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| 09:09 | <rm-rf> i have a site that is running ltsp for their service writers and mechanics
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| 09:09 | the owner has asked me if it is possible to transfer sessions
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| 09:10 | example: he's logged into machineA, and when he logs into machineB he wants his desktop and all the apps that were opened on machineA to show up, as well as have machineA log out so someone else can use it
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| 09:10 | should i tell him to take a flying leap, or is this remotely possible?
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| 09:20 | <alkisg> rm-rf: with ltsp, no. With freenx or vnc, sure.
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| 09:20 | And of course you could use both of them.
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| 09:20 | (i.e. ltsp + freenx)
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| 12:51 | <Ahmuck> rm-rf: should change his nic
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| 12:51 | or hers
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| 12:55 | <vagrantc> i'm pondering tagging a new ldm version today...
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| 13:06 | <stgraber> vagrantc: please do, I'll need it too
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| 13:07 | I'll also tag ltsp-trunk again to have that last fix I pushed, so if someone has something to push, please do it now ;)
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| 13:07 | that'll likely be the final ltsp and ldm for Karmic
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| 13:08 | <vagrantc> stgraber: i haven't done any test builds, so if you juts want to go ahead and tag, that'd be fine too
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| 13:24 | <stgraber> vagrantc: I have test packages for both in my PPA if you want to test
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| 13:26 | <vagrantc> stgraber: well, i have no urgent need to upload, so i'll do a test with my own processes.
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| 13:34 | <silver_hook> Hi. I've been wondering about 3D and LTSP and/or thin clients in general ...I know that the LTSP server (or X client) is the one which handles the CPU and RAM, but what about the graphics?
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| 13:34 | E.g. is it possible to run 3D applications on LTSP clients and if so, which box needs the powerful graphic card.
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| 13:36 | <vagrantc> thin client is where the graphics card matters
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| 13:36 | the server's graphics card is un-used.
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| 13:36 | at least from an LTSP perspective
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| 13:39 | <silver_hook> vagrantc: Sooo, if I wanted to run 3D apps on LTSP, the set up should be such that the LTSP server doesn't need any graphic card whatsoever, but a decent enough CPU and RAM ...and on the thin client side I need neither disk nor a powerful CPU or RAM, but a decent enough graphic card.
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| 13:39 | Right?
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| 13:40 | <vagrantc> i don't know if there's anything unusual about 3D apps.
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| 13:41 | the server just displays to the thin-client's hardware.
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| 13:43 | <silver_hook> Do you happen to know if anyone successfully did something similar? Just as a heavy use case, would it be possible to play 3D games on thin clients with decent 3D cards but otherwise old hardware if the LTSP server was powerful enough?
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| 13:44 | <vagrantc> in theory, sure. but i don't really know anything about 3D apps.
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| 13:46 | <johnny> silver_hook, you're not going to get super good performance unless you use local apps.. which will require higher cpu and ram on the client
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| 13:46 | as you're be transferring 3d over the network
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| 13:47 | or rather graphics..but still..
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| 13:52 | <silver_hook> johnny: "super good performance" qualifies as what?
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| 13:55 | <johnny> decent framerates?
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| 13:58 | <silver_hook> johnny: Meaning that a stock thin client would work with not-ultra-high-settings on e.g. Nexuiz to be usable?
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| 14:00 | <johnny> i have no idea
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| 14:00 | you'll just have to try
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| 14:05 | <silver_hook> Hmm, when I get the time I'll probably do. Although the thin clients that I have access to are made from waste HW :\
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| 14:05 | Thanks for explaining .]
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| 14:05 | :]
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| 14:08 | <tstafford_> we use eeebox for thin clients... and they do quite ok running all the compiz effects and stuff
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| 14:12 | <vagrantc> stgraber: so, if i select shutdown from the gnome logout menu, it should actually shut down the thin-client with the new ldm?
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| 14:12 | <stgraber> if you have the right .desktop files in your /usr/share/applications on the thin client, yes
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| 14:12 | <vagrantc> ah.
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| 14:12 | <stgraber> I basically have a ltsp-shutdown.desktop and ltsp-restart.desktop files that add two entries to the gnome main menu
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| 14:12 | it's in my ltsp.karmic branch
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| 14:13 | basically two files in the debian/ directory
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| 14:13 | <vagrantc> is it useful outside of ldm? shouldn't it go with ldm?
