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Channel log from 25 September 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:09 | <ftherese> Is there a resource available to help troubleshoot localapps not printing to local usb printers_
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| 01:09 | ?
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| 01:21 | <cyberorg> ftherese, ltsp-localapps xterm
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| 01:24 | <ftherese> cyberorg... the computer is in another room... I'll go there... what should I test?
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| 01:24 | <ftherese> cyberorg: is it possible to ssh into the thin client?
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| 01:25 | <cyberorg> yes, but you need sshd installed and enabled in client image
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| 01:26 | <ftherese> rats... its not there
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| 01:26 | could you let me know what to test in the localapps xterm?
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| 01:26 | <cyberorg> i don't know much about troubleshooting printing, but i'd start with cups logs
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| 01:27 | <ftherese> ok...
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| 01:27 | brb
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| 01:33 | <ftherese_> ok... I tested the jetpipe proggie... which is what ltsp uses
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| 01:33 | I am getting this error on the localapps xterm
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| 01:34 | File "/usr/sbin/jetpipe", line 120, in <module>
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| 01:34 | devicename = args[0]
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| 01:34 | IndexError: list index out of range
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| 01:34 | I didn't used to get this error... I know that for a fact
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| 01:36 | <ftherese_> but it is probably because now jetpipe requires an argument?
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| 01:37 | <cyberorg> see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream for what it needs in lts.conf
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| 01:38 | <ftherese_> I know I already have lts.conf stuff set right /dev/usblpr0
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| 01:38 | It used to work
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| 01:38 | and it even works on some of my servers
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| 01:38 | I have four
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| 01:38 | <cyberorg> does /dev/usblpr0 exist on the client?
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| 01:38 | <ftherese_> and they are/should be essentially the same
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| 01:40 | usblp0 yes
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| 01:40 | it is on the client
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| 01:40 | and lsusb on the client :
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| 01:40 | Bus 001 Device 002: ID 04b8:0007 Seiko Epson Corp. Printer
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| 01:40 | maybe I should try restarting cups on the client?
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| 01:41 | I already did on the server a few times
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| 01:42 | I don't think there is a cupsd on the client
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| 01:44 | <ftherese_> the cupsctl on localapps xterm looks fine:
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| 01:45 | but it immediately refers to the server hosting the machine
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| 01:45 | not to the local machine itself
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| 01:46 | that is part of the problem I think... because printing from programs hosted on the server works just fine... it is printing directly from localapps that does not work
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| 01:48 | <johnny> i think you have to install cups yourself ftherese
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| 01:51 | <ftherese_> cups-bsd is already installed
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| 01:51 | in the chroot
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| 01:51 | it doesn't create any log files... I guess I don't have that enabled... I mean it does have an empty lpr.log file
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| 01:52 | but empty log files are not very practical
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| 03:24 | <ftherese> I figured out the solution to the problem
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| 03:25 | I have four servers
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| 03:25 | I wanted to set up one server as the print server
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| 03:26 | one main print server, with cupsd installed on all servers
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| 03:27 | so I had it set up to where the local usb printers were added on just one of the servers (the printer server) and the other servers just received the local usb printer as shared from the main printer server
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| 03:28 | that worked just fine for printing until it came to printing directly from localapps
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| 03:30 | in order for usb local printer printing to work from local apps, the usb printer has to be installed on each of the cups servers individually - not just as a share
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| 03:30 | this may be a bug, as it only affects printing from localapps
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| 05:40 | <devilbues> hello, how do I access to an usb photo camera without using gnome on ltsp? I'm using rdesktop
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| 06:00 | <Appiah> does usb sticks work for you devilbues ?
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| 06:11 | <devilbues> Appiah: yes. the usb camera doesn't work on command line, but it works on gnome via vfs
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| 06:11 | sorry, gvfs
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| 06:12 | <ogra> why sorry ? gvfs = gnome vfs ;)
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| 06:12 | can you switch the camera to mass storage mode ?
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| 06:13 | gvfs is only used if the camera is in PPTP mode ... which cant be handled as usb device ...
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| 06:13 | if you cant switch the cam there is likely no way around gvfs
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| 06:13 | or better gvfs' libgphoto backend
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| 06:15 | <devilbues> Ogra: how do I do that
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| 06:15 | :)
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| 06:17 | <ogra> in the menu of the camera usually
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| 06:32 | <devilbues> thanks Ogra
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| 06:33 | I'll use the sd card on card reader
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| 07:02 | <ogra> GRRR !
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| 07:02 | * ogra is angry about the recent ML thread | |
| 07:10 | <alkisg> That's why users shouldn't be allowed to talk directly to the devs :D M$ has something to teach us here! :P (ok ok /me realizes that this is very frustrating and stops joking about it)
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| 07:19 | <alkisg> Has anyone managed to get the "dynamic dns updates" feature of dhclient working?
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| 07:20 | <ogra> dynamic dns updates feature of dhclient ??
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| 07:20 | i dont think there is such a thing ...
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| 07:21 | afaik dhclient uses resolvconf for that (if you made the mistake to install resolvconf)
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| 07:23 | <alkisg> man dhclient.conf => search for dynamic
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| 07:23 | It says that if I have control over the dns server (which I do) I should be able to update the dns info
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| 07:24 | I.e. if I have a *standalone* client named PC1, and it gets an IP of 10.160.31.123, then it should notify the bind9 in my server that the ip for PC1 is 10.160.31.123...
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| 07:25 | What I *don't* have is control over the dhcp server (= a cheap router which correctly informs the clients about my dns server, but can't do dns updates itself)
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| 09:07 | <jammcq> cliebow: howdie
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| 09:08 | <cliebow> Hey!!
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| 09:08 | i spoke to my boatboss about using the boat..Seems doable
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| 09:08 | <jammcq> awesome
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| 09:09 | not sure exactly when we'll arrive. We could be there thursday morning, and possibly wednesday afternoon
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| 09:10 | <cliebow> I guess either/any day that weekend is fine..I will be on call to run the boat thursday-Saturday..might have to combine with a regular trip leaving at one pm
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| 09:10 | have to play the weather..
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| 09:31 | <jammcq> hey ogra i'm getting thirsty :)
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| 09:33 | <ogra> hehe
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| 09:59 | <ph27> is it usual for my server to be running nbd-server like this:
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| 09:59 | nbd-server 0 /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img -r -C /dev/null
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| 09:59 | i find it strange that its using port 0
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| 10:03 | <dro> ph27: thats an interesting question because doesn't icmp use port 0?
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| 10:08 | <ph27> seems there's something else running on port 2000, but when I update my image, port 2000 is already defined with /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img in inetd.conf
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| 10:20 | <dro> ph27: the big question is is there a reason you want it to run on a different port?
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| 10:26 | <ph27> i don't, but i've been having trouble getting past initrd.img.....ready. while troubleshooting i happened to notice that process running.
