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Channel log from 14 April 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:23 | <warren> Ryan52: hint
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| 01:23 | Ryan52: edit your ltsp-dhcpd.conf and make it do PXE instead of elf
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| 01:23 | Ryan52: perhaps the mkelfimage wrapped kernel broke with F-11?
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| 01:23 | worth testing
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| 01:27 | <Ryan52> the tftp server isn't responding.
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| 01:27 | from anything except localhost..
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| 01:28 | (from another system on my network:)
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| 01:28 | $ tftp 10.0.0.13
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| 01:28 | tftp> get /ltsp/i386/elf.ltsp
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| 01:28 | Transfer timed out.
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| 01:28 | tftp>
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| 01:28 | $ ping -c 1 10.0.0.13
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| 01:28 | PING 10.0.0.13 (10.0.0.13) 56(84) bytes of data.
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| 01:28 | 64 bytes from 10.0.0.13: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.488 ms
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| 01:29 | and it's listening, according to netstat..
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| 01:30 | <alkisg> Ryan52: which tftp server is that?
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| 01:31 | <warren> iptables?
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| 01:33 | * Ryan52 == epic fail | |
| 01:33 | <Ryan52> that was it. *shame*
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| 01:34 | <warren> hahha
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| 01:34 | <warren> Ryan52: that bit me dozens of times
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| 01:40 | <Ryan52> now I get a black screen half way through boot.
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| 01:41 | * Ryan52 wonders if it's an X problem.. | |
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| 02:44 | <Drakonen> are people here using sabayon to administer users? if so how do i get it working on ubuntu-ltsp?
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| 02:45 | or else, what are people using to centrally administer users?
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| 05:23 | <gate_keeper_> guys, does anyone have succeded to get thin-clients sound card recognized and working under ubuntu 8.04?
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| 07:47 | <tadeu_> guys, is there any way to chroot the clients ?
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| 07:48 | <X-TaZ> Hi there
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| 07:49 | I'm looking for connecting to LTSP via a windows runnning VNC. I'm running LTSP5 on Ubuntu 8.10
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| 07:50 | ( sorry it's not 100% linux but my boss want it :p
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| 07:50 | <Drakonen> X-TaZ: im doing something similar with rdp on ubuntu 8.10
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| 07:51 | using xrdp
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| 07:51 | <X-TaZ> Ok. Does it work ?
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| 07:51 | <Drakonen> yes, but not completely correct
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| 07:51 | it seems to forget that its runnign gconf
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| 07:52 | while a "normal" PXE booted session works fine
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| 07:53 | <X-TaZ> Doh :x Do you know if vnc works fine with ltsp 5 ? I read some lines about using it on LTSP4 but nothing about 5
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| 07:53 | <Drakonen> which ltsp is default on ubu 8.10?
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| 07:54 | <X-TaZ> 5
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| 07:54 | :p
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| 07:54 | I don't know exactly what 5.0XXX it is :x What command could tell me that ?
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| 07:55 | <cliebow> dpkg -l|grep ltsp
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| 07:55 | <X-TaZ> ty
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| 07:56 | <cliebow> 8~)
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| 07:56 | <X-TaZ> so I'm runing 5.1.29-0ubuntu3
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| 07:57 | <Drakonen> same
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| 07:58 | <X-TaZ> Which win32 rdp client are u using Drakonen ?
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| 07:59 | <Drakonen> none, we have tried tsclient on linux, remote desktop on mac, and a hardware thing doing rdp
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| 07:59 | we dont run windows on the desktop here
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| 07:59 | <X-TaZ> Lucky :p
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| 07:59 | <Drakonen> or, as little as possible
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| 08:00 | we have a cytrix machine though
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| 08:00 | <X-TaZ> My boss want me to make transitionnal from windows to linux... But wants to remain some compz under windows ( i don't know if my english is readable )
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| 08:00 | <Drakonen> its fine
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| 08:01 | for clients that do not have to run windows, use PXE booting, works the best as far as i know
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| 08:02 | <X-TaZ> Ok ok
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| 08:03 | <cyberorg> X-TaZ, install xrdp server and use rdp client to connect
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| 08:03 | <X-TaZ> Well its what I'm doing right now :)
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| 08:04 | <cyberorg> X-TaZ, so whats the problem?
