IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 30 May 2018 (all times are UTC)
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| 07:29 | <navaneeth> hi
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| 07:30 | I have vmware esxi and i installed ubuntu 16.04.
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| 07:30 | now what is my requirement is " i want to connect multiple windows desktop to ubuntu server to access internet.
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| 07:30 | can any one help me?
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| 07:34 | <alkisg> navaneeth: do you want "remote linux desktop" or just "internet sharing"?
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| 13:03 | <aheyde^180241372> Hi All, I have a fesh 40 machine lab , and am now working through some sticking points.
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| 13:04 | 1) Clients fail to poweroff (seems to be related to nbd root - perhaps being killed by the shutdown process? Have read some reports / bugs etc, but it seems they were fixed long ago. nbd-client even has a special option set such that the shutdown process is mean to leave it alone based on what I have read).
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| 13:04 | Any ideas on this?
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| 13:17 | <alkisg> aheyde^180241372: distro/version?
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| 14:40 | <aheyde^180241372> Hi Alkis, 18.04 Ubuntu Mate
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| 14:52 | <alkisg> aheyde: yes, in 18.04 it's a known issue, I'll upload a fix for September when the schools open
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| 14:58 | <aheyde> Thanks alkisg. good to know it is already known
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| 14:58 | <alkisg> aheyde: also resolv.conf is broken in 18.04
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| 14:58 | (DNS)
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| 14:59 | <aheyde> yes, found this.
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| 14:59 | I'm using the "traditional" chroot to keep my server setup separate, so I just edited /etc/systemd/resolved.conf in the chroot and manually set the dns server to the ltsp server (running dnsmasq) there.
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| 15:00 | Seems to work ok so far.
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| 15:00 | interestingly I also found that sometimes dnsmasq would fail to start as systemd-resolved was listening on port 53
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| 15:01 | so I've disabled systemd-resolved on server and manually created/edited /etc/resolv.conf on server
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| 15:01 | <alkisg> Yeah I automated all that, with ltsp-config dnsmasq --enable-dns etc
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| 15:02 | I'll push them in September as well
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| 15:02 | You can choose between systemd-resolved or dnsmasq as DNS server with one command
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| 15:02 | <aheyde> that sounds very handy
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| 15:04 | As I'm using a NAT setup (rather than proxy DHCP / same lan for clients and outside world), I think i will be useful to have a toggle to enable /disable NAT so teachers can easily prevent internet access at times.
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| 15:05 | <alkisg> The idea was to implement that in epoptes, not in ltsp
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| 15:05 | !epoptes
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| 15:05 | <ltsp> epoptes: Epoptes is a computer lab administration and monitoring tool. It works on Ubuntu and Debian based labs with LTSP or non-LTSP servers, thin and fat clients, standalone workstations, NX clients etc. More info: http://www.epoptes.org
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| 15:06 | <aheyde> I was wondering whether there would be any interest if I was to contribute this to epoptes
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| 15:06 | haha you beat me to it
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| 15:06 | <alkisg> Sure, I can work on anything ltsp or epoptes related if I get funding for it
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| 15:07 | <aheyde> I realise it would only be useful in a certain subset of deployment scenarios, but it does seem to fit with the "central control" theme of epoptes
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| 15:08 | <alkisg> Oh, we had a hidden menu for that for ages; but noone got around to implementing it
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| 15:08 | The trick there is to allow LAN access but not Internet access
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| 15:09 | So basically to invalidate the gateway, although that requires root access to the client, which isn't always the case
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| 15:11 | <aheyde> good point, client side gateway changes could also do it. Currently just adding and removing the masquerade rule.
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| 15:12 | <alkisg> Sure, but that doesn't work for people that don't use NAT
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| 15:12 | <aheyde> Sounds like you are quite keen to get funding for further development work alkisg? If I read some mailing list threads correctly you have previously been working heavily on the project for the greek schools, but things have changed yes?
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| 15:12 | <alkisg> ...which is the most common setup, as it doesn't require networking changes
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| 15:12 | aheyde: that's correct
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| 15:13 | <aheyde> Have the greek schools changed there approach entirely or?
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| 15:14 | <alkisg> Oh the schools want ltsp; some goverment officials got misinformed and stopped the funding
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| 15:14 | We'll hopefully get it going again
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| 15:15 | <aheyde> cool :)
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| 15:18 | I'm just beginning my efforts to promote linux/ltsp in Sumatra .
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| 15:20 | I'm from Australia, where hardware is comparatively affordable, but in Indonesia all the benefits of LTSP become quite compelling I think.
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| 15:21 | <alkisg> Ah, personally I don't care much about running ltsp in old hardware
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| 15:21 | I think it's main benefit is "maintain only one installation"
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| 15:21 | And that's where I'm focusing... e.g. maybe under wayland we won't even support thin clients at all, only netbooted fat clients
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| 15:24 | <aheyde> sorry i meant to say hardware and software*
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| 15:24 | fair enough. I'm also referring to the opportunities of cost advantages of open source in areas where budgets are much lower
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| 15:27 | <alkisg> Sure, cost and flexibility to adjust solutions to one's needs
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| 15:28 | <aheyde> as you say though the management convenience is a large selling point.
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| 15:35 | <vagrantc> if nothing else, whatever other benefits you gain are side-effects
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| 15:43 | * alkisg ponders "masi", maintain a single installation, as the new project name... :P | |
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| 16:08 | <alex_____> hello
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| 16:08 | i¡m having some issues mounting my ltsp server
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| 16:08 | could someone help me?
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| 16:08 | <vagrantc> describe your issues, wait patiently
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| 16:09 | !ask | echo alex_____
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| 16:09 | <ltsp> alex_____ ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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| 16:15 | <alkisg> Eh, you scared him :D
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| 16:16 | <vagrantc> patience is terrifying
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| 16:35 | <highvoltage> vagrantc: hey! ltsp packaging isn't on salsa yet, is it?
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| 16:37 | <vagrantc> highvoltage: no, it's on launchpad
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| 16:38 | there may be some random bits not on launchpad...
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| 16:43 | <highvoltage> vagrantc: ok cool, seems like ldm-themes are on alioth, shall I move that to salsa?
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| 16:43 | <vagrantc> hrm.
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| 16:43 | <highvoltage> even on launchpad is fine too if you want
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| 16:43 | (but gitlab is nice)
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| 16:44 | <vagrantc> ldm-themes doesn't get much activity
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| 16:44 | so doesn't matter too much either way
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| 16:44 | * vagrantc even toyed with using dgit | |
| 16:50 | <vagrantc> highvoltage: not sure we need an ltsp team in debian anymore
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| 16:52 | highvoltage: so could just add ldm-themes to the Debian group on salsa ... or ... somewhere on launchpad :)
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| 16:55 | <highvoltage> vagrantc: already made in salsa just now
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| 17:02 | <vagrantc> highvoltage: ok
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| 17:02 | highvoltage: i requested access to the team
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| 17:05 | * vagrantc is a little disappointed to not get any response on https://bugs.debian.org/895057 | |
| 17:07 | <alkisg> vagrantc: if all goes well, I'm planning to implement a new project to replace ltsp in a couple of years, I can be a (co) maintainer there...
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| 17:07 | As most of the ltsp codebase will need to be replaced anyway...
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| 17:07 | (with wayland and all)
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| 17:08 | <vagrantc> whatever the name, codebase, etc. ... it'll need some sustainable maintenance strategy
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| 17:08 | <alkisg> Well, as long as there's funding, there's development/maintenance etc... can't guarantee that in the open source world
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