IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 20 October 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:38 | <kusznir> Just tried building the image on my "plain old natty" server, and it too fails to boot. What I see is the thin client kernel boots, but at the end of the kernel, the screen just goes black and does nothing else.
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| 00:39 | This is now my 3rd hardware/ubuntu version that has failed. So far, the only working system is an old ubuntu 9.10 install.
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| 05:07 | <alkisg> kusznir: "I tried running ltsp-install-client on my 10.10 machine to install a natty image" => did you mean ltsp-build-client? And, natty is 11.04, which one do you mean, maverick or natty?
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| 13:30 | <knipwim> !alkisg
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| 13:30 | <ltsp> knipwim: alkisg: The LTSP oracle. Our beacon of hope in the world of LTSP. With the guidance of this divine emperor, we shall prevail.
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| 13:36 | <cliebow> even better we shall meet him next week
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| 13:48 | <andygraybeal> nice, beacon of hope :)
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| 13:48 | hey guys.
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| 13:57 | <jason___> hello!
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| 13:58 | <andygraybeal> heya jason___
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| 13:59 | <jason___> whats new
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| 14:03 | <andygraybeal> ah nothing man, i'm trying to get zentyal's zarafa install to have calendar based schedulable resources.
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| 14:03 | <jason___> zentyal... the new age ebox, right?
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| 14:03 | <andygraybeal> i don' understand what i'm doing and it's frustrating.
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| 14:03 | yea, corrrect.
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| 14:04 | it seems i'm not as bright as i'd like.
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| 14:06 | <jason___> I tried zentyal once
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| 14:06 | just for home-level samba stuff
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| 14:06 | but for what I was doing it was easier to just use the system-config-samba utility
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| 14:07 | sure, it has like 4 options built in and that's it, but it's all I need @ home
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| 14:07 | add user - add share - set access list - apply
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| 14:23 | <andygraybeal> yea, well it's helpful
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| 14:23 | to me at least.
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| 14:23 | for me.. the mail is the biggest asset. i have such a hard time understanding postfix..
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| 14:24 | zentyal takes the pain of postfix out of the picture.
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| 14:24 | it also presents pain in other ways though.. it's like the less of some evils.
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| 14:40 | <andygraybeal> i've asked before and the answer was 'that's just the way X behaves" - but i'm gonna ask it again just in case - i have enabled the one-login-allowed rule in LTS.CONF and when i'm logged into console 12, then i switch to login to console 11, when it logs me out of 12 the computer automatically switches over to console 12 and it looks like i'm at a login screen. this is confusing my users and they think they haven't logged in because they do
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| 14:41 | n't realize they should switch back to console 11. i hope this example makes some kind of sense.
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| 14:41 | is there a way to have it not automatically switch over to the console that was just logged out?
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| 15:18 | <xsl> good afternoon, is a client-side card SD card reader supported on LTSP ?
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| 15:19 | s/card SD card/ SD card
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| 15:19 | <andygraybeal> yes
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| 15:19 | <xsl> if its not mounting automatically who can i troubleshoot it?
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| 15:19 | *how
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| 15:19 | USB pens work with no problem
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| 15:20 | <andygraybeal> yea, i don't know that.. sometimes ours works and sometimes it doesn't..
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| 15:21 | some pen drives work, and some don't - i don't know what the deal is and i havent' spent any time with it iether - so it would do me some good to find out along with you.
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| 15:21 | i do know that a certain file system isn't supported - i can't recall what file system this is.
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| 15:24 | <xsl> ty for your help
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| 15:27 | <andygraybeal> yea, sorry it's not much - if you hang out i'm sure someone with real knowledge will assist.
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| 15:28 | i do know that you can run a local terminal on the client.. and do the what is it called.. the command that shows the things loaded since the milliscond the computer came on.
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| 15:29 | <xsl> yes using ltsp-localapps or someting
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| 15:31 | <andygraybeal> yes.
