IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 10 September 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:58 | <cyberorg> Nubae, it seems there is far too much interest in diskless fat client than i thought
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| 01:03 | <johnny> too much?
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| 01:04 | <cyberorg> johnny, two people asked for it in last two days :)
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| 01:04 | i spoke to few more, they also showed interest in thing like that
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| 01:05 | everyone agreed that it is a good thing to have in addition to diskless thin client
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| 02:13 | <warren> huh
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| 02:13 | Using saved location: bzr+ssh://wtogami@bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/
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| 02:13 | Server is too old for streaming pull, reconnecting. (Upgrade the server to Bazaar 1.2 to avoid this)
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| 02:13 | bzr: ERROR: Must end write group before releasing write lock on KnitPackRepository('file:///home/warren/work/k12linux/ltsp-trunk/.bzr/repository/')
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| 02:18 | <johnny> ?
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| 02:18 | oh
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| 02:18 | what version are you on locally?
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| 02:18 | <warren> johnny: turns out bzr-1.5 is too old to talk to bzr-1.6 on the server
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| 02:19 | <johnny> suprised to see it move so quickly
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| 02:20 | <warren> yeah
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| 02:26 | <Pascal_1> Bonjour
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| 02:43 | <Nubae1> wow, edubuntu list is hot with dissent, and k12ltsp list seems sure the blame of all ltsp problems lie in ed/ubuntu
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| 02:44 | <Nubae> I wonder if this is a sign more people are starting to use LTSP...
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| 02:47 | <wwx> no, they found after all somebody to blame
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| 02:48 | <Nubae> yep... biting the hand that feeds :-)
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| 02:49 | <johnny> Nubae, link?
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| 02:50 | <Nubae> are u on the edubuntu/ubuntu and k12 mailing lists?
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| 02:51 | <Nubae> funny, ask them to please list the problems they are having and I get the response... we already did that lots of times...
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| 02:58 | <cyberorg> Nubae, really weird stuff here https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12ltsp-list/2008-September/thread.html
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| 02:58 | none about ltsp though :)
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| 03:04 | <Nubae> haha, funny... :-)
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| 03:09 | <ogra> Nubae, they are right, they moaned a lot about hanging apps ... i ask them to file bugs for each of them so i can hassle the pp devs since about 1.5 years ... no bugs unitl today (but we have crap like gnome-watchdog now instead of having the probelms identified)
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| 03:10 | s/pp/app/
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| 03:11 | if i find the time i'll write an answer
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| 03:11 | but that will be rather longish and loud ... so i try to keep out of that thread atm
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| 03:13 | <ogra> Nubae, on a sidenote i suspect the initiator of that thread just copied his setup 1:1 from his centos 4 (or whatever he had there) to ubuntu hardy ... which indeed causes massive probs
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| 03:18 | <Nubae> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-users/2008-August/004364.html
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| 03:18 | thats the source of the distress
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| 03:19 | <ogra> i know
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| 03:19 | <Nubae> I'm gonna write an answer as a lot of this can be simply fixed by upgrading to 8.04
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| 03:21 | <ogra> btw, i dont know him and i'm sure RichEd (education manager) doesnt know him either
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| 03:21 | not sure to which "canonical employees" he has spoken as he claims ...
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| 03:21 | <Nubae> never seen him on the channels either
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| 03:22 | and to say u dont get answered on #ltsp is pretty heavy...
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| 03:22 | <ogra> yeah
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| 03:22 | i guess he rather refers to #edubuntu ...
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| 03:23 | for which thats true since we tried to switch over to #ubuntu-education (which sadly didnt really work out)
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| 03:24 | <Nubae> well, there has been a communication break down I guess
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| 03:24 | <ogra> yeah, and people are upset that edubuntu as a brand slowly vanishes
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| 03:25 | <Nubae> yeah there is some lingering weirdness to that, though in practice nothing changes
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| 03:26 | <ogra> we want ubuntu as a whole being seen as an educational distro since thta was the aim from the beginning, edubuntu as a brand was a mistake
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| 03:26 | <Nubae> yeah a difficult one to fix now
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| 03:26 | <ogra> but we seem to fail in getting that across
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| 03:26 | (not my job though ... )
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| 03:27 | with intrepid there wont be a orderable CD anymore for edubuntu ...
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| 03:27 | <johnny> how about redirecting the channel???
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| 03:27 | <ogra> we'll still keep the iso, but include edubuntu-desktop as task on the ubuntu DVD
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| 03:27 | <johnny> other folks do that
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| 03:27 | <Nubae> redirecting the channel is not a bad idea
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| 03:28 | <ogra> i was a bit reluctant to that in the past since i didnt want to lose the rest of edubuntu people we had
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| 03:28 | but with the final step of dropping the iso it surely makes a lot of sense
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| 03:29 | my only prob with having an all in one DVD is that many/most edubuntu users live in countries wehe its really hard to get a dvd burner or reader
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| 03:29 | edubuntu is big in brazil, india south america and africa
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| 03:30 | where you even have a hard time to get the necessary RAM and CPU for a usable server ....
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| 03:31 | (or enough bandwith to download a 4G DVD)
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| 03:32 | <johnny> how about .. get a dollar from every ubuntu user
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| 03:32 | <johnny> problem solved
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| 03:33 | give all the stuff away :)
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| 03:33 | <ogra> heh
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| 03:33 | i guess i'D get one or two probs wih my marketing dept. :)
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| 03:33 | <johnny> hey.. it'd make ubuntu look really good
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| 03:34 | don't force people to pay.. just ask :)
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| 03:34 | <ogra> well, we give away CDs for free
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| 03:34 | since 4 years
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| 03:34 | <johnny> i meant for the hardware too :)
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| 03:35 | <ogra> you mean i should just reuse to accepy my salary ?
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| 03:35 | *refuse
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| 03:35 | <johnny> huh?
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| 03:35 | <ogra> where should the money come from ?
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| 03:35 | <johnny> i just told you silly
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| 03:36 | $1 donation on download :)
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| 03:36 | <ogra> that would lose us millions of users
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| 03:36 | <johnny> asking for a donation?
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| 03:36 | ASKING
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| 03:36 | not telling
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| 03:37 | <ogra> you can buy ubuntu boxed on amazon ... we make money with that ... additionally you can get the single pressed CD for free from shipit
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| 03:37 | thats teh marketing concept that made us big
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| 03:37 | <ogra> now switching to a donation model will make people moan that canonical is after making money
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| 03:37 | or getting greedy or some such
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| 03:38 | <Nubae> yeah will put wood on the fire
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| 03:38 | <johnny> donation directly to giving away servers to brazilan schools?
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| 03:38 | <ogra> its hard to get across such changes
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| 03:38 | <ogra> how can we prove all that money doesnt go into canonicals cashflow ?
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| 03:39 | <Nubae> So this scott guy claims to have spoken to a bunch of canonical employees at linux world
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| 03:39 | <johnny> have it run by somebody who is not canonical..
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| 03:39 | <ogra> as we grow people bring up more and more suspicions ... the philosophy iside canonical never changed but we get accused for greed more and more
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| 03:40 | doing such a thing is a great idea, but has a massive risk in it
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| 03:41 | Nubae, nobody who would have anything to do with either ltsp or edu
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| 03:48 | <zamba> how can i make the dns information from the dhcp replies be the ones overwriting /etc/resolv.conf?
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| 03:50 | <ogra> /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf in the client chroot has settings for that
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| 03:50 | (though it should happen by default usually=
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| 03:50 | )
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| 03:53 | <zamba> ogra: it doesn't here
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| 03:53 | ogra: running kiosk mode
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| 03:54 | <ogra> right, then set it in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
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| 03:55 | i think the prepend domain-name-servers directive does it
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| 03:55 | or "require subnet-mask, domain-name-servers;"
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| 03:55 | one of these should help
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| 03:55 | <zamba> i have request here
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| 05:06 | <loca|host> hello all
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| 05:06 | i have a problem with the kiosk LTSP plugin
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| 05:07 | it doesnt load firefox automatically, user on the thin client should click on his mouse to trigger firefox to open
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| 05:07 | how to let it go without that ?
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| 05:45 | <loca|host> anyone ?
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| 06:02 | <walter> You guys.
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| 06:02 | I am encountering issues on Suse-Ltsp, though I believe that this is a generic LTSP problem.
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| 06:03 | Every two or three days, clients which are rebooted don't connect to the Server anymore. I looked into the errors, and it seems to be: nbd-client, Server closed connection.
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| 06:03 | Furthermore, the clients which are already running keep working fine.
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| 06:04 | And, it seems to be looking for /dev/nbd0, and I dunno about the clients, but it ain't on the server.
