IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 15 November 2011 (all times are UTC)
| 00:01 | <Hyperbyte> quietone, LTSP uses SSH for authentication. Try to SSH to user@server from SCREEN_02, see if it spits out some error or warning about keys.
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| 00:01 | !screen_02
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| 00:01 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: screen_02: to get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using%20a%20shell%20SCREEN
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| 00:01 | <quietone> I found that by copying .gconf from the working user to a new, non working user, the new one would start working.
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| 00:01 | <Hyperbyte> Also see
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| 00:01 | !ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 00:01 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: ltsp-update-sshkeys: If you changed your server IP, you need to run ltsp-update-sshkeys, and if you're using NBD (Ubuntu) you also need ltsp-update-image afterwards
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| 00:01 | <Hyperbyte> Hrm
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| 00:02 | Also, check permissions on home dirs.
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| 00:02 | If they're writable by the users.
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| 00:02 | Happy debugging. :-)
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| 00:02 | I'm off to dreamland. G'night.
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| 01:24 | <Gadi> !disable-compiz|echo quietone
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| 01:24 | <ltsp> quietone disable-compiz: To disable compiz for all users, run: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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| 01:36 | <quietone> Gadi, that was it. Thank you very much!
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| 02:12 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 02:18 | <cliebow> SCOTTie!!!!
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| 02:23 | <sbalneav> Hey cliebow!!!
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| 02:24 | <cliebow> enjoying the evening!! never saw "terminator1 before"
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| 02:26 | <sbalneav> heh, the original
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| 02:36 | <cliebow> 8~)
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| 06:29 | <alkisg> libpam-nufw: "...NuFW uses a strict security model and can apply different access rules to users connected on the same host, for example."
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| 06:29 | * alkisg wonders if that would be a better way to block internet to certain students, than then squid/identd combination | |
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| 09:28 | <Hyperbyte> Gadi: like a boss!
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| 11:41 | <andygraybeal> good moornrnningingging
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| 11:51 | <lifeboy> alkisg: Do you have moment to continue where we left off on Sunday? I have put the results in http://pastebin.com/gcFCgjzG
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| 11:52 | I have also compiled the kernel again with no changes but to add r6040 to the kernel
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| 11:53 | <alkisg> Can't you just compile the module and load it as a module?
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| 11:53 | It would be much saner than having to editing configuration files etc
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| 11:53 | You'd then use a stock chroot, plus your module
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| 11:54 | <lifeboy> I suppose I could, I just had the impression I needed more than r6040 alone
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| 11:54 | <alkisg> Like what?
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| 11:55 | <lifeboy> At least that's what the manufacturer led me to believe
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| 11:55 | r6040 ethernet, rdc video driver and their audio, no cmov support
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| 11:56 | <alkisg> If you need more, then ok
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| 11:56 | So you just edited those options in the kernel configuration, and compiled the kernel, and that's all?
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| 11:56 | <lifeboy> But it does seem that the display may work with standard vesa as well
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| 11:56 | Yes
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| 11:57 | and I added the letter gts to identify the kernel
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| 11:57 | letters...
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| 11:57 | <alkisg> (initramfs) mount -o loop /dev/nbd0 /mnt
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| 11:57 | mount: mounting /dev/nbd0 on /mnt failed: No such file or directory
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| 11:57 | Before issuing those, do a "mkdir /mnt"
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| 11:58 | <lifeboy> ah, then it's happy with the command
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| 11:58 | <alkisg> And after that, ls /mnt
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| 11:58 | Do you see the contents of your chroot there?
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| 11:58 | <lifeboy> yes
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| 11:58 | <alkisg> You've actually tried that?
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| 11:58 | <lifeboy> yes :-)
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| 11:58 | <alkisg> You didn't have problems with the broadcast address? inet addr:172.16.0.24 Bcast:0.0.0.0 Mask:255.255.255.0
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| 11:58 | ...which is zero?
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| 11:59 | <lifeboy> not that I've seen anything that complains about it.
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| 11:59 | <alkisg> OK
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| 11:59 | Do that again, with break=mount
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| 12:00 | Go to the initramfs prompt
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| 12:00 | Don't run anything there
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| 12:00 | Just ping me so that we run the nbd/aufs commands one by one
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| 12:00 | <lifeboy> I currently have "break-mount" in
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| 12:01 | alkisg: ok, I'm at the initramfs prompt after rebooting
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| 12:02 | What do you mean by "just ping me"? I'm am irc noob
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| 12:02 | <alkisg> ping == write my name
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| 12:02 | OK gimme 1 minute...
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| 12:03 | <lifeboy> alkisg: ok, like this?
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| 12:03 | <alkisg> Yeah :)
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| 12:03 | nbd-client 172.16.0.1 2000 /dev/nbd0
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| 12:03 | mkdir -p /cow
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| 12:03 | mkdir -p /rofs
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| 12:03 | (if you see any errors or warnings, write them here)
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| 12:03 | mount -t tmpfs -o mode=0755 tmpfs /cow
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| 12:04 | <lifeboy> after nbd-client / nbd0: unknown partition table
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| 12:04 | <alkisg> Ignore that, it's ok
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| 12:04 | mount -o ro -t squashfs /dev/nbd0 /rofs
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| 12:04 | mount -t aufs -o dirs=/cow=rw:/rofs=ro aufs ${rootmnt}
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| 12:05 | Oops sorry
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| 12:05 | before the last one:
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| 12:05 | rootmnt=/root
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| 12:05 | mkdir -p ${rootmnt}/cow
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| 12:05 | mount -o bind /cow ${rootmnt}/cow
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| 12:05 | mkdir -p ${rootmnt}/rofs
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| 12:05 | mount -o move /rofs ${rootmnt}/rofs
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| 12:05 | After all those, the root file system is ready to go
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| 12:06 | So you should probably see an aufs error before that, based on what you said
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| 12:10 | <lifeboy> mount -t aufs gives error "mount: mounting aufs on /root failed: No such device"
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| 12:12 | alkisg: rootmnt=/root comes before the "mount -t aufs ...", right?
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| 12:12 | <alkisg> yes
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| 12:13 | <lifeboy> hmmm, but there is no /root at the time
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| 12:14 | ok, sorry, there is
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| 12:14 | busybox just shows nothing if there are no files in it, of course
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| 12:14 | for "ls /root" that is
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| 12:15 | alkisg: Should I continue with the commands after the error?
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| 12:15 | <alkisg> No, the error is your problem
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| 12:15 | I.e. no aufs support?
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| 12:16 | <lifeboy> yes
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| 12:16 | <alkisg> So, your goal now is to put aufs support in your kernel
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| 12:16 | <lifeboy> is it known by another name maybe in Ubuntu?
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| 12:17 | <alkisg> find / -name aufs*
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| 12:17 | Or find /lib -name aufs*
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| 12:17 | No, it's known as "aufs.ko"
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| 12:18 | You should have a module in /lib named aufs.ko, and you should also have a /sys/fs/aufs dir
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| 12:18 | <lifeboy> Maybe the problem is my .config file since it doesn't have aufs as an option, but the sources have it
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| 12:20 | <alkisg> Btw lifeboy do you need specific kernel sources?
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| 12:20 | Or you can use the exact source as your stock ubuntu version?
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| 12:20 | <lifeboy> I used the /opt/ltsp/i386/boot/config-2.6.32-34-generic as my .config file.
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| 12:20 | <alkisg> If so, you could just copy aufs.ko from a regular chroot, no?
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| 12:21 | <lifeboy> I'm using standard ubuntu 10.04 sources
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| 12:21 | yes, I could I would think
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| 12:21 | <alkisg> So then just copy aufs.ko from ubuntu, and put it to your initramfs
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| 12:21 | <lifeboy> I've got aufs.ko in the chroot
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| 12:21 | <alkisg> Do you have it in the initramfs?