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| 08:04 | <X-TaZ> I'd prefer using vnc
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| 08:04 | <cyberorg> so enable vnc server?
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| 08:04 | <X-TaZ> ( all my clients already have a vnc in their laptops )
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| 08:05 | <cyberorg> X-TaZ, doesnt windows come with rdp client built in?
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| 08:05 | <Drakonen> yes it does
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| 08:06 | <X-TaZ> Enable vnc server .. ? I want clients could connect at the login panel, via VNC, like with usual normal PXE booting on LTSP5
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| 08:06 | Oh yes ?
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| 08:06 | I have to read more on the web about rdp
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| 08:06 | <cyberorg> X-TaZ, for that enable xdmcp
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| 08:06 | <Drakonen> remote desktop
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| 08:06 | cyberorg: do you have experience with xrdp>?
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| 08:07 | <X-TaZ> cyberorg, : do you have any tutirial about this ?
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| 08:12 | <cyberorg> Drakonen, live dvd here has xrdp server preinstalled http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Education/images/iso/
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| 08:12 | <Drakonen> so you suggest switching to suse?
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| 08:12 | <cyberorg> open terminal, su -, run rcxrdp start
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| 08:12 | <Drakonen> im running ubuntu atm
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| 08:13 | <cyberorg> Drakonen, if you wish :) but i think xrdp server is available for ubuntu, it should work almost same
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| 08:13 | <Drakonen> (i read all kinds of nice things and easy configuration about kiwi-suse)
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| 08:13 | cyberorg: i have it working, but its not working completely properly
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| 08:14 | the theme for example is not set correctly and i guess takes on the defaults
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| 08:14 | (its not the brown ubuntu theme i get when PXE booting, but blue)
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| 08:15 | and when i try to change the desktop background it gives a warning that the gnome-seetings-daemon cannot be started
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| 08:17 | <cyberorg> X-TaZ, when you have xdmcp enabled, point your vnc client to the ltsp server with whatever port it is running xdmcp (i think it is serverip:1)
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| 08:17 | you dont have to change anything in lts.conf for windows PC to connect
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| 08:19 | <X-TaZ> Thanks a lot
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| 08:19 | <cyberorg> Drakonen, i have never tested it with windows, it should work better as a lot of extra work has gone in suse's xrdp
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| 08:19 | <Drakonen> cyberorg: hmm, that might b good news
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| 08:19 | but it doesnt matter which rdp client i use :/
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| 08:21 | ill try suse, with the link posted before
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| 08:22 | which image should i get? opensuse education unstable or opensuse ed kiwi ltsp live?
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| 08:22 | <cyberorg> at least it will tell you if it works properly or not or give you an idea how it should work
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| 08:35 | <tadeu_> guys, how to set a proxy for all users ?
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| 08:36 | <alkisg> tadeu_: System > Preferences > Network proxy > Apply for all users
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| 08:36 | <tadeu_> thanks
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| 08:43 | <X-TaZ> Can't find how to enable XDMCP. I found oldstuff ( since 2006 ) telling me System->Administration->Login Screen Setup > Security but there is nothing about XDMCP in it :x
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| 08:49 | <alkisg> X-TaZ: vi /etc/gdm/gdm.conf => [xdmc] => Enable: True
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| 08:49 | typo, [xdmcp] => Enable=True
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| 08:50 | <tadeu_> alkisg, well i didn't find that option in ubuntu
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| 08:51 | <X-TaZ> thank you alkisg
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| 08:51 | <alkisg> tadeu_: well, I use Ubuntu and the option's there :)
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| 08:51 | Anyway, run: gnome-network-properties
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| 08:51 | It's the same without going to the menus
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| 08:59 | <ogra> alkisg, you probably use the other ubuntu :)
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| 09:00 | <alkisg> :P
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| 09:00 | <ogra> i noticed that before ...