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| 06:04 | <cyberorg> walter, what kiwi-ltsp version are you running?
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| 06:04 | <walter> Any ideas?
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| 06:04 | <walter> Latest.
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| 06:04 | <cyberorg> walter, how many clients do you have?
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| 06:04 | <walter> cyberorg, furthermore, whenever I run, from the server, kiwi-ltsp-setup -c, everything works again.
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| 06:04 | cyberorg, about 11.
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| 06:05 | <cyberorg> walter, when that happens check "ps ax | grep nbd-server"
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| 06:05 | <walter> cyberorg, I am trying to find a stable solution though
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| 06:07 | cyberorg, it is running
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| 06:07 | cyberorg, many instances, by the way
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| 06:07 | <cyberorg> walter, also let me know what is the value of instances in /etc/xinetd.conf
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| 06:07 | walter, how many?
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| 06:07 | walter, pastebin /etc/hosts.allow too
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| 06:11 | <walter> cyberorg, Awright, gimme a moment
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| 06:12 | cyberorg, 30 instances
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| 06:13 | <cyberorg> walter, make it 100
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| 06:13 | and rcxinetd restart
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| 06:13 | <walter> cyberorg, would that influece the issue?
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| 06:14 | <cyberorg> does /etc/hosts.allow have nbdrootd: ALL: keepalive?
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| 06:14 | <walter> cyberorg, what I ain't getting is: why does kiwi-ltsp-setup -c restart everything correctly?
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| 06:14 | <cyberorg> walter, because it does rcxineted restart, that allows for 30 more instances of nbd-server
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| 06:15 | <walter> cyberorg, but I got 11 running.
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| 06:15 | cyberorg, /etc/hosts.allow is all commented.
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| 06:15 | <cyberorg> walter, is ps ax showing just 11 when you have this issue>?
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| 06:15 | <walter> walter, actually no, many more. Why?
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| 06:15 | <cyberorg> walter, if they reach 30 you wont be able to connect any more clients
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| 06:16 | pastebin the output of "rpm -qa | grep ltsp"
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| 06:16 | <walter> cyberorg, the problem being, I got 11. Why are there 30plus running
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| 06:16 | ?
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| 06:16 | <cyberorg> walter, because you dont have nbdrootd: ALL: keepalive in /etc/hosts.allow that kills stale processes
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| 06:17 | <walter> cyberorg, I am going to add that. Gimme a moment
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| 06:17 | <cyberorg> so the output of "rpm -qa | grep ltsp" will help figure out why the version you are using does not have that fix, i remember fixing it
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| 06:20 | <walter> ltsp-server-5.1.15_080809-2.1
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| 06:20 | <cyberorg> walter, use pastebin.com, paste full output
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| 06:21 | <walter> Gimme a moment.
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| 06:21 | After adding the line, what?
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| 06:21 | rcxinetd restart?
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| 06:21 | <cyberorg> yes
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| 06:22 | <walter> cyberorg, I still got about 58 nbd-servers running? WIll they go, eventually, or just stay there?
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| 06:23 | <cyberorg> they should go away after about 2 hours
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| 06:23 | <walter> cyberorg, Your pastebin: http://pastebin.com/m122e42f1
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| 06:23 | cyberorg, in case that they didn't?
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| 06:24 | <cyberorg> walter, you are running old packages
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| 06:24 | <walter> cyberorg, great ;)
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| 06:24 | <cyberorg> pastebin "zypper sl"
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| 06:24 | <walter> cyberorg, as long as I ain't gotta reboot the server, I am more then glad to upgrade.
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| 06:25 | <cyberorg> walter, we dont reboot linux servers, we just restart services :)
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| 06:25 | <laga> "services" like the cpu? ;)
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| 06:25 | <walter> cyberorg, that's the way to go.
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| 06:25 | <cyberorg> walter, zypper sl?
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| 06:26 | <walter> Should I PasteBin it?
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| 06:26 | <cyberorg> laga, we dont have rccpu restart command yet :D
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| 06:26 | walter, yes
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| 06:26 | <walter> cyberorg, http://pastebin.com/m31b4ca28
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| 06:27 | <cyberorg> walter, zypper refresh && zypper up -t package -r server:ltsp && zypper up -t package -r openSUSE:Tools
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| 06:27 | <cyberorg> hope you have fast internet
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| 06:27 | <walter> cyberorg, It is pretty fast ;) What is that going to do? Upgrade ltsp and... tools?
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| 06:27 | Which tools?
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| 06:28 | <cyberorg> walter, just copy paste that command, once the update is complete change /srv/tftpboot/KIWI/lts.conf CONFIGURE_X=true
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| 06:29 | <walter> A ZYpp transaction is already in progress. This means, there is another application using the libzypp library for package management running. All such applications must be closed before using this command.
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| 06:29 | Why?
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| 06:29 | <cyberorg> kiwi packages are in openSUSE:Tools repo and all the ltsp ones in server:ltsp
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| 06:29 | walter, you have another zypper, yast or updater running?
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| 06:30 | <walter> Actually that is a problem. Each time I gotta run Yast, I need to kill a process caledd packaged or similar
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| 06:30 | Packageitd, in fact.
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| 06:30 | <cyberorg> walter, rpm -e packagekitd ;)
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| 06:30 | <walter> Yeah, thattun.
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| 06:30 | <cyberorg> it is a bugger
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| 06:31 | <walter> wrong package name though
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| 06:31 | It ain't finding it
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| 06:31 | :(
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| 06:31 | <laga> *shiver*
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| 06:31 | <walter> ;)
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| 06:32 | <laga> suse sounds broken ;)
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| 06:32 | <walter> I barely used it. I mean, I installed it, configured it, I did one or two upgrades where I didn't really know what was going on, but that's about it. It is pretty new.
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| 06:33 | Cause I ain't familiar with Yast2 at all.
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| 06:34 | <cyberorg> packagekit works ok sometimes, but using multiple package manager simultaneously has its disadvantages
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| 06:34 | <walter> cyberorg, Neeway, I am upgrading now. No worries.
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| 06:34 | <cyberorg> stick to yast and zypper
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| 06:34 | <wigwam> please, how to change xserver kbmap in client image?
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| 06:35 | <walter> cyberorg, the problem is that packagekitd restart automatically, for some reason ;)
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| 06:35 | <cyberorg> *till packagekitd matures
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| 06:35 | walter, rpm -qf `which packagekitd` find the name of the package and then rpm -e thatpackage
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| 06:36 | <walter> Right.
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| 06:36 | <cyberorg> not while zypper is running though :)
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| 06:37 | <walter> Whoops. That's what I just did
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| 06:37 | :D
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| 06:37 | ;)
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| 06:38 | Awright ZYpper finished.
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| 06:39 | <walter> Which programs shall I restart then?
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| 06:39 | <cyberorg> just do rpm -qa | grep ltsp again just to be sure all packages are up to date, did update from openSUSE:Tools repo too?
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| 06:39 | walter, first fix lts.conf
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| 06:39 | then check /etc/hosts.allow to see if nbdrootd stuff is in there
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| 06:40 | check that after running kiwi-ltsp-setup -c""
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| 06:40 | "kiwi-ltsp-setup -c"
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| 06:41 | <walter> Did it. I shall run "kiwi-ltsp-setup -c" now? Cause normally it changes my lts.conf, which is why I gotta make a backup copy first.
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| 06:42 | <cyberorg> walter, it shouldn't change now, fixed that as well
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| 06:42 | <walter> Right.
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| 06:42 | <cyberorg> that is why you have to manually change that variable
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| 06:42 | <walter> Great.
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| 06:42 | Did it-
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| 06:43 | It didn't change it ;)
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| 06:43 | Everything is supposed to work now?
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| 06:43 | <cyberorg> walter, boot up on of the clients to find out :)
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| 06:43 | <walter> That's right.
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| 06:43 | Dude, great support.
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| 06:43 | You know exactley what you're talking about ;)
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| 06:44 | <cyberorg> walter, i must, i put it all together :P
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| 06:45 | <walter> Great job again, then ;)
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| 06:45 | <cyberorg> thank me if your client boots up ;)
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| 06:46 | <walter> It just did dude. THanks dude ;)
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| 06:47 | <cyberorg> walter, cool :)
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| 06:52 | <zamba> i want to add a printer to my thin client running in kiosk mode.. how can i do that?
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| 06:52 | <walter> cyberorg, Another problem, while we're at it.
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| 06:52 | <zamba> i guess i have to install cups or something on the server?
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| 06:52 | this should be a network printer
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| 06:52 | <walter> cyberorg, Client dvd's aren't mounted at all. Need I specify anything in lts.conf?
