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Channel log from 3 October 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 12:47 | <mgariepy> good morning everyone
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| 13:33 | <shawnp0wers> Well mgariepy, I'll agree with the morning part... :)
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| 13:53 | <Hyperbyte> And I agree only with the 'good' part. ;-)
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| 14:01 | <mgariepy> alkisg, are you there?
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| 14:01 | <alkisg> Hi mgariepy
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| 14:01 | * alkisg is trying to find some cheap hotel to stay at NY :) | |
| 14:02 | <mgariepy> can you update bts 2011 wiki to add that Revolution linux will pay for The Acadia workshop and Sunday breakfast - Scotty is the "breakfast chef"
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| 14:02 | <alkisg> Sure, let me see the page...
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| 14:02 | <mgariepy> :) thanks
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| 14:03 | for an hotel maybe Gadi have an idea.
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| 14:04 | or a spare room :P
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| 14:04 | <alkisg> The Acadia workshop - $300 [ Sponsor: Revolution Linux ]
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| 14:04 | Sunday breakfast - Scotty is the "breakfast chef" - $100-$150 [ Sponsor: Revolution Linux ]
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| 14:04 | Does that look ok?
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| 14:08 | OK, done
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| 14:22 | <mgariepy> that's perfect
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| 14:22 | thanks alkisg
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| 14:22 | <alkisg> NP
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| 14:22 | Thanks for the workshop + breakfast sponshorship :)
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| 14:26 | <TheMatrix3000> do i have to start my lts.conf file any special way
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| 14:26 | !lts.conf
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| 14:26 | <ltsp> TheMatrix3000: lts.conf: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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| 14:30 | <Hyperbyte> "start"?
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| 14:31 | You don't start your lts.conf in any way, it's not an executable file. It gets downloaded by the client via tftp during PXE boot
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| 15:16 | <TheMatrix3000> this is a valid lts.conf right?
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| 15:16 | http://pastebin.com/rS3AipMY
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| 15:17 | <alkisg> Yes. Do you really want clients with 1 Gb RAM to be booted as thin?!
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| 15:17 | <TheMatrix3000> actually i have it at 8
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| 15:17 | 800
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| 15:17 | on the server itself
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| 15:17 | sorry
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| 15:17 | but other than that is that right?
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| 15:18 | cause it's not taking that lts.conf file for some reason
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| 15:18 | <alkisg> !localxterm
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| 15:18 | <ltsp> alkisg: localxterm: while sitting on a thin client, open a gnome terminal. In that, run: ltsp-localapps xterm. An xterm will open. That xterm runs locally, so any commands you enter there are executed directly on the client.
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| 15:18 | <alkisg> In a localxterm, run: getltscfg -a
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| 15:18 | This will show you what the client actually reads
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| 15:22 | <obrienmd> Wondering if anyone knows what variable to set in pxelinux default config for nbd server IP? The configuration ltsp spit out for mine only specifies nbd_name (nbd device name, which is correct), and our nbd server is different from our DHCP server (the default nbd mount attempt ip, probably), which is why nbd mount of root device seems to be failing.
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| 15:26 | <TheMatrix3000> yea, alkisg, something isn't right
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| 15:26 | it's reading that file
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| 15:26 | and sees the variable
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| 15:26 | but its running a 1GB client as a thin client
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| 15:26 | and not a fat client
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| 15:27 | localapps xterm says FAT_RAM_THRESHOLD=800
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| 15:28 | <alkisg> obrienmd: nbdroot=1.2.3.4:2000
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| 15:29 | TheMatrix3000: from the localxterm again, what's the output of: ls /etc/ltsp_fat_chroot
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| 15:30 | <TheMatrix3000> nothing
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| 15:30 | <alkisg> Then you're either not in a fat chroot, or not in a local xerm
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| 15:30 | xterm
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| 15:30 | Did you build a fat chroot?
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| 15:30 | <TheMatrix3000> sudo ltsp-build-client --arch i386 --chroot fat-i386 --fat-client
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| 15:30 | that's the correct way right?
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| 15:30 | <alkisg> ls -lh /opt/ltsp/images
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| 15:30 | What's the output of that?