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| 10:33 | <Gadi> first of all, icmp is icmp - it does not use a tcp/udp port
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| 10:34 | second, "0" as the port number to nbd-server is the proper setting for inetd
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| 10:34 | because inetd.conf sets the port
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| 10:34 | as long as inetd is running and is configured to listen on 2000, you *should* see something listening on port 2000
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| 10:35 | <Gadi> if you turn inetd off (/etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd stop) and all nbd-server processes are killed and something is *still* listening to port 2000, then there's a problem
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| 10:36 | <Gadi> if you have any cisco equipment and use cisco softphones, you may have a problem with port 2000, as they use it for something else
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| 10:36 | <jammcq> oooh, pmantis found a couple days ago that Asterisk was listening on port 2000
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| 10:36 | <Gadi> honestly, 2000 was a rather poor choice on our part for the nbd port to use
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| 10:37 | yeah, port 2000 is one of them unofficially registered ports that is used by something else that is becoming more widespread
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| 10:38 | <johnny> uhm.. also managesieve.. uses port 2000
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| 10:38 | altho it will be a rare situation that managesieve and nbd are running on the same machine :)
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| 10:39 | Gadi, the number is just too round :)
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| 10:39 | lol
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| 10:39 | <Gadi> right, but with ports you need to worry about the switches and stuff in between, too
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| 10:39 | <johnny> you can't pick the round number because you know somebody else already picked it
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| 10:39 | <Gadi> I have had customers boot thin clients across subnets with firewalls in between
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| 10:39 | <ph27> so if it's properly configured, what might be the problem if my client never makes it past Loading initrd.img.....ready.
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| 10:39 | <johnny> like our mom
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| 10:39 | your*
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| 10:39 | Gadi :)
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| 10:40 | or like your mom's thin clients
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| 10:40 | <Gadi> and cisco firewalls can mangle port 2000 packets even with the port open and unblocked
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| 10:40 | lol
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| 10:40 | ph27: use wireshark to see if you get port 2000 requests
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| 10:41 | <johnny> Gadi, perhaps we should change the default port ltspwide then
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| 10:41 | <Gadi> johnny: we definitely should
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| 10:41 | <johnny> i'm for it
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| 10:41 | and we can alwasy leave the original untouched if it exists..
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| 10:42 | <Gadi> yeah, the upgrade path gets wonky
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| 10:42 | ;)
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| 10:42 | but, it would be a good move sooner than later
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| 10:42 | <johnny> Gadi, we could say that about a lot of things :)
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| 10:42 | <Gadi> we should see if 5877 is used
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| 10:42 | that's LTSP on the phone
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| 10:43 | :)
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| 10:43 | <johnny> Gadi, how closely do you keep up with xorg and related developments? kms,dri, xephyr, etc
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| 10:43 | <johnny> and other related importanted client developments like hal..
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| 10:43 | <Gadi> only look at the centerfolds when Im in the bathroom
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| 10:43 | ;)
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| 10:44 | they have the best articles
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| 10:44 | <johnny> at least hal is leaving us before we need it in the chroot
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| 10:44 | <ogra> huh ?
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| 10:44 | <johnny> ogra, ?
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| 10:44 | or does ubuntu already use it?
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| 10:44 | <ogra> afaik xorg is currently the only place that still uses hal
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| 10:45 | and hasnt been ported to DK yet
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| 10:45 | <johnny> that's what i said ogra..
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| 10:45 | it is leaving us befeore we need it
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| 10:45 | unless we already need it :)
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| 10:45 | then we will be removing it
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| 10:45 | i never added it to gentoo, since we have the old code for people who hate hal
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| 10:45 | <ogra> we do need it since a while in ubuntu, no idea about gentoo
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| 10:45 | <johnny> ah.. ok
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| 10:45 | well at least we can drop it soon then :)
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| 10:45 | <ogra> ubuntu uses it since jaunty
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| 10:46 | <johnny> and ubuntu will drop it for 10.04 :)
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| 10:46 | <ogra> and will use it still in karmic
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| 10:46 | right
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| 10:46 | <johnny> ogra, didn't cups also need it in jaunty if you wanted local apps with printing?
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| 10:46 | <Gadi> ogra: is that why jaunty is so slow and unusable? where are the testers? :P
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| 10:46 | <ogra> haha
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| 10:46 | * Gadi tries to make ogra turn green and smash things | |
| 10:47 | <johnny> Gadi, so the question is.. how up todate are you with those deelopments?
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| 10:47 | * ogra really had some high bloopressure moments today :) | |
| 10:47 | <ogra> *blood
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| 10:47 | <Gadi> johnny: well, not the server pieces, just the client pieces
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| 10:47 | wrt cups
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| 10:47 | <johnny> well cups will be relying on udev in the near future
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| 10:48 | actually it already does for me?
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| 10:48 | <Gadi> in terms of other developments, I like to be surprised
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| 10:48 | <johnny> err minus the ?
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| 10:48 | so.. that is awesome..
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| 10:48 | <ph27> in response to the wireshark attempt: i see the tftp process happens, with an acknowledgement of each packet. no communication happens after the last acknowledgement. what should the next step be?
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| 10:48 | <Gadi> besides, nobody makes up their mind until the last minute before release
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| 10:49 | <johnny> Gadi, that isn't true.. there was a lauchpad blueprint called halendectomy or haldectomy..
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| 10:49 | <Gadi> ph27: does it happen on mutiple clients the same way?
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| 10:49 | <johnny> :)
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| 10:49 | <ph27> yes
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| 10:49 | <Gadi> johnny: every couple of years, I get around to porting to the latest and greatest ;)
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| 10:50 | and even then, you need to allow 6 months for the bugs to shake out
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| 10:50 | * Gadi prefers the problems he knows to the ones he knows not to solve | |
| 10:50 | <johnny> i don't get concerned with that.. as somebody has usually solved all the problems shortly after the release
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| 10:51 | <Gadi> lol
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| 10:51 | <Gadi> now thats funny
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| 10:51 | <johnny> maybe i get lucky in my problems :)
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| 10:51 | of course i would have been upset if i had an intel card with jaunty..
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| 10:52 | <Gadi> ph27: ok, so at that point, the initrd has been loaded into RAM, and should start to execute it
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| 10:52 | but it is not
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| 10:52 | if you leave a terminal on for a while, does it eventually get past it?
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| 10:53 | <ph27> Gadi: I've left it on for quite some time - an hour or two?
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| 10:53 | <Gadi> ph27: try editing /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default and remove "quiet" and "splash"
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| 10:53 | and reboot the terminal
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| 10:53 | see if it tells you more
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| 10:57 | <ph27> miraculous. it booted all the way up that time!
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| 10:57 | <Gadi> sounds like you, my firend, have an issue with usplash
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| 10:58 | you can put the "quiet" back
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| 10:58 | but, keep the "splash" off
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| 10:58 | no splash for you!
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| 10:58 | I blame ogra
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| 10:58 | <ph27> ha! thank you so much!
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| 10:58 | <Gadi> its all his fault
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| 10:58 | :)
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| 10:58 | * ogra is in a meeting on #ubuntu-meeting and just ignores Gadi :P | |
| 10:59 | <ph27> why orga, why???
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| 11:00 | <ogra> beyond that i'm not to blame for broken framebuffers :P
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| 11:02 | <sbalneav> I'll accept the blame
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| 11:02 | 'Tis a far, far better thing I do now, than I have ever done before
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| 11:02 | * sbalneav falls on sword | |
| 11:02 | <sbalneav> thud
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| 11:02 | <Ahmuck> rubber swords don't count
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| 11:03 | <jammcq> he missed. it's only a flesh wound
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| 11:03 | <ogra> phew
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| 11:03 | <Ahmuck> alkisg:
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| 11:03 | <alkisg> Can anyone help me on using nsupdate? :(
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| 11:03 | <Ahmuck> i need help with gpxe
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| 11:04 | <alkisg> Ahmuck: if you don't mind waiting, I'm gonna write a wiki page for this in the weekend
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| 11:04 | <Ahmuck> i can wait
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| 11:04 | though finding a wiki page for it in ubuntu land is near impossible sometimes
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| 11:06 | <alkisg> OK, we could also do this the other way around; I could tell you how to do it now, and you could write the page later - since your english are better than mine :)
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| 11:08 | <Gadi> alkisg: has gpxe ever run up against patent issues?