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| 14:14 | <stgraber> well, it's useless without localapps
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| 14:14 | and localapps are in ltsp not in ldm
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| 14:15 | <vagrantc> it's useless without ldm :)
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| 14:15 | there's no obviously correct place :)
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| 14:16 | <stgraber> yeah ;)
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| 14:17 | <vagrantc> stgraber: it would at least be worth putting those .desktop files upstream
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| 14:18 | if only as example docs or something
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| 14:18 | <silver_hook> Also, I never quite grasped the difference between LTSP and X server-client ...is LTSP just building on top of X as a separate server and client, or are the differences bigger?
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| 14:19 | <vagrantc> well, my test build of ldm went fine. good enough for debian unstable, at least :)
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| 14:19 | silver_hook: LTSP is a collection of services and technologies put together in a way that provides a thin-client.
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| 14:20 | with a few small pieces of glue that provide some interesting functionality.
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| 14:20 | <stgraber> vagrantc: pushed
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| 14:21 | <silver_hook> vagrantc: And if I was just to run X servers on separate boxes from the X client, a thin client wouldn't be enough for the terminals/X servers?
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| 14:22 | I.e. I'd need a disk and more decent CPU and RAM?
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| 14:22 | <vagrantc> silver_hook: i don't really understand your question (and the terminology around X client/server model really helps make everything confusing).
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| 14:23 | <vagrantc> silver_hook: you can do what LTSP does by installing the appropriate packages on a disk'ed machine, if that's what you're getting at.
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| 14:24 | <silver_hook> vagrantc: Yeah, I know the X server vs. client confuses me as well sometimes.
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| 14:24 | <vagrantc> it confuses everyone.
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| 14:24 | <silver_hook> vagrantc: OK. But if I use LTSP I don't need a disk on the terminal (i.e. LTSP clients) side, right?
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| 14:25 | <vagrantc> this is one of those rare cases where i think it's better to describe what you mean more than use the existing terminology.
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| 14:25 | silver_hook: that's 99% of the point of LTSP, yes. :)
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| 14:25 | <silver_hook> "terminal" sounds like a good way to describe it, I think :]
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| 14:25 | Cool :]
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| 14:25 | And what's the last 1%?
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| 14:26 | <vagrantc> a few pieces that integrate stuff together like ltspfs and ldm.
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| 14:27 | <silver_hook> And how secure is it?
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| 14:28 | <vagrantc> well, booting over the network has some fundamental insecurities ... you're relying on the network to download your whole OS.
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| 14:28 | but setting that part aside...
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| 14:28 | by default (at least on debian/ubuntu) the connection between the thin client is run over ssh.
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| 14:29 | between the thin-client and LTSP server, that is
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| 14:29 | <silver_hook> E.g. when I get an office (as an attorney), I'm considering to be using thin clients over secure connection and a hardened server to manage it. But I haven't checked yet if that's possible and how secure it is...
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| 14:29 | <vagrantc> though parts of it, such as sound and local devices (usb sticks, CDs, etc.) still go unencrypted.
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| 14:30 | silver_hook: the weak point is the initial download.
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| 14:30 | i think gPXE may have some features for tightening that up a bit...
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| 14:31 | <vagrantc> stgraber: well, ldm-trunk looks taggable to me. you want to handle the tarball, or should i?
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| 14:32 | <stgraber> vagrantc: please do
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| 14:32 | <vagrantc> heh. it's been a while ... i've mostly been riding on your coat-tails for upstream releases
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| 14:33 | <silver_hook> vagrantc: Soo, basically it's still the LAN that has to be as secure as possible.
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| 14:33 | <vagrantc> silver_hook: the problem is thin-clients basically turn on, and download whatever OS is offered to them.
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| 14:34 | silver_hook: through a dhcp request
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| 14:34 | silver_hook: so someone could just plug in a renegade DHCP server and give you whatever OS they wanted.
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| 14:34 | <silver_hook> Hmm, would a very small disk (or better yet a ROM) with a checksum possibly solve this problem?
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| 14:34 | <vagrantc> silver_hook: which could have malicious intent, and look just like the OS they're supposed to download.
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| 14:35 | <vagrantc> silver_hook: you could load the kernel/initramfs from local media, but then you'd have to update the local media every time there was a kernel security update.
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| 14:36 | that's why it would be nice to have some sort of signing mechanism in gPXE. then you'd only have to update the local media when you change keys.
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| 14:37 | <silver_hook> Hmmm, that's an option. ...But, anyway, I'm still a few years from that and I *really* should be studying for my exam :P ...so, thanks for all the info. It's been extremely helpful! I'll get back to LTSP when I actually have a practical use for it.
