IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 29 May 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 13:42 | <U4> hello all
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| 13:44 | <Hyperbyte> Hi.
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| 13:49 | <U4> me and a friend were wondering
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| 13:50 | can you do NX style session save and restore (possibly on a different client) in LTSP
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| 13:53 | <Hyperbyte> Sure, although by default LTSP only support RDP I think.
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| 13:53 | You should be able to create a custom startup script for FreeNX though, and install FreeNX into the client chroot.
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| 13:54 | There's some info on it here http://www.telemedia.ch/publ/ltsp-howto.html (at the bottom of the page)
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| 13:55 | <U4> is that not just using NX? and only using LTSP trun the NX Client? :p
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| 13:56 | <Hyperbyte> Yes, what else were you looking for?
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| 13:57 | <U4> sorry, not quite what i was thinking of
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| 13:59 | <Hyperbyte> Then what were you thinking of?
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| 14:00 | <U4> i was just thinking of for example i lock my ltsp session, and restore it from another client
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| 14:00 | we have two rooms in our office, and i work in both of them
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| 14:01 | <Hyperbyte> Ah.
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| 14:01 | Well, for that you should stick around 'till someone who knows the answer to that comes along. :)
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| 14:01 | <U4> if i wanted to use NX, i'd use NX :p (NX sucks)
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| 14:01 | heh ok
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| 14:01 | <Hyperbyte> I misread your question a little.
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| 14:02 | <U4> ]dw
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| 14:02 | *dont worry
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| 14:02 | <Hyperbyte> I never do. :)
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| 14:04 | <alkisg> U4: X doesn't support suspend and resume, so you'd need some kind of an x-proxy for that
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| 14:05 | <U4> aah
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| 14:05 | thanks :)
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| 14:05 | <alkisg> See the nomad project, I think they've done something similar
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| 14:05 | <Hyperbyte> Oh, hi Alkis. :)
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| 14:05 | <alkisg> Hi Hyperbyte
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| 14:05 | <Hyperbyte> Things ok in Greece? :)
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| 14:06 | <alkisg> Just fine - just came back from mountain hiking, my feet hurt after 2 days of climbing... :D
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| 14:07 | U4: why do you think that NX sucks? It's working fine for me...
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| 14:08 | I'm using it for remote access to my ltsp server from home, and even allowed some of the students to do that as well..
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| 14:08 | <U4> usb devices, sound, video...
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| 14:09 | we have a few in the department, even over lan, they cant actually do anything well
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| 14:10 | <alkisg> Which server are you using? The proprietary one or e.g. freenx?
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| 14:11 | <U4> prop
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| 14:11 | maybe it's just a bad experience that's put me off
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| 14:13 | ltsp is several universes better than NX, but it still doesnt come close to actual real cloned machines
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| 14:13 | <alkisg> LTSP with fat clients is exactly like cloned machines, performance-wise
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| 14:14 | <U4> ooh
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| 14:14 | <alkisg> NX uses compression etc, so for video it'll of course be much worse than plain X
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| 14:14 | <U4> aye
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| 14:14 | * alkisg hopes the openssh guys finally allowed the null cipher, for ssh without compression... | |
| 14:14 | <U4> ?
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| 14:15 | <alkisg> Then all the programs that use ssh could do it without compression/encryption, i.e. without any overhead, useful for trusted environments where speed matters more than security
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| 14:15 | <U4> ssh is compressed?
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| 14:15 | <alkisg> So nx there would be very fast
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| 14:15 | <U4> i thought you had to request it with -C
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| 14:15 | ?
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| 14:16 | <alkisg> ssh e.g. => 10 MB/sec, plain X traffic => 100 MB/sec on the same hardware
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| 14:16 | Encryption makes it much slower
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| 14:16 | <U4> aah
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| 14:16 | <alkisg> It also has compression parameters, yes
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| 15:45 | <dubkat> alexqwesa: thats what telnet is for
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| 22:45 | <alkisg> dubkat: you can't run ssh -X over telnet though, can you?
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| 23:41 | <dubkat> probably not. you could just use xdmc or whatever its called
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| 23:42 | <alkisg> xdmcp. Why? The current ltsp solution is better, it uses ssh for secure authentication + xauth magic afterwards
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| 23:43 | But if ssh allowed the null cipher, it would make everything easier, not only with ltsp
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| 23:43 | E.g. nx in LAN would be much faster
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| 23:43 | (allowing for suspend+resume sessions, which xdmcp/ltsp can't)
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| 00:00 | --- Mon May 30 2011 | |