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| 11:09 | I've had my nose deep in patents the past few days, and HP has a patent on setting a boot rom to grab an image over http/ftp
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| 11:09 | <alkisg> Woah!
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| 11:09 | <Gadi> not that you might care in Greece ;)
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| 11:09 | <alkisg> I don't really know, I haven't heard of anything like that. I do know that there are some licensing / redistribution problems with some firmware files...
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| 11:09 | <johnny> when does that one expire ?
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| 11:10 | <Gadi> http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=5&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PTXT&s1="thin+client"&s2=pxe&OS="thin+client"+AND+pxe&RS="thin+client"+AND+pxe
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| 11:10 | thats some url
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| 11:10 | sorry
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| 11:11 | filed in 2002, awarded in 2007
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| 11:11 | number 7,251,725
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| 11:11 | <Ahmuck> prior art ?
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| 11:11 | <johnny> hmm..2002..
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| 11:11 | yes.. i hope we can find prior art for that
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| 11:11 | <Ahmuck> it would be active from 2007 foward
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| 11:12 | patents last 15 years plus they are re-newable
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| 11:12 | iirc
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| 11:12 | <johnny> Ahmuck, then why is gif legal then?
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| 11:12 | it expired
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| 11:12 | * Gadi thinks it is 10 years | |
| 11:12 | <Ahmuck> are patents shorter for software
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| 11:12 | <johnny> no
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| 11:12 | <Gadi> patent law keeps changing
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| 11:12 | <Ahmuck> apple's hardware just came up for patent release
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| 11:12 | iirc, it was 20+ years
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| 11:14 | it's an easy workaround on this one however, just need to boot and get the rom some other way than http or ftp
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| 11:14 | <alkisg> Ahmuck: go to http://rom-o-matic.net/gpxe/gpxe-git/gpxe.git/contrib/rom-o-matic/
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| 11:14 | press "configure"
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| 11:14 | ...and put the following script there:
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| 11:14 | #!gpxe
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| 11:14 | dhcp net0
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| 11:15 | set filename /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
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| 11:15 | set next-server <<<your ltsp server external nic ip>>>
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| 11:16 | Dah sorry wrong filename, let me put that to pastebot...
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| 11:26 | <Ahmuck> in the emeded script section iirc?
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| 11:26 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 11:27 | Moment, /me is on the phone..
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| 11:35 | * alkisg has to go for a while, bbl :( | |
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| 11:51 | <nainaide> I followed Gentoo wiki on LTSP, but got an error : can not find root device. and I have "append endor-initrd=initramfs-2.6.27-r7 root=/dev/sda1 init=/linuxrc" in /opt/ltsp/tftproot/pxelinux.cfg/default, anyidea? thanks
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| 11:52 | <johnny> skip that endor- nonsense
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| 11:52 | and root=/dev/sda1 isn't going to work
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| 11:52 | knipwim_, are you here?
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| 11:54 | <nainaide> johnny, you are right
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| 11:55 | <johnny> try append initrd=yourinitramfsfile root=/dev/nfs ip=dhcp nfsroot=ip:/opt/ltsp/x86
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| 11:55 | nainaide, but you also need to make sure your kernel in the chroot has the proper network drivers
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| 11:55 | <nainaide> need I export somthing in /etc/exports ?
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| 11:55 | <johnny> yes.. but the installer should have done that..
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| 11:56 | ltsp-build-client that is
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| 11:56 | and you need to start the server..
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| 11:56 | i'd rewrite the wiki if ionly i had a machine to test the steps..
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| 11:56 | <nainaide> yes, I find this line in /opt/virtuals/cluster *(ro,no_root_squash,async)
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| 11:56 | <johnny> wtf /opt/virtuals/clusters ?
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| 11:56 | that's not it
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| 11:57 | did you use ltsp-build-client ?
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| 11:57 | <nainaide> yes
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| 11:57 | # Automatically added by ltsp-server
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| 11:57 | <johnny> before that line? or after?
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| 11:57 | <nainaide> before
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| 11:57 | <johnny> wtf.. how did it get that path
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| 11:58 | <nainaide> dont know, but it seems right
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| 11:58 | <johnny> how does it seem right?
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| 11:58 | right is /opt/ltsp/x86
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| 11:59 | <nainaide> all the file are in /opt/virtuals/cluster/x86
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| 11:59 | for example , bin, dev , etc, boot .....
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| 12:00 | <johnny> i see..
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| 12:00 | but why
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| 12:00 | that makes no sense
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| 12:00 | i don't know what he was smokin to want to change it from what is normal across other ltsp installs
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| 12:00 | <nainaide> and I dont know if x86 should show in export , let me just user the default .
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| 12:01 | <johnny> ok.. so for now.. change what i siad before to nfsroot=yourserverip:/opt/virtuals/cluster/x86
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| 12:01 | no.. it's fine..
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| 12:01 | i think
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| 12:01 | the default will be changed to /opts/ltsp/x86
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| 12:01 | so.. keep a note of that
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| 12:01 | <nainaide> need I still add the "init=linuxrc" ?
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| 12:01 | <johnny> no
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| 12:02 | <nainaide> ok
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| 12:02 | <johnny> nainaide, you also need to rebuild your initramfs in the client
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| 12:02 | to include the network rivers
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| 12:03 | those instructions are all wack nainaide
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| 12:03 | don't trust em
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| 12:03 | <nainaide> you are right, but I think I can try now, just add initrd=initramfs-genkernel-x86-2.6.30-gentoo-r6 root=/dev/nfs ip=dhcp nfsroot=ip:/opt/virtuals/cluster/x86
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| 12:03 | <johnny> way too specific to this one guy's install
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| 12:03 | don't add that local apps false and fstab false
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| 12:03 | it's completely unnecessary
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| 12:03 | i'm going to edit that page today
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| 12:04 | nainaide, if you wanted to be a big help.. you'd start over after i redit it
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| 12:04 | to make sure it still works
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| 12:04 | since noody else seems to want to
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| 12:04 | <nainaide> sure
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| 12:05 | johnny, did you mean I should ignore "/opt/ltsp/tftproot/ltsp/x86/lts.conf" part in the wiki?
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| 12:05 | <johnny> uhmm.. yes.
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| 12:05 | altho there are useful things you might need
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| 12:05 | to put there
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| 12:05 | those statements are not
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| 12:06 | <nainaide> btw are you sure the filename is lts.conf not ltsp.conf ?
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| 12:07 | <johnny> yes.. 100% sure
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| 12:07 | that's the way it works for all distros
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| 12:07 | <nainaide> ok
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| 12:07 | I will use this notebook , will comeback asap. thank you johnny .
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| 12:08 | <johnny> and those instructions don't even mention how to rebuild the initramfs
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| 12:15 | <nainaide> johnny, I made a little progress.
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| 12:17 | but still have some errors : it said NFS Mounting failed, Booting(initramfs) >> Error: your real /dev missing files require to boot the (console and null)
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| 12:17 | <nainaide> swith root : bad newroot /newroot
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| 12:17 | <johnny> hmm.. do you have /dev/nfs ?
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| 12:18 | /me assumes you dropped to a prompt
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| 12:18 | <nainaide> ltsp-build-client seems use genkernel to generate kernel, so almost all the network card were compile as modules, I am sure I found my e1000 driver loaded
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| 12:19 | I dont have /dev/nfs
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| 12:20 | <nainaide> btw, "Attemping to mount NFS root on ip:/opt/virtuals/cluster/x86" come first, then above errors come up.