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| 06:52 | <cyberorg> walter, nope, they should just work, lts.conf has LOCALDEV=true by default
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| 06:53 | <walter> cyberorg, They ain't working thoguh .)
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| 06:53 | :(
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| 06:53 | <cyberorg> walter, and usb stick?
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| 06:53 | <walter> cyberorg, Didn't try.
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| 06:53 | cyberorg, local hd's aren't mounted as well though.
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| 06:54 | <cyberorg> local hd are disabled
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| 06:54 | <zamba> all i can find online is about setting up locally attached printers
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| 06:55 | <cyberorg> walter, try usb and cdrom with new client that just booted
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| 06:55 | zamba, printer configured on the server will be available to the client
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| 06:55 | <walter> cyberorg, Awright, gimme a moment.
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| 06:56 | <zamba> cyberorg: oh.. cool
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| 06:56 | cyberorg: do i have to rebuild the image?
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| 06:56 | <cyberorg> zamba, no
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| 07:24 | <zamba> cyberorg: will they print going through the cups server on the ltsp server or will they try an establish a connection themselves?
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| 07:26 | <cyberorg> zamba, when you log in to the client you are really logged into server, so it will use printer that is available on the server whichever way it is configured
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| 07:26 | <ogra> not in kiosk mode
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| 07:27 | kiosk mode runs firefox locally as fullscreen app on the client ... its all installed in the image
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| 07:27 | <cyberorg> oh, sorry then no idea how that printing would work :)
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| 07:27 | <ogra> i think its possible to make the printer available as network printer via IPP on the server ... then you should be able to see it from the FF rint dialog
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| 07:28 | but i never have tried that
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| 07:28 | <zamba> ah, ok
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| 07:29 | <ogra> another (pretty evil) option would be to install the jetpipe script on the server and make the printer available via HP jetdirect to the network ... and then connect the client to it
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| 07:41 | <walter> cyberorg, where's that file where you map MAC Addresses to IPs?
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| 07:48 | <walter> cyberorg, Gotta go. See ya later dude.
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| 08:00 | <quar1> hi
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| 08:00 | i installed ubuntu server hardy
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| 08:00 | <quar1> but commands sometimes are run after a pause
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| 08:01 | there is ltsp5, but this happens on the server
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| 08:02 | in fact i have a NO IP Address on the clients because the dhcpd3 process responds very slowly and does'n give DHCPACK
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| 08:04 | <ogra> Nubae, rdesktop is installed by defaul since gutsy
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| 08:04 | *default
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| 08:07 | <ogra> Nubae, SCREEN_01 is reserved for teh system console, you need to use SCREEN_02=rdesktop and set RDP_OPTIONS as well as RDP_SERVER
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| 08:19 | <jammcq> g'morning friends
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| 08:19 | <ogra> yo jammcq
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| 08:42 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:42 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:42 | <sbalneav> Morning jammcq!
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| 08:42 | <ogra> !s
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| 08:42 | <ltspbot> ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:48 | <warren> I'm tagging soon.
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| 08:49 | <sbalneav> ogra: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/268550
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| 08:49 | Boop
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| 08:51 | <sbalneav> jammcq: So, just looking at a few fares here, prices look not bad, about $475 to get me down to DTW
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| 08:51 | <jammcq> wow
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| 08:53 | <ogra> sbalneav, sigh
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| 08:53 | thats an ltsp bug, not a ubuntu one
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| 08:53 | <sbalneav> Oh, crap.
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| 08:53 | * ogra goes to do the paperwork ... | |
| 08:54 | <sbalneav> sorry
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| 08:54 | Want me to re-file
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| 08:54 | ?
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| 08:54 | <ogra> nah, i can fix it, but i suspect its invalid for ltsp since the rewrite of ldm
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| 08:54 | <sbalneav> right.
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| 08:54 | If you want me to do something else, I'm happy to.
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| 08:58 | <ogra> ok, all sorted
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| 09:03 | <sbalneav> Should be able to put that one through, eh? Not a big change.
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| 09:05 | <jammcq> ok guys. We've confirmed the motel in Maine for Nov 6-9, 2008 for BTS-2008
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| 09:06 | can I get a show of hands of who thinks they might be coming?
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| 09:09 | <warren> I'm tagging real soon.
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| 09:09 | jammcq: I just learned that I have no budget, but barring illness I'm going.
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| 09:09 | <sbalneav> I'm IN
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| 09:10 | <jammcq> warren: that's the cool thing about Maine, it requires almost no budget
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| 09:10 | <warren> jammcq: yeah.
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| 09:10 | <sbalneav> ogra: You're in, right?
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| 09:10 | <warren> jammcq: we going to try to run fiber from the office to the "conference building"?
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| 09:10 | <jammcq> I'll see if I can squeek a little bit out of Diskless again. I think Ron and Erick might be coming anyway
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| 09:10 | warren: I just talked to David, the motel guy about that. i'm trying to get an access point installed in that building
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| 09:11 | <ogra> sbalneav, not booked yet and i need to decide if i take a rental car or what from the airport
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| 09:11 | <warren> ogra: which airport?
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| 09:11 | <ogra> bangor
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| 09:11 | i hope
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| 09:11 | <ogra> will depend on what kind of flight i'll take
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| 09:12 | <ogra> but bangor is nearest
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| 09:13 | <warren> dirigible flight
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| 09:13 | <jammcq> ah, a good ole airship
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| 09:13 | nothing like the smell of hyrdrogen in the morning
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| 09:14 | <warren> jammcq: the main problem was not the hydrogen but the jet fuel they painted on the outside to make it air tight.
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| 09:14 | <jammcq> well, that too
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| 09:15 | <jammcq> I'm saying starts Nov 6th, but that's a travel day
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| 09:16 | meaning, don't expect great deals of hacking to take place in maine until the evening hours
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| 09:18 | <warren> Has anyone done a single line of fiber before?
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| 09:18 | Ethernet to fiber back to ethernet
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| 09:20 | <sbalneav> I could always just bing 150' of cat 5 with me :)
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| 09:21 | <jammcq> sbalneav: one lightening strike anywhere on the island, and you will kiss the 2 switches goodbye
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| 09:21 | * jammcq has lived through that before | |
| 09:21 | <warren> jammcq: and possibly more than the 2 switches
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| 09:21 | actually, likely more
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| 09:21 | <jammcq> heh, like maybe the building
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| 09:21 | <Nubae> ogra: thanks... why don't you reply via the list :-)
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| 09:22 | <sbalneav> Lightning? Awesome, I'll bring 300'! :)
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| 09:23 | <Nubae> warren: do u think I'll see problems installing LTSP on an XS server?
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| 09:23 | <warren> jammcq: ask him if he already didn't wire the conf building
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| 09:23 | Nubae: I have no idea what an XS is
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| 09:23 | <Nubae> we have a pilot project here with a bunch of xos, but want to give ltsp functionality too
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| 09:24 | the XS server is the server that allows the xos to communicate together, built on top of fedora 9
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| 09:24 | I guess I'll just give it a go
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| 09:24 | <warren> I have absolutely zero experience with XO or XS
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| 09:25 | <Nubae> its really just a set of scripts inside sysconfig for networking, dns, ejabberd, moodle and dansguardian
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| 09:25 | <warren> I think eharrison has experience doing fiber
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| 09:25 | <Nubae> oh and squid... though ejabberd is the heart of it... allows more than 32 (the limit with meshes) laptops to work together
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| 09:31 | <jammcq> warren: what's that airport in NH ?
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| 09:31 | <warren> jammcq: MHT
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| 09:31 | <jammcq> tanks
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| 09:32 | <ogra> XS ? isnt that the sport version of tic tac toe ?
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| 09:32 | <warren> jammcq: you might want to check its driving route and time compared to BOS, I don't know if there is a good highway going east
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| 09:32 | <Nubae> warren: the reason I asked you is because XS is on top of Fedora Core 9
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| 09:32 | ogra: lol
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| 09:32 | <warren> jammcq: http://www.pcconnection.com/IPA/Shop/Product/Detail.htm?sku=5734839&oext=1038A&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=5734839 oh dear. this is far more expensive than i thought.
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| 09:32 | Nubae: you're asking me about something that I've never used?
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| 09:32 | <jammcq> warren: i'm just creating the wiki page now. what city is MHT in?
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| 09:33 | <Nubae> warren: not anymore, just explaining why I asked you to begin with...
