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Channel log from 16 June 2011 (all times are UTC)
| 00:06 | <alkisg> OK, pushed.
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| 00:54 | <fossala> I'm still using 11.04 live cd so it may be a problem with that but I've downloaded stumpwm and it doesn't show up in the login screen (I would normaly start it with xinitrc).
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| 00:55 | On that thought is there a way to make a custom entery? So I can start everything I normally would with xinitrc (stumpwm,feh,dzen,conky)
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| 02:48 | <garymc> Hi Peeps, we currently have an ubuntu LtSP server running in our office. they ahve several Thin clients running on it. I bring in my Sony VIAO and I connect the netwrok cable into the back of the Sony. But I just cant access the internet. why would this be?
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| 02:48 | I dont want to use the sony as a Thin Client by PXE booting, I just want internet connection for my laptop
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| 02:50 | <Appiah> well
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| 02:50 | that has nothing to do with ltsp really
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| 02:51 | <garymc> yes I know that , but why cant I just plug the Network cable into my comp and have internet access?
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| 02:51 | <Appiah> if you want to your linux server to nat your network you have to configure it to do so
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| 02:51 | <garymc> where should I ask
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| 02:51 | <Appiah> beacuse you have no such configuration
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| 02:52 | the thin clients are accessing the internet directly from the server, not from the client -> server -> internet
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| 02:52 | ask in #ubuntu
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| 02:52 | <garymc> Well the Switch has the internet connected to it. then the switch connects to the LTSP server and a Asterisk Server they all use the same internet connection
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| 02:52 | Im basicly just plugging into the Network Switch
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| 02:52 | <Appiah> and you get and IP?
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| 02:53 | and DNS?
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| 02:53 | <garymc> yes
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| 02:53 | <Appiah> and you can do namelookups?
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| 02:53 | <garymc> namelookups?
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| 02:53 | <Appiah> can you resolv www.google.com?
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| 02:53 | <garymc> I look at the Network driver and it shows my IP etc
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| 02:53 | no I cant get google
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| 02:53 | <Appiah> can you ping the dns?
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| 02:54 | <garymc> hmmm not sure
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| 02:54 | i just run command ping dnsaddress ?
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| 02:54 | <Appiah> ping #.#.#.# where # is the DNS you got from the DHCP
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| 02:55 | cat /etc/resolv.conf or check your GUI
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| 02:55 | <garymc> no it times out
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| 02:55 | its a windows laptop so I used cmd
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| 02:55 | <Appiah> compare DNS settings with your LTSP-server
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| 02:55 | <garymc> ping 192.168.0.1
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| 02:55 | ^ thats the DNS showing up
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| 02:55 | <Appiah> well check ipconfig /all
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| 02:56 | (or any other computer with working internet connection)
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| 02:57 | <garymc> ipconfig /all doesnt work
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| 02:57 | <Appiah> thats a windows command
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| 02:58 | <garymc> oh ok
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| 02:58 | <Appiah> maybe you should just ask whoever manages you network..
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| 02:59 | <alkisg> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ThinClientHowtoNAT
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| 02:59 | <garymc> i manage it :(
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| 02:59 | <Appiah> do you have other clients not using ltsp in this network?
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| 02:59 | <garymc> what it is , we are finding the Thin clients are VERRRY SLOW
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| 03:00 | so we are thinking about changing them for standalone workstations and just giving them a internet connection to access our webserver
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| 03:00 | <Appiah> what's your setup anyway? internet -> ltsp-server -> switch -> clients ?
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| 03:00 | <garymc> ahhhh i will have to check
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| 03:00 | I think thats what it may be
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| 03:01 | <Appiah> ...
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| 03:01 | <garymc> I was thinking it was internet> switch> ltsp server> clients>
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| 03:01 | but what you say there may be correct
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| 03:01 | :S
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| 03:01 | Its a while since I set it all up now
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| 03:01 | well over a year
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| 03:02 | everyone in the office just basicly uses a webserver with software on it and a SQL databse
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| 03:02 | so we dont really need LTSP anymore.
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| 03:02 | It seems to be too slow aswell
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| 03:02 | and we dont really use ity
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| 03:02 | <alkisg> Did you try with LDM_DIRECTX=True?