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| 12:21 | <nainaide> how can I make the /dev/nfs? I have already start the nfs diamond.
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| 12:23 | btw, ltsp-build-client takes a long time on my Xeon 3200 with 8G ram.
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| 12:23 | <ogra> on binary distros you just use a package proxy :)
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| 12:24 | <nainaide> yes! I have been singing 'I have a dream, I can do ltsp on gentoo .... " it is a dream!
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| 12:25 | <ogra> though i guess on gentoo its the building itself that takes the time
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| 12:25 | <nainaide> ogra, but in debian that is reality
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| 12:26 | <ltsppbot> "alkisg" pasted "gpxe script to boot LTSP over http" (7 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/560
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| 12:26 | <alkisg> If Ahmuck comes back, here's his script: ^^^^
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| 12:27 | <johnny> nainaide, perhaps your local kernel doesn't have nfs support by default anymore
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| 12:27 | chroot and and check it
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| 12:28 | <nainaide> johnny, how to chroot and and check it ?
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| 12:28 | <johnny> are you sure you should be using gentoo ltsp/
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| 12:28 | it's kinda for experts..
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| 12:29 | you gotta know this stuff.. otherwise you're gonna bash your head into the wall
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| 12:29 | <nainaide> In fact I almost do every thing on gentoo.
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| 12:29 | what do you mean local kernel, server or client ?
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| 12:30 | <johnny> cleint kernel
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| 12:30 | <nainaide> johnny, I see, let me have a look
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| 12:31 | <johnny> or perhaps it is just that nfs isn't modprobed in the initramfs
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| 12:31 | /me just updated some of the wiki
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| 12:37 | <nainaide> johnny, after I chroot to /opt/virtuals/cluster/x86, I found that I can not mount nfs , there is even not portmap in /etc/init.d/
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| 12:38 | that means, ltsp-build-client did not install those packages.
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| 12:39 | <johnny> huh?
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| 12:39 | it will..
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| 12:40 | are you sure it completed successfully?
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| 12:40 | we don't actually start nfs in there tho
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| 12:40 | i don't think
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| 12:40 | <nainaide> yes, I am sure I run ltsp-build-client sucessfully
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| 12:40 | <johnny> it happens in the initramfs
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| 12:40 | so don't worry about that
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| 12:40 | by that point you're already mounted
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| 12:41 | are you sure you're using the right initramfs in your tftpdir ?
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| 12:41 | it is the one from the client kernel right?
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| 12:41 | <nainaide> for example mount -t nfs 192.168.1.153:/home/temp /mnt/floppy/
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| 12:41 | <johnny> huh?
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| 12:41 | <nainaide> I got mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on 192.168.1.153:/home/temp
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| 12:41 | <johnny> doesn't matter
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| 12:41 | <nainaide> in chroot env
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| 12:41 | <johnny> you can't mount from inside chroot
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| 12:41 | who cares
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| 12:42 | doesn't matter
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| 12:42 | what matters is in the initramfs
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| 12:42 | <nainaide> I see.
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| 12:42 | <johnny> you need to be able to mount nfs from there
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| 12:42 | if you can't mount nfs from the kernel.. there are 3 things that could be wrong iirc
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| 12:43 | you don't have nfs module in initramfs, you don't have proper net driver in initramfs, the nfs server is inaccessible
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| 12:43 | it should try to modprobe nfs on boot, do you see that? and it succeeds?
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| 12:43 | try typing ifconfig to make sure your nic is working at the console
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| 12:44 | <nainaide> ok
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| 12:44 | btw, in wiki, what does "endor-initrd=" mean ?
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| 12:46 | <nainaide> my nic works at the console
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| 12:53 | <johnny> i removed that crap
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| 12:53 | it means nothing
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| 12:53 | nainaide, try modprobe nfs
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| 12:53 | and see if it is loaded
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| 12:53 | then try mounting it
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| 12:53 | <nainaide> cd
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| 12:53 | <Gadi> and if you remove endor, our fleet is clear to fire on the death star
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| 12:55 | <nainaide> FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.30-gentoo-r5/modules.dep: No such file or directory
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| 12:55 | and I saw the nfs.ko in /lib/modules/.....
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| 12:56 | <johnny> you're trying that from the console of the thin client right?
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| 12:56 | the /lib/modules in the initramfs is not the exact same as the one on the fs in the chroot
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| 12:56 | the one in the initramfs only includes what is in the /usr/share/genkernel/x86/config or whatever that file is called.. iforget
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| 12:56 | <nainaide> yes, I have chroot to thin client
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| 12:57 | <johnny> huh?
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| 12:57 | i'm talking about what yo usee in the console in the initramfs
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| 12:57 | look in the /lib/modules there
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| 12:57 | do you see nfs ?
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| 12:58 | <nainaide> /lib/modules/2.6.30-gentoo-r6/kernel/fs/nfs/nfs.ko
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| 12:58 | I saw it.
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| 12:58 | <Gadi> ah - r6 not r5!
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| 12:59 | someone's got the wrong kernel....
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| 13:00 | <johnny> nainaide, that is in the initramfsconsole that you see it ??
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| 13:00 | yes.. make sure your kernels match..
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| 13:00 | i usually use symlinks
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| 13:00 | kernel and initramfs versions match i mean
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| 13:01 | <nainaide> wow, My thin kernel version is kernel-genkernel-x86-2.6.30-gentoo-r6, r6, but when I modprobe nfs, it said Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.30-gentoo-r5/modules.dep, r5
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| 13:02 | <johnny> yes.. that would explain it.. make sure the 2 match..
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| 13:02 | <nainaide> what have ltsp-build-client done?
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| 13:02 | <Ahmuck_Sr> alkisg: still around ?
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| 13:03 | <alkisg> Hey Ahmuck_Sr
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| 13:03 | <johnny> nainaide, it does the right thing.. you must have done the wrong thing
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| 13:03 | <alkisg> (08:26:46 μμ) ltsppbot: "alkisg" pasted "gpxe script to boot LTSP over http" (7 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/560
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| 13:03 | (08:26:58 μμ) alkisg: If Ahmuck comes back, here's his script: ^^^^
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| 13:03 | <johnny> in the chroot rebuild your initramfs.. and copy it to the tftpdir
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| 13:03 | and also make sure they both match..
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| 13:03 | * Gadi loves johnny's custoemr support | |
| 13:03 | <nainaide> johnny, ok, will try
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| 13:03 | <johnny> you are copying the client kernel right? not the server one?
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| 13:04 | <nainaide> definitely
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| 13:05 | <johnny> and the versions in /lib/modules/somekernel match the same in your tftpdir ?
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| 13:05 | of the kernel and initramfs?
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| 13:05 | /me just nearly broke the hinge on his laptop :(
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| 13:06 | <Ahmuck_Sr> i only need to change the ip address?
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| 13:06 | <alkisg> Ahmuck_Sr: yup
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| 13:06 | <Ahmuck_Sr> k, will try
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| 13:06 | need to move to the other office
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| 13:06 | <alkisg> Ahmuck_Sr: you got i386, right?
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| 13:06 | (clients)
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| 13:07 | Ahmuck_Sr: you should put the external ip of your ltsp server there. Make sure you can ping it first.
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| 13:07 | <Ahmuck_Sr> alkisg: yes
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| 13:07 | <alkisg> ok
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| 13:08 | Also if you have a firewall you need to allow the tftp and nbd ports.