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| 12:21 | (02:17:08 μμ) alkisg: Or find /lib -name aufs*
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| 12:22 | (from your <initramfs> prompt)
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| 12:23 | <lifeboy> but it's not in my built initramfs, but it's in the stock version's lib dir
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| 12:23 | <alkisg> Copy it on your server's /var/lib/tftpboot dir
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| 12:24 | Then reboot the client, again with break=mount
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| 12:24 | We'll try to get it via tftp to see if that solves your problem
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| 12:24 | Or just regenerate your initramfs, whatever's easiest for you
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| 12:24 | <lifeboy> yes, will do... gimme 10 to just grab lunch, otherwise it'll be cold soon ;-)
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| 12:27 | * lifeboy is away: will be back in 10 - 20 minutes | |
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| 12:42 | <Matrix3000-Home> good morning everyone
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| 12:50 | <andygraybeal> heyaaa m3k
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| 12:52 | * lifeboy is back | |
| 12:53 | <lifeboy> duh, how to I undo my "away" status? /away complains that I should add a reason
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| 12:57 | * lifeboy wants to know how to undo his "away" status? /away complains that he should add a reason | |
| 12:58 | <lifeboy> hmm, it seems just saying something brings me back. Is that correct?
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| 12:59 | But there's lag in effectively being back...
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| 13:16 | * Matrix3000 is hungry | |
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| 13:28 | <andygraybeal> matrix3000, bro, i just got me a plate of roasted butternut squash, braised collard greens, two sunny-side eggs, raw monterey jack cheese with a chile blend, diced onions, and to top it off - it comes with strawberry fatale chili salsa :)
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| 13:29 | it's like breakfest and a wake up kick in the face all at once.
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| 13:30 | it makes me snot and cry every time i eat it, which is every day i come in to work :)
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| 13:30 | <lifeboy> :-) Reading the /HELP stuff... /BACK is pretty logical I suppose
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| 13:38 | <andygraybeal> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatalii
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| 13:48 | <Matrix3000> andygraybeal, that looks like my kind of hot sause
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| 13:48 | sauce*
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| 13:49 | <andygraybeal> well, it's not exactly what i had, but yea - the chili is what counts :)
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| 13:49 | it's hot :)
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| 14:02 | <andygraybeal> heya khildin
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| 15:10 | <Matrix3000> its a quiet day in her
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| 15:14 | <sbalneav> Morning all.
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| 15:16 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 15:25 | <sbalneav> hey jammcq
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| 15:25 | <Matrix3000> Morning
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| 15:25 | im working on ldap management
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| 15:25 | think i need to create a ldif to import to ldap
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| 15:25 | for ltsp
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| 15:25 | so i can restrict accounts access
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| 15:26 | <sbalneav> LTSP had a schema, and there's also an OID that's been assigned to LTSP
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| 15:26 | Are you talking about ldapifying the lts.conf file? or something else?
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| 15:27 | <Matrix3000> yes
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| 15:28 | ldapifying the lts.conf, and settings schema management in fusiondirectory
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| 15:28 | it's a current project
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| 15:28 | over there
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| 15:28 | <sbalneav> Have you seen the original ldap schema?
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| 15:28 | <jammcq> 9888
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| 15:29 | that's our enterprise number from IANA
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| 15:29 | <Matrix3000> oh really
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| 15:29 | link?
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| 15:30 | <jammcq> http://www.iana.org/assignments/enterprise-numbers
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| 15:30 | we applied for that about 10 years ago
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| 15:30 | <sbalneav> iirc, skolelinux used to have an LDAP schema for ltsp
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| 15:31 | bbiab, work
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| 15:40 | <Matrix3000> ok, ill take a look at it
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| 15:40 | <Matrix3000> do you have the ldif for me to look at
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| 15:40 | for download anywhere?
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| 15:44 | <sbalneav> Matrix3000: I'll try to find it this evening. I think I have it at home somewhere
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| 15:49 | <jammcq> bengoa: bom dia
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| 15:49 | or rather, boa tarde
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| 15:49 | <bengoa> jammcq: boa tarde :)
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| 15:49 | here I'm, enjoying the holiday
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| 15:50 | <jammcq> how was the bbq ?
