
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| 15:38 | If you type something, it should come out on the printer.
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| 15:38 | <steelrat405> that makes too much sense ok let me try that thanks
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| 15:39 | ok it is telling me connection failed
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| 15:39 | so maybe i hAVE SOMETHING ELSE WRONG
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| 15:39 | if you have a sec I could use the help
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| 15:40 | <Gadi> steelrat405: are you using the thin client's IP?
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| 15:40 | (not hostname)
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| 15:40 | <steelrat405> yes the IP address and I can ping the address
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| 15:40 | <Gadi> have you set the printer up in lts.conf?
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| 15:41 | <steelrat405> I have put the entries that I think are required
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| 15:41 | <sbalneav> Paste your lts.conf to the pastebot
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| 15:41 | !pastebot
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| 15:41 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 15:42 | * Gadi grumbles about buggy BIOSes... | |
| 15:44 | <ltsppbot> "steelrat405" pasted "lts.conf" (98 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/212
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| 15:44 | <steelrat405> the client in question is ws104
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| 15:45 | <Gadi> ltsp 4.2?
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| 15:45 | <steelrat405> yes sorry should have mentioned that
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| 15:45 | <Gadi> looks fine to me
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| 15:45 | do you have a windows firewall up?
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| 15:46 | <steelrat405> I do not think so let me check just to be sure
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| 15:46 | <sbalneav> I can't remember now, it's been so long, and I don't have a 4.2 box around anymore, but didn't printers 1 offset, and not 0?
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| 15:46 | i.e. PRINTER_1_DEVICE etc
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| 15:47 | <steelrat405> no firewall ....I will try the different offset
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| 15:49 | <steelrat405> still no joy on telneting to port 9100
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| 15:50 | <Gadi> no, 0 should be right
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| 15:50 | 0 -> 9100
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| 15:50 | 1 -> 9101
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| 15:50 | 2 -> 9102
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| 15:50 | <steelrat405> ok I will put it back...any other ideas got me stumped and I have been working on this one issue for 2 hours now
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| 15:51 | <Gadi> you should set SCREEN_01 = shell
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| 15:51 | reboot the thin client
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| 15:51 | drop into a shell
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| 15:51 | and see if the printer is starting
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| 15:51 | <steelrat405> ok
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| 15:56 | <steelrat405> looks like the printer is loading how can I send a test print?
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| 15:59 | <Gadi> can you telnet to the IP port 9100?
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| 16:00 | <steelrat405> still telling me connection is denied
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| 16:00 | <Gadi> can you copy the telnet command you are using?
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| 16:00 | <steelrat405> telnet 172.17.2.104:91000
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| 16:01 | <Gadi> you have too many zeros
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| 16:01 | <steelrat405> telnet 172.17.2.104:9100 oops
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| 16:01 | <Gadi> dont put the colon
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| 16:01 | telnet 172.17.2.104 9100
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| 16:01 | <steelrat405> ok duh now I get connected how do I send a test
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| 16:02 | <Gadi> try typing anything and hitting enter
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| 16:02 | then, i think ctrl-L
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| 16:02 | but its been years since I've spoken "printer"
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| 16:02 | ;)
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| 16:03 | anyhow, in Windows you setup the queue as a jetdirect
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| 16:03 | which is a 'local printer' in Add printer
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| 16:03 | with a custom port
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| 16:03 | <steelrat405> then print via raw printer driver?
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| 16:03 | <Gadi> dont know if you did all that
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| 16:03 | no, you need your correct printer driver
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| 16:03 | just choose to create a port
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| 16:03 | make it a jetdirect
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| 16:04 | with IP of workstation and port 9100
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| 16:04 | <steelrat405> ok ... the situation I am in was this was working then the linux server died
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| 16:04 | <Gadi> no worries
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| 16:04 | <steelrat405> the printer has been setup on the windows server and I did make sure that the station has the same address
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| 16:04 | <Gadi> go to the printer's properties
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| 16:05 | and doublecheck the port
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| 16:05 | <steelrat405> Bah still no dice on printing from windows
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| 16:05 | <Gadi> it should contain the ip
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| 16:05 | <steelrat405> will do
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| 16:06 | bah the ip address is 172.17.2.104
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| 16:08 | any more ideas I apreciate the help
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| 16:10 | also the printing with the CTRL-L DID NOT print could I have something wrong somewhere else
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| 16:23 | <jammcq> hola
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| 16:25 | <steelrat405> ello
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| 16:26 | you by any chance are not a usb printer expert on ltsp 4.2 clients?
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| 16:27 | <jammcq> well, I wrote the part of it that makes it work.
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| 16:27 | <steelrat405> so yes
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| 16:27 | I am sure it is something simple just I have been missing it for a few hours now
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| 16:28 | I have a new install of 4.2 replacing a 4.1 server that died. Everything is working except this one usb printer on a client
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| 16:28 | <jammcq> can you telnet to that workstation at port 9100 ?
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| 16:29 | <steelrat405> I have posted the lts.conf once I think it was 212
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| 16:29 | <steelrat405> yes, I get connected type some stuff and press ctrl-l and nothing happens
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| 16:30 | <jammcq> which terminal ?
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| 16:30 | <steelrat405> that the printer is connected to or that I am using for telnet?
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| 16:30 | <jammcq> 'ws104.ltsp' ?
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| 16:30 | <steelrat405> yes
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| 16:30 | <jammcq> you shouldn't need MODULE_01
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| 16:31 | <steelrat405> ok I will remove that now and test
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| 16:32 | one area that I am not comfortable with the setting up of the printer on the server in cups
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| 16:33 | <jammcq> get it working with telnet, and the cups stuff is easy
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| 16:33 | <steelrat405> ok still is not working with telnet
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| 16:33 | do I even need cups to print if I am using rdesktop?
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| 16:34 | <jammcq> umm, I don't know anything about rdesktop
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| 16:34 | <steelrat405> no problem they jut use the ltsp to boot into windows I am sure once we get the printer working everything else will be fine
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| 16:35 | <Gadi> you dont need cups to print from windows
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| 16:35 | just a queue set up with the right driver and a jetdirect printer port pointing to the thin client
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| 16:35 | <steelrat405> ok thanks
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| 16:36 | <steelrat405> now All I need to figure out is why I can not get the printer to work via telnet
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| 16:36 | <jammcq> what kind of printer?
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| 16:36 | <steelrat405> when I connect it tells me I am connected to ws104.ltsp
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| 16:37 | fed ex label printer eltron orion
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| 16:39 | <jammcq> oh, so that printer doesn't understand normal text, right?
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| 16:39 | I think it's expecting special codes
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| 16:39 | <steelrat405> possible I guess
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| 16:40 | At this point I am doing good to know my name
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| 16:40 | : )
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| 16:40 | <Gadi> steelrat405: did you try to print a test page from the windows box?
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| 16:40 | <steelrat405> yup and says printing then goes to error
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| 16:40 | stays in que
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| 16:41 | <Gadi> and this worked in ltsp 4.1?
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| 16:41 | <steelrat405> yes
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| 16:41 | that is what is so frustrating
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| 16:41 | <Guaraldo> Gadi: Hi... can you help me with sound on ltsp?
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| 16:41 | <jammcq> one difference between 4.1 and 4.2 is we changed 'WRITEONLY' to default to 'Y'
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| 16:41 | <Gadi> and the print queue on windows is setup as jetdirect or is set up to go thru cups?
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| 16:41 | <jammcq> but that shouldn't break it
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| 16:41 | <Guaraldo> Gadi: Default sound on LTSP is OSS, right?
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| 16:41 | <Gadi> Guaraldo: which version?
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| 16:42 | <Guaraldo> 4.2
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| 16:42 | <steelrat405> setup as a jetdirect straight to ip
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| 16:42 | <Gadi> yes
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| 16:42 | <Guaraldo> Gadi: How can I change it to Alsa?