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| 13:14 | <ftherese> been having another issue with mounting of usb drives on the thin clients
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| 13:14 | <Ahmuck_Sr> http://pastebot.ltsp.org/560
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| 13:14 | <ftherese> if one drive is inserted in one computer under one user
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| 13:14 | and another drive is inserted in another computer under the same user
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| 13:15 | the second drive is not mounted until the first is removed
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| 13:15 | <johnny> you're not supposed to login in multiple times as the same user
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| 13:15 | period
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| 13:15 | gnome doesn't like it.. firefox doesn't like it
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| 13:15 | use a different user
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| 13:15 | <ftherese> what about a guest account?
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| 13:15 | <johnny> don't use a guest account
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| 13:15 | or make a guest account for all users
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| 13:15 | err
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| 13:15 | for all pcs
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| 13:15 | that's what i do
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| 13:15 | <ftherese> ug
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| 13:16 | that creates problems for using wine
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| 13:16 | <johnny> truly..
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| 13:16 | other folks have mentioned that wine still doesn't let you install things globally
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| 13:16 | i've heard of hacks around it.. perhaps others can enlighten
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| 13:16 | <ftherese> I've heard of symlinking, but not gotten it to work
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| 13:16 | <johnny> definitely something somebody should take care of
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| 13:17 | anybody wanna pay me to fix wine? :)
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| 13:17 | <alkisg> Heh :)
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| 13:17 | I think they already sell that capability commercially...
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| 13:17 | <johnny> well.. it's something the open version needs
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| 13:17 | <ftherese> plus... the servers have limited hard disk space, and I don't want to have multiple users with multiple home directories with the same software installed in each
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| 13:18 | <johnny> i odn't use wine myself. but it sounds like a fun challenge..
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| 13:18 | <johnny> ftherese, then symlinking is probably the way to go if possible..
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| 13:18 | <alkisg> ftherese: if you look at the logs from ltsp, I once suggested wineprefix + a tmpfs, and somebody got it working...
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| 13:19 | <ftherese> there are some really useful programs that no one bothers making a linux version of because running under wine is just fine
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| 13:19 | <alkisg> ...he had posted a blog entry about it
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| 13:19 | <johnny> uggh ruby-git.. why must you be so annoying
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| 13:20 | <ftherese> I still would like to know why users that try to open localapps via their files in gvfs can't do so
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| 13:21 | <nainaide> johnny, still a question, in wiki , I found it is "endor-initrd=initramfs-YOURKERNELVERSION " but not "initrd=initramfs-YOURKERNELVERSION" what does endor means ?
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| 13:21 | <Ahmuck> brb, let's see if it works :)
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| 13:22 | <johnny> ignore it
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| 13:22 | i told you
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| 13:22 | 5 times now
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| 13:22 | i fixed the wiki i thought to remove all endor references
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| 13:23 | oh.. i missed one
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| 13:23 | <nainaide> :)
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| 13:24 | <johnny> ok.. it's gone
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| 13:25 | <ftherese> with a network samba share mounted via gvfs is there any way to make that show up in the /media directory?
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| 13:26 | <Ahmuck_Sr> yay \o/, it works
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| 13:27 | connected to ltsp via wirless
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| 13:27 | in remote office
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| 13:27 | alkisg: do you take paypal ?
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| 13:27 | <alkisg> Ahmuck_Sr: heh :)
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| 13:27 | Nice going
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| 13:28 | <johnny> ftherese, no..
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| 13:28 | mount the samba share elsewhere
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| 13:28 | in /etc/fstab
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| 13:31 | <ftherese> I wasted three days trying to mount a samba share that would permit the thin client to mount it
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| 13:31 | <johnny> have it mounted already then
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| 13:32 | if it's in /etc/fstab it should show up
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| 13:32 | have it mounted on boot of the server
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| 13:32 | <ftherese> I used to try mounting it that way... but I could not for the life of me force it to give write permissions
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| 13:32 | to the thin client
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| 13:32 | <johnny> i'm sure google can helk with that
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| 13:32 | help*
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| 13:32 | <Ahmuck_Sr> ftherese: ssh ?
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| 13:33 | <ftherese> if I worked on it for three days... it means I read everything I could find on google and tried all the things i could find
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| 13:33 | so I abandoned that whole track... and I am much happier that at least the shares can be accessed and written to now
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| 13:33 | <johnny> i'm just glad i don't have to rely on samba
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| 13:34 | <ftherese> yes... in an ideal world where no one uses windows
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| 13:34 | but I work in the realm of progressive conversions
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| 14:02 | <Ahmuck_Sr> alkisg: still up ?
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| 14:02 | <sbalneav> I'm beginning to become more and more resigned to the idea that maybe I should resign from LTSP proper, learn open embedded, and start up a distro that LTSP can use for thin clients. See my latest <rant|post> in LTSP discuss :)
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| 14:04 | We keep "bumping" into the same problem that all our users complain, with justification, about. Sooner or later, we're going to have to adress the elephant in the room.
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| 14:04 | otavio: Ping
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| 14:05 | <alkisg2> Ahmuck_Sr: pong - from a different pc because I'm feeding my son on the other one :P :D
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| 14:06 | <Gadi> sbalneav: elephants are fat
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| 14:06 | <sbalneav> You're feeding your son a PC?
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| 14:06 | <Ahmuck_Sr> :) ... you mentioned something about throttling the other day
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| 14:06 | nm, i'll google it
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| 14:06 | <alkisg2> teeworlds is the best way to feed a 3 y.o. kid :D
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| 14:06 | throttling? what's that?
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| 14:09 | "-Are you gonna eat your egg? -nah... -Shall we play teeworlds while you eating your egg? -Yeah!" :D
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| 14:10 | <Ahmuck_Sr> sbalneav: link to your rant/post?
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| 14:10 | <sbalneav> err, ummm. Check your ltsp-discuss inbox? :)
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| 14:11 | You ARE subscribed, are you not?
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| 14:11 | Nudge Nudge Wink Wink
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| 14:12 | <johnny> link sbalneav ?
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| 14:12 | i'm not subscribed.. i can't keep up
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| 14:13 | <sbalneav> geez, now I have to google my own posts
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| 14:13 | What a revoltin' situmication.
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| 14:13 | one sec...
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| 14:13 | <alkisg2> [3~/quit
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| 14:14 | <johnny> oh.. don't bother sbalneav .. i'll find it..
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| 14:14 | thought you might happen to have it on hand :)
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| 14:17 | * alkisg was imagining the lion roaring from old cartoons while reading the mail... :D | |
| 14:17 | <johnny> hmm.. guess i won't.. since only posts in last month seem to related to slow right click in firefox..
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| 14:17 | with your name attached that is..
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| 14:17 | ah.. that is it..
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| 14:17 | sbalneav, it seems that if we wait long enough.. those issues will disappear
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| 14:18 | the elephant will shrink
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| 14:18 | i think we have waited long enough
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| 14:18 | if you wanted to start such a project.. i think your'e about 2 or 3 years too late
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| 14:18 | <sbalneav> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=ltsp-discuss&max_rows=25&style=nested&viewmonth=200909
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| 14:19 | johnny: Not really. It's still a *huge* issue, especially in developing countries.
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| 14:19 | <johnny> you'd think those machines would be completely dead by now :)
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| 14:19 | <otavio> sbalneav: hello
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| 14:19 | <sbalneav> Damn this stupid WWW and it's freaking perportional fonts
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| 14:19 | <johnny> starting a distro is abad idea..