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| 09:00 | you seem to use the ubuntu that has bugs :P
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| 09:00 | <alkisg> Hehe yeah too many of them! :)
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| 09:01 | * ogra is really unhappy with the added requirement of gnome translations through ldm-dialog | |
| 09:01 | <alkisg> Me too... couldn't you just ask us translators to translate a few more buttons somehow? :(
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| 09:01 | <ogra> ldm was always designed in a way that you could have used it without translation packages to save ram and diskspace
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| 09:02 | alkisg, yeah, thats what i would propose
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| 09:03 | * alkisg would prefer copying all gtk20.mo files from the server manually to installing the language packs on the chroot... | |
| 09:03 | <ogra> i assume i will meet stgraber at UDS to discuss it with him
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| 09:03 | no, thats hackish
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| 09:03 | <alkisg> Sure, but it's also 20 Mb less :)
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| 09:03 | <ogra> if its really only for a bunch of buttons we really should use custom made ones
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| 09:04 | and wont need any language üacks at all
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| 09:04 | *packs
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| 09:04 | <ogra> something like ldm should definately ship the translations in the package
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| 09:05 | <cyberorg> cant people who use computers read/live with few buttons/preferences in english?
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| 09:05 | <ogra> they shouldnt need to
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| 09:05 | <alkisg> ogra, but now with localapps the language packs will be needed more..
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| 09:06 | <X-TaZ> alkisg I've done what you said , to activate the xdmcp, but I still can't get a VNC connexion. When i make a netstat -lataupe | grep xdmcp, I get : udp6 0 0 [::]:xdmcp [::]:* root 15520 5072/gdm
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| 09:06 | <ogra> alkisg, well, localapps is a different thing
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| 09:06 | <X-TaZ> So there is no special listening port ?
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| 09:06 | <ogra> alkisg, it means you touch the chroot manually anyway to install packages
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| 09:06 | <ogra> for these you should also install the respective langpacks manually
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| 09:06 | <alkisg> X-TaZ: I've connected with XDMCP locally, but I've never done the vnc <=> xdmcp trick that cyberorg suggested. It sounds cool, though
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| 09:07 | ogra, yeah, you're right on this.
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| 09:07 | <ogra> i find it important that a default *thin* client still works with 64M
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| 09:07 | adding a huge locale cache to the ram doestn help with that
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| 09:08 | <X-TaZ> Whats the netstat command that coult tell me what the port number of xdmcp, instead of giving me the nickname of the port ?
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| 09:08 | <alkisg> Very important!!! I use such clients every day at school, and they work fine, so I don't like people saying that you need 256 minimum RAM for ltsp...
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| 09:09 | <ogra> yeah
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| 09:09 | <alkisg> X-TaZ: grep -i xdmcp /etc/services
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| 09:09 | <X-TaZ> Thank you :)
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| 09:12 | Well cyberorg, the trick you purposed to me don't work. I'm trying to connect with a vnc client to server'sIP:177 without succes. Did I miss sthing ?
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| 09:13 | * ogra wonders where cyberorg said 177 above | |
| 09:14 | <X-TaZ> He said : 1
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| 09:14 | <cyberorg> X-TaZ, see if this helps http://www.novell.com/communities/node/6669/rdp-linux-managing-gui-displays-remotely
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| 09:14 | <X-TaZ> 177 is xdmcp's port. I guess it is on i
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| 09:14 | Ok, i'm loking at it
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| 09:15 | <cyberorg> it's got many possible ways of getting desktop from remote PC
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| 09:16 | <cyberorg> you need to allow remote access to your DM, so when you do vnviewer serverip:1 it opens a DM
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| 09:16 | <ogra> only on hacked up distros :P
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| 09:17 | <cyberorg> ogra, :)
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| 09:17 | <ogra> i think that works on suse because they install an X vncserver by default with gdm
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| 09:20 | <cyberorg> ogra, you are right, it enables vnc server via xinetd when we activate GDM/KDM remote access
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| 09:20 | <ogra> right
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| 09:20 | <X-TaZ> ogra, : do you mean i should install VNC server ?
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| 09:20 | <ogra> i saw our security team rant about it before :)
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| 09:21 | <cyberorg> well on 11.2 they are doing away with vnc, using xrdp ;)
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| 09:21 | <Drakonen> and xrdp is using vnc afaik
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| 09:21 | <X-TaZ> I'm getting lost
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| 09:21 | <Drakonen> i had to install tightvnc to be able to get it working
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| 09:22 | <cyberorg> no, dmx, and in failsafe mode it uses vnc
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| 09:23 | <ogra> X-TaZ, since you are using ubuntu, did you look at the ubuntu documentation for vnc setups already ?