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| 15:30 | (on the server)
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| 15:31 | <TheMatrix3000> administrator@ltsp:/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp$ ls -lh /opt/ltsp/images
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| 15:31 | total 2.6G
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| 15:31 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.7G 2011-10-03 10:29 fat-i386.img
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| 15:31 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 950M 2011-09-03 18:46 i386.img
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| 15:31 | i can delete the i386 right
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| 15:31 | <alkisg> Maybe you're having dhcp/pxelinux problems then, and you're sending the wrong chroot
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| 15:32 | I.e. maybe you're sending i386 instead of fat-i386
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| 15:32 | <TheMatrix3000> let me check
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| 15:32 | <alkisg> ls /opt/ltsp/fat-i386/etc/ltsp_fat_chroot
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| 15:32 | Is that file there?
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| 15:32 | <TheMatrix3000> /opt/ltsp/fat-i386
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| 15:32 | <alkisg> If so, then yes you're sending the wrong chroot
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| 15:32 | *the wrong image
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| 15:33 | <TheMatrix3000> yea
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| 15:33 | its there
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| 15:33 | but the netboot is sending /opt/ltsp/fat-i386 as the image
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| 15:33 | <alkisg> So, check your inetd.conf, dhcpd.conf, and pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 15:33 | <TheMatrix3000> root-path: /opt/ltsp/fat-i386
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| 15:33 | <obrienmd> alkisg: can I use nbdroot along with nbdname?
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| 15:33 | <alkisg> TheMatrix3000: root-path is for Debian, for NFS
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| 15:33 | It's not used in Ubuntu
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| 15:33 | <TheMatrix3000> next-server 192.168.2.12 filename ltsp/fat-i386/pxelinux.0
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| 15:34 | <obrienmd> alkisg: say, nbdroot=1.2.3.4:10809 nmdname=img_name
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| 15:34 | <alkisg> obrienmd: errr are you using oneiric?
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| 15:34 | <obrienmd> yes
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| 15:34 | beta 2
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| 15:34 | sorry should have said that :)
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| 15:35 | <alkisg> I haven't looked into that much yet, try nbdserver=ip and nbdname only
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| 15:35 | No need to specify ports when you're using names
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| 15:35 | <obrienmd> ok
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| 15:35 | so nbdserver rather than nbdroot
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| 15:35 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 15:35 | <obrienmd> i think i may have tried that last night, but will confirm
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| 15:38 | <alkisg> Hmmm I no longer see nbdserver in the code
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| 15:41 | <TheMatrix3000> alkisg, should i just build a new image?
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| 15:41 | <alkisg> obrienmd: try this too: nbdroot=server:ip NBD_ROOT_NAME=name
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| 15:42 | TheMatrix3000: no, you should fix the above files to contain correct settings
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| 15:42 | inetd.conf, dhcpd.conf, pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 15:42 | <TheMatrix3000> they are correct
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| 15:42 | <alkisg> Put them in pastebin if you need help
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| 15:42 | <obrienmd> alkisg: thanks, will try
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| 15:42 | <TheMatrix3000> dhcpd runs on pfsense
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| 15:42 | and has the same config as before
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| 15:42 | and has worked for the past year
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| 15:42 | <alkisg> Well, before you had i386, right?
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| 15:42 | So you're just still using thin clients
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| 15:42 | <TheMatrix3000> yea like 6 months ago
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| 15:43 | now its fat-i386
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| 15:43 | and still is i just had to rebuild the image today
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| 15:43 | cause the image was corrupted after an updat
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| 15:43 | <alkisg> TheMatrix3000: on the localxterm, do: cat /proc/cmdline
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| 15:43 | Paste that here
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| 15:43 | Then, paste your /etc/inetd.conf in pastebin
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| 15:44 | (we mostly care about the nbdport of the command line)
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| 15:46 | <TheMatrix3000> http://pastebin.com/CaQhb28y
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| 15:47 | http://pastebin.com/TPEdCKjZ
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| 15:47 | <alkisg> 2000 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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| 15:47 | So you're serving the i386.img to the client
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| 15:48 | <TheMatrix3000> ah, wow
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| 15:48 | <alkisg> Just fix your inetd.conf to point to fat-i386
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| 15:48 | <TheMatrix3000> that's retarded
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| 15:48 | k
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| 15:48 | <alkisg> And restart openbsd-inetd
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| 15:49 | <TheMatrix3000> ok restarted, testing now
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| 15:50 | um now thin clients aren't able to hit the tftp
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| 15:50 | oh there we go
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| 15:52 | <alkisg> Tip: when you have some free time, remove i386 from everywhere, rename fat-i386 to i386, and run: sudo ltsp-update-image --force
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| 15:52 | <TheMatrix3000> k
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| 15:52 | <alkisg> The --force part updates $CHROOT/boot/pxelinux.cfg/default too, so that you don't have problems on other updates
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| 16:09 | <TheMatrix3000> alkisg, where else should I look?