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| 14:19 | * sbalneav hugs otavio | |
| 14:19 | <johnny> finding an existing one.. better
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| 14:19 | <sbalneav> Hey.
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| 14:19 | So.
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| 14:20 | <johnny> sbalneav, you know you could take gentoo and compile all the necessary bits with uclibc or something
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| 14:20 | there's your shrunken distro
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| 14:20 | <sbalneav> otavio: any word on OpenEmbedded
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| 14:20 | <johnny> with the packages maintained elsewhere
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| 14:20 | <otavio> sbalneav: I have a branch locally that I started to work in
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| 14:21 | sbalneav: when I were at Debconf I started working at it with Vagrant but he didn't show much interest on that so I gave up at that moment
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| 14:21 | sbalneav: but if you are interested on that I could start looking at it again, no problem
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| 14:21 | <johnny> sbalneav, you'd think we could steal something from the mobile communities..
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| 14:21 | <sbalneav> any chance you could publish it somewhere? I *might* (no firm promises just yet) be interested in pushing this a bit harder.
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| 14:21 | <johnny> or are even those too big now?
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| 14:22 | perhaps something based on rpath linux..
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| 14:22 | <otavio> sbalneav: sure I can
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| 14:22 | <johnny> i think openembedded might be just a bit too small.. and much harder to develop with
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| 14:22 | <sbalneav> johnny: Well, otavio talked to us in .br, and he's got some yummy bits in Open Embedded.
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| 14:22 | <johnny> in comparison to using a frameowkr
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| 14:23 | that is familiar to most
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| 14:23 | <otavio> johnny: I use it daily; I think it is quite easy for what we need
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| 14:23 | johnny: but it is my POV
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| 14:23 | <johnny> sbalneav, do you really think people will approve?
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| 14:23 | <sbalneav> What people? LTSP? It'll just be another "distro" that LTSP's ported to.
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| 14:23 | <otavio> johnny: people don't need to approve; if it is available you're free to use it or not ;-)
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| 14:24 | <johnny> ah.. that route.. sbalneav
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| 14:24 | would suck to divide efforts that way tho..
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| 14:24 | would be nice to use standard packaging systems
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| 14:24 | <sbalneav> Yes. it would.
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| 14:24 | <otavio> johnny: do you have any better idea? I'm curious :-D
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| 14:25 | <maginot> good afternoon ... I was wondering to myself, is any simple way to bind /dev/lp0 from client to some device like /dev/SomeDevice in order to make some proprietary softwares to recognize the device as local ?
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| 14:25 | <sbalneav> But I'm tired of us all shrugging our shoulders and saying "oh well". Hopefully, if we can get something working, maybe we can get someone interested in taking it over.
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| 14:25 | <maginot> *to some device IN SERVER
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| 14:25 | <sbalneav> maginot: Not easily.
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| 14:26 | <Gadi> sbalneav: anybody tried just tuning the kernel? kinda like what eeepc folks do for the eeepc?
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| 14:26 | <otavio> sbalneav: I started a quite small distro to be used ... I'm in the way finishing to get X working on that
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| 14:26 | <Gadi> ie, keep using ubuntu but with a separate kernel package tuned for low memory?
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| 14:26 | <otavio> From MY POV kernel is a huge problem but not the only one
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| 14:26 | <maginot> but it could work, right ? I was thinking if this could be done with shell script or if some low level language like C would be better
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| 14:27 | <sbalneav> Gadi: The kernel's only part of the issue. I did some playing around with it, and it would help, sure, but other things are too big too.
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| 14:27 | <otavio> Initrd, the way packages are compiled; the size of binaries and the number of features that are USELESS in old machines
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| 14:27 | <maginot> unfortunetily I need to make this to work (if doesnt exist I will have to create something) because I'm having some problem to install a remote printer with the lexmark linux software
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| 14:27 | <Gadi> sbalneav: do the other things fall out of, say, an ubuntu framework, or are they alternative "universe" packages, for example?
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| 14:28 | <sbalneav> Gadi: no, it's things like X and libc itself that add to the bloat.
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| 14:28 | <Gadi> well, I guess it depends on how far ur gonna take it
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| 14:29 | <sbalneav> otavio had some good success, and I'm interested in helping it along
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| 14:29 | <Gadi> like, you could use kdrive (or whatever its called now)
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| 14:29 | insteaad of X
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| 14:29 | <otavio> Gadi: kdrive
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| 14:29 | <Gadi> but not have support for widescreens and such
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| 14:29 | <Ahmuck_Sr> linuxfromscratch
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| 14:29 | <otavio> Gadi: we, at embedded world, has steped back from kdrive
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| 14:29 | <Ahmuck_Sr> i don't see how one could support a distro without a full team however
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| 14:29 | <Gadi> otavio: whats the flavor of the month?
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| 14:29 | <otavio> Gadi: even though it is fast ... it is outdated in hw support and not well maintained
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| 14:29 | <Ahmuck_Sr> it means building *.pkg from scratch tailored to the system
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| 14:30 | <otavio> Gadi: and we are all using regular Xorg now
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| 14:30 | <sbalneav> My *HOPE* would be, if otavio and I could get something working and published, would be that we could find someone down in .br (maybe we could hit up Propus for some support) to maintain it on a going-forward basis.
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| 14:30 | <otavio> Gadi: but, obviously, reduced one
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| 14:30 | <Ahmuck_Sr> litterly building scribus, gimp, etc. from the ground up so as not to drag in all sorts of dependencies
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| 14:30 | <Gadi> my question is just: maintain a distro or maintain some packages for a distro
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| 14:30 | <otavio> sbalneav: I could offer help at company side for it
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| 14:30 | <Ahmuck_Sr> wouldn't it ?
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| 14:30 | <sbalneav> maginot: is it a windows printer?
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| 14:30 | <Ahmuck_Sr> a distro is just a distro without packages
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| 14:31 | <otavio> Gadi: we'll be maintaining a set of packages since we'll be just another image on OE
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| 14:31 | Gadi: so most of work, after done, will be shared among other distros inside OE
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| 14:31 | <sbalneav> Well, I would say our use case WOULDN'T be local apps. Just purely remote X
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| 14:31 | <Gadi> right, but perhaps you could just amintain ubuntu packages
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| 14:31 | <otavio> Gadi: so much easier then other known alternatives that I know
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| 14:31 | <sbalneav> The chances of running localapps on a 586 16M machine aare small.
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| 14:31 | <otavio> Gadi: sorry... but I doubt it is possible
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| 14:31 | <Gadi> in my experience, uclibc doesn't buy you much
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| 14:32 | in this case
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| 14:32 | <otavio> Gadi: I never said that the effort of uclibc is worth
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| 14:32 | Gadi: but a well reduced rootfs is
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| 14:32 | Gadi: not using coreutils and like
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| 14:32 | Gadi: using busybox
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| 14:32 | <Gadi> im not sure its the size of the rootfs that matters
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| 14:32 | <otavio> Gadi: using a striped kernel and it with a patched scheduler (like bfs)
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| 14:32 | <Gadi> it is, after all, a network mount
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| 14:32 | <sbalneav> otavio: Get something pushed somewhere where I can see it. And if you can point me at a openembedded tutorial, that'd be good.
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| 14:33 | <otavio> sbalneav: Ok; hold a bit
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| 14:33 | <Gadi> whats more important is the RAM footprint of running apps
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| 14:33 | <Gadi> which depends more on the choice of apps, no?