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| 09:23 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC might be a good start
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| 09:24 | <cyberorg> there you are "Connecting to your login screen"
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| 09:25 | <ogra> right
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| 09:25 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC#x11vnc
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| 09:26 | <X-TaZ> 'looking at it. Thanks a lot guys
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| 09:30 | <X-TaZ> I was messing up between LTSP and VNC. Actually there are 2 really diffrent connectiong modes, there aren't linked
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| 09:31 | Thanks a lot all, my work day is finished :) I'll continue it tomorow
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| 09:41 | <_UsUrPeR_> stgraber: blip
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| 09:44 | <Drakonen> cyberorg: im trying the kiwi live cd atm, but it crashes after a while O_o
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| 09:45 | the desktop is still visible, but doesnt respond to input
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| 09:45 | <cyberorg> how much RAM have you got?
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| 09:45 | <Drakonen> 256mb
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| 09:46 | <cyberorg> in a virtual machine?
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| 09:46 | <Drakonen> yes, 412 now
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| 09:46 | <cyberorg> you'd need at least close to 512M to run that, it is a full ltsp server
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| 09:47 | <Drakonen> hm
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| 09:47 | <cyberorg> suse's normal installation sucks on 256M, for live you definitely need 512 ;)
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| 09:50 | <Drakonen> hm, its a lot faster atleast :)
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| 10:01 | aww no tsclient installed :/ but it does have a java ide
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| 10:01 | <cyberorg> Drakonen, what client are you looking for?
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| 10:02 | <Drakonen> tsclient
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| 10:02 | <cyberorg> vnc/rdp?
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| 10:02 | <Drakonen> rdp
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| 10:02 | <cyberorg> run rdesktop ;)
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| 10:02 | <Drakonen> ugh.. im getting retarded :p
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| 10:03 | no clue why i keep on looking for tsclient when im actually looking for rdesktop
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| 10:03 | <cyberorg> using suse for a short while does not do that :P
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| 10:12 | <cyberorg> Drakonen, tsclient added anything else you need?
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| 10:43 | <nicros> cyberorg when i boot off my kiwi image there's a process running 'tail -f /var/log/boot.kiwi'
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| 10:43 | where does that come from?
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| 10:43 | <cyberorg> do you run with kiwidebug=1?
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| 10:44 | <nicros> i don't think so, where is that set?
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| 10:45 | <cyberorg> may be from initrd if using kiwidebug, otherwise not sure where else, try grepping in /usr/share/kiwi -R
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| 10:47 | <nicros> not using kiwidebug
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| 10:49 | <cyberorg> if you still can't find it with grepping, post on kiwi-users mailing list, schaefi is on vacation, will be back on 20th so you may get reply only after that :)
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| 11:08 | <jammcq> good afternoon #ltsp
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| 11:10 | <cyberorg> hi jammcq :)
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| 11:36 | <NeonLicht> hello
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| 12:00 | <TheProf> Good day. I hope everyone is well. I am setting up a software RAID to back up my LTSP server. I've been having a steep learning curve with fdisk, partitioning, mdadm, etc but I *think* I have it. I just wanted to confirm it with people who know better before I rely on it for backing up my system.
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| 12:01 | <TheProf> I've created an array from two identical 400 GB drives and they are showing up under /dev/md0
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| 12:01 | <Lns> Hello LTSPers
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| 12:01 | <TheProf> I ran mkfs.ext3 /dev/md0 and it ran successfully.
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| 12:01 | <TheProf> mdadm -D /dev/md0 shows everything is great and clean.
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| 12:02 | the only question I have is - why does fdisk -l show there is no valid partition table on /dev/md0? and does that matter? thank you
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| 12:03 | <Gadi> TheProf: md0 *is* a partition, which is why it does not have a partition table
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| 12:03 | <TheProf> Gadi: That was my impression to be honest. I just got worried when fdisk gave me that message.
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| 12:04 | <Gadi> TheProf: no worries on that end
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| 12:04 | <TheProf> I am able to mount /dev/md0 no problem and create/delete files.
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| 12:04 | Gadi: Thanks very much!