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| 14:41 | <vagrantc> oh, i remember ... it's the /tmp/ldm-logout-action that's the problem.
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| 14:43 | * silver_hook dreams of a FOSS-powered legal counciling and attorney office for FOSS :] | |
| 14:44 | <johnny> well legal aid manitoba uses it
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| 14:45 | iirc
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| 14:45 | but they don't do FOSS issues ..
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| 14:47 | <silver_hook> Cool :]
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| 14:51 | <silver_hook> I hope I'll be able to make a living helping out FOSS businesses and the community in general, but anyway that's completly OT here.
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| 14:51 | * vagrantc hopes silver_hook helps us make a living too :) | |
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| 14:53 | <silver_hook> vagrantc: On that topic, did you guys consider offering your services for money? I mean, hacking on LTSP in general for free, but building LTSP networks (to suit specific needs) and offering support to customers for money?
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| 14:54 | <vagrantc> a number of businesses are built around LTSP
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| 14:54 | <silver_hook> I imagine so, yes!
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| 14:55 | <johnny> yes. people do.. but not ltsp as a project
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| 14:55 | as the project is a loosely knit group of people
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| 14:55 | <silver_hook> Well, as a project that'd be hard to do ...but individuals from the project or joined together as a business — that could work.
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| 14:57 | <silver_hook> In KDE e.g. there's the Ko Gmbh. that employs most of the bigger devs of KOffice and there's the KAB Gmbh. (or some similar name) that employs most of the KDE PIM hackers.
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| 14:57 | <johnny> i think we are too far apart silver_hook
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| 14:57 | and something like ltsp requires in person work
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| 14:58 | it's not something you can really do remotely..
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| 14:58 | <silver_hook> That's true.
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| 14:59 | <vagrantc> wow. and i thought we did *tons* of work remotely :)
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| 14:59 | <silver_hook> But then again, you can still make your own company and/or invite people who make money by implementing LTSP to be more active in the development.
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| 14:59 | <johnny> vagrantc, but not the installs..
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| 14:59 | <silver_hook> Yeah, I know I'm stating the obvious :P
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| 14:59 | <johnny> silver_hook, people are making money off the installs
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| 15:00 | silver_hook, quite a few of the biggest problems facing usage of ltsp are not problems that ltsp can fix alone..
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| 15:00 | <silver_hook> ...and maintainance, I wouls assume.
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| 15:00 | <johnny> they cross distro issues, x issues , kernel issues
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| 15:00 | <silver_hook> s/wouls/would
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| 15:00 | <johnny> for example.. there is still no standard way to do the read write filesystem on top of a read only filesystem
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| 15:01 | the kernel process has been stalled for years
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| 15:01 | <silver_hook> :\
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| 15:01 | <johnny> the main vfs guy just doesn't like the other designs.. so we're still waiting..
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| 15:01 | <johnny> and openoffice has someodd pixmap issues that require knowledge only somebody who really really works on OOo can fix
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| 15:01 | most of the issues are just beyond the scope of network admins and gluers like us..
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| 15:02 | some of the issues couldbe influenced by monetary input.. but not that kernel issue..
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| 15:02 | for example..
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| 15:02 | 3 different solutions have been discarded for inclusion so far..
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| 15:02 | <silver_hook> True, but the more people CC to or vote on a certain bug or feature request, the likelier it is to be considered soon-ish...
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| 15:03 | <johnny> no..
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| 15:03 | the problem is design that satisifes the maintainer
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| 15:03 | votes ain't gonna help
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| 15:03 | he already wants it..
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| 15:04 | now it just takes a super dedicated kernel hacker
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| 15:04 | the best ltsp could do is raise some money to pay for one..
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| 15:04 | <silver_hook> That's the problem ...different methods work on different projects/people :P
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| 15:04 | <johnny> sure.. and ltsp cut across so many projects
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| 15:04 | it's more likely for us tobe a way to funnel money to the people who can do the work on specific projects
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| 15:04 | most likely.. people who don't even use or care about ltsp at all
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| 15:05 | just somebody who would like to be able to afford working on generally intractable problems :)
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| 15:05 | <silver_hook> Did you consider making a fundraiser and try to get in touch with business you know use LTSP and explain why the money is needed for a kernel coder?
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| 15:05 | <johnny> i've talked to folks about it sorta..