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| 03:18 | <sunscreen2> runs like a rocket for me garymc
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| 03:18 | and i have not even tryed it on 1000mbps
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| 03:34 | <garymc> DID i time out?
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| 03:34 | <sunscreen2> yup
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| 03:36 | <garymc> so what is LDM_DIRECTX=true
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| 03:36 | alkisg
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| 03:37 | <sunscreen2> non encrypted
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| 03:37 | <garymc> ok im a little lost
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| 03:37 | what is the benefit of this LDM_ thing?
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| 03:38 | <sunscreen2> LDM is the thinclients login manager
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| 03:40 | <alkisg> garymc: LDM_DIRECTX makes ltsp go 10 times faster, at the cost of security
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| 03:41 | You said ltsp was going slow, so that would make it very fast.
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| 03:41 | It's a setting you put in lts.conf. See the lts.conf manpage for details.
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| 03:43 | <garymc> ok
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| 03:43 | whats the security issue?
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| 03:43 | <alkisg> That X traffic travels on the network unencrypted
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| 03:44 | <garymc> why would i need encyption
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| 03:44 | <alkisg> So if someone is sniffing in your *local* network, he may see the keypresses etc of other people
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| 03:44 | Encryption is the default for ltsp, that's usually the reason why some people think it's slow
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| 03:44 | <sunscreen2> why would i need a password box on my login screen
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| 03:47 | <garymc> ok but people form outside would not beable to get in
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| 03:47 | <alkisg> Of course not
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| 03:47 | <garymc> ok
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| 03:47 | so i chenge lts.conf
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| 03:47 | where do I find the man page for that
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| 03:47 | <alkisg> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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| 03:49 | <garymc> thanks
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| 03:50 | ok where is the ltp.conf file stored?
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| 03:51 | i cant seem to find it
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| 03:53 | <alkisg> Run this command on your server:
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| 03:53 | sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 03:53 | There, put:
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| 03:53 | [Default]
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| 03:53 | LDM_DIRECTX=True
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| 03:53 | Save. Reboot your clients.
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| 03:54 | You can also add
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| 03:54 | X_COLOR_DEPTH=16
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| 03:54 | there. That makes it much faster too.
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| 03:54 | <garymc> cool
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| 03:55 | ok ill give it a bash thanks
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| 03:55 | whats the color one do?
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| 03:55 | <sunscreen2> ah bless it
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| 03:55 | <garymc> I dont have an Lts.conf in that directory
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| 03:56 | <alkisg> Yes, if you do those commands it'll be created
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| 03:56 | <sunscreen2> i just tried to plug my usb removable storage drive in and it popped up a message saying "not authorized"
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| 03:56 | <alkisg> Read the man page for what it does
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| 03:56 | <garymc> ahh ok
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| 04:01 | alkisg : I cant get the first line to work. I get error GtK-WARNING **: Cannot open display
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| 04:02 | can i just create the file manualy add it and reboot the clients?
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| 04:02 | <alkisg> garymc: yes, if you don't have an X display then gedit won't work, use vi or something
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| 04:07 | <garymc> ok i created the file in notepad and uploaded it to thew server. Iam now rebooting one thin client to see the effects
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| 04:07 | <alkisg> garymc: if you're using windows then don't use notepad to create files
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| 04:07 | <garymc> im on a mac
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| 04:07 | <alkisg> It puts windows line endings in them, and many scripts can't read them then
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| 04:08 | <garymc> should I redo it with VI
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| 04:08 | <alkisg> run this: file /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 04:08 | What does it say?
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| 04:10 | <garymc> ok
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| 04:10 | it says
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| 04:11 | it says: /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf: ASCII text
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| 04:12 | <alkisg> It should be ok then
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| 04:12 | <garymc> is that right?
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| 04:14 | cool
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| 04:14 | i think its working already
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| 04:14 | ive rebooted one thin client and firfox scrolls fine now
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| 04:14 | before it was jumpy
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| 04:17 | no it doesnt seem to have made any difference
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| 04:17 | :(
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| 04:26 | <alkisg> Sit on the client. Run: ltsp-localapps xterm
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| 04:26 | An xterm will open. Inside it, run: getltscfg -a
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| 04:26 | What's the output?