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| 16:42 | <Gadi> you need my package from the wiki
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| 16:42 | <Guaraldo> witch url:
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| 16:43 | <Gadi> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#esd_ALSA_sound_on_LTSP_4_2
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| 16:45 | <jammcq> ok kidz, i'm heading home
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| 16:45 | <steelrat405> lucky u
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| 16:45 | <steelrat405> I am sharpening swords
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| 16:46 | <Gadi> steelrat405: try deleting the windows queue
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| 16:47 | and adding it again
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| 16:47 | <steelrat405> ok
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| 16:47 | <Gadi> could be on that side
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| 16:58 | <Guaraldo> Thanks
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| 16:58 | Gadi: Thanks...
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| 16:59 | <Gadi> np
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| 16:59 | <steelrat405> thanks Gadi that looks like it might have been the issue
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| 17:00 | <Gadi> hey hey ! 2 for 2
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| 17:00 | :D
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| 17:00 | <steelrat405> yu da man for today anyway
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| 17:01 | <Gadi> only if I can cure my buggy bios woes
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| 17:01 | ...of course, this could be memory....
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| 17:02 | grr
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| 17:41 | <steelrat405> thanks all
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| 18:29 | <jammcq> vagrantc: you out in portland now?
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| 19:15 | <vagrantc> jammcq: yeah
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| 19:27 | <cliebow> vagrantc: so you arentindependently wealthy..now do you get summun to sponsor you..
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| 19:27 | ?
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| 19:28 | <vagrantc> cliebow: heh
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| 19:29 | cliebow: all of my more expensive travels have been sponsored
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| 20:08 | <jamiejcumbria> I need lts.conf to take its setting from the host name so I put [test1]
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| 20:08 | LDM_DIRECTX=True
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| 20:08 | LDM_USERNAME=test1
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| 20:08 | LDM_PASSWORD="test"
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| 20:09 | <vagrantc> have you patched ldm to accept LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD ?
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| 20:09 | <jamiejcumbria> yes
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| 20:09 | it works with mac but not host name
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| 20:10 | <vagrantc> yeah
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| 20:10 | is this debian or ubuntu ?
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| 20:11 | <jamiejcumbria> ubuntu
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| 20:12 | <vagrantc> jamiejcumbria: is there a /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/hostname file ?
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| 20:12 | jamiejcumbria: and does it contain anything ?
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| 20:13 | ogra: if you show up early on the 21st, you could catch freegeek's geekfair
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| 20:14 | <jamiejcumbria> just it contains my servers host name
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| 20:14 | <vagrantc> remove the file
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| 20:14 | or blank it out, reboot your thin-client and see what happens
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| 20:15 | <jamiejcumbria> ok thanks. I will try.
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| 20:18 | <jamiejcumbria> still got the login screen instead of auto login
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| 20:18 | <vagrantc> ctrl-alt-f1 ... is the host name reported as "test1" ?
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| 20:19 | <jamiejcumbria> sorry it deleted wrong file. Soz Im trying now.
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| 20:22 | Thanks That did it. I should have used my loaf. Thank god for irc. Cheers
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| 20:22 | <vagrantc> yeah, that's what it was invented for.
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| 21:22 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 23:34 | <joebaker> vagrantc Are you there?
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| 23:36 | There's allot of buzz in the freenx mailing list about restructuring and
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| 23:36 | making freenx more acceptable to the debian repositories.
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| 23:36 | Some things they want to remove are it's own samba, ssh and
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| 23:36 | xorg files so that rather it depends on the already existing
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| 23:36 | packages.
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| 23:37 | I can see a day when the preferred connection method includes
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| 23:37 | many of the features that NoMachine offers.
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| 23:37 | <sbalneav> Never happen.
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| 23:38 | It may be A connection method, but nomachine puts too much load on the server for it to be able to support a large number or clients.
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| 23:39 | However, it'll be nice to have it as an option, for sure.
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| 23:55 | <sbalneav> Well, heading to bed.
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| 23:55 | Night, all
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