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| 15:06 | * silver_hook knows he again stated the obvious .... | |
| 15:06 | <johnny> but.. i know i don't have the time.. i only use ltsp for a lab of 3 computers :)
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| 15:06 | i can't afford to spend the time to organize that kinda thing.. i have other pressing issues
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| 15:06 | i've been trying to convince lns here to do something like that tho
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| 15:06 | but he doesn't seem to be around atm
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| 15:06 | <silver_hook> Don't we all... :/
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| 15:07 | <alkisg> !seen sbalneav
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| 15:07 | <ltspbot> alkisg: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 3 days, 23 hours, 3 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <sbalneav> Some work gets done at the BTS, but IMHO, it's more of a "team building" excercise than anything else.
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| 15:08 | <silver_hook> In Cyberpipe I know we use LTSP to power about a dozen of terminals for our free cybercafe ...so I could poke around a bit, but I can't promise much success...
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| 15:08 | <johnny> silver_hook, on a long enough timespan..many of the issues will be fixed for us :)
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| 15:08 | the kernel issue could be fixed soon
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| 15:08 | udev is gaining prominence leaving us to be able to ignore hal..
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| 15:08 | there's the new cuse (character user space filesystems)
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| 15:08 | plus all the new kernel graphics work..
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| 15:08 | etc..
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| 15:09 | <silver_hook> Udev is supposed to make HAL obsolete? When did I miss that train??
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| 15:10 | <johnny> almost a year ago
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| 15:10 | <silver_hook> I thought they're mainly cooperating and slightly (for whatever reasons) overlapping technologies.
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| 15:10 | <johnny> well it's not just udev
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| 15:10 | it's also devicekit (and devicekit-disks, devicekit-power)
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| 15:10 | <silver_hook> Hasn't X.org just recently switched to HAL to handle its devices?
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| 15:11 | <johnny> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Halsectomy
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| 15:11 | alot of that work is happening in gnome itself, and many other distros
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| 15:11 | <silver_hook> I know I wrote a HOWTO on it less then a year ago and it was pretty new stuff...
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| 15:11 | <johnny> that's just the nicest collection
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| 15:11 | xorg will be using udev
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| 15:12 | hal did both too much.. and too little
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| 15:12 | <silver_hook> Oh, well, I smell another HOWTO someday soon-ish then :P
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| 15:12 | <johnny> it helped people figure out where things fit in the stack
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| 15:12 | <vagrantc> silver_hook: yes, it recently switched to using hal, and it in the process of switching to udev.
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| 15:12 | <johnny> now that they figured it out.. the need for such a complicated machine has died
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| 15:13 | <silver_hook> johnny: How soon do you reckon X.org will start using Udev?
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| 15:13 | <johnny> depends on the distro :)
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| 15:13 | i think fedora's xorg might already
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| 15:13 | * vagrantc waves from the Debian camp | |
| 15:13 | <silver_hook> Meaning in Gentoo it's already possible :P
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| 15:13 | <johnny> silver_hook, i do'nt know
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| 15:13 | fedora will use git snaps as "stable" while gentoo won't often
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| 15:14 | iirc anyways.. i used gentoo for 6 years
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| 15:14 | just recently switched to fedora on my main machine
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| 15:14 | <silver_hook> http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23462
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| 15:14 | <johnny> hmm. .whoa it's been a year since i started using fedora now..
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| 15:15 | ah.. it is just now recently done
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| 15:15 | cool
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| 15:15 | exciting even..
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| 15:15 | <silver_hook> johnny: That's true. Unless you use overlays, Gentoo doesn't promote snapshots unless they're absolutely needed.
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| 15:16 | <johnny> plus fedora will include patches much quicker than gentoo if they are obviously destined for upstream.. as fedora folks are often the upstream
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| 15:16 | <silver_hook> I liked HAL's XML configs better, but I guess writing Udev rules is not too hard either :P
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| 15:16 | <johnny> of course gentoo did have to carry like 70 hal patches at one point
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| 15:17 | <silver_hook> johnny: Also true. But I'm still sticking to Gentoo :]
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| 15:17 | <johnny> yeah.. i just couldn't handle it anymore.. packages weren't up to date enough for all the effort it took to maintain
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| 15:17 | it was better originally..
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| 15:17 | <silver_hook> ...that is, when I get enough money to get a new laptop. My old one died a few weeks ago :\
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| 15:17 | <johnny> but i feel like i learned enough..