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| 09:33 | <jammcq> ah, nm
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| 09:34 | the difference between BOS or MHT, going to Southwest harbor is 7 miles :)
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| 09:35 | <ogra> warren, you never used the powerswitch on the thincan either and talk about it once a week :P
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| 09:35 | <warren> jammcq: Manchester
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| 09:35 | <ogra> thats in englad
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| 09:35 | *england
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| 09:35 | <warren> jammcq: if it is cheaper to fly to MHT it might be worth it, it is a lot more pleasant of an airport than BOS
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| 09:35 | <jammcq> ah, true
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| 09:36 | <warren> jammcq: my people are telling me, the motel guy should get directional wireless and a repeater.
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| 09:37 | <ogra> yagi antennas FTW
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| 09:37 | <jammcq> hmm, that might be a nice solution
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| 09:37 | <warren> are yagi common and easy to buy?
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| 09:37 | <ogra> you can build them with a pringles can
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| 09:38 | but you can also buy them ... indeed
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| 09:38 | <warren> should we do this with WDS?
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| 09:38 | then it would be like $120 of hardware
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| 09:38 | * ogra would donate some bucks for that | |
| 09:39 | <ogra> but http://www.3nw.com/pda/wireless/wi_fi_pringles_can_yagi_antenna.htm
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| 09:39 | <jammcq> I told the guy that if meant buying a new access point, that we could prolly help out with the cost
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| 09:39 | <warren> well the motel guy might pay for it
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| 09:39 | oh
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| 09:39 | <jammcq> I'd be willing to throw in a bit
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| 09:39 | <ogra> Parts list: ... Total: $6.45
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| 09:40 | <jammcq> once again, he's holding the place open for us, past when he'd normally close it for the winter
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| 09:40 | <warren> one trouble with a directional antenna is you need a dedicated AP on both sides
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| 09:40 | meaning four AP's
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| 09:41 | one for the office, one to beam across the lot, another to receive across the lot, another to serve the conf
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| 09:41 | Unfortunately the distance between the two is just beyond the reliable reach of non-directional
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| 09:41 | <ogra> well, you can buy a repeater wih two inerfaces and use one of them with the yagi, one as general AP
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| 09:41 | <jammcq> well, really only 3 are needed.
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| 09:42 | <warren> what is a repeater with two interfaces?
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| 09:42 | <ogra> there are linksys APs with two interfaces ...
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| 09:42 | <warren> ogra: they don't work that way
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| 09:42 | <ogra> run one in AP mode and link it to a standard AP in the office with the yagi
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| 09:43 | <warren> ogra: there are two only for diversity
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| 09:43 | they can't do two separate
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| 09:43 | <jammcq> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ByTheSea2008
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| 09:43 | <ogra> i had such a thing from lucent ...
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| 09:43 | but that was last century
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| 09:44 | <warren> perhaps that lucent box could do it
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| 09:44 | but linksys can't
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| 09:44 | it is only capable of diversity mode (default) or you can turn it off
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| 09:44 | tagging ltsp-trunk
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| 09:48 | <ogra> i thought it uses softmac
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| 09:48 | that should be capable of doing such stuff
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| 09:48 | <warren> no it doesn't
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| 09:48 | <warren> ogra: linksys still uses a very old GPL violating closed source kernel driver.
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| 09:49 | <ogra> i'm talking about the linux drivern linksys indeed with the free image installed ...
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| 09:49 | that way you should be able to run hostap on top of the driver
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| 09:49 | <vagrantc> openwrt?
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| 09:49 | <warren> OK, I haven't heard about a fully free image yet
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| 09:49 | <ogra> right
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| 09:49 | <warren> that must be new?
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| 09:49 | <vagrantc> i just started messing with openwrt
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| 09:50 | <ogra> its ancient
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| 09:50 | <warren> vagrantc: openwrt used the binary driver last I checked
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| 09:50 | <vagrantc> 2.4 kernel :)
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| 09:50 | <warren> vagrantc: they can't migrate from 2.4 for that reason
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| 09:50 | <vagrantc> heck if i know
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| 09:54 | <ogra> i only dd that setup above with lucent HW ... and an aeon ago ... but i was assuming it would be possible with openwrt ...
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| 09:55 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: how similar was your patch for password expiry to the patch in ldm for lenny ?
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| 09:55 | <sbalneav> Ummm, dunno
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| 09:57 | <ltsppbot> "vagrantc" pasted "patch to fix password expiry in lenny" (30 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/61
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| 09:58 | <sbalneav> Bwahahahaha http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/
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| 09:58 | <laga> sbalneav: heh
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| 10:02 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: patch looks pretty similar, although it's against different versions and my C is a bit weak to really compare any substantive differences
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| 10:02 | <ogra> vagrantc, mine is bigger
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| 10:02 | <vagrantc> ogra: that's good to know.
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| 10:02 | <ogra> *grin*
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| 10:03 | vagrantc, but lenny is far ahead of hardy
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| 10:03 | <vagrantc> yeah
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| 10:04 | it was only a partial fix for lenny, i definitely recalled finding some hopefully infrequent scenarios where it didn't work.
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| 10:06 | <ogra> btw, did you guys see that ? http://techvideoblog.com/ifa/98-linux-laptop-the-hivision-mininote/
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| 10:06 | <vagrantc> (regarding password expiry: http://bugs.debian.org/482553)
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| 10:08 | in particular, http://bugs.debian.org/482553#10
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| 10:09 | * ogra sighs about libclutter | |
| 10:09 | <vagrantc> sounds messy by design
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| 10:10 | <ogra> heh, yeah
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| 10:10 | its a GTK GL lib that many of our mobile desktop apps use
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| 10:10 | i'm just porting the netbook-remix to a sane community image for eeePC and friends
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| 10:11 | but libclutter in the remix is 0.6 and apparently nearly everything changed to version 0.8
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| 10:12 | well, more for MID devices than eeePC ... but you will be able to run it on eee ATOM as well
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| 10:13 | * vagrantc wonders where to register branches in launchpad | |
| 10:14 | <ogra> under your own account ?
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| 10:14 | <vagrantc> yeah
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| 10:14 | <ogra> or for ltsp-upstream
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| 10:14 | click the code tab
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| 10:14 | <vagrantc> i just figured i'd mirror my *-experimental-packaging branches
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| 10:14 | <ogra> there is a huge orange button at the right
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| 10:15 | labelled "register a branch" :)
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| 10:15 | <vagrantc> no huge orange button in this interface
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| 10:15 | <ogra> are you logged in ?
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| 10:15 | <vagrantc> how can i tell?
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| 10:15 | <ogra> top right
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| 10:15 | either states your name or says "log in"
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| 10:16 | <vagrantc> ah, seems to be time for a password reset.
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| 10:17 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: Yeah, looks to be roughly the same thing as my patch.
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| 10:17 | <vagrantc> weird. depending on where i login to launchpad, it doesn't like my password. must have different passwords cached for different URLs.
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| 10:18 | <ogra> it uses openid ... shouldnt happen
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| 10:18 | vagrantc, do you use edge.lp.net ? or lp.net
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| 10:18 | <vagrantc> well, if i try to login from code.launchpad.net, it gives me a failed login. if i try from launchpad.net, it works.
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| 10:19 | ogra: plain ol lp.net
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| 10:19 | <ogra> weird ...
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| 10:19 | its the same server
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| 10:19 | and the same auth backend
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| 10:19 | <sbalneav> ogra: So, I just chatted with tkampetter about that cups bug I fixed upstream. So I don't screw things up again, what should I file a bug against in cups?
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| 10:20 | <ogra> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups/+filebug
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| 10:20 | i'm not sure cups uses lp as upstream tool (yet)
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| 10:21 | the first thing after https://bugs.launchpad.net/ is always the upstream project ... for ubuntu packages that indeed needs to be ubuntu
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| 10:39 | <Nubae> sigh... now we've got the edubuntu finger pointing moving to k12 ltsp
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| 10:39 | <quote>LTSP 5 in Edubuntu has created some general problems with older, lightweight thin clients. DRBL works fine with older machines. The progress is encouraging for the latest Fedora spin.</quote>
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| 10:40 | <ogra> ??
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| 10:40 | <ogra> warren, do you secretly work on including DRBL instaed of LTSP ?
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| 10:41 | and dont tell us ... :)
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| 10:41 | <warren> ogra: who the heck is leaking that?
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| 10:41 | I mean saying that.