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| 15:39 | <kusznir> clarification on my request yesterday: I'm trying to get an updated ltsp server to take over for serving up my thin client images. My current production system is ubuntu 9.10, which is no longer supported. I wish to retire this VM soon. My "main" server is natty (10.04), and is serving up remote clients who connect to it. My thin clients are booted from my 9.10 box, but the lts.conf specifies natty as the default server.
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| 15:41 | To ease future transitions and make rebooting the terminal server easier (as people more often do "bad things" on it requiring reboot), I wanted to have a 3rd vm that does nothing but serve up the thin client images. This vm is a 10.10 base os (i386 install). I tried making an ltsp client of that OS (10.10; the default), but that didn't boot my thin clients. So on the 10.10 machine, I ran the build client script specifying natty (11.04) as my O
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| 15:41 | S and tried that. It too failed to boot.
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| 15:42 | <kusznir> So finally, on my natty terminal server (11.04; sorry for getting the version wrong in my first message), I ran the build client script (specifying the arch as i386), and tried to boot that. It too failed.
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| 15:43 | I was changing the dhcp settings as approprate to point to the server under test. I confirmed that pxe booting was properly happening. I edited the pxelinux.cfg/default script to turn off quiet and splash, and did properly see the changes indicating I was editing the correct file and all the pxe stuff was happening.
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| 15:44 | The client symptoms are: successfull pxe boot, kernel loads, then the screen goes black. alt-f1 (or ctl-alt-f1) or -f2 or f<*> all had no effect. As far as I can tell, the machine had hard-locked at that point.
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| 15:44 | 9.10 boots fine on them all, but no other version will boot.
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| 15:47 | <andygraybeal> omg complex :)
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| 15:52 | so to be clear, do you have two dhcp servers on the network?
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| 15:52 | oh you know what!!1
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| 15:52 | i got it i got it!
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| 15:52 | you need to remove.. what the hell is that evil program called..
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| 15:53 | it's the 3d screen frillines... i keep wanting to say beryl.. but that's wrong.
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| 15:53 | compiz
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| 15:53 | i bet compiz is giving you greif.
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| 15:53 | grief
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| 15:54 | alkisg, has this l33t one liner to handle it, or possible just removing compiz with apt-get remove would work.
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| 15:54 | just as a warning, i wouldn't necessarily listen to anything i have to say.
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| 15:55 | someimes i feel like i'm just the crzy guy in the corner muttering things.
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| 15:58 | <knipwim> !compiz
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| 15:58 | <ltsp> knipwim: compiz: the default window manager in gnome is gnome-wm, which automatically chooses compiz if it thinks that the card supports it. Compiz is causing login problems to some clients (LP #673072). To disable it, see !disable_compiz. To restore it, see !restore_compiz
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| 15:59 | <andygraybeal> !disable_compiz
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| 15:59 | <ltsp> andygraybeal: disable_compiz: To disable compiz for all users, run: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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| 15:59 | <andygraybeal> yes, look at that :) it's perfect.
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| 15:59 | kusznir, yuo still there?
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| 16:03 | <jammcq> alkisg: ping
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| 16:04 | <alkisg> Hi jammcq
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| 16:04 | <jammcq> shouldn't you be on a plane?
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| 16:05 | <alkisg> Nah, not yet, tomorrow
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| 16:05 | (hopefully)
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| 16:05 | <jammcq> oh right, today is only thursday
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| 16:05 | <alkisg> I arrive tomorrow night at NYC
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| 16:05 | 9:00 or so
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| 16:07 | <jammcq> ah
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| 16:07 | direct flight?
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| 16:07 | <alkisg> Via Rome
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| 16:07 | <jammcq> ah
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| 16:08 | Leonardo Davinci airport ?
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| 16:08 | <alkisg> In Rome? No idea! In NYC, JFK
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| 16:08 | I only arrive 1.5h earlier at Thessaloniki, I hope that's enough for the checkin...
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| 16:08 | <jammcq> hope so
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| 16:35 | <ogra_> isnt that a week early or does greece save on fule too now ?