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| 15:50 | <bengoa> was fantastic. The guys stays there up to mid-night
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| 15:52 | we save a bone for you
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| 15:52 | <jammcq> :)
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| 15:52 | and one for scotty
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| 15:52 | <bengoa> sure
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| 15:54 | where is sbalneav?
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| 15:54 | <jammcq> here's here in the channel somewhere
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| 15:54 | !seen sbalneav
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| 15:54 | <ltsp> jammcq: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 10 minutes and 34 seconds ago: <sbalneav> Matrix3000: I'll try to find it this evening. I think I have it at home somewhere
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| 15:54 | <bengoa> hahahaha
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| 15:54 | awesome :)
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| 15:55 | He's probably running to get his bone :)
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| 16:08 | <sbalneav> hey ho
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| 16:08 | <bengoa> let's go
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| 16:09 | <sbalneav> Eurgh. So last night I figured out the recursion problem with the nss_sshsock library
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| 16:10 | Basically, if you put sshsock before compat, and do an nss query, the machine starts forking off an infinite number of lookups.
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| 16:10 | So, I'm using popen() to run the ssh command
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| 16:16 | and popen spawns a shell, which inherets the environment variables that cause it to poke the nss library again.
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| 16:16 | <sbalneav> so I have to re-implement popen() but use execve() and clean the environment so that those two env variables aren't there :)
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| 16:16 | *sigh* it's always something.
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| 16:17 | fortunately, however, it's fairly easy to fix.
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| 16:23 | <jammcq> can't you just use popen, and prepend your ssh command with: env BADVAR="" OTHERBADVAR="" ssh ....
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| 16:39 | <Matrix3000> nice
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| 16:54 | <sbalneav> jammcq: Might work.
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| 16:54 | worth a try anyway
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| 17:09 | <vagrantc> hot diggity. libnss-sshsock made it into debian unstable!
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| 17:12 | <Matrix3000> what is libnss-sshsock?
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| 17:12 | <Matrix3000> ssh auth?
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| 17:13 | <vagrantc> it's part of our master plans for the future of LTSP
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| 17:14 | there's libpam-sshauth and libnss-sshsock ... they're used to authenticate and get user/group info over ssh
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| 17:17 | <Matrix3000> ah ok, this has no affect then on ldap authentication correct
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| 17:18 | <sbalneav> Matrix3000: They're a pam module and nss module that allow remote machines to authenticate via ssh'ing into a remote machine, and then obtaining nss information over an ssh socket
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| 17:18 | <vagrantc> Matrix3000: it's a hopefully simpler alternative to ldap auth
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| 17:20 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: I think I figured out what the recursion problem is. I'll do some work on it today.
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| 17:20 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: be sure to increment the version ... 0.1 is in the wild :)
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| 17:22 | <sbalneav> yeah, if this fixes it, I'll bump to 0.2
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| 18:00 | <bengoa> sbalneav: if you and vagrantc needs any helps please lemme know. Maybe I could help
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| 18:27 | <pingufan> Hello. Please, if someone knows ... I would like to use automatic logins, but the login screen shall pause for ~20 seconds to give the user the possibility to choose shutdown the client.
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| 18:27 | Is this possible?
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| 18:27 | During my googleing in last days I saw an option for that, but I cannot remember where.
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| 18:28 | <mgariepy> pingufan, you can use guest login instead
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| 18:28 | <pingufan> What is that?
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| 18:29 | <mgariepy> about the same as autologin but instead of login automaticly it show up a button in LDM for guest login
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| 18:29 | <pingufan> And can the client then login as a regular user?
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| 18:29 | <mgariepy> yes
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| 18:30 | <mgariepy> or use the guest login button
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| 18:30 | <pingufan> And can the client enter any username/password then/still ?
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| 18:31 | <mgariepy> yes the user can enter username and password or click on the guestlogin button
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| 18:31 | <pingufan> This is what I do not want, as this allows that multiple clients can then login with same name. Not very good for KDE
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| 18:32 | When the user can only click on login or shutdown client, it is what I am actually looking for.
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| 18:32 | And username/password is predefined.
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| 18:33 | Another option would be to do a local shutdown when clicking an icon on KDE
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| 18:33 | But KDE is coming from the server.