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| 12:07 | <Gadi> np
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| 12:22 | <CAN-o-SPAM> G
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| 12:22 | Gadi: have lew check his email
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| 12:22 | <Gadi> okey dokey
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| 12:22 | :)
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| 12:22 | but, that's where I draw the line
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| 12:23 | <CAN-o-SPAM> heh
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| 12:24 | <Lns> Gadi: go make me a sammich
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| 12:24 | =p
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| 12:32 | <Lns> hi nubae !
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| 13:29 | <rjune_> Gadi !
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| 14:41 | <Lns> CAN-o-SPAM: hey do you have any info on energy consumption of your TCs?
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| 14:44 | <nubae> I saw a TC lately that did 7w of consumption only... think it was from MSI
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| 14:46 | <Lns> I need some real world operating numbers for the dw clients as I'm trying to prepare a concept proposal for energy efficiency/reduction with thin client computing.. i've seen some stuff out there but not for those clients specifically
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| 14:46 | the more facts i have the easier it'll be to pitch to the big boys :)
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| 14:48 | <nubae> yeah, I'm kinda looking for the same
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| 14:48 | the wyse terminals to 12,7 w
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| 14:49 | I found the one that did 7w, its a FUTURO A2XX by fujitsu siemens
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| 14:50 | <Lns> my 1220pxe shows 30W power supply, though i'm sure it probably doesn't use the full 30W all the time..
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| 14:50 | <nubae> and I have something very detailed about thin client consumption vs normal pc consumption if u are interested
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| 14:50 | <Lns> nubae: you do? Yes, please send it over! :)
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| 14:50 | <nubae> but its in German
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| 14:50 | <Lns> babelfish ftw ;)
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| 14:50 | <nubae> still u can extract the numbers easily enough
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| 14:51 | Thin Client: 220 Tage x 24 h x 7,5 W + 145 Tage x 24 h x 1,4 W = 44,47 kWh
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| 14:51 | Server: 220 Tage x 24 h x 246,6 W + 145 Tage x 24 h x 214,9 W = 2 049,90 kWh
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| 14:51 | Server + Klimatisierung: 2 x 2 049,90 kWh = 4 099,80 kWh
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| 14:51 | Thin Client + Server-Anteil: 44,47 kWh + 4 099,80 kWh / 35 = 161,61 kWh
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| 14:51 | something like that is what u are looking for?
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| 14:52 | <Lns> definitely. Thanks!! I just need to learn how to decipher all of that. ;) I'm not an energy expert (yet)
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| 14:52 | <nubae> klimatisierung = climatisation
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| 14:52 | well, its just talking about wattage... so find out how much u pay per watt and u should be good to go
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| 14:53 | <Lns> yeah, kw/h
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| 14:53 | <nubae> so those calculations are for a year
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| 14:53 | <Lns> running 24/7 basically, too
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| 14:53 | <nubae> u want the normal pc figures too?
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| 14:53 | <Lns> sure
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| 14:54 | <nubae> I'll just send u the pdf
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| 14:54 | wahts u're email
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| 14:54 | <Lns> that'd be great, thanks =)
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| 14:54 | <alkisg> nubae, could you send it to me too? alkisg at gmail... :)
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| 14:55 | <CAN-o-SPAM> Lns: The 1220 pulls 8 - 11W (11W peak, 8W normal operating, but it varies)
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| 14:55 | <Lns> CAN-o-SPAM: awesome!
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| 14:55 | <CAN-o-SPAM> Lns: The 1520 pulls 18 - 20W (20W peak, 18W normal operating, still varies, but much less)
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| 14:56 | <Lns> CAN-o-SPAM: wow, the atom client uses MORE?
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| 14:57 | I guess it has much more performance-related h/w though (dvi, gfx, 6xusb)
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| 14:57 | makes sense
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| 14:57 | <CAN-o-SPAM> exactly
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| 14:57 | <Lns> those are great numbers though
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| 14:57 | I'm partnering with an energy efficiency company and we're hoping to make some real waves with this info :)
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| 14:58 | to benefit all!
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| 14:58 | <nubae> wahts the difference between 1220 and 1520?
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| 14:59 | Lns: u're email?