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| 16:35 | *fuel
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| 16:43 | * alkisg took the opportunity to see the big apple for a week :) (although the strikes cut me 2 days) | |
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| 16:49 | <jason___> alkisg: you're coming to NYC tomorrow?
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| 17:17 | <alkisg> jason___: yup, are you at NYC?
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| 17:27 | <jason___> alkisg: no, I'm in southern PA (the state just below new york)
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| 17:27 | you should come down so I can pay up my severe beer debt to ya :P
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| 17:34 | <andygraybeal> ah, jason___what part, east or west?
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| 17:35 | i'm southeastern ohio.. not that you care.. i guess. but there it is.
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| 17:37 | <jason___> east
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| 17:37 | Lancaster ;)
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| 17:38 | <andygraybeal> nice :) i've been to eastern PA to learn about sharpening knives.
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| 17:38 | <jason___> alkisg: along with paying up my beer debt I could also show you what LTSP installs I've done thanks to your help via IRC from thousands of miles away.
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| 17:38 | :P
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| 17:39 | <alkisg> jason___: hehe, a whole state sounds like a long way though, isn't it? :)
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| 17:40 | <jason___> alkisg: wow, I'm surprised.
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| 17:41 | I thought it would be a ton of time (8 hours or more)
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| 17:41 | google maps says just shy over 3 hours driving
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| 17:41 | <alkisg> Unfortunately I won't have my car with me :)
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| 17:41 | <jason___> looks like NYC is very very south in new york, that may be why
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| 17:41 | <alkisg> I'll even be in brooklyn the first days, even souther
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| 17:42 | <jason___> alkisg: if you end up pioneering teleportation technology before that time, by all means let me know and I'll make myself available :P
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| 17:43 | <alkisg> Hehe, nah, I have that programmed for my next phd :P
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| 17:44 | vagrantc: epoptes 0.3.0 runs fine in my wheezy box, if you ever want to have a look for giving us packaging feedback, sponshoring etc, http://www.epoptes.org
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| 17:44 | <vagrantc> alkisg: will do... sometime... someday :)
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| 17:45 | actually, if i could interest freegeek's education "department" in it, i could probably work on it sooner
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| 17:45 | alkisg: think it will be backportable, or doe sit rely on newish features?
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| 17:45 | <alkisg> I think it runs on Squeeze too
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| 17:45 | Not sure about Lenny, python/gtk there is too old
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| 17:46 | <vagrantc> squeeze would be good
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| 17:46 | <alkisg> I've a PPA with squeeze packages, but no squeeze box to try them
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| 17:46 | (I'm using the oneiric ppa for wheezy and the lucid ppa for squeeze, where the python versions match)
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| 17:47 | vagrantc: if I work at your comments at BTS, and have it ready quite soon, how long would it take to reach testing? Is it possible to have it until e.g. January, so that it also gets to Ubuntu 12.04?
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| 17:48 | If not, I'd better ask highvoltage to sponshor it separately for Precise... :)
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| 17:49 | <vagrantc> alkisg: NEW processinng has been really fast lately ... i'd guess 2-3 weeks from the upload, presuming we sort out all licensing and technical issues
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| 17:49 | <alkisg> Ah, cool!
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| 17:49 | OK, take a look at the code whenever you have time, and I'll promptly fix any issues you find
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| 17:50 | All the code + the packaging is at launchpad, there are links at the epoptes.org site
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| 17:50 | Btw, do you advice GPL2 or 3? We're currently using 3, but without any special reason...
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| 17:50 | <highvoltage> alkisg, vagrantc: any chance that we could co-maintain the package?
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| 17:50 | <andygraybeal> what is the latest version of LTSP that is in the works?
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| 17:51 | <highvoltage> alkisg: personally I like to choose the least restrictive licensing when possible
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| 17:51 | * alkisg doesn't have any problem at all with that :) | |
| 17:51 | <alkisg> Ah, GPL2+ then?