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| 10:41 | <ogra> heh
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| 10:41 | teher is a discussion on the edubuntu-users ML
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| 10:41 | <warren> ogra: I was saying "DRBL sounds like a good idea." on a list yesterday
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| 10:41 | <ogra> hah
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| 10:42 | <warren> but I also said I wouldn't work on it until late October
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| 10:42 | <ogra> it is ... but its really not different to ltsp with a full desktop install in the chroot
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| 10:42 | <warren> well, most of it already works today, but we don't have convenient tools or docs
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| 10:43 | <Nubae> drbl is great, but it would seem sorta silly to put 2 different ways to do the same thing together
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| 10:44 | make thin clients fat is easy enough, drbl is not needed in LTSP
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| 10:44 | <ogra> right
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| 10:44 | <Q-FUNK> PhatKlient
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| 10:44 | PhatKan
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| 10:44 | <ogra> i surely wont block anyone who wants to put it into ubuntu universe
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| 10:46 | <Nubae> ogra: requires some time to finish the scripts, but most of the work is done
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| 10:46 | <ogra> yeah
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| 10:47 | <Nubae> ogra: do u know where the install instructions are for debian (ltsp that is)?
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| 10:47 | <ogra> !debian
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| 10:47 | <ltspbot> ogra: "debian" is is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
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| 10:47 | <ogra> the bot does :)
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| 11:07 | <vagrantc> Nubae: the instructions for installing debian are pretty sparse. feel free to improve them :)
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| 11:08 | Nubae: pretty much: apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone && ltsp-build-client
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| 11:08 | with a few additional tweaks here and there.
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| 11:08 | <Nubae> vagrantc: I suppose you don't have a downloadable iso for the ltsp version of debian...?
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| 11:09 | well, instructions are real similar to ltsp on top of ubuntu from what I can see
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| 11:09 | <vagrantc> they are real similar
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| 11:10 | major difference is that ubuntu defaults to using NBD+squashfs+unionfs/aufs and debian defaults to using NFS
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| 11:10 | <Nubae> oh... really, how come?
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| 11:10 | <vagrantc> simplicity
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| 11:12 | <Nubae> is it still true that backports is needed?
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| 11:12 | <vagrantc> are you using etch?
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| 11:13 | <Nubae> lenny
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| 11:13 | but this is for documentation
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| 11:13 | <vagrantc> backports are only for etch
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| 11:13 | <Nubae> ok, so I leave it out :-)
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| 11:13 | <vagrantc> lenny has slightly newer versions of everything
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| 11:13 | <Nubae> cool
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| 11:14 | <vagrantc> it's in pretty decent shape, last i checked (yesterday)
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| 11:27 | <Nubae> what version of debian is in skolelinux?
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| 11:28 | <vagrantc> depends on what version of skolelinux
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| 11:28 | <Q-FUNK> sarge, I think
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| 11:29 | <vagrantc> there's a sarge-based, etch-based, and lenny-based skolelinux
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| 11:29 | <Nubae> oh... skolelinux uses ltsp 5?
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| 11:29 | <vagrantc> lenny, of course, not yet released
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| 11:29 | <_UsUrPeR_> Who in here has a dual-head capable client? I need someone to run through a write-up I made for dual-head monitor capability before I put it in a wiki or something.
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| 11:29 | <vagrantc> skolelinux was actually the very first distro to use ltsp5 (predating ubuntu by about 2 weeks)
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| 11:30 | <Nubae> hmmm... how about that
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| 11:30 | <vagrantc> although, the implementation sucked :)
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| 11:30 | but ubuntu's wasn't much better
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| 11:32 | <Q-FUNK> right. the one we tested the thincan with at linuxtag was sarge or etch-base
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| 11:34 | <Nubae> but most people seem to be running debian edu, which is sarge based
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| 11:34 | and ltsp 5 or 4.2?
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| 11:35 | <Nubae> also, on a side note, vagrantc: someone mentioned you are working on a massive deployment in Spain...
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| 11:36 | <vagrantc> Nubae: debian-edu and skolelinux are identical. the same thing.
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| 11:36 | Nubae: so there are multiple versions of each.
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| 11:36 | <Nubae> I live in Spain, normally, down south... I'd love to get involved in anything like that
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| 11:37 | ok, I thought debian edu, was a codename for one of the versions of skolelinux (2.0)
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| 11:37 | <vagrantc> i wasn't working directly on the deployment in extremadura, spain, but have worked a little with some of the folks who have ...
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| 11:37 | <Q-FUNK> I'd love to deply thincans there...
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| 11:38 | however, I have yet to figure out who I should talk to there to introduce our goodies
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| 11:38 | Nubae: was it nayfair accademy you had refered to us?
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| 11:38 | <Nubae> Q-FUNK: same here, I'd love to talk to someone thats involved there... I speak fluent Spanish too, which might help
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| 11:39 | Q-FUNK: yeah
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| 11:39 | they got their 3 cans
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| 11:39 | <Q-FUNK> I'm not fluent, but I understand mostly ok
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| 11:39 | <Nubae> no time for testing yet
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| 11:39 | <Q-FUNK> they e-mailed us last week asking for instructions how to test them
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| 11:39 | <Nubae> I wanted to test one of the cans for phat client
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| 11:40 | <vagrantc> Nubae: "itais" is the nick of the person i've worked with. haven't seen them around much lately.
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| 11:40 | <Nubae> hehe... yeah, they're a bit lost in the wind without me on the ground there... I'm currently in Vienna, Austria
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| 11:40 | <Q-FUNK> glög in veinna would be nice. at the x-mas market. with a generous spread of raclette!
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| 11:40 | <Nubae> vagrantc: thanks, I'll see if I get to email them
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| 11:41 | glüh wein ;-)
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| 11:41 | good stuff for the body and spirit
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| 11:42 | <Nubae> vagrantc: so u did the ltsp implementation for skolelinux?
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| 11:43 | <vagrantc> Nubae: mostly, i just work on debian, and sometimes use debian-edu as a guinea pig :)
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| 11:43 | <Q-FUNK> yeah. glög and a huge bread with tyrolian cheese as raclette on it! :D
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| 11:44 | <vagrantc> Nubae: debian-edu is one of the more organized debian projects making use of LTSP, so i sometimes help with that. i also like the idea of debian-edu... getting free software into schools seems really smart.
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| 11:46 | <Nubae> yeah indeed... I've been working with various opportunities to do the same, olpc, ole, independent schools
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| 11:46 | but my heart lies in LTSP... I see it making the real breakthroughs for schools
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| 11:46 | <vagrantc> me too :)
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| 11:54 | <Nubae> vagrantc: and skolelinux uses kde?
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| 12:07 | <vagrantc> Nubae: yeah. there's some folks who use gnome with it, but the default is kde.
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| 12:08 | <vagrantc> Nubae: but it's basically just a configured debian install.
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| 12:10 | <_UsUrPeR_> OK! I just finished testing a configuration for dual-monitor support, and have created a write-up with instructions on how to get dual-monitors working with LTSP clients that have the capability. Where should I put this write-up?
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| 12:10 | is there a particular wiki page?
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| 12:23 | <sbalneav> _UsUrPeR_: Why don't you email me the write up, and I can add it to the LTSP docbook docs
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| 12:24 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: do you have the capability to verify that this works for you? I have run through my own instructions twice now, but I want to make sure this will work on someone else's computer first.
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| 12:25 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: also, what's your email addy?
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| 12:26 | <vagrantc> yay! sshfs-fuse 2.1 made it into lenny :)
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| 12:28 | <sbalneav> sbalneav@ltsp.org
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| 12:28 | _UsUrPeR_: Well, I can try. I've got a dual headed ATI card at home, I think.
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| 12:29 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok, this is specific for via drivers, so you will need to make a change in the xorg.conf. Just be aware of that.
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| 12:30 | <sbalneav> _UsUrPeR_: put your real name in the docs, so I can add you to the copyright headers in the docs.
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| 12:34 | <_UsUrPeR_> oh, whoops. Missed that part
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| 12:35 | <Nubae> _UsUrPeR_: please send to me so I can add to documentation
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| 12:35 | dvanassche@gmail.com
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| 12:37 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav and nubae: I have just re-sent a copy of this to both of you with my full name
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| 12:38 | <sbalneav> Excellent. Between the two of us we'll get it in there.
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| 12:38 | <_UsUrPeR_> cool
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| 12:38 | <sbalneav> Nubae: Did you see the mods I made to put back in the copyright notrices?
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| 12:39 | <vagrantc> Nubae: were you at the hackfest late july?
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| 12:40 | <sbalneav> Wasn't Nubae the fellow working on the docs port?
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| 12:40 | that setup our docs branch from what I did in Edubuntu?
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| 12:40 | * vagrantc is trying to connect nicks, names and faces | |
| 12:40 | <sbalneav> Or am I getting a mid-life brain fart?
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| 12:43 | <Nubae> vagrantc: I wasn't no...
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| 12:43 | sbalneav: yeah am doing docos
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| 12:43 | sbalneav: when did u commit that?