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| 14:59 | <Lns> lol nubae i PM'd you.. ;)
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| 14:59 | <nubae> oh... hmmm didnt get it
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| 14:59 | <Lns> weird
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| 14:59 | did you get that one?
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| 15:00 | <Lns> whatever, nobody's a spammer here i hope =p jerickson at logicalnetworking dot net
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| 15:00 | <Nubae> try again, think its cause I wasn't under my real nick
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| 15:00 | ok
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| 15:00 | <Lns> thx =)
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| 15:01 | <Nubae> yeah, it would be nice to have a real pro TOC doc
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| 15:02 | <Lns> CAN-o-SPAM: :/
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| 15:02 | <Nubae> so according to that doc I just sent u... over 5 years, u'd use 54% less CO2 emissions
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| 15:02 | with thin clients
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| 15:03 | <Lns> Nubae: I think between all of us here we could have a pretty solid reference that many could use
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| 15:05 | <Nubae> the doc has some nice comparisons on how in 5 years, if u used thin clients instead of normal pcs, it would be like going round the world 27 times with a VW (co2 emissions saved)
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| 15:05 | <Lns> Crazy Germans and your VW references =p
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| 15:06 | <Nubae> what would be nice is to build an energy sparer script, something that switches off tcs automatically when not in use for 1 hour, etc
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| 15:07 | that was one of the biggest issues we had at the school I worked at... pcs were not turned off at night, cause its a pain to go and turn off 100 pcs
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| 15:07 | <Lns> Nubae: there's a windows equiv. in use at the district i'm working for called pheronics or something similar.. though the staff likes the idea of a time-schedule poweroff instead (ala my wiki pages)
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| 15:07 | <Nubae> yeah exactly
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| 15:08 | <Lns> I'm hoping to contract out a couple of really good LTSPers soon to package the energy saving stuff I engineered so it's not so cumbersome to set up and control
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| 15:08 | <Nubae> anyway, in these recessive times, TCs are definetly sexy
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| 15:08 | <Lns> exactly. We've got a really big window of opportunity here
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| 15:09 | to make a big splash with ltsp
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| 15:09 | <Nubae> yep... although I wonder what the world figures are now for TCs... must be quit a big number in the millions
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| 15:09 | <Lns> i know FedEx uses them a lot at their facilities
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| 15:10 | iirc they're a big citrix shop
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| 15:10 | <Nubae> when wireless LTSP is really doable, that will help a lot too
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| 15:11 | precisely in the case of specialised businesses like fedex, restaurants, etc
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| 15:12 | Lns: btw... have u checked out the latest Suse LTSP... its really nice
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| 15:13 | I wrote an article reviewing it here: www.nubae.com
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| 15:19 | <Lns> Nubae: nice!
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| 15:19 | very descriptive
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| 15:20 | hrm, easy-ltsp seems SuSE dependent, eh?
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| 15:23 | <Nubae> yep... lots of specific stuff to suse... but to be honest... it really just works
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| 15:23 | * Lns wonders if parts of it could be taken to produce a more generalized ltsp setup facility | |
| 15:24 | <Nubae> as easy as ubuntu, and the edu packages included are pretty all encompasing
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| 15:24 | also, nice to mess around with nomad (xrdp) and AOE
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| 15:28 | <Lns> Is anyone working on an Ubuntu LTSP configuration util at all?
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| 15:29 | As in, post-install configuration/maintenance
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| 15:31 | <Nubae> In the last couple of days I've seen 6 different ltsp configurators :-)
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| 15:32 | non of which are any good, I dont know why everyone wants to make their own
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| 15:36 | <Lns> Nubae: can you site them? I haven't heard of any besides easy-ltsp
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| 15:37 | <Nubae> hmmm check the logs
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| 15:37 | I new logging the channel would eventually be useful ;-)
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| 15:38 | yesterday precisely we were talking about 2 of them
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| 15:38 | python based
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| 15:51 | <Lns> hrm. Sounds like BugsBunnyBR was starting a project I wanted to start too ;)
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| 15:56 | http://github.com/BugsBunnyBR/web-ltsp/tree/master
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| 23:43 | <cyberorg> nubae, easy-ltsp will work on any distro, kiwi specific part is just a module, added during compile time, ./configure --with-kiwi
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