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| 18:34 | Or how do i correctly shutdown the client when autologin is enabled?
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| 18:35 | I assume that a long press on power button is not the right way.
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| 18:45 | <Matrix3000> sbalneav: oh ok, thank you
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| 18:45 | vagrantc: thank you for explaining it
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| 19:14 | <sbalneav> Launchpad having problems?
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| 19:14 | Can't seem to pull
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| 19:17 | <sbalneav> Ah, works now.
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| 19:17 | launchpad was napping
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| 19:20 | jammcq: ping
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| 19:20 | Nicely done sir.
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| 20:05 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: ping
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| 20:05 | Or, for the rest of the channel...
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| 20:05 | What's the best way to handle this?
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| 20:06 | * vagrantc awaits | |
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| 20:09 | <sbalneav> I want to have a changelog
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| 20:10 | And ideally, what I want to do is just "bzr log > ChangeLog"
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| 20:10 | But, of course, if I do that...
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| 20:10 | I generate ANOTHER change I have to commit.
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| 20:11 | * alkisg likes the idea of having a separate commit for each published version, where the only things that change are the version number in the sources + the changelog itself | |
| 20:12 | <vagrantc> that's not too bad
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| 20:12 | what alkisg said
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| 20:13 | <alkisg> And I guess that can be scripted to do the bzr log > changelog bit
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| 20:13 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: the other thing, with the advent of dpkg source format 3.0, maintaining the debian dir upstream isn't as annoying as it used to be.
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| 20:14 | unless we start having different upstreams...
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| 20:15 | er, different downstreams (i.e. debian and ubuntu's debian dirs diverge)
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| 20:15 | then it becomes a headache
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| 20:16 | * alkisg reads about `bzr tag`... | |
| 20:17 | <vagrantc> i could just maintain a debian branch that ships all the debian dir stuff, and just merges the upstream branch when i start packaging a new upstream version for debian.
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| 20:17 | sbalneav: we could use the mkdst approach, but not run all the autofoo.
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| 20:18 | <sbalneav> I'm trying to do what alkis wants, but I'm having the old chicken and egg problem
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| 20:19 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: well, if you generate the log, all it would miss is the "committing version foo" commit.
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| 20:19 | <sbalneav> right
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| 20:20 | It just annoys my delicate sensibilities :)
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| 20:20 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 20:20 | <sbalneav> hold on, 0.2 will be out shortly.
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| 20:20 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 20:22 | <alkisg> sbalneav: `my-release msg`: bzr commit -m $msg; log --gnu-changelog > Changelog; bzr uncommit; bzr commit -m $msg
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| 20:22 | :P
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| 20:22 | <vagrantc> oh evil.
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| 20:23 | <alkisg> OK the last changelog entry can be created from the script, not from bzr log :D
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| 20:26 | <sbalneav> ok, 0.2 out
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| 20:26 | rev 24
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| 20:26 | <Matrix3000> 0.2 of what?
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| 20:27 | <sbalneav> AND: vagrantc check for me; it shouldn't matter now where you put the sshsock on the nss line.
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| 20:27 | Matrix3000: nss_sshsock
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| 20:27 | <Matrix3000> oh ha
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| 20:27 | did you find the ltsp ldap schema?
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| 20:27 | <sbalneav> I figured out what the problem actually was last night, and was going to fix it, and jammcq suggested a simpler fix
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| 20:28 | <Matrix3000> nice sweet
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| 20:28 | <sbalneav> Matrix3000: I'm still at work, I'll look for it tonight when I get home.
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| 20:28 | <Matrix3000> wish i could help at that part
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| 20:30 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: will see if i can carve out some time to confirm ... might not be till the weekend
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| 20:31 | <sbalneav> That's fine.
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| 20:31 | It works for me here now
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| 20:31 | <vagrantc> i've got a few minor packaging changes i should do as well.
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| 20:32 | <sbalneav> If there should be something "upstream" that would make packaging easier, let me know.
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| 20:33 | This is the first time I've ever dealt with libtool for autoconf stuff, so I'm not 100% sure if I've got it right.