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| 12:44 | <sbalneav> I might have stuck it in mu own branch. Hold on....
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| 12:44 | lemme see
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| 12:44 | * Nubae is busy banging his head against an email wall (edubuntu-users) | |
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| 12:47 | <vagrantc> seems like haven't been commits on ltsp-docs-trunk since the hackfest (or shortly after): https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-docwriters/ltsp/ltsp-docs-trunk
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| 12:47 | <Nubae> <quote> I find it hard to believe that any devs with any power or will to improve Edu/Ubu Buntu actually read this list and take the time to test fixes. What is your relationship with Canonical and your depth of experience setting up, deploying, supporting, and advocting on behalf of Thin Client setups, David?</quote>
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| 12:47 | yeah, I'm about to make a commit now... wanted to finish putting in debian install instructions ;-)
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| 12:48 | <sbalneav> Nubae: I think it's at home on my lappy. Do you want me to commit directly to the trunk, or should I branch and post stat
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| 12:48 | that
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| 12:48 | Oh my rented fingers.
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| 12:49 | <vagrantc> whoah. there's a manpage for lts.conf ?
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| 12:51 | <master_> What is the most popular hardware to use for thin clients now days?
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| 12:51 | <Nubae> branch and post
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| 12:51 | <sbalneav> Nubae: Will do.
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| 12:52 | master_: There's lots of custom thin client hardware out there. Personally, I use VIA Eden MicroATX mobos in a small case.
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| 12:53 | <warren> no fan?
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| 12:53 | <master_> sbalneav: I used Eden boards to setup several labs, about 5 years ago.. I thought there must be something better/different by now..
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| 12:53 | Of course.. they worked great and still do..
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| 12:54 | <SupremeMind> hi all
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| 12:54 | <sbalneav> master_: I'm using the newer fanless 1ghz model, with a gig of ram. All told they cost me about 200 bucks
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| 12:55 | <master_> I am thinking now though, it might be better to just use solid state IDE drives and just install the OS locally, configured to remotely connect..
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| 12:55 | <SupremeMind> where can i find cheap but powerful, fully supported, plug&play thin clients?
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| 12:55 | <master_> sbalneav: 5 years ago they were fanless, 1ghz, and w/ case costed us about 200 bucks..
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| 12:55 | or.. actually maybe they were 500mhz
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| 12:55 | can't remember for sure
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| 12:56 | <SupremeMind> master_, where do you get this machines?
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| 12:56 | <master_> SupremeMind: It was about 5 years ago. I don't remember.. But I just used the Eden mini-ITX boards w/ case.. multiple vendors supply them.
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| 12:57 | <SupremeMind> and what about performance? in multimedia?
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| 12:57 | <sbalneav> master_: yeah, they were 550 mhz, I've got a ton of those boards
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| 12:58 | <master_> I am thinking about ditching ltsp, though.. installing a slim OS on a solid state IDE and using ssh to administer them in bulk is probably easier..
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| 12:58 | sbalneav: they proved to be quite reliable..
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| 12:58 | <sbalneav> Yeah, they were a great little motherboard.
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| 13:07 | <SupremeMind> what about if i use a client with gigabit ethernet, can we note the difference in youtube for example?
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| 13:09 | <sbalneav> Certainly, a faster network's going to help network intensive applications like youtube
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| 13:09 | <SupremeMind> can i use flash fluidly?
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| 13:09 | <_UsUrPeR_> if someone asks where they can purchase thin clients, is it ok for me to point them towards someone I am affiliated with in here?
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| 13:10 | <sbalneav> SupremeMind: You'd have to test. Some flash applications are more fluid than others
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| 13:10 | _UsUrPeR_: I don't see why not.
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| 13:11 | Certainly disklessworkstations.com is one to check out
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| 13:11 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: just making sure.
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| 13:11 | <sbalneav> _UsUrPeR_'s probably got some suggestions too.
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| 13:11 | <SupremeMind> im looking for clients in that site
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| 13:11 | right now
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| 13:15 | <Nubae> master_: check thincan.org
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| 13:24 | <master_> Nubae: ok.. thanks
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| 13:25 | <Nubae> _UsUrPeR_: dual monitors is only for via chipsets?
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| 13:26 | <_UsUrPeR_> negative. It will work with anything that can load drivers through xorg
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| 13:27 | I have only tested this with VIA chipsets because that's the only thinclients we have at the moment with dual-monitor solutions.
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| 13:27 | <Gadi> _UsUrPeR_: did you ever get it going with openchrome?
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| 13:28 | <sbalneav> Gadi!!!
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| 13:28 | <Gadi> !s
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| 13:28 | <ltspbot> Gadi: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 13:28 | <Gadi> hey, man
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| 13:28 | * Gadi waves to all | |
| 13:28 | <sbalneav> *YOU'RE* coming to Maine, yes?
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| 13:29 | <Gadi> what are the latest dates?
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| 13:29 | :)
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| 13:30 | <Q-FUNK> _UsUrPeR_: which model exactly? I've had multihead on my to-do list and would need a competing porduct to convince management that there's a market
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| 13:31 | <sbalneav> I'm flying to Detroit Rock City to meet up with Jimmy Mac, and we'll drive out, and should be there on the 6th
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| 13:31 | <Gadi> lol
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| 13:31 | 11/6 - 11/9?
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| 13:31 | <sbalneav> Summthin like that
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| 13:31 | <Q-FUNK> master_: thincan question?
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| 13:31 | <Gadi> sounds good to me - why the hell not go to Maine in the middle of November?
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| 13:31 | ;)
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| 13:32 | <master_> Q-FUNK: do you have some in operation?
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| 13:32 | <Gadi> I'll bring underwear with an electric cord
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| 13:32 | <johnny> so what's up with lodgings ?
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| 13:32 | <Q-FUNK> master_: better yet, we design and manufacture them
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| 13:33 | <master_> Q-FUNK: good to know.. but you'd be biased..
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| 13:33 | <sbalneav> master_: I've got one of their boxes. They're a nice little unit.
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| 13:33 | <_UsUrPeR_> q-funk: I have tested this exact setup on the following models: TK-3772, TK-3770, and the TK-3752
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| 13:34 | <master_> Q-FUNK: I am thinking of just putting the OS w/ X and rdesktop + sound on each box, instead of remote booting.
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| 13:34 | Q-FUNK: is there a linux distro already configured for it?
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| 13:34 | <Gadi> LTSP
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| 13:34 | :)
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| 13:34 | <Q-FUNK> master_: feasible, but you'd need to build your own mini-distro
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| 13:34 | <Gadi> knoppix
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| 13:34 | dsl
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| 13:34 | ....
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| 13:34 | <master_> Q-FUNK: I'd like to do away with the need for a special LTSP server.. and simplify things.
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| 13:35 | <Q-FUNK> master_: if not revnetek.eu already has some mini OS image with rdesktop on it
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| 13:35 | <master_> Also.. not have to worry about conflicting with the Windows-based dhcp server
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| 13:36 | <Q-FUNK> revnetek has done a lot of custom OS variants for the thincan. tell Henrik that we sent you :)
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| 13:36 | <master_> Q-FUNK: how long have they been around? (reliability is my point here)
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| 13:36 | <Guest56741> .
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| 13:37 | <Q-FUNK> they've been among our OEM partners for a few years already. since... was it 2003, already
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| 13:38 | <Q-FUNK> _UsUrPeR_: ok, thanks. I'll check them out.
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| 13:40 | <wwx> revnetek boxes work well
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| 13:41 | <Q-FUNK> ah yes, wwx bought some from them (although he cooks his own OS images for the thincan, too)
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| 13:41 | <wwx> tried some of them 2 years ago
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| 13:42 | <wwx> Q-FUNK, at first i obtained all thincans via artec's oem partner as you know already. with their software
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| 13:42 | <Q-FUNK> yup
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| 13:44 | master_: actually, wwx is as close to an unbiased opinion from a satisfied customer with developing experience on the thincan as you can get. any closer to Artec than that and you'd end up with employees.
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| 13:45 | him and revnetek are both fairly experienced at building custom OS images and even Coreboot targets for the thincan.
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| 13:46 | <master_> Q-FUNK: ok.. I will look more at it. We need clients for our department (at a university) and also for a local charter school.
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| 13:46 | We are using VMware ESX and likely to use VDI, actually..
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| 13:47 | So everyone literally does have their own machine.. albeit virtual.
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| 13:47 | and its failover redundant.
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| 13:47 | <Q-FUNK> ok
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| 13:47 | nice
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| 13:47 | <wwx> master_, you can buy directly from revnetek guys too i think...
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| 13:47 | <master_> thanks..