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| 15:17 | so.. i don't consider my gentoo time a waste or anything.. because of it i can troubleshoot almost any problem.. on any distro :)
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| 15:18 | altho selinux was new to me when i switched to fedora
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| 15:18 | <silver_hook> Oh, well, I try to help with submitting bugs, testing and even writing ebuilds, when needs be
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| 15:18 | <bernardo0cd0> Hi, I've installed a LTSP system on my Debian 5.0. But when I start the thin-client and try to login, it says that this computer can't login. Someone knows why?
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| 15:18 | <silver_hook> Anyway, I really shouldn't hog up the channel and continue studying.
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| 15:18 | <johnny> bernardo0cd0, that user exists on your server?
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| 15:19 | <vagrantc> bernardo0cd0: probably run ltsp-update-sshkeys on the server.
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| 15:19 | bernardo0cd0: but what is the specific error message?
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| 15:19 | <silver_hook> Thanks for your patience and keep up the cool work, guys!
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| 15:19 | Oh!
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| 15:19 | <bernardo0cd0> johnny, yes, on the server the login occurs normaly, even with ssh
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| 15:19 | <silver_hook> I *do* have some news you might like.
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| 15:19 | <johnny> silver_hook, i do somewhat maintain the gentoo port of ltsp
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| 15:20 | silver_hook, i'd really like a gentoo virtual machine on somebody who has good hardware..
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| 15:20 | let me know if anybody wants to share a machine so i can build ltsp chroots all day :)
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| 15:20 | <bernardo0cd0> vagrantc, i already tried that. The GDM says (in portuguese) that THIS computer can't connect on the server. if I try in the terminal (switcing the X) it simply says "Login Incorrect"
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| 15:20 | <silver_hook> johnny: In Cyberpipe we have a relatively powerful Xen server ...I could ask.
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| 15:21 | <vagrantc> bernardo0cd0: are you sure it's GDM ?
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| 15:21 | <johnny> silver_hook, it would be helpful... i'll of course need other testers to help test boot capability
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| 15:21 | <vagrantc> bernardo0cd0: by default, it uses a login manager called LDM
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| 15:21 | <johnny> but at least if i can build .. i can figure out the deps and everything.. keep stuff working overtime
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| 15:22 | <silver_hook> I was recently on a (Business) Linux conference and Jon "Maddog" Hall was there and mentioned that he's just starting a new project called Cauã which incudes a lot of Linux thin clients.
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| 15:22 | <bernardo0cd0> vagrantc, well, that's new for me. But he shows the LTSP background, so prabably is the LDM that you said.
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| 15:23 | <vagrantc> bernardo0cd0: how did you create the LTSP chroot?
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| 15:23 | <silver_hook> johnny: They mainly use Debian in Cyberpipe, but there are a few Gentoo enthusiasts. At least on Debian you'd probably get testing done ;)
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| 15:23 | <bernardo0cd0> with the ltsp-build-client
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| 15:23 | <vagrantc> bernardo0cd0: no special arguments or options?
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| 15:23 | bernardo0cd0: ltsp server and ldm server are the same machine?
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| 15:24 | <bernardo0cd0> yes, but only to set the base-folder and arch, and it is on the same machine
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| 15:24 | <vagrantc> ah, you'll have to configure ltsp-update-sshkeys properly.
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| 15:24 | <bernardo0cd0> isn't just run that?
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| 15:24 | <johnny> silver_hook, nah.. i really need gentoo.. so i can build chroots..
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| 15:24 | <vagrantc> changing the base folder isn't well supported.
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| 15:25 | <bernardo0cd0> and if I create a symbolic link?
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| 15:25 | <silver_hook> About project Cauã: it's not public yet, but be sure to keep your eyes open! When/if it starts you'll have like half Brasil using LTSP!
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| 15:25 | <vagrantc> bernardo0cd0: yeah, try creating symbolic links in /opt/ltsp/ to wherever your base dir is
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| 15:25 | bernardo0cd0: that's the simplest way to handle that
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| 15:25 | <silver_hook> johnny: Getting a VM with Gentoo is no problem ...I'm just saying that the LTSP server in Cyberpipe is running Debian AFAIK.
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| 15:26 | There's a dedicated Xen machine and it already runs at least one Gentoo VM.
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| 15:26 | <bernardo0cd0> ok, i created, all that I have to do is restart the thin-client, isnt any command to apply or something like that?
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| 15:26 | <johnny> if you could ever test it that would be helpful too..