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| 17:51 | <highvoltage> alkisg: imho, yes. perhaps vagrantc has some other views.
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| 17:57 | <alkisg> I think remote client logout doesn't work on LXDE currently, while on Gnome, KDE and XFCE it should be OK
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| 17:57 | I'll put a `pkill lxsession` there at some lxde dev's advice...
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| 17:59 | andygraybeal: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/changes
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| 17:59 | version 5.2.18
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| 17:59 | <andygraybeal> thanks man
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| 18:00 | i thought we were on 5.4 :)
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| 18:13 | <andygraybeal> oh man, i just had a cool idea - a keyboard that has led's above the function keys denoting what console is currently active!\
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| 18:15 | <dberkholz> why not make it easy and just put the led in the key.
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| 18:15 | my thinkpad has a light right in the middle of the mute button
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| 18:15 | <andygraybeal> dberkholz, that'sf ine too
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| 18:16 | i wasn't distinguishing necessarily anything outside that, but just some type of indicator on or near the keys, representing the current virtual console. :)
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| 18:45 | <vagrantc> alkisg: the biggest problem with GPLv2 is it's disturbing termination clause
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| 18:45 | alkisg: for that reason alone, i'd recommend v3
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| 18:45 | <alkisg> vagrantc: ah cool so we leave it GPL3 then
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| 18:45 | I think 1-2 files have GPL2 in their headers by mistake, we'll update those too
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| 18:47 | <vagrantc> alkisg: with v3, it's possible to regain permission to use/distribute/modify/etc when you come back into compliance, whereas with GPLv2 you'd have to contact each individual author and ask their permission to re-use the license
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| 18:48 | which is... a nightmare
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| 18:48 | and could be as simple as accidentally not posting the source to a patched binary
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| 18:48 | <alkisg> Fortunately at this point only 2 devs have contributed code, so it's easy to make changes
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| 18:49 | (another 2 at sch-scripts, but we don't use those parts in epoptes)
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| 19:00 | <jason___> it's funny how things change
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| 19:00 | I used to dump 900 on a pc without flinching
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| 19:00 | I just spent 320 on a HTPC build with an i3 base along with a GT 440 graphics card and Im having a panic attack
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| 19:44 | <cliebow> jammcq:knipwin would like tokick a little money into the conference..how woyuld he do so?
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| 19:45 | knipwin:jammcq is your man.project leader of sorts..
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| 19:59 | <markit> hi, I ask here because probably you have much more experience with old hardware. I've a PIV laptop with nvidia card, kubuntu 11.10 (or 10.04, same problem) and the cursor has a bad shape (random points on it) and a sort of "tail" with random points too
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| 19:59 | any idea?
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| 20:18 | <alkisg> markit: man nouveau, try Option "HWCursor" "boolean" (set it to false)
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| 20:19 | Also try setting "nomodeset", this disables nouveau and the slow vesa driver is used, but it shouldn't have those cursor problems
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| 20:19 | !nomodeset
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| 20:19 | <ltsp> alkisg: nomodeset: Unfortunately, Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) doesn't work well with some cards. To disable it, open /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default and replace "quiet splash" with "nomodeset".
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| 20:19 | <markit> alkisg: I had hard times in the past with xorg.conf... don't even remember how device section has to be filled
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| 20:20 | <alkisg> There's support for setting xorg options in ltsp
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| 20:20 | <markit> alkisg: is not a ltsp client, is a laptop of a teacher
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| 20:20 | <alkisg> Ah
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| 20:20 | Did you install the nvidia drivers?
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| 20:20 | <markit> NO, only nouveau, I do hate proprietary stuff, you know :)
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| 20:21 | <alkisg> Erm, there's a reason proprietary drivers exist, you know :D
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| 20:21 | It's called "I don't want to have mouse trails" :P
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| 20:21 | <markit> hahaha
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| 20:21 | with radeon amd everything is fine, with intel also
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| 20:21 | so hope nvidia will change, or bankrupt
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| 20:22 | <alkisg> Catalyst still is 10 times faster than radeon, though
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| 20:22 | <markit> (also "optimus" tecnology is not supported by linux, so if you buy a laptop with it, does not work)
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| 20:22 | I don't care about speed, is fast enough
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| 20:22 | <markit> don't want proprietary stuff here
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| 20:23 | <alkisg> markit: well, your other option is to go in #ubuntu-x or in #nouveau and try to convince the devs there to fix your problem :P
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| 20:23 | OK try with the hwcursor xorg option
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| 20:23 | <markit> yep, as soon as I discover what to put in the "device" key
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| 20:23 | but xterm has ALL the writing wrong
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| 20:23 | so is not only a cursor problem
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| 20:23 | (but the most urgent to fix is it)
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| 20:23 | <alkisg> ? what do you mean? can you take a screenshot?
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| 20:23 | <markit> or I can try vesa
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| 20:24 | well, is easy to imagin
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| 20:24 | (I can)
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| 20:24 | just take away random pixels
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| 20:24 | and put also some
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| 20:24 | let's see if the screenshot has the same problem
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| 20:24 | <alkisg> Ah, I've seen that when plymouth had problems with the VT
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| 20:25 | <markit> ehm, VT?
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| 20:25 | <alkisg> I don't know how to disable plymouth without also disabling kms, though...
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| 20:26 | Try removing quiet splash, or putting vga=xxx in the kernel command line, maybe plymouth will go away :D
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| 20:26 | <markit> ok, thanks :)
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| 20:26 | <alkisg> markit: ok, first try: reboot the laptop, press "e" in grub, and replace "quiet splash" with "nomodeset"
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| 20:26 | * markit googling about plymouth | |
| 20:26 | <alkisg> That should give you vesa
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| 20:26 | <markit> great, you know that I need "monkey howto"
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| 20:26 | hold on
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| 20:28 | btw, last parameter of that line is vt.handoff=7
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| 20:28 | just in case is the same vt you were referring to
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| 20:28 | and has some relevance
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| 20:29 | <alkisg> It's relevant, but it won't matter if you remove that afaik, it's just the vt number where plymouth hands over graphics to X
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| 20:30 | <markit> btw, how to exit from the grub editor?
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| 20:30 | <alkisg> ctrl+x, I think
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| 20:30 | <markit> ok
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| 20:30 | <alkisg> But really, the road to true foss passes through proprietary software.... do install the nvidia drivers, the teacher will feel much better about his gnu/linux box then :)
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| 20:32 | <markit> no way :)
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| 20:32 | btw, now th ecursor is perfect, just the image is bigger than the screen
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| 20:33 | <alkisg> If you run `xvinfo`, does it say "no adaptors present"?
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| 20:33 | <markit> mmm 1024x768 is good, but the former was sharper
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| 20:33 | let me try
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| 20:34 | <alkisg> Ah there was another problem with ubuntu and nouveau, let me find it in my notes...
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| 20:34 | <markit> yep
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| 20:34 | (btw, strange very small fonts in the terminal, sigh)
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| 20:34 | <alkisg> markit: reboot and go to grub again, and now replace "quiet splash" with "video=nouveau"
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| 20:34 | <markit> ok
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| 20:37 | same bad cursor
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| 20:38 | <alkisg> OK, try the cursor and NoAccel options in you xorg.conf
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| 20:38 | 'night all
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| 20:38 | <markit> alkisg: thanks a lot, bye
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| 23:01 | <andygraybeal> i'm in a brain melting meeting. i started at 3pm EST.. it's now 7pm.. and and we're only halfway done.
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| 23:01 | i don't want ot be here, everyone is miserable with each other.
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| 23:01 | this is great.
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| 23:01 | hopefully you guys are talking about something intersting :P
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| 23:02 | we almost passed some kind of proposal that would make someone resign their position and someone else was almost in tears because she felt that it was a personal attack.
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| 23:02 | this is awful.
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