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| 13:48 | <Q-FUNK> yeah, we only sell PXE boxes at artec.
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| 13:49 | there's talks of us taking over distribution of boxes with the revnetek OS images too, since they have reoriented their business models away from hardware sales, but nothing concrete yet.
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| 13:49 | <wwx> btw, afaik they have even all (or most) sources in cvs
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| 13:50 | <Q-FUNK> at least they used to
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| 13:50 | online
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| 13:50 | haven't checked in a while
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| 13:51 | <wwx> master_, check this too: http://www.smartlinkgroup.com/images/stories/tc/DBE61manual1lkblank.pdf
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| 14:07 | <Q-FUNK> all this talk about raclette makes me wonder if there's any good cheese at the Prisma that I could grab to cook my own here?
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| 14:12 | <vagrantc> ok, so should i just go ahead with the xrexec -> localapp renaming ?
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| 14:12 | i'd also want to change /var/cache/ldm to /var/cache/localapp
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| 14:42 | <Gadi> vagrantc: not to nitpick, but could we do "localapps"
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| 14:42 | so it is consistent with the lts.conf var
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| 14:43 | <warren> Gadi: what did he pick instead?
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| 14:43 | Gadi: I want to get a patch that sets ALSA volume in
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| 14:43 | Gadi: could you please post what you use?
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| 14:43 | <Gadi> (03:12:39 PM) vagrantc: i'd also want to change /var/cache/ldm to /var/cache/localapp
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| 14:43 | <warren> I'm OK with a consistent plural
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| 14:44 | * Gadi wonders if it would not be wise to preface such dirs with ltsp-, too (in case there is an app someday named "localapps" | |
| 14:44 | <warren> I wouldn't worry about that specifically.
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| 14:44 | <Nubae> but then everything should have that prefix, no?
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| 14:45 | <warren> Gadi: I would really like to get something for ALSA volume setting in
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| 14:45 | Gadi: I could just write somethig but you mentioned you had something different
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| 14:45 | <Gadi> well, usually /var/run/blah and /var/cache/blah are made by a package named "blah"
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| 14:45 | <Nubae> right now volume is preset in some of the scripts right?
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| 14:45 | I remember seeing it was preset to 80%
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| 14:45 | <Gadi> warren: I'll paste...
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| 14:45 | 1 sec
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| 14:46 | <warren> Nubae: preset to 74% here, but yes, preset, and you can't change it from pulseaudio
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| 14:46 | <Nubae> so change for variable sounds like a good idea
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| 14:47 | <ltsppbot> "Gadi" pasted "Some sound init stuff for warren" (16 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/62
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| 14:47 | <Nubae> IMHO the preset is too low for things like youtube
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| 14:48 | <warren> Gadi: hmm, you hit the ones I had in mind.
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| 14:48 | <Gadi> :)
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| 14:48 | yeah, it works well for most things
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| 14:48 | <warren> does unmute bring it to 100%?
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| 14:48 | mine are already not muted, but preset to 74%
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| 14:48 | <Gadi> no
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| 14:49 | <Gadi> unmute by itself just unmutes
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| 14:49 | <warren> pulseaudio can't change them
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| 14:49 | so I need the presets higher
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| 14:49 | <Gadi> right - so with this code, you could set: VOLUME=100
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| 14:49 | <warren> VOLUME in your code only sets Master*
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| 14:50 | <vagrantc> Gadi: ok, will make it all pluralized.
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| 14:50 | <warren> while those others are independent on most chips
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| 14:50 | you need to raise both
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| 14:50 | <vagrantc> although localappsd is nearly as bad as ltspfsmounter
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| 14:50 | <Gadi> it depends
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| 14:50 | its highly driver specific
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| 14:50 | <vagrantc> at least it has a fair number of vowels.
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| 14:50 | <warren> yes, but if you raise all it generally works.
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| 14:51 | vagrantc: you mean it shouldn't be ltspfsmntr?
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| 14:51 | <Gadi> many times, if you raise PCM to high you saturate
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| 14:51 | <vagrantc> warren: yes. that makes my primordial fear of vowels much happier.
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| 14:51 | makes it feel more true unix.
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| 14:52 | i've been mentioning unix's lack of vowels in my rudimentary commandline courses lately.
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| 14:52 | <Gadi> any of you guys familiar with NAPI Tx/Rx polling in the kernel?
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| 14:54 | <warren> Gadi: I propose adding code like yours, except it sets to 95% by default if you didn't specify a value.
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| 14:54 | Gadi: is VOLUME too generic of a name?
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| 14:55 | ALSA_VOLUME?
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| 14:55 | <vagrantc> Gadi: regarding prefixing everything with ltsp ... i've been slowly trying to nudge to use a sub-dir for everything ... i.e. /var/run/ltsp/foo /var/run/ltsp/bar ...
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| 14:55 | <Gadi> warren: these values are from LTSP4
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| 14:55 | s/values/variables/
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| 14:56 | <warren> they are?
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| 14:56 | <Gadi> yup
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| 14:56 | <warren> so LTSP5 later removed it?
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| 14:56 | <Gadi> yup
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| 14:56 | sad, but true
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| 14:56 | your K12LTSP folks will be happy if you keep the vars
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| 14:56 | <warren> ok, I'd like to go ahead with your code, except default to 95% on all values except 100% on Master* if not specified.
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| 14:56 | This isn't perfect, but nothing else.
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| 14:56 | err
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| 14:57 | <Gadi> warren: should we set default values in ltsp_config?
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| 14:57 | <warren> nothing is
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| 14:57 | hm
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| 14:57 | Gadi: I guess so.
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| 14:57 | what kind of script is this? when does it run?
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| 14:57 | <Gadi> I have it run in init.d
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| 14:57 | this is part of an init.d script I should say
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| 14:58 | it should obviously run after the sound driver is loaded
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| 14:58 | <warren> does init.d exist already upstream?
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| 14:58 | oh you mean /etc/rc.d/init.d?
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| 14:59 | <Gadi> well, I know in ubuntu, there is ltsp-client-setup and ltsp-client-core
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| 14:59 | well, in Gutsy anyway
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| 14:59 | I haven't looked in intrepid
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| 14:59 | ah, yes, I meant /etc/init.d
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| 14:59 | sorry
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| 15:00 | <warren> so this script isn't in Debian or Ubuntu?
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| 15:00 | <Gadi> no
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| 15:00 | LTSP5 doesnt do this
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| 15:00 | it was one of the things that failed to be reimplemented from LTSP4
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| 15:01 | its something I do in my chroots
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| 15:03 | <warren> ok....
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| 15:03 | hm
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| 15:03 | I'm not sure /etc/init.d is the best place for this
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| 15:03 | <warren> this isn't a fully formed init.d script in syntax and structure
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| 15:04 | <vagrantc> any problem with moving localapps into the top-level dir of ltsp-trunk ?
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| 15:05 | i.e. mv client/xrexec -> localapps/
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| 15:10 | * vagrantc excercises the power of revision control | |
| 15:11 | <warren> just do it
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| 15:11 | <vagrantc> indeed.
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| 15:12 | <Gadi> warren: don't we have upstream init.d scripts?
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| 15:12 | <vagrantc> pushed. now i'll test and see if it's broken :)
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| 15:12 | <Gadi> to configure_sound, etc
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| 15:12 | <vagrantc> after tweaking my packaging and such
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| 15:12 | <Gadi> ie, pulseaudio, etc
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| 15:12 | put it wherever that is
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| 15:12 | wherever pulseaudio gets started
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| 15:13 | <warren> Gadi: that's near the place where the screen sessions tart
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| 15:13 | oh damn. I really need a nap.
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| 15:13 | bbl
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| 15:46 | <warren> that was quite a power nap
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| 16:28 | <vagrantc> hmmm... i guess my original proposal was to rename it ltsp-localapp*
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| 19:36 | <warren> How well tested is the xrexec* rename?
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| 21:35 | <Guevara> olá pessoal
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| 21:35 | alguem fala portugues ou espanhol?
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| 21:36 | hi everybody
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| 21:36 | alguem pode dar uma força aqui?
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| 21:37 | jcastro, fala portugues?
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| 21:38 | hi johnny
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| 21:38 | hi laga
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| 21:38 | hi leio
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| 21:38 | oi Patina_
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| 22:02 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 22:18 | <johnny> hi scott
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| 22:20 | <Guevara> hi everybody
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| 22:20 | <johnny> please don't message random people in the room next time.. that's not nice
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| 22:21 | <Guevara> sorry, hi johnny
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| 22:21 | <johnny> sbalneav, so .. what's the deal with lodging for bts?