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| 20:34 | <vagrantc> seems mostly right... i only had to make a few minor tweaks
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| 20:34 | and i'm not sure they're your fault ... more libtools bugs
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| 20:37 | <sbalneav> The fact that libtool copies a bunch of m4 macros into your source directory seems perverse.
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| 20:38 | <vagrantc> i think it uses symlinks, but it's annoying... dh-autoreconf works around the limitations of that, thankfully.
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| 20:38 | <sbalneav> I mean, I can see having the option there if you're doing something really bizarre that you need to tweak the systems ones. But by default, I'd like to think it could just point to the system ones.
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| 20:39 | I'm not sure what the intention is: if you do a "make dist" you have to essentially ditribute those macros. It's wierd
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| 20:44 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte suggested that we shouldn't use school-related names in epoptes. What should we use instead of "classrooms"? "Labs"? "Groups"?
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| 20:44 | Related screenshots, I'm talking about the left pane: http://italc.sourceforge.net/screenshots/italc-1.0.0_2.jpg http://www.epoptes.org/_/rsrc/1318626861799/about/epoptes.png
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| 20:44 | <vagrantc> alkisg: yeah, something more generic would be useful
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| 20:44 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, groups. :-D
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| 20:44 | <alkisg> Groups is ok? Cool, ty
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| 20:44 | <Matrix3000> I would prefer gruops
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| 20:45 | Groups works in both enterprise/education/etc evironments
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| 20:45 | <vagrantc> group doesn't presume a particular type of organization
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| 20:45 | <Matrix3000> instead of just one type of organization
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| 20:45 | yea, basically :)
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| 20:45 | <alkisg> And the "Discovered computers"? I want a small caption there...
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| 20:45 | Italc uses "Autodetected computers", remmina just "Discovered"
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| 20:46 | <vagrantc> or simply "detected computers"
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| 20:46 | <alkisg> That's smaller, good!
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| 20:47 | <Matrix3000> Detected Systems
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| 20:47 | * vagrantc likes detected systems | |
| 20:47 | <alkisg> It should be consistent with how we call the clients in general
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| 20:47 | <sbalneav> detected silicon based lifeforms
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| 20:47 | <alkisg> Computers? Workstations? Clients? Systems?
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| 20:48 | <Matrix3000> Detected Clients?
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| 20:48 | * Hyperbyte detects vagrantc's system | |
| 20:48 | <Matrix3000> ahaha
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| 20:48 | shorter is better right?
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| 20:48 | what will people understand easier
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| 20:48 | <alkisg> Yup, as long as it keeps the correct meaning
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| 20:48 | <sbalneav> "things found"
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| 20:48 | <Matrix3000> thin client fat client
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| 20:48 | <sbalneav> x whatchamacallits
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| 20:48 | <Matrix3000> commonality is client
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| 20:49 | <sbalneav> I'm just being silly. Ignore me. :)
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| 20:49 | off for a bit.
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| 20:49 | <Matrix3000> actually look at the image sample, "Client01"
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| 20:49 | <alkisg> It's bad that ltsp only has thin and fat clients, and no regulars...
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| 20:49 | <Matrix3000> "client02", "client03"
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| 20:49 | <alkisg> Yes but that's just a name selected by some greek weird guy
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| 20:50 | <Matrix3000> ahahaha
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| 20:50 | <alkisg> I wouldn't trust him to propose correct names for my app :P
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| 20:50 | <Matrix3000> System is universal
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| 20:50 | computer is same
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| 20:53 | * vagrantc thinks systems is correct | |
| 20:53 | <vagrantc> it applies to thin clients, fat clients, or probably other types of thingamawhazits we haven't thought of.
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| 20:53 | <Matrix3000> yea
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| 20:53 | <alkisg> Examples: nx users, x2go users, vnc users, xdmcp users...
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| 20:54 | And not only on the server, but on fat clients or standalone clients too
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| 20:54 | <Matrix3000> yea
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| 20:54 | <alkisg> E.g. if we have 1 standalone computer in the classroom (not the server) with 3 nx users connected to it, and 1 local, epoptes would show 4 icons
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| 20:54 | So, 4 "systems"?