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| 16:09 | for i386 that i need to delete
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| 16:15 | <TheMatrix3000> fat clients aren't getting the dns servers by DHCP?
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| 16:15 | but they are getting an ip
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| 16:15 | and the windows computers on the network are fune
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| 16:15 | fine* as well as non fat clients
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| 18:13 | <TheMatrix3000> http://pastebin.com/Z13B7jsL
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| 18:13 | would that work to make fat clients use the proxy
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| 19:06 | <m4xx> where can i find up to date info about setting up a kiosk station?
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| 19:24 | <TheMatrix3000> Does this look right http://pastebin.com/Z13B7jsL ?
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| 19:31 | <roasted> whats up guys
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| 19:32 | <roasted> finally got a powerpc machine running ubuntu 10.04 so I can make a chroot and get it going
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| 19:32 | problem is its erroring out to build the image
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| 19:33 | I've tried --arch powerpc, --arch ppc, and just ltsp-build-client by itself. all 3 error out
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| 19:33 | <m4xx> what is the error?
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| 19:33 | <roasted> saying couldnt download dists lucid main binary-powerpc packages. error - ltsp client installation ended abnormally
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| 19:33 | dists/lucid/main/binary-powerpc/packages
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| 19:33 | to be exact
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| 19:35 | my goal was to set up ltsp on a powerpc mac so I can make the chroot and copy it, then plop it on a power moreful amd/intel server and utilize the ppc chroot with ppc clients.
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| 19:35 | so I can have a mixed environment - dell server with powerpc imac clients
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| 19:35 | <m4xx> im not sure that you have to jump through all those hoops
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| 19:36 | <roasted> I was told I had to do the chroot on a powerpc machine so I can build the chroot
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| 19:36 | <m4xx> i believe you should just be able to build the client on the server you've already got set up
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| 19:36 | perhaps i'm wrong
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| 19:36 | <roasted> I was told that wasn't the case...
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| 19:36 | at least in ubuntu
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| 19:36 | some other distros with better powerpc support (aka debian) would have had less of an issue with it
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| 19:36 | but that reliability wise I should just build it on a powerpc system so I can have a true legit chroot
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| 19:36 | then copy it over and call it a day
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| 19:37 | <m4xx> have you at least tried it?
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| 19:37 | <roasted> but alas I can't even copy the darn thing :(
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| 19:37 | oh yes. the mac is right here.
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| 19:37 | <m4xx> no i mean on the server itself
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| 19:37 | <roasted> I didnt bother since I read from dozens of sources it wasnt possible in ubuntu
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| 19:37 | but nonetheless I have a mac system here that cant build the chroot...
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| 19:40 | <vagrantc> roasted: i thinnk powerpc isn't an officially supported architecture on ubuntu and you need to specify alternate mirrors
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| 19:40 | <roasted> vagrantc: you're right, it's not officially supported anymore on ubuntu.
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| 19:40 | vagrantc: how exactly would I specify alternate mirrors?
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| 19:40 | <vagrantc> so you need to tell ltsp-build-client what to use ...
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| 19:41 | ltsp-build-client --extra-help | grep mirror
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| 19:41 | <roasted> as in --arch?
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| 19:41 | <m4xx> vagrantc: can you give me a link to where i can read more about kiosk setups? i see the --kiosk option for the build client, but i'm not sure where to set up the default url n such
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| 19:42 | <vagrantc> i don't know much about kiosk setups
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| 19:42 | i did port the ubuntu code over to something more generic for debian
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| 19:42 | but that was probably years ago and maay very well be broken now
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| 19:42 | <roasted> so I have to set the mirror as part of the build-client command?
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| 19:43 | <TheMatrix3000> ok, for some reason when i run an ltsp-update-image -a fat-i386 it just sits there at creating 4.0 filesystem
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| 19:43 | <TheMatrix3000> woohoo there we go
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| 19:46 | <TheMatrix3000> slower than mollasses though
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| 19:47 | alkisg: now that I removed all the previous can I make a new image with i386 as the name and everything, and then update and build that image?
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| 19:47 | <alkisg> TheMatrix3000: you mean you removed everything under /opt/ltsp ?