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| 22:21 | <Guevara> can you helpme?
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| 22:21 | <johnny> i don't know
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| 22:22 | <Guevara> vcs fazem o q aqui?
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| 22:22 | <johnny> huh?
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| 22:23 | <Guevara> 64 pessoas q nao falam nada?
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| 22:23 | <japerry_cat> ...
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| 22:23 | <johnny> don't think anybody who knwos that language is here
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| 22:24 | <sbalneav> johnny: Well, we're staying at the seawall hotel
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| 22:24 | <Guevara> johnny: can you helpme? i from brasil and my english is not nice
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| 22:24 | <japerry> Guevara: ask your question
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| 22:24 | but you may or may not get a response
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| 22:24 | <Guevara> japerry: hi, how i install aplications on ltsp under ubuntu 8.04 ?
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| 22:24 | <johnny> the same way you install any other application on ubuntu 8.04
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| 22:25 | <Guevara> copy sources list on /etc/ltsp and?
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| 22:25 | <johnny> sbalneav, sure.. BUT.. are rooms reserved already? deals made? or anything like that?
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| 22:25 | no
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| 22:25 | just the same was as any other applications that are not at all related to ltsp
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| 22:26 | <Guevara> i install aplications on ubuntu on synaptic or apt-get install, but how install for clients?
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| 22:26 | <sbalneav> johnny: Well, it's off season, and we know the fellow who runs it. At this point, we have the whole hotel (20 rooms) to ourselves :)
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| 22:27 | Guevara: Anything you install on the server via synaptic will also be available on the clients.
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| 22:27 | <johnny> sbalneav, so.. i just fork over the money and reserve the room as stated?
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| 22:27 | on their site
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| 22:27 | <Guevara> ok, and how i configure this for clients? do you know GUI for this?
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| 22:28 | <johnny> you don't, they just work
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| 22:28 | <sbalneav> johnny: Talk to jammcq tomorrow, but I think at this point a "yeah, I'll be there" is enough to reserve a room :)
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| 22:28 | Guevara: logging in from a thin client is almost exactly the same as logging in on the console
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| 22:29 | all the same applications will be there.
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| 22:29 | <Guevara> sabayon and pessulus work together?
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| 22:29 | ok sbalneav
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| 22:29 | <johnny> sabayon barely works
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| 22:29 | at all
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| 22:29 | <Guevara> barely?
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| 22:29 | <johnny> i fixed it up somewhat.. just don't have time or money to do it right
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| 22:29 | it has some nasty bugs
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| 22:29 | you can't edit top panel stuff
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| 22:29 | or any panel applets
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| 22:29 | <sbalneav> sabayon needs some work. :)
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| 22:30 | <johnny> sbalneav, yeah.. one day i might get back to it.. i'm just too broke to do it
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| 22:30 | <Guevara> do you prefer sabayon or pessulus
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| 22:30 | ?
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| 22:30 | <sbalneav> I use neither
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| 22:30 | I just set up defaults manually using gconftool-2
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| 22:31 | <johnny> Guevara, sabayon requires pessulus
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| 22:31 | for the locking down
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| 22:31 | <Guevara> :)
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| 22:31 | do you know others GUI for Ubuntu?
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| 22:31 | <johnny> GUI for what?
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| 22:31 | locking things down?
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| 22:31 | no
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| 22:31 | only for kde/kubuntu
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| 22:31 | haven't personally used it tho
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| 22:32 | so i have no idea if it works or works well
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| 22:32 | <Guevara> for configuring clients video configurations
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| 22:32 | <johnny> neither are for that
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| 22:32 | do that in lts.conf
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| 22:32 | <sbalneav> Guevara: What kind of thin clients do you have?
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| 22:32 | <johnny> uggh.. my ejabberd server == BROKEN :(
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| 22:33 | stupid thing
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| 22:33 | <Guevara> ok, but if i get wrong configurations, can i run ltsp-update after reconfiguring lts.conf?
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| 22:33 | <johnny> you don't have to run ltsp-update
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| 22:33 | <Guevara> thinclients sbalneav, no have hard disks
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| 22:33 | <johnny> just edit the file /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/x86/lts.conf
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| 22:33 | <Guevara> why not johnny?
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| 22:34 | <johnny> because it is unnecessary
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| 22:34 | <sbalneav> Guevara: Yes, I assumed that, but how much ram, what kind of processor, what kind of video card, etc.
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| 22:34 | <johnny> it gets it from the tftp server
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| 22:35 | <Guevara> sbalneav: in the clients have a pcchips mother board, ethernet rtl8139
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| 22:35 | <Guevara> johnny: edit the file /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/x86/lts.conf on ubuntu?
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| 22:35 | <sbalneav> Guevara: What processor speed and how much ram?
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| 22:35 | <johnny> you need to know what values to put in there, a file called lts-parameters.txt to see the values you need.
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| 22:36 | <Guevara> sbalneav: in the clients pentium II 350mhz
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| 22:36 | <sbalneav> how much memory?
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| 22:36 | <Guevara> 64
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| 22:37 | <sbalneav> That's not going to be enough
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| 22:37 | <Guevara> olders machines
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| 22:37 | <sbalneav> You'll want at least 128
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| 22:37 | <Guevara> i know, but no have more ram
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| 22:38 | <Guevara> my objectiv is configuring the ambient of the clients
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| 22:38 | <johnny> ambient?
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| 22:38 | <Guevara> i try tomorrow whith sabayon and pessulus
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| 22:39 | <johnny> huh?
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| 22:39 | neither of those will work to do that
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| 22:39 | <Guevara> why?
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| 22:39 | <johnny> because that is not part of the functionality they contain
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| 22:40 | <sbalneav> With 64 megs of ram, you may have trouble getting them to boot
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| 22:41 | <Guevara> the boot is ok, but login use bad resolution
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| 22:41 | under 800x600
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| 22:41 | the cursor of the mouse is very big
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| 22:41 | <johnny> you would set that in lts.conf
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| 22:41 | X_MODE or something
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| 22:42 | <Guevara> i set 800x600
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| 22:42 | driver vesa
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| 22:42 | look this http://twiki.softwarelivre.org/bin/view/PSLGO/RoteiroTerminalServer
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| 22:43 | johnny: i edit the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf: and run ltsp-update
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| 22:43 | <sbalneav> Guevara: Ah, if you're going to run them at 800x600, you should be ok
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| 22:43 | <Guevara> yes
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| 22:43 | <sbalneav> Guevara: That's for old ltsp 4.1
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| 22:43 | <Guevara> after edit the lts.conf and run ltsp-update i have black screen on the client
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| 22:46 | i have this error on ltsp-manager http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/ubuntu-63/futurewarning-apt-api-not-stable-yet-ltsp-manager-throws-an-error.-653726/
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| 22:46 | <johnny> ltsp-manager isn't used anymore
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| 22:46 | that is old
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| 22:46 | <Guevara> =/
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| 22:46 | ok, i unistall tomorrow
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| 22:47 | <sbalneav> Are you running this on an ubuntu server?
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| 22:47 | Or an old sarge server?
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| 22:47 | <Guevara> no, running on ubuntu desktop
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| 22:47 | ubuntu 8.04 desktop
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| 22:47 | <sbalneav> Did you install ltsp-server-standalone? Or did you install the ltsp packages from skolelinux?
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| 22:48 | <Guevara> i have install standalone
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| 22:48 | from synaptic
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| 22:48 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 22:48 | <Guevara> i lern the tutorials
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| 22:48 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP
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| 22:48 | <sbalneav> then don't follow things on that page you pointed us to.
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| 22:49 | it's documentation for a very old version
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| 22:49 | <Guevara> yes sbalneav
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| 22:49 | yhis is my problem
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| 22:49 | this*
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| 22:49 | older tutorials
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| 22:50 | <sbalneav> Have a look here for more up-to-date info
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| 22:50 | http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edubuntu/handbook/C/
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| 22:50 | <Guevara> :)
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| 22:50 | open
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| 22:51 | i install the client manager from synaptic
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| 22:51 | :) this screen i have
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| 22:53 | http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edubuntu/handbook/C/ch03s07.html :)
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| 22:53 | System->Administration->User Profile Editor in this i can edit the resolution video for the clients or only in the lts.conf?
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| 22:54 | <johnny> i already told you
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| 22:54 | <Guevara> my english is not good =/
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| 22:54 | sorry
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| 22:54 | <johnny> lts.conf
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| 22:55 | <Guevara> ok guys, i try tomorrow and back to tell if this works
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| 22:55 | :-D
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| 22:55 | good night
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| 22:56 | thanks!
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| 23:01 | <sbalneav> Nubae: Pong
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