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| 04:26 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, 'file' doesn't differentiate between Windows newline and Unix newline does it?
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| 04:26 | It's both ascii text.
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| 04:27 | <Hyperbyte> You could run dos2unix on your lts.conf to make sure, dos2unix converts the newlines
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| 04:28 | Ohhh, it does differentiate :o That's sweet.
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| 04:28 | I've been looking for this. =D
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| 04:29 | <alkisg> Right, e.g.: from-notepad.txt: ASCII text, with CRLF line terminators
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| 04:31 | <garymc> no output
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| 04:31 | do I need to run sudo ?
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| 04:32 | <alkisg> No
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| 04:32 | <garymc> yeah no output
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| 04:32 | <alkisg> Did an xterm open?
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| 04:32 | <garymc> yes
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| 04:33 | <alkisg> What's the prompt on that xterm? e.g. garymc@ltsp21 ?
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| 04:33 | <garymc> it was ged@ubuntu
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| 04:33 | ged is the user
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| 04:33 | <alkisg> That's not correct then
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| 04:33 | It's not a local xterm
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| 04:33 | Did you run: ltsp-localapps xterm ?
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| 04:33 | <garymc> ahh hang on
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| 04:33 | i ran that in a terminal window
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| 04:34 | but I had to add sudo at the beginning to get it to work
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| 04:34 | <alkisg> Read again the instructions above. No sudo needed.
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| 04:34 | <garymc> ok
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| 04:35 | <alkisg> Sit on a client. Open gnome-terminal. Inside gnome-terminal, run: ltsp-localapps xterm.
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| 04:35 | An xterm will open. That xterm runs locally on the client, so you should have a ged@ltsp21 prompt there.
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| 04:35 | INSIDE that xterm, run: getltscfg -a
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| 04:35 | <garymc> waiting to log in
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| 04:35 | ok
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| 04:35 | 1 min
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| 04:38 | ok an xterm opens, took a while it has ged@ltsp59:
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| 04:38 | <alkisg> | |
| 04:39 | <garymc> yeah i have im waiting for something to happen
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| 04:39 | <alkisg> How much ram does the client have?
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| 04:39 | <garymc> dont know
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| 04:39 | <alkisg> Those commands should be instantaneous...
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| 04:39 | Run: free
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| 04:39 | (on that local xterm)
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| 04:39 | <garymc> just type free?
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| 04:40 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 04:40 | <garymc> in xterm or terminal
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| 04:40 | <alkisg> In xterm. Close the terminal, we don't need it anymore.
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| 04:40 | <garymc> ok i have ran free
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| 04:40 | <alkisg> What does it say under "total" ?
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| 04:41 | <garymc> 105036
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| 04:41 | <alkisg> Just 100 MB RAM? No wonder why it's slow then
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| 04:41 | <garymc> ok
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| 04:41 | let me check other terminal
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| 04:41 | <alkisg> All your clients are so old?
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| 04:41 | <garymc> prop
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| 04:42 | prob
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| 04:42 | <alkisg> Then you're need to disable nbd-proxy, disable compcache, and enable nbd-swap to make them usable
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| 04:42 | Which ubuntu version are you using?
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| 04:42 | <garymc> how do i do that
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| 04:42 | should i just buy new thin clients
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| 04:43 | <alkisg> | |
| 04:43 | cat /etc/issue
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| 04:43 | That tells you the ubuntu version
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| 04:56 | <garymc> bugger has alkisg gone :(
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| 04:57 | UBUNTU 10.04.2 LTS
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| 05:30 | <ncd209> hey under nbd, i am tried to install plymouth in lts-chroot ..
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| 05:30 | i selected my theme, ran update-initramfs -u
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| 05:30 | then did ltsp-update-image -a i386
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| 05:30 | did i miss something cause its not turning up on the client
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| 05:54 | <ncd209> hey Gadi.. :)
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| 05:55 | <Gadi> howdy, stranger
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| 05:55 | :)
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| 06:03 | <ncd209> how you doing ;) .. trying to get plymouth installed with the nbd server
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| 06:04 | i am tried to install plymouth in lts-chroot .. did update-initramfs -u and lts-update-kernels lts-update-image -a i386
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| 06:05 | <Gadi> ubuntu?