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| 15:27 | <silver_hook> Drop me an e-mail to matija[döt]suklje[ãt]rutka[dȯt]net and I'll try to patch you through.
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| 15:27 | <bernardo0cd0> ok, I will test, hang up... :D
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| 15:27 | <vagrantc> bernardo0cd0: re-run ltsp-update-sshkeys after creating the symlinks, and then reboot the thin client.
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| 15:28 | <silver_hook> johnny: The problem with testing is that Cyberpipe's LTSP server runs on Debian and, personally, I only have a (dead) Gentoo laptop :P
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| 15:28 | I'll see what I can do though.
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| 15:28 | Have to run now ...food's ready! :D
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| 15:28 | Drop me an e-mail, OK?
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| 15:29 | <silver_hook> ...just change those dot's and at's accordingly, of course ;)
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| 15:31 | <bernardo0cd0> vagrantc, first thanks for the help but, the same error is occuring
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| 15:31 | I don't have to allow in some LTSP conf file the machines that can login?
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| 15:31 | <vagrantc> bernardo0cd0: nope.
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| 15:31 | !ver
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| 15:31 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "ver" is to get version info on debian/ubuntu (please use the pastebot): dpkg -l 'ltsp*' 'ldm*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2,$3}' ; dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | awk '/^ii/{print $2,$3}'
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| 15:31 | <vagrantc> bernardo0cd0: could you paste that to the pastebot ^^
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| 15:31 | !pastebot
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| 15:31 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 15:32 | <johnny> bernardo0cd0, drop do console on the machine, and try ssh from there
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| 15:32 | <vagrantc> bernardo0cd0: i guess, changing --root to an appropriate value.
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| 15:32 | <johnny> on the client i mean
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| 15:34 | <ltsppbot> "bernardo0cd0" pasted "ver" (1 line) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/573
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| 15:34 | <bernardo0cd0> oops
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| 15:34 | <ltsppbot> "bernardo0cd0" pasted "ver" (10 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/574
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| 15:34 | <bernardo0cd0> ok, now it's right
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| 15:36 | vagrantc, that's the link http://pastebot.ltsp.org/574
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| 15:41 | <vagrantc> bernardo0cd0: ok, so it's a plain debian lenny install
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| 15:41 | <bernardo0cd0> yes, has only some days
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| 15:41 | <vagrantc> heh. i'm already rusty on lenny, focusing on newer versions lately.
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| 15:42 | bernardo0cd0: try setting SCREEN_07=ldm and SCREEN_08=shell in lts.conf, and reboot a thin client ... that gives us more options for debugging.
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| 15:42 | <bernardo0cd0> hehe, the problem that my father will kill me if the server go down, so the focus is stability
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| 15:42 | i already have access to the shell, but i can't login on it
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| 15:43 | with Ctrl+Alt+F1 I can easily access the linux terminal
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| 15:43 | <vagrantc> that's why i said to set SCREEN_08=shell ... gives a root shell without a password.
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| 15:43 | <bernardo0cd0> oh, that's great :D
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| 15:43 | <vagrantc> obviously to be turned off after debugging.
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| 15:43 | <bernardo0cd0> ok, wait a minute
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| 15:44 | only to know, I have only 2 lines on my ltsp.conf
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| 15:45 | <vagrantc> bernardo0cd0: please paste your lts.conf to the pastebot
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| 15:45 | <ltsppbot> "bernardo0cd0" pasted "ltsp.conf" (2 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/575
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| 15:46 | <bernardo0cd0> ok, it's added
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| 15:46 | <vagrantc> note that it's lts.conf, *not* ltsp.conf
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| 15:46 | so those are completely ignored. and those options won't do anything anyways :P
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| 15:47 | <bernardo0cd0> hmm, ok, i'm completely lost :D
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| 15:47 | <vagrantc> bernardo0cd0: do you have an /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf ?
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| 15:47 | <johnny> vagrantc, why don't we change it to ltsp.conf? :) or allow both to work somehow ? :)
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| 15:47 | <vagrantc> johnny: i've wondered about that from time to time ...
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| 15:48 | johnny: there's just so much documentation out there...
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| 15:48 | <johnny> vagrantc, symlink then?
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| 15:48 | <vagrantc> johnny: and you've got the tftp downloads of lts.conf, in addition to the normal reads...
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| 15:48 | <ltsppbot> "bernardo0cd0" pasted "lts.conf" (13 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/576
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| 15:49 | <bernardo0cd0> ok, it's in lts.conf where i have to add the SCREEN line?