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| 14:34 | <maginot> sbalneav, its a printer connected to the thinclient, its a lexmark e332n... the printer its connected and working, but everything that is printed isnt come out right, so I suspect to be a driver problem, I downloaded the only linux driver from lexmark and its like its own interface, I have no option to connect to port 9100 (maybe because is a hp thing?)
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| 14:34 | <alkisg> Guys, is the focus really on making LTSP run on lighter hardware? AFAIK, the hardware that people have is getting better each year; so fat clients should be the focus imho...
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| 14:34 | (that coming from someone that runs LTSP on 300MHz/64RAM)
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| 14:34 | <otavio> Gadi: not really
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| 14:34 | Gadi: many things matter
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| 14:34 | Gadi: for example .... the initscripts
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| 14:35 | Gadi: the number of daemons started
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| 14:35 | Gadi: bash is slower then busybox sh
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| 14:35 | <Gadi> I see ur point
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| 14:35 | <otavio> Gadi: and it links against libraries that need to be loaded through network and then it matters
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| 14:35 | <Gadi> your focus is to speed up the boot of older machines
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| 14:35 | <sbalneav> alkisg: You're brining your first world viewpoint to things. I've been down to Brazil. There's lots of 586 16M machines down there that people want to run.
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| 14:36 | <otavio> Gadi: so ... it is due a lot of small points that makes it work better
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| 14:36 | <Gadi> not "work better" - "boot faster"
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| 14:36 | <alkisg> sbalneav: are those still working? we also have 586/16m ram here, but for each lab with 12 such PCs, only 2 are still working - not worth the time to revive them...
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| 14:36 | <otavio> Gadi: work better has no definitive meaning ... it depends on the reference you take
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| 14:37 | Gadi: better can be: smaller memory footprint
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| 14:37 | Gadi: boot faster
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| 14:37 | <Gadi> without a clear definition, Im afraid your project will have no direction
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| 14:37 | <otavio> Gadi: use less space
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| 14:37 | Gadi: use better processor cache
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| 14:37 | <sbalneav> alkisg: Sure, but when you're a teacher in .br, and you've got a lab full of these things, and that's all you've got...
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| 14:37 | <otavio> Gadi: have more/less features
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| 14:37 | <alkisg> sbalneav: those would be better off with a plain vnc :D
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| 14:37 | +svgalib or something :D
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| 14:37 | <Gadi> so, you need to decide the goal
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| 14:37 | <otavio> Gadi: work better for old hardware
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| 14:38 | Gadi: this doesn't mena boot faster
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| 14:38 | <otavio> Gadi: but do whatever is required for it to happen
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| 14:38 | <Gadi> sounds like a goal to me
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| 14:39 | now pick the tradeoff
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| 14:39 | <otavio> Gadi: see?
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| 14:39 | <Gadi> I do see
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| 14:39 | now pick the tradeoff
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| 14:39 | <otavio> Gadi: sure; we don't hope to have all features that _current_ ltsp has. Just the bare minimum one
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| 14:39 | <Gadi> no project can have its cake and eat it too
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| 14:40 | a successful project chooses something to sacrifice
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| 14:40 | so as not to lose focus on the goal
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| 14:40 | <otavio> Gadi: the goal of LTSP was be usable in old machines
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| 14:40 | Gadi: during last years it has changed focus to a full desktop through network ...
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| 14:41 | Gadi: so it might look as a radical return to the root focus ;-)
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| 14:41 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 14:41 | <darkpixel_work> I am trying to setup LTSP kiosks for public use. I setup a profile exactly how I want it and tar'd it up. I was thinking I could run an rm -rf $HOME; tar xvf publicprofile.tar -C $HOME from /etc/gdm/PostLogin/Default, but as I understand it, the thin clients run that file from within the ltsp chroot. From the thin client, inside the chroot, can I delete and untar the home directory of a user that is currently trying to login? Is there a better way?
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| 14:42 | <sbalneav> Well, from MY point of view, the way to structure it would be to use this as a starting point to spawn off a "thin client distro" that someone else can carry forward.
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| 14:42 | <otavio> sbalneav: dunno if you agree with me or not
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| 14:43 | <sbalneav> Well, I think the two goals aren't mutually exclusive.
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| 14:43 | Like I say, what we need is just a "scaled down distro" that can be used with the LTSP bits.
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| 14:44 | LTSP continues developing as it is.
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| 14:44 | <sbalneav> the "Scaled Down Distro" (which I am now officially dubbing SDD for ease of typing, BTW) can continue on it's path.
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| 14:44 | * Gadi wonders why gentoo is not the obvious choice - cant it be scaled down to whichever extent desired? | |
| 14:45 | <otavio> sbalneav: https://projetos.ossystems.com.br/git/?p=users/otavio/org.openembedded.dev.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/ltsp
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| 14:45 | <Gadi> isnt that what the gooey logo's all about?
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| 14:45 | :)
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| 14:45 | <otavio> sbalneav: this is not ready and neither working
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| 14:45 | <Ahmuck_Sr> gentoo is a pain to maintian
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| 14:45 | <sbalneav> Well, it could be.
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| 14:45 | <otavio> sbalneav: but is the latest version I have locally
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| 14:45 | sbalneav: I can look at it during WE with you if you wish
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| 14:45 | <sbalneav> All I'm doing is grasping onto the straw that's been offered :)
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| 14:45 | <Ahmuck_Sr> morever, who want's to build gentoo on top of an old pc?
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| 14:45 | <Gadi> not ontop of an old pc
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| 14:46 | just to create the chroot
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| 14:46 | Im assuming the chroot for such a beast would just be a binary blob
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| 14:46 | generated infrequently
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| 14:46 | and available for download
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| 14:46 | <sbalneav> otavio: Can we do it in an evening next week? This weekend I'm out at the cottage, where, saints be praised, there's no internet :)
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| 14:46 | <Gadi> ala LTSP 4.2
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| 14:47 | <sbalneav> Gadi: yes, that's how I'd envision it.
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| 14:47 | <otavio> sbalneav: sure; no problem
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| 14:47 | <Gadi> in that case, prolly best to have a real good blob generator
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| 14:47 | <sbalneav> Ideally, every time we "tag" a new upstream release, the SSD gnomes would make blob+1 appear.
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| 14:48 | <Gadi> and gentoo already has the attractive characteristics
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| 14:48 | since you can cross compile to a zillion platforms
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| 14:49 | <Gadi> and tweak things with USE thingies
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| 14:49 | johnny, help me out here
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| 14:49 | <otavio> Gadi: please compare to : https://projetos.ossystems.com.br/git/?p=users/otavio/org.openembedded.dev.git;a=tree;f=conf/machine;h=0ce89a88d199dfa358dbff3fac4ced2679a40b4d;hb=refs/heads/ltsp
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| 14:49 | well; /me need to come back to work
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| 14:49 | see you all
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| 14:49 | sbalneav: ping me when around
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| 14:51 | <Gadi> hehe - its all greek to me
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| 14:52 | but, whatever works, right?
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| 14:52 | :)
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| 14:53 | <vagrantc> we do have people in this channel who understand greek, though.
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| 14:54 | <alkisg> (we use the phrase "it's all chinese to me" :D)
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| 14:54 | * alkisg has trouble understanding how to make name server updates work... | |
| 14:55 | <alkisg> Either with dhclient, or nsupdate...
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| 14:58 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: should i remove your old account?
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| 14:58 | Ryan52: on alioth
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| 15:12 | <tstafford_> is it possible to have clients to connect to a different server than the tftp/dhcp server?