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| 06:08 | <ncd209> debian
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| 06:08 | it never turns up in the clients nbd image
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| 06:08 | i went on the client and installed plymouth directly to it which worked but is that just temporary i suppose
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| 06:08 | s/that is
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| 06:10 | <Gadi> sometimes when you *add* to the initramfs, you cannot do update-initramfs -u
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| 06:11 | try instead: update-initramfs -c -k <kernel-version>
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| 06:11 | <ncd209> ok
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| 06:11 | <Gadi> and you needn't do ltsp-update-image
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| 06:11 | only ltsp-update-kernels
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| 06:11 | <ncd209> yup its all in initrd which is what i thought just trying to cover all angles
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| 06:13 | update-initramfs -c -k vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd64
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| 06:13 | <Gadi> no - the client kernel
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| 06:13 | so, 2.6.32-5-generic or some such
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| 06:14 | <ncd209> hm
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| 06:14 | i dont have it
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| 06:14 | <Gadi> ls /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/modules
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| 06:14 | what do you get?
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| 06:15 | <ncd209> 2.6.32-5-486
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| 06:15 | <Gadi> so, update-initramfs -c -k 2.6.32-5-486
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| 06:15 | <ncd209> lots of fatal errors
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| 06:15 | i dont 2.6.32-5-486 in /boot
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| 06:18 | <Gadi> ?
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| 06:18 | I dont understand
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| 06:18 | are you chroot'd?
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| 06:18 | <ncd209> yup
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| 06:18 | <Gadi> do you have proc mounted?
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| 06:18 | <ncd209> it generated a 64bit client image in the begening
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| 06:18 | then i had to change over to i386
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| 06:19 | <Gadi> but you are chrooted into /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 06:19 | <ncd209> ahh
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| 06:20 | ltsp-chroot was taking me to the 64bit prefex
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| 06:20 | no wonder i was getting confused :)
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| 06:20 | <Gadi> ah
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| 06:21 | <ncd209> ;)
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| 06:24 | working
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| 06:24 | woot
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| 06:24 | Gadi, you would be dragged to the pub with me
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| 06:24 | but you probably live 2342341 miles away
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| 06:24 | <Gadi> hehe - well, if Im unconscious, just use a funnel
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| 06:24 | :)
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| 07:11 | <ncd209> once tnx Gadi + aleskg mgariepy who ever else i might of missed
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| 07:12 | <ncd209> ttys at home
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| 08:50 | <fossala> I've been testing ltsp for the last few days with edubuntu dvd. I am now trying to deploy it on my server using debian. But I am completly lost on dhcp.conf
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| 08:50 | Is there any hand pages to read?
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| 08:51 | <Gadi> fossala: the default /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf file should work for you
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| 08:51 | otherwise, man dhcpd.conf
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| 08:53 | <fossala> Gadi: I just realised it didn't have an interface declared
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| 08:53 | reboot and try an boot into it again
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| 10:09 | <fossala> I'v managed to get it to see my server but then tftpd wasn't working so I though I have fixed it but when I try and restart it, it tells me in.tftpd is missing
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| 10:18 | <alkisg> http://packages.debian.org/sid/i386/tftpd-hpa/filelist
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| 10:18 | /usr/sbin/in.tftpd
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| 10:20 | <fossala> I have that
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| 10:22 | <alkisg> Where do you see that error message, and what exactly does it say? Copy/paste the output
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| 10:23 | <fossala> root@SpellBound:~/etc/init.dtftpd-hpa start
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| 10:24 | Starting HPA's tftpd: in.tftpd missing, aborting.
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| 10:24 | <vagrantc> apt-get --reinstall install tftpd-hpa
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| 10:26 | <fossala> Ok it restarting now. I will reboot yet again and cross my fingers it will work.
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| 10:26 | thank
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| 10:26 | <vagrantc> doh.