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| 15:49 | <vagrantc> bernardo0cd0: could you comment out LOCALDEV, SOUND, NBD_SWAP and LDM_DIRECTX ?
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| 15:49 | bernardo0cd0: and add the two options i mentioned?
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| 15:50 | localdev and sound are default.
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| 15:50 | <johnny> we could try to download both for a time.. but that would be annoying
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| 15:50 | <vagrantc> so that shouldn't matter.
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| 15:50 | johnny: i proposed to download a tarball or some other archive file that contains all the files to unpack into the chroot ...
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| 15:50 | johnny: but that was shot down.
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| 15:50 | <bernardo0cd0> ok, so i have to comment all the file, and letting only the screen line active?
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| 15:50 | <johnny> all files?
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| 15:51 | bernardo0cd0, make sure [default] is not commented
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| 15:51 | <vagrantc> johnny: just modified files.
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| 15:51 | <johnny> for exaxmple?
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| 15:51 | <vagrantc> johnny: or likely to be modified files.
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| 15:51 | johnny: say you want a custom screen script in the chroot ... just add it to the tarball.
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| 15:52 | johnny: by default, it'd only contain lts.conf, but you could add additional files to it and only have to download a single file.
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| 15:52 | <ltsppbot> "bernardo0cd0" pasted "New lts.conf" (14 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/577
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| 15:52 | <vagrantc> bernardo0cd0: add SCREEN_07=ldm
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| 15:52 | bernardo0cd0: and then reboot your thin client.
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| 15:53 | <bernardo0cd0> ok, i've added
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| 15:53 | let's restart
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| 15:55 | vagrantc, ok, it continues not logging in but now i have the root terminal
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| 15:55 | <vagrantc> bernardo0cd0: is there a /var/log/ldm.log ?
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| 15:56 | <bernardo0cd0> hmm, i should check that by the server ou the client terminal?
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| 15:56 | *or
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| 15:56 | <vagrantc> bernardo0cd0: on the thin client
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| 15:56 | <bernardo0cd0> ok
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| 15:57 | <vagrantc> stgraber: just uploaded ldm 2.0.48, should hit http://incoming.debian.org soonish.
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| 15:58 | <bernardo0cd0> ha! the problem is the ssh keys
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| 15:58 | it says that the anthencity of the server can't be established, but i already ran the ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 15:58 | <vagrantc> you have to teach ltsp-update-sshkeys to use your weird location.
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| 15:59 | or just re-install in the normal location
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| 15:59 | <johnny> can't you just mv the chroot?
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| 15:59 | why reinstall?
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| 15:59 | <vagrantc> could just move the chroot, too.
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| 16:00 | <bernardo0cd0> no, i installed the system with sctrict partitions for /home, /var, /usr,etc... so the /home is the unique that has space for that
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| 16:01 | <johnny> them a symlink will work
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| 16:01 | then*
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| 16:01 | /me doesn't recall the script checking for such things
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| 16:01 | <vagrantc> bernardo0cd0: you could bind-mount /opt/ltsp to your current directory.
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| 16:02 | i.e. mount --bind /some/crazy/location/for/ltsp /opt/ltsp
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| 16:02 | and stick it in fstab.
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| 16:02 | <bernardo0cd0> the symlink is (theorically) working
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| 16:02 | <vagrantc> bernardo0cd0: i thought you said it wasn't working?
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| 16:02 | bernardo0cd0: what's your actual symlink?
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| 16:02 | ls -l /opt/ltsp
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| 16:03 | <bernardo0cd0> i didn't tested run ltsp-update-sshkeys after creating the symlink
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| 16:04 | <vagrantc> well, that'd break it for sure.
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| 16:05 | <bernardo0cd0> vagrantc you are my hero!
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| 16:05 | it's working!
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| 16:05 | <vagrantc> heh.
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| 16:05 | <bernardo0cd0> thanks!
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| 16:05 | <johnny> he is all our hero
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| 16:05 | not just yours.. don't take him from us :)
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| 16:05 | <vagrantc> bernardo0cd0: so, what can we learn here? use the defaults :P
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| 16:06 | <bernardo0cd0> i'm not a default man, hahahah
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| 16:06 | <vagrantc> we really also should do better to support non-default base paths, because it comes up often enough.
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| 16:06 | <johnny> vagrantc, yes.. i've seen that :(
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| 16:07 | <vagrantc> removing support would be bad ... though maybe a warning in the help output and man pages...
