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| 08:52 | <adimetrius> i have a terminal with celeron j1900, video is intel hd graphics, but seems that the loaded driver is vesa
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| 08:52 | i want to try intel driver, how do i do that?
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| 08:55 | <alkisg> adimetrius: distro/version?
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| 08:55 | <adimetrius> ubuntu 12.04
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| 08:55 | <alkisg> Which kernel in the chroot? ls /opt/ltsp/i386/boot/vmlinuz*
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| 08:56 | <adimetrius> /opt/ltsp/i386/boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-24-generic
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| 08:56 | /opt/ltsp/i386/boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-34-generic
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| 08:56 | /opt/ltsp/i386/boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-36-generic
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| 08:57 | <alkisg> It's an old kernel that doesn't know about the new intel chipsets
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| 08:57 | Install the newer hardware enablement stack in the chroot
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| 08:57 | sudo ltsp-chroot apt-get install --purge linux-hwe-generic xserver-xorg-lts-trusty xorg
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| 09:01 | <adimetrius> conflicts with libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-glx libglapi-mesa
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| 09:01 | <alkisg> run apt-get update as well
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| 09:04 | <adimetrius> i did
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| 09:05 | conflicts: libgl1-mesa-dri (>= 0~)
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| 09:05 | same thing in parenthesis for each of 3 packages
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| 09:06 | <alkisg> adimetrius: I can have a look via vnc if you like, otherwise try asking in #ubuntu-x, it should certainly be possible to install that kernel in 12.04, it's included in the 12.04.5 cd
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| 09:06 | !vnc-dide
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| 09:06 | <ltsp> vnc-dide: To share your screen with me, run this: sudo apt-get --yes install x11vnc; x11vnc -connect srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr - this is a reverse connection, it doesn't need port forwarding etc.
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| 09:07 | <alkisg> Maybe you've manually installed broken packages for mesa etc
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| 09:08 | <adimetrius> i have 12.04.5 on the server, not sure .5 is in the ltspchroot
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| 09:09 | <alkisg> Right, you should be able to put it there, if not it's a local issue
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| 09:09 | !ltsp-pnp
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| 09:09 | <ltsp> ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 09:09 | <alkisg> This method ^ makes things much simpler :)
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| 09:11 | <adimetrius> from briefly looking at the page, it's significant transition time, right?
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| 09:11 | <alkisg> Yes, it's for new installations
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| 09:12 | <adimetrius> so i can't have them in parallel?
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| 09:16 | <alkisg> You can. The problem is that your 12.04 has a very old ltsp version and a few changes are needed in some configuration files
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| 09:17 | <alkisg> adimetrius: enter the password...
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| 09:19 | <alkisg> adimetrius: you probably had very old packages, that's why you couldn't install them
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| 09:19 | After upgading them, let's see what happens
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| 09:19 | But you also have the older kernel in your server as well
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| 09:19 | <alkisg> I.e. 3.2 instead of the most recent 3.13
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| 09:23 | <adimetrius> when smth works, i don't usually upgrade :) cause every upgrade breaks something that works, that's why i got 3yrs old stuff
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| 09:25 | <alkisg> OK, but now you did have something broken so it was time to upgrade
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| 09:26 | <adimetrius> i upgraded hardware :-)
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| 09:26 | 1 of 3 conflicts gone, mesa-glx and mesa still conflicting (>_0~)
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| 09:33 | <alkisg> adimetrius: I tried updating only the kernel
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| 09:33 | If it works, ok, otherwise we'll also update the xorg
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| 09:33 | I'll check why it's broken...
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| 09:34 | Ah maybe it's a broken apt option in your chroot
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| 09:36 | <alkisg> adimetrius: write here
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| 09:36 | <adimetrius> irc is on client, i will reboot and re-irc from server
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| 09:37 | <alkisg> OK
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| 09:41 | <muppis> !raspberrypi
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| 09:41 | <ltsp> raspberrypi: (#1) Ubuntu/LTSP on Pi 2: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/RaspberryPi, or (#2) Debian/LTSP (with raspbian chroot) on Pi: http://cascadia.debian.net/trenza/Documentation/raspberrypi-ltsp-howto/, or (#3) unofficial Ubuntu/LTSP (with raspbian chroot) on Pi: http://pinet.org.uk/
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| 09:41 | <adimetrius> the client booted, video is corrupt
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| 09:41 | xrandr only gives 1 mode 1440*900 and it doesn't work
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| 09:43 | <adimetrius> other clients boot as usual
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| 09:50 | <adimetrius> So, now i've done: sudo ltsp-chroot apt-get install --purge linux-hwe-generic xserver-xorg-lts-trusty xorg
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| 09:51 | all worked fine, but video is corrupt: only half screen, and colors magically perverted
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| 09:51 | <alkisg> adimetrius: you also need to run ltsp-update-image after that
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| 09:56 | <adimetrius> now it doesn't even get to the password prompt, freezez on the pre-logo
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| 10:06 | <alkisg> adimetrius: is it ok now?
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| 10:08 | <adimetrius> no, i ran out of space on / and dhcp doesnt work now for any clients :-(
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| 10:20 | <adimetrius> out of luck... now other clients freeze at the same stage
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| 10:22 | <alkisg> If you ran out of space while running ltsp-update-image, you need to run it again
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| 10:37 | <adimetrius> i redid update-image, same result: frozen
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| 10:37 | maybe i should upgrade to 14.04 on server and ltsp-pnp
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| 10:38 | <alkisg> That kernel and xorg should be enough to boot the newer clients
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| 10:38 | <adimetrius> i am concerned it may not work on older hardware :(
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| 12:37 | <adimetrius> does ltsp-pnp work in Ubuntu 15.10?
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| 15:28 | <muppis> Hmph. Can't get clock in rpi to correct time.