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| 11:12 | <pedronveloso> I'm trying to make wine runnable as a local app, I've added this to lts.conf: LOCAL_APPS_MENU_ITEMS = wine
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| 11:13 | <Gadi> you don't need that to make it runnable
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| 11:13 | <pedronveloso> but wehn doing "wine" on a terminal it doesn't work, probably because that terminal is running on the server
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| 11:13 | <Gadi> open a local xterm with: ltsp-localapps xterm
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| 11:13 | then, try running wine in that xterm
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| 11:13 | if that works, you can create a launcher that does: ltsp-localapps wine ....
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| 11:14 | <pedronveloso> works :)
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| 11:14 | yeah, that part I can manage. didn't know that ltsp-localapps command, thanks you ;)
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| 11:17 | <TheMatrix3000> ok, i need help
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| 11:17 | when I have an ldap user log in to an ltsp system, everything is berserk
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| 11:17 | the panels are all messed up
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| 11:18 | but for a local user, everything is fine
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| 11:19 | <fossala> I've managed to boot into it but like on the live cd I cannot find out how to add window managers to ldm
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| 11:19 | I tried with kde and that showed up but stumpwm and ratpoison don't
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| 11:20 | <Gadi> fossala: if you can read shell scripts, have a look at /usr/sbin/ldminfod
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| 11:21 | that might answer your question
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| 11:21 | oops
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| 11:21 | its python
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| 11:21 | anyhow, look in: /usr/share/xsessions/
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| 11:22 | you need a file in there for your session
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| 11:24 | <fossala> Yeah I saw in /usr/sbin/ldminfod
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| 11:30 | <TheMatrix3000> anyone have any advice?
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| 11:33 | <_UsUrPeR_> TheMatrix3000: i just got here
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| 11:33 | <alkisg> Logon as that user, reset the panels, and then if they're still mixed up, upload a screenshot.
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| 11:33 | <_UsUrPeR_> what?
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| 11:33 | <alkisg> gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel && killall -u $USER gnome-panel
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| 11:34 | <highvoltage> /win 7
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| 11:34 | <TheMatrix3000> ok, ill try that
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| 11:35 | wait, will that command affect all the users logged in at the moment alkisg
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| 11:35 | <alkisg> TheMatrix3000: no, you don't use sudo there, it only affects the current user
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| 11:35 | <TheMatrix3000> ah ok
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| 11:38 | hey that works
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| 11:38 | do i have to do that for everyone
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| 11:39 | that uses ltsp?
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| 11:39 | i ment ldap and ltsp
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| 11:42 | <alkisg> Panels get mixed up sometimes due to problems
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| 11:42 | That command just resets them
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| 11:42 | <TheMatrix3000> ah ok
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| 11:42 | <alkisg> That part doesn't have to do anything with ldap
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| 11:42 | <TheMatrix3000> cause that even fixed my fastuserswitch issue
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| 11:42 | <alkisg> Now, if ldap caused some applet to crash, I don't know
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| 11:42 | I've never used ldap
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| 11:42 | <TheMatrix3000> oh really
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| 11:42 | I thought it was basically needed in an LTSP cluser
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| 11:42 | cluster*
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| 11:42 | <alkisg> I've never used ltsp cluster either :)
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| 11:45 | <TheMatrix3000> oh, haha
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| 11:45 | is there a chat just for ltsp cluster?
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| 11:45 | so i can pull that up and just see what people run into etc
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| 11:45 | i mean i've learned a lot just reading what people put up in here
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| 11:45 | <alkisg> I don't think there is
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| 11:46 | This channel is used for ltsp-cluster too afaik
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| 11:46 | <Gadi> TheMatrix3000: how did you make the ldap user's home dir?
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| 11:46 | pam_mkhomedir?
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| 11:46 | <TheMatrix3000> yep
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| 11:46 | pam_mkhomedir
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| 11:46 | add that and it'l create the home directory for you
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| 11:47 | <Gadi> and if you blow away the homedir and log in, is it messed up?