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| 20:54 | <Matrix3000> contain any combination of the following: LTSP servers, thin and fat clients, non LTSP servers, standalone workstations, NX clients etc.
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| 20:54 | yea
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| 20:55 | <alkisg> Nice, thank you guys
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| 20:55 | <vagrantc> alkisg: well, they're connecting via some sort of system, even if some of the code is running on the same machine.
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| 20:55 | alkisg: or sessions
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| 20:55 | detected sessions
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| 20:55 | though a logged out system isn't really much of a session ...
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| 20:56 | <alkisg> What about "clients", in the "epoptes-client" sense?
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| 20:56 | <Hyperbyte> Systems, clients, screens, displays, users, ...
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| 20:56 | <vagrantc> there's that, too
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| 20:57 | <Matrix3000> yea
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| 20:57 | <alkisg> We do have system clients running as root, and session clients running as the connected user
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| 20:57 | So maybe we can just leave it "clients", it will be easier for the existing translations too :D
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| 20:57 | <vagrantc> sure
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| 20:57 | <Matrix3000> ok
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| 20:58 | when did you take over teh epoptes code?
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| 20:58 | just wondering abotu the whole rewrite
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| 20:58 | <alkisg> What do you mean take over? We started it
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| 20:59 | You mean the rewrite from sch-scripts to epoptes?
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| 20:59 | Sch-scripts was our app too, but it required root privileges
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| 20:59 | Because it also offered chroot manipulation (create, update, compress, etc)
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| 20:59 | And user account creation, programs list installation etc etc
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| 21:00 | <Matrix3000> oh ok
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| 21:00 | <alkisg> So we stripped all the stuff requiring root access, and we made epoptes, and refined it in the process
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| 21:00 | <Matrix3000> I was just wondering, all this time in #ltsp and I never heard you guys talk of it until now
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| 21:01 | <alkisg> http://irclogs.ltsp.org/?u=username&k=epoptes
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| 21:03 | <Matrix3000> Phantomas is the main developer of the new tool, called "epoptes" - you can bug him to release sooner :D
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| 21:03 | haha
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| 21:03 | so this is really a new system
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| 21:03 | * alkisg is bugging him in the other channel right now :D | |
| 21:03 | <Matrix3000> ahahahaha
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| 21:03 | you guys are hilarious
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| 21:03 | <alkisg> Yes, it's been in use for 1 year as "sch-scripts", and this is its second year, trying to get an international user base
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| 21:03 | * vagrantc is the fool they duped into uploading it to debian | |
| 21:04 | <jammcq> vagrantc: it's cool to be a fool
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| 21:04 | * alkisg is planning on exposing a lot of security holes after it gets to debian stable, to ruin vagrantc's reputation :D | |
| 21:05 | <vagrantc> dlffjsgfahf
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| 21:05 | <Matrix3000> oh, that's disgraceful alkisg
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| 21:06 | <Matrix3000> so will epoptes also allow the main computer to chat with the clients
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| 21:06 | <alkisg> define chat
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| 21:06 | <vagrantc> you can send messages
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| 21:07 | <alkisg> Ah, IM style chat
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| 21:07 | * vagrantc waves to Gadi | |
| 21:07 | <alkisg> Not yet but you can file a wishlist bug :)
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| 21:07 | Although empathy has a feature for chatting with nearby computers, no?