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| 19:47 | <TheMatrix3000> yes, the i386 stuff
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| 19:48 | <alkisg> Then sure you can create a new one
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| 19:48 | <TheMatrix3000> and i can have the fat client use opt/ltsp/i386
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| 19:48 | <alkisg> There are some tricks in the wiki page about speeding up fat clients
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| 19:48 | !fatclients
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| 19:48 | <ltsp> alkisg: fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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| 19:49 | <alkisg> You only need 1 chroot for both thin and fat clients, /opt/ltsp/i386 should suffice for all, yes
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| 19:49 | <TheMatrix3000> ok awesome
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| 19:49 | <roasted> I wonder if this is a zipped up ppc chroot that I can use?
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| 19:49 | https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/wiki/PPCClientHOWTO
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| 19:49 | <m4xx> !kiosk
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| 19:49 | <ltsp> m4xx: I do not know about 'kiosk', but I do know about these similar topics: 'kiosk-lucid'
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| 19:50 | <m4xx> !kiosk-lucid
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| 19:50 | <ltsp> m4xx: kiosk-lucid: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/572974
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| 19:50 | <vagrantc> roasted: just specify your mirrors
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| 19:50 | or use a distro that actually supports powerpc :)
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| 19:51 | <roasted> vagrantc: that would help, if I knew how to do that. I'm not seeing anything in this help page so far.
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| 19:51 | --mirror, okay fine
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| 19:51 | then what?
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| 19:51 | I have 60 seconds left on this download... soooo....
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| 19:51 | if this works I'll be a happy camper ;)
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| 19:51 | <m4xx> alkisg: any chance you can point me to some detailed info about customizing a --kiosk setup?
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| 19:52 | <alkisg> m4xx: I think the best place is the irclogs in the /topic
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| 19:52 | Which distro?
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| 19:52 | (and version?)
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| 19:52 | <m4xx> ubuntu server 10.04
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| 19:52 | <alkisg> There are a couple of bugs in the kiosk plugin but nothing too much
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| 19:52 | <vagrantc> roasted: while it's technically possible to use a different distro, that comes with a lot of consequences...
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| 19:53 | <alkisg> A file missing, a patch that needs applying etc
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| 19:53 | <vagrantc> roasted: though most of which you'll already suffer by doing cross-architecture...
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| 19:53 | <roasted> vagrantc: I know. this is just a little experiment that I have zero hope in, BUT, if it works, we could save some serious tax payer dollars.
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| 19:53 | <vagrantc> roasted: look in your powerpc machine's /etc/apt/sources.list for what mirrors you need to use
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| 19:53 | <alkisg> m4xx: start by just running the ltsp-build-client --kiosk command, and then when you hit the bugs search in the logs to solve them one by one
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| 19:53 | Or just ask again
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| 19:53 | <roasted> vagrantc: sounds good. to be honest I want to try this tarball first. it sounds like someone just built the chroot and hosted it to avoid having to install it on ppc machines like I already did.
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| 19:53 | <vagrantc> roasted: and then specify with --mirror URL and maybe --security-mirror URL and maybe --updates-mirror URL ...
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| 19:54 | <m4xx> alkisg, i've already successfully built the chroot with out any errors
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| 19:54 | i know i have to set screen_07 to kiosk
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| 19:54 | <vagrantc> roasted: i don't know what --mirror related arguments ubuntu uses
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| 19:54 | <m4xx> i'm just unsure of how to set the default url
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| 19:54 | <roasted> vagrantc: so I'm supposed to use the update mirror that this exact 10.04 PPC box is using?
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| 19:55 | <vagrantc> roasted: well, whatever mirrors it's using work for powerpc ... so it's not a half-bad idea
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| 19:55 | <roasted> vagrantc: why wouldnt it do that by default, if that's the case?
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| 19:55 | why wouldn't it use already established system mirrors?
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| 19:56 | <vagrantc> there may even be --copy-sourceslist
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| 19:56 | roasted: because it still needs to know the default mirror in a different format
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| 19:56 | so you could probably do: --mirror URL --copy-sourceslist ...
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| 19:56 | <alkisg> m4xx: Do you get a browser on the client? If not, did you put the kiosksession missing file?
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| 19:57 | <m4xx> hmm
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| 19:57 | <alkisg> m4xx: you can set the URL in KIOSK_OPTIONS, afaik
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| 19:57 | <m4xx> ah, i think that's what i'm looking for,
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| 19:57 | now i have 2 directories in my tftp/tsp dir
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| 19:58 | i386 and kiosk
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| 19:58 | what would be the proper way to do this? do i modify ltsp/dhcpd.conf ?
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| 19:58 | <vagrantc> maybe copy-sourceslist is a sane default, although i definitely routinely use different sources on the server than the thin client chroots i'm building ... different versions of the OS, usually.
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| 19:58 | <m4xx> to boot to the kiosk chroot?
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| 19:58 | <alkisg> m4xx: Do you want all your clients to boot with kiosk? Or only some of them? And how? By mac address? With a menu?
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| 19:58 | Lots of methods/options...
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| 19:59 | <m4xx> no, only 1 client
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| 19:59 | the rest will get the default i386 chroot
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| 19:59 | hmm
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| 20:00 | that's true, i could have a menu in the boot process cant i
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| 20:00 | <alkisg> Then do it from your dhcpd.conf or from pxelinux.cfg/01-mac-address
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| 20:03 | * alkisg reboots to windows after months, to try "ltsp server in a vbox appliance" :) | |
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| 20:03 | <alkisg> If that works fast, it'll be the easiest way ever to migrate schools to ltsp fat clients... just install vbox, copy appliance, ready
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| 20:03 | <roasted> vagrantc: this damn thing errored out when I untar'd it. time for some mirror commands...
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| 20:05 | actually I might be on to something...
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| 20:05 | <alkisg> roasted: the chroot doesn't have to be the same distro as your server, why don't you try with debian?
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| 20:06 | <roasted> well, I COULD. except I already have an ubuntu install on a PPC machine.
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| 20:06 | figured I'd at least give it a shot. ya know?
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| 20:06 | <alkisg> What does it have in its /etc/sources.list ?
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| 20:07 | <roasted> as far as what eactly?
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| 20:07 | its of course a lot listed
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| 20:07 | <alkisg> !pastebin
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| 20:07 | <ltsp> alkisg: pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 20:07 | <roasted> looks like the regular sources.list I'm used to seeing
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| 20:07 | hang on...
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| 20:09 | http://pastebin.com/DcbSx2S2
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| 20:09 | <alkisg> And, does this work? sudo mkdir -p /opt/ltsp/powerpc; sudo debootstrap lucid /opt/ltsp/powerpc
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| 20:10 | http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/lucid/main/binary-powerpc/ => it seems to be there
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| 20:11 | <roasted> one second, I'm going to test boot this ibook to see if it works iwth this chroot I just got from that site above...
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| 20:29 | <TheMatrix3000> damnit
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| 20:29 | the gnome panel issue again
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| 20:35 | where would i put a command to be ran once the thin client starts
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| 20:37 | <Hyperbyte> TheMatrix3000, when exactly do you want the command to run?
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| 20:43 | <TheMatrix3000> gnome-panel
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| 20:43 | as a fix cause with 11.04 with fat clients some systems have issues with gnome panel starting up
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| 20:44 | we discussed this before but I lost my logs, and forgot the solution
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| 20:44 | !logs
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| 20:44 | <ltsp> TheMatrix3000: I do not know about 'logs', but I do know about these similar topics: 'ldm', 'ltsp'
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| 20:44 | <TheMatrix3000> !logs
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| 20:44 | <ltsp> TheMatrix3000: I do not know about 'logs', but I do know about these similar topics: 'ldm', 'ltsp'
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| 20:44 | <TheMatrix3000> !ltsp
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| 20:44 | <ltsp> TheMatrix3000: ltsp: LTSP is the Linux Terminal Server Project, the open source thin client solution. You can find it at http://www.ltsp.org
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| 20:44 | <TheMatrix3000> !motd
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| 20:44 | <ltsp> TheMatrix3000: Error: "motd" is not a valid command.
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| 20:44 | <TheMatrix3000> !topic
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| 20:44 | <ltsp> TheMatrix3000: I do not know about 'topic', but I do know about these similar topics: 'topics'
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| 20:46 | <TheMatrix3000> ok looking through the logs to see what i can find
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| 20:56 | <TheMatrix3000> !gnome-panel
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| 20:56 | <ltsp> TheMatrix3000: gnome-panel: to completely reset gnome-panels: gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel && killall gnome-panel
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| 20:57 | <TheMatrix3000> !gnome-panel-failure
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| 20:57 | <ltsp> TheMatrix3000: Error: "gnome-panel-failure" is not a valid command.
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| 21:00 | <vagrantc> !topics
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| 21:00 | <ltsp> vagrantc: topics: To get a list of topics, type ltspbot: factoids search --values
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| 21:00 | <vagrantc> ltsp: factoids search --values
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| 21:01 | lot of good that did.
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