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| 15:38 | <alkisg> muppis: if it's a thin client, does it see the timeserver, or do you need to do nat on the ltsp server?
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| 15:44 | <muppis> Ltsp server runs ntpd and it doesn't even against that.
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| 15:45 | <alkisg> Do you have TIMESERVER=server in lts.conf?
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| 15:49 | <muppis> Nope.
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| 15:50 | <alkisg> Then it's not trying to sync against the ltsp server
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| 15:50 | <muppis> Runned ntpd in debug mode and it logs communication with client. Client still says no.
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| 15:52 | Oh.. Didn't notice that it loads i386/lts.conf, which has timeserver set.
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| 15:53 | Bummer and I'm hungry.
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| 15:56 | <alkisg> The client starts from the epoch, 1970, make sure that you don't have any options against synchronizing against such large differences
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| 15:56 | And also it might take a minute to show up in ldm
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| 15:57 | Get a shell on the client and try `ntpdate server`, then check if it's successful
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| 15:57 | <muppis> That's what I've been doing and it still says no. :D
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| 15:58 | (Reference: Little Britain: Computer says no)
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| 15:59 | On x86 clients it works fine.
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| 16:01 | <alkisg> muppis: ntpdate -b server
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| 16:01 | Does that work?
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| 16:01 | And also -v (verbose) on the client will help
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| 16:04 | <muppis> hmm... With -d it shows that it receives correct time and shows correct offset, but it doesn't set the date.
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| 16:05 | <alkisg> that's what -d does, why did you ran -d?
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| 16:05 | try -b
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| 16:05 | ntpdate -v -b server
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| 16:06 | <muppis> -d is for debug. Shows lot more than -v
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| 16:06 | <alkisg> -d means "don't set the date" though
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| 16:07 | <muppis> Well, -v -b didn't give any better results. :D
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| 16:07 | <alkisg> no error and not setting the date? hmm...
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| 16:08 | In my rpi2 tests, the date was set 1 minute after ldm showed up
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| 16:09 | <muppis> No server suitable for synchronization found.
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| 16:09 | <alkisg> And you did put "server" as the parameter....
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| 16:09 | How about ntpdate -v -b ntp.ubuntu.com ?
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| 16:09 | <muppis> Same result.
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| 16:10 | <alkisg> try to set the date to yesterday before running ntpdate
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| 16:10 | To see if it's the big time difference that's causing it
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| 16:10 | <muppis> Didn't help. Tried when set it to today.
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| 16:11 | <alkisg> can you ping ntp.ubuntu.com ?
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| 16:12 | <muppis> Yes.
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| 16:13 | Which release you're using? That one is 14.04.
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| 16:13 | <alkisg> I think I tried with 14.04 and 15.10
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| 16:13 | Did you use my wiki page, or e.g. some raspbian chroot?
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| 16:15 | <muppis> Your wiki.
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| 16:16 | <alkisg> OK so we used the same 4.2 kernel and the same distro/version
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| 16:23 | <muppis> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13578387/
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| 16:23 | <alkisg> muppis: don't forget -b
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| 16:23 | the step is too large to do it without it
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| 16:23 | so try -b -d
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| 16:24 | Or put today's date before trying without -b
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| 16:24 | (or better yet, this hour, not this date, something small that it can sync from, if you'll use -b)
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| 16:24 | *you won't use -b
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| 16:25 | <muppis> No effect.
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| 16:25 | <alkisg> did it again say this? 192.168.0.1: Server dropped: strata too high
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| 16:25 | <muppis> Jep.
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| 16:26 | <alkisg> Try setting the date to the minute first
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| 16:28 | <muppis> Given offset is 47.857372, but still says same.
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| 16:29 | This is just too strange.
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| 16:34 | <muppis> I'm off for food now. I'll look again tomorrow.
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| 17:15 | <bennabiy> alkisg, do you know where the settings are in mate for what goes on the menu bar?
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| 17:17 | <alkisg> bennabiy: run `dconf watch /`, change whatever you want, check which gsetting changes
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| 17:18 | <bennabiy> alkisg: thanks
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| 17:20 | where are those gsettings stored?
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| 17:27 | <alkisg> bennabiy: I think those questions are mostly suited for #mate-desktop... the user settings are in the user's dconf database, and the system settings are shipped by the packages in /usr/share/glib/schemas etc
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| 17:27 | <bennabiy> alkisg: thank you
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| 17:27 | sorry to bother you
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| 17:27 | <alkisg> np
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| 17:27 | I think it's just outside the scope of this channel
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| 17:28 | <bennabiy> yes
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| 17:28 | you are right
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| 20:12 | <alkisg> vagrantc: we are preparing for a 0.5.9 epoptes release, we don't have anything else to commit, we only have a bit of testing left
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| 20:12 | Would you like to do some testing as well? Should I commit the changelog etc?
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| 20:12 | (actually there are enough changes to make it a 0.6.0 release afaik)
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| 20:32 | <vagrantc> alkisg: go ahead and commit ... we can always do another point release if needed
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| 20:32 | * vagrantc might not have a lot of time for testing today | |
| 21:15 | * alkisg was thinking of a full week as the test period.. | |
| 21:16 | <alkisg> Writing the respawn trap was fun... epoptes => runs socat => connects to server => runs sh => server sends client-functions as stdin => defines trap => on kill, it re-runs epoptes!
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| 21:16 | Hopefully there will be no regressions there
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| 21:19 | In other news, it looks like the gnome-keyring issue will finally get solved, I found its developer on IRC and I set up a VM for him to troubleshoot the issue
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| 21:20 | We also found a better workaround in case he doesn't manage to solve it in code, to pass disable_hardlinks in sshfs, instead of doing chmod -x gnome-keyring-daemon
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