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| 21:08 | <Matrix3000> ahahaha
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| 21:08 | yes it does
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| 21:08 | we use pidgin mainly though
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| 21:08 | * Matrix3000 wishes we used empathy actually | |
| 21:10 | <vagrantc> alkisg: looks like the perl related build-deps are cleared up ... i could try another epoptes upload
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| 21:10 | <alkisg> vagrantc: sure, we don't have any commits coming up soon, the next one will be the groups one, and I'd like to test that for a couple of weeks before you uploading it to debian
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| 21:10 | So it's a good time for unstable
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| 21:12 | <Matrix3000> how how stable is epoptes currently
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| 21:12 | <alkisg> It's should be pretty stable atm
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| 21:13 | <Matrix3000> ok cause was wanting to do italc, but if this solution is better :)
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| 21:13 | <alkisg> We have 2 PPAs, one stable and one proposed
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| 21:13 | <Matrix3000> no windows client though right
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| 21:13 | <alkisg> If you stick to the stable one, supposedly you shouldn't have any big problems
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| 21:13 | No, no windows client
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| 21:14 | <Matrix3000> now the epoptes-server can run on my local ubuntu machine right
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| 21:15 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 21:15 | <Matrix3000> does the management system have to be on teh epoptes-server
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| 21:16 | ill make image of what i want to do
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| 21:16 | <alkisg> The gui must be ran on the same system where the daemon runs
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| 21:16 | So if it's an ltsp server, you can run it from the server, from a thin client, or with remoteapps from a fat client
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| 21:19 | <Matrix3000> so i could do remoteapps epoptes-gui
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| 21:19 | or something like that
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| 21:19 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 21:19 | <Matrix3000> ah ok
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| 21:19 | i think i'd have to do that
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| 21:19 | <alkisg> ltsp-remoteapps epoptes
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| 21:22 | <Matrix3000> ah ok
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| 21:22 | <Matrix3000> http://screencast.com/t/Thhjk1WnhZSA
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| 21:23 | that's a super simple setup
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| 21:23 | of what i have
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| 21:23 | so if i have a vm on my computer that network boots to ltsp server
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| 21:23 | i can do it then
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| 21:24 | <alkisg> Er, you can just ssh -X to the server
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| 21:24 | No need for a VM
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| 21:24 | <Matrix3000> i don't run ubuntu on my machine
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| 21:24 | i have windows because of gay networking tools for cisco
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| 21:24 | <alkisg> Windows? nx then
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| 21:25 | <Matrix3000> i don't have nx installed on the ltsp server though?
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| 21:26 | <alkisg> Well, apt-get install neatx-server, done
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| 21:26 | <Matrix3000> lol
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| 21:27 | <alkisg> Or http://www.straightrunning.com/XmingNotes/
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| 21:32 | <Matrix3000> k
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| 21:33 | and it doesn't ahve to be a local app right
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| 21:33 | on the thin clients
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| 21:34 | <alkisg> You need to install epoptes-client in the chroot
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| 21:34 | It's not a gui app, it's used for reboot/shutdown/screen broadcasting etc
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| 21:34 | Just takes 1 mb ram
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| 21:34 | <Matrix3000> k
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| 21:35 | <Matrix3000> so it requires x11vnc and xvnc4viewer
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| 21:36 | <alkisg> It's in the dependencies list, yes
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| 21:37 | <Matrix3000> Yoh shit
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| 21:37 | oh*
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| 21:37 | the users that would be connecting are ldap?
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| 21:37 | so can i still put them in the epoptes group
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| 21:38 | aight it worked
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| 21:39 | <vagrantc> the epoptes group is only for people who have access to the epoptes monitoring interface, anyone can run the epoptes-client
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| 21:39 | <Matrix3000> ah ok
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| 21:40 | <vagrantc> sbalneav, alkisg: well, i got libnss-sshsock and epoptes to build, will see if i can test tonight
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| 21:46 | <Matrix3000> not bad
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| 21:46 | i like
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| 21:46 | although did get an error on boot
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| 21:46 | trying it again
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| 21:47 | <alkisg> What error?
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| 22:00 | <Matrix3000> nevermind
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| 22:00 | didn't happen
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| 22:02 | oh, i can send messages
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| 22:02 | sweet
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| 22:02 | i didn't need it for chat, just alerts
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| 22:02 | basically
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| 22:02 | :)
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| 22:06 | is the real irc for epoptes #linux.sch.gr
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| 22:06 | or does it need changed in code
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| 22:22 | <alkisg> It's #linux.sch.gr, currently, until more than 10 users are there :D
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| 22:22 | Then it'll be #epoptes
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| 23:46 | <Matrix3000> is a load of 2.3 bad for a celeron 1.8ghz
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| 23:46 | lol
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