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| 16:07 | <bernardo0cd0> why not simply create a config file on /etc/ltsp and inside have a line like that: YOUR_WEIRD_LOCATION="/weird/location"?
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| 16:08 | so all the scripts will use that varbiable
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| 16:09 | <vagrantc> yeah, we need an /etc/ltsp/common.conf
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| 16:09 | or some such
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| 16:09 | <bernardo0cd0> can have other lines too, like default arch and so....
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| 16:10 | one more question, for what is the image created on /opt/ltsp/image ?
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| 16:10 | <vagrantc> bernardo0cd0: for using NBD instead of NFS
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| 16:10 | <bernardo0cd0> hmm, so i don't need that?
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| 16:10 | <vagrantc> bernardo0cd0: debian uses NFS by default.
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| 16:11 | bernardo0cd0: nope. never need to run ltsp-update-image
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| 16:11 | <bernardo0cd0> ok, thanks
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| 16:12 | <bernardo0cd0> other thing, the /home on the client is the /home on the chroot or the /home of the server?
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| 16:18 | <auctmore> Hi. It has been a while since I last contacted this channel. I am using older versions of LTSP with much success in my Belgian classroom for about 9 years now. Only a week ago I switched servers from SuSE 9.x with LTSP 4.x to K12Linux (Fedora Core 10) with LTSP5. The basics work fine but I experience som minor glitches.
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| 16:19 | That is: "... somE minor glitches"
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| 16:20 | <vagrantc> bernardo0cd0: no, /home is basically /opt/ltsp/i386/home
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| 16:20 | bernardo0cd0: on the thin client
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| 16:21 | bernardo0cd0: typically, you just use the thin-client to log into the server, and all applications, file access, etc. is done on the server. merely displayed to the thin client, like an extra monitor/mouse/keyboard for the server.
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| 16:23 | <auctmore> glitch1: although I changed XkbLayout in lts.conf to "be" the login screen from LDM is still in Qwerty layout. How come?
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| 16:27 | <auctmore> glitch 2: when the terminals have displayed the LDM login screen for about half an hour there is no more response from the terminal's keyboard nor from the terminal's mouse until after a reboot of each terminal. How come?
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| 16:29 | * vagrantc hopes some k12linux folks are around | |
| 16:30 | <auctmore> Since a few weeks I am using K12Linux instead of SuSE 9.x and LTSP 4.x, but I am not an authority!!
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| 16:31 | <johnny> ltsp4 doesn't use ldm
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| 16:31 | oh.. k12 oops
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| 16:32 | i don't know.. that's not a bug in ltsp as far as i know auctmore
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| 16:32 | i have my terminals open that long before people login
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| 16:32 | it could be some other bug, you'll have to drop to console and see if if kernel panics happen, or enable syslogging
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| 16:34 | <auctmore> Okay I'll reboot the terminals every now and then for the time being until I figure out what's happening. Thanks.
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| 16:35 | <auctmore> johnny: what about my "glitch 1" ?
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| 16:44 | <johnny> i don't know
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| 16:44 | i didn't see nothin
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| 16:45 | i'm goin to a show
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| 16:45 | bbl
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| 16:45 | this isn't really a good time for the channel
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| 16:45 | most people are out
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| 16:45 | best times are weekdays during usa europe business hours
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| 16:46 | <bernardo0cd0> so, I'm going, thanks for the help!
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| 16:47 | <auctmore> Well... Over here in Belgium it's nearly midnight. So I'll be leaving the channel too. I'll try again on Monday. Have a nice weekend.
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| 16:50 | <auctmore> Please remind me. In which timezone are you?
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| 17:25 | <vagrantc> stgraber: http://incoming.debian.org/ldm_2.0.48-1.dsc
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| 17:59 | <cg_uira> Hi, want to say if is posible to do that a pxelinux server redirect to another next server (in this case ltsp)
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| 18:04 | <cg_uira> sorry, I don't know english very well
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| 18:05 | I want to know if is posible to do that a pxelinux server redirect to another next server (in this case ltsp)
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| 18:08 | <vagrantc> cg_uira: if someone knows, they'll probably answer. have patience :)
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| 18:08 | <cg_uira> vagrantc: thanks
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| 18:10 | I put in /var/lib/tftpboot/pxelinux.cfg/default file in my pxelinux server the follows lines: http://pastebin.com/m293392d4
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| 18:12 | this line have the info for my ltsp server that is another machine in the net
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