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| 15:13 | <alkisg> tstafford_: yup. Which distro?
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| 15:13 | <tstafford_> ubuntu 9.04
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| 15:13 | <alkisg> Put nbdroot=1.2.3.4:2000 as a kernel parameter in pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 15:14 | <tstafford_> awesome! thanks
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| 15:14 | <alkisg> Yw
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| 15:34 | <jammcq> sbalneav: see that.... I KNEW you'd take on that project :)
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| 15:51 | <sbalneav> jammcq: yeah.
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| 15:51 | yeah yeah yeah
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| 15:51 | See my latest post in -discuss
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| 15:51 | <jammcq> sbalneav: yep, saw it
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| 15:53 | <Gadi> personally, I think jammcq is ideally qualified to head up the project ;)
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| 15:53 | we can call it, "The Linux Terminal Server Project"
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| 15:54 | it'll be HUGE
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| 15:54 | <jammcq> lemme see if the domain name is available
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| 15:54 | <Gadi> oh, and we'll need a good logo
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| 15:54 | like LTSP in big yellow letters - courier font
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| 15:54 | <jammcq> and shirts
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| 15:54 | and booth babes
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| 15:55 | I can hardly wait
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| 15:55 | <Gadi> hmm... where can we get booth babes....
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| 15:55 | <jammcq> up north, in canada
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| 15:55 | <Gadi> Yeah!
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| 15:55 | <jammcq> they grow em big up there
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| 15:55 | <Gadi> the land of booth babes!
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| 15:55 | this is gonna be AWESOME
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| 15:56 | we should find someplace in the middle of nowhere to meet each year and work on it
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| 15:56 | like a cabin in the backwoods of maine
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| 15:56 | or something
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| 15:56 | <jammcq> that's actually the edge of nowwhere
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| 15:56 | the middle would be clarkston, Michigan
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| 15:56 | <Gadi> ah, a crust man
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| 15:57 | <jammcq> mmm, that sounds good
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| 15:57 | * jammcq is gonna have to get some crust for dinner tonight | |
| 15:59 | <yoshi_> hi everyone
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| 15:59 | <jammcq> hey yoshi_
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| 15:59 | or better yet: yo yoshi_
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| 15:59 | <yoshi_> i am reading the mailing list
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| 15:59 | and see you guys are in the need of testers
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| 15:59 | :)
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| 16:00 | <jammcq> that's a never-ending need
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| 16:00 | <yoshi_> well i want to volunteer but don't have experiance with bug reporting and so on. i mean never did that in the opensource community
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| 16:01 | <yoshi_> however i got material enough to do the testing and the infrastructure
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| 16:02 | so who can i contact who is head of testing team
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| 16:02 | <jammcq> well... should be helpful
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| 16:02 | head of testing.... hmm, who did we assign that to?
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| 16:02 | * Gadi goes to contact HR | |
| 16:02 | * jammcq looks in the corporate directory | |
| 16:03 | <jammcq> magic eight ball says: we don't have one
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| 16:03 | * Gadi fires the magic eight ball | |
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| 16:04 | <Gadi> one more magic eight ball hurt by the economy
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| 16:04 | <yoshi_> mmm
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| 16:05 | <jammcq> yeah, there's alot of them out of jobs right now, especially after the fiasco on wallstreet where EVERYONE was using a magic eight ball
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| 16:07 | <yoshi_> i presume i just summit bugs through https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp
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| 16:07 | and you guys can see this and pick it up
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| 16:07 | <jammcq> yoshi_: yeah, in generate that's how it goes. BUt, a tester hanging out here in #ltsp would be really nice too
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| 16:08 | <yoshi_> well ive been here almost every day and planning to stay to bugger you guys :)
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| 16:08 | we will put up karmic and ltsp next week and see what it gives :)
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| 16:09 | <jammcq> yoshi_: that's great. it'll help alot
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| 16:10 | <yoshi_> np at least i can do something, keep you posted
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| 16:11 | <stgraber> sbalneav: about your last mail to the mailing-list, did you try karmic ? I have been quite surprise by the memory usage I saw on the thin clients at the office, it can do below 50MB of RAM
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| 16:14 | <vagrantc> stgraber: i was looking at your recent localapps changes to support language stuff ... seems like ltsp-localappsd doesn't do anything with $MY_LANG, so it's kind of a no-op.
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| 16:15 | stgraber: i was also wondering if we put it after X95-run-session, if we wouldn't have to duplicate setting the MY_LANG variable
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| 16:15 | <stgraber> vagrantc: the issue with X95- is that it's (AFAIK) a blocking one that returns only when the session ends (at least I think it does for fat client)
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| 16:16 | <vagrantc> ah.
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| 16:17 | <stgraber> for now, I'll simply add MY_LANG before calling ltsp-localappsd, that way the environment should be correct
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| 16:17 | <vagrantc> well, ltsp-localappsd doesn't use MY_LANG in any way
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| 16:17 | <stgraber> - ltsp-localappsd &
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| 16:17 | + $MY_LANG ltsp-localappsd &
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| 16:17 | <vagrantc> i tried that, doesn't work
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| 16:18 | "env $MY_LANG ltsp-localappsd" seemed to work
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| 16:18 | <stgraber> ah, or even simpler
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| 16:18 | <vagrantc> LANG=$LDM_LANGUAGE ltsp-localappsd &
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| 16:18 | <stgraber> hmm, no, not a good idea :) I was thinking of exporting the content of MY_LANG but that may cause some issue with the following rc.d scripts
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| 16:18 | <vagrantc> if LDM_LANGUAGE isn't set... it'll just use the default, no?
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| 16:19 | yeah, i thought about that too (it's in my working branch)
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| 16:20 | <stgraber> http://paste.ubuntu.com/278248/
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| 16:20 | <stgraber> with this one we don't even have to care about the defaults ;)
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| 16:20 | <vagrantc> yeah, was thinking something along those lines as well
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| 16:22 | <stgraber> alright, pushed this one to trunk
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| 16:22 | <stgraber> that'll make some of my users happy :) I usually build my chroot in en_US.UTF-8 so they were complaining that localapps were in english
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| 16:23 | <vagrantc> right
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| 16:25 | <Ahmuck_Sr> i'm trying to locate my ip address for my switch. however it does not appear to be responding to a ping. i have two nics, one inbound and one outbound
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| 16:25 | iirc, the ltsp server should be serving dhcp and so the switch should be picking up an address
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| 16:25 | i don't recall how to see what address are served up with dhcp
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| 16:26 | <stgraber> Ahmuck_Sr: look in the syslog
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| 16:27 | <jammcq> Ahmuck_Sr: are you setting an IP for your switch so you can get to the management interface?
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| 16:28 | in general, switches don't have IP addresses
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| 16:57 | <tstafford_> usually you can see the dhcp server giving out leases in syslog... and they are stored in /var/lib/dhcp3/dhcpd.leases
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| 17:07 | * vagrantc looks at ltsp 5.1.gettingreallylarge | |
| 17:08 | <vagrantc> i remember people saying we'd *surely* release 5.2 before 5.1.99 came around
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| 17:45 | <stgraber> An idea would be to tag a new LTSP every year before the hackfest, so 5.2 would be just before BTS-2009
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| 17:46 | would probably make documentation easier as the hackfest is usually the moment where there's the more work on the doc, then we'd simply document current-1 (5.1 in our csae) and start breaking everything in 5.2
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| 18:17 | <sbalneav> !docs
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| 18:17 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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