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| 11:47 | <TheMatrix3000> no
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| 11:47 | cause the ldap user is still there
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| 11:48 | if you do a deluser --remove-home (ldapuser)
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| 11:48 | it will remove the user locally and home directory but it didn't remove them from ldap
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| 11:48 | for me anyways
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| 11:48 | <Gadi> no no
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| 11:48 | thats not what I mean
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| 11:48 | pam_mkhomedir creates a home dir upon login for the user
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| 11:48 | <TheMatrix3000> yes
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| 11:48 | <Gadi> if none exists
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| 11:48 | <TheMatrix3000> yep
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| 11:48 | if a home directory for that user already exists
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| 11:48 | <Gadi> so if you: rm -rf /home/$USER
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| 11:49 | <TheMatrix3000> then it's fine
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| 11:49 | <Gadi> and log in as $USER
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| 11:49 | is it ok?
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| 11:49 | <TheMatrix3000> then it will recreat the directory
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| 11:49 | <Gadi> (ie a fresh homedir)
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| 11:49 | <TheMatrix3000> yes
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| 11:49 | <Gadi> panels are fine?
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| 11:49 | <TheMatrix3000> i don't know
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| 11:49 | that might of been why i had to redo mine
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| 11:49 | let me test it real quick
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| 11:50 | <Gadi> if the panels are messed up, you know it has something to do with how the homedir is created
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| 11:50 | if not, then it is something you did sometime after your homedir was created
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| 11:51 | <TheMatrix3000> give me a sec loging in as test uer
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| 11:51 | ok, doing an rm -rf /home/$user on test user
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| 11:53 | ok, its logging in now
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| 11:53 | after an rm -rf /home/$user
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| 11:53 | panels are fine
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| 11:56 | <Gadi> so, it must have been something you did afterwards
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| 11:56 | perhaps messing with User Profiles or some such?
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| 11:57 | something that would change the user's gconf keys?
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| 11:57 | <alkisg> Adding an applet and changing resolutions sometimes also messes up the panels
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| 11:58 | <TheMatrix3000> yea, it could have been
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| 11:58 | o well
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| 11:58 | it could have been resolution change
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| 12:16 | <TheMatrix3000> maybe its because i did a rm -r /home/$USER
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| 12:16 | instead of a rm -rf /home/$USER
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| 14:07 | <Teranos> hi
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| 14:11 | <Teranos> whats the diffrence between ltsp4 an 5 ?
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| 14:19 | <Gadi> http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_MueKow
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| 14:20 | that page belongs in a museum
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| 14:20 | :)
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| 14:48 | <Teranos> "LTSP currentlu (Up through LTSP-4.2)", What the hell ?
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| 14:51 | <TheMatrix3000> is it possible to install a firefox extension for all users
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| 14:51 | on ltsp
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| 14:56 | <abeehc> yes
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| 14:56 | <TheMatrix3000> how
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| 14:56 | <abeehc> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Installing_extensions
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| 14:57 | really has nothing to do with ltsp though
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| 14:57 | i normally install the extension in my own firefox, then copy the resulting guid named folder to the system level extension dir, /usr/lib/firefox/extensions i think
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| 15:00 | <TheMatrix3000> really
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| 15:00 | and that will push it to everyone?
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| 15:00 | but we have all users running firefox locally
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| 15:00 | ltsp-localapps firefox
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| 15:01 | <abeehc> in that case, you need to also put that folder in the chroot /var/lib/firefox/extensions
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| 15:04 | <TheMatrix3000> hmm
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| 15:04 | interesting
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| 15:04 | and that installs it foreveryone
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| 15:04 | what about settings can people still customize which settings they have individually
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| 15:05 | for that extension
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| 15:06 | <abeehc> that kinda stuff goes in the user's profile under their home dir
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| 15:12 | <TheMatrix3000> ok
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| 15:12 | sweet
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| 15:51 | <warren> ogra_, did you folks figure out a way for nautilus to allow unmounting from the context menu?
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| 15:51 | ogra_, GNOME2 doesn't appear to know about fuse mounts
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| 15:51 | so it complains the mount is not in fstab
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| 15:52 | ogra_, (fuse mounts)
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| 15:52 | ogra_, ltspfs
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| 16:20 | <vagrantc> warren: don't believe so
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| 19:22 | <Ghidorah> Hello. Does anyone know how to get CUPS printer(s) to be listed under the LTSP-Cluster-ControlCenter?
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| 20:10 | <warren> I'm tagging ltsp-trunk and other modules.
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