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Channel log from 8 April 2015 (all times are UTC)
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| 04:03 | <bojan> Can anybody please help me suddenly all my ps/2 mouse is not working in all my client computers but USB is working good
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| 04:13 | <MarconM> use usb -D
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| 04:13 | =D
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| 04:18 | <vagrantc> bojan: what distro and release?
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| 04:18 | bojan: did it happen after updating the kernel or something?
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| 04:19 | * vagrantc could easily see ps/2 support getting dropped by accident | |
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| 04:21 | <H3suS> !ltsp-pnp
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| 04:21 | <ltsp> ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 04:23 | <bojan> MarconM:But it worked good so far...from today it is making problem
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| 04:23 | vagrantc:Yes
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| 04:24 | please somebody help me...Office hours started
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| 04:25 | vagrantc:Its ubuntu 12.04 alternate amd64
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| 04:27 | <vagrantc> bojan: this is a new install, or an upgraded install?
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| 04:30 | <bojan> vagrantc:i have already installed and its worked good
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| 04:31 | vagrantc:i just updated my chroot with apt-get update and then ltsp-update-image
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| 04:35 | when i done update chroot i got this following error "http://paste.ubuntu.com/10769909/"
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| 04:37 | <vagrantc> bojan: did you use ltsp-chroot to get into that shell?
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| 04:38 | bojan: try with: ltsp-chroot --mount-all apt-get -f install
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| 04:39 | <bojan> vagrantc:I have just mount /proc to /opt/ltsp/amd64/proc and then apt-get install -f its installed now correctly without any error in chroot
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| 04:39 | <vagrantc> my wild guess is the kernel you're booting and the kernel in the image are mismatched due to a partial upgrade...
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| 04:40 | <bojan> vagrantc:What can i do now??
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| 04:40 | <vagrantc> finish the upgrade you started?
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| 04:40 | <bojan> yes its finished
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| 04:40 | <vagrantc> bojan: try with: ltsp-chroot --mount-all apt-get upgrade
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| 04:40 | <bojan> what will happen if i give this command
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| 04:40 | ??
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| 04:41 | <vagrantc> it will mount several of the filesystems (such as proc) chroot into your chroot, and inside your chroot run apt-get upgrade
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| 04:41 | <H3suS> vagrantc: about the bug with lxde session
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| 04:41 | do u know ho to fix
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| 04:41 | <vagrantc> H3suS: i don't really know anything about it
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| 04:41 | <H3suS> vagrantc: thanks sorry about to ask again
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| 04:42 | <bojan> vagrantc:The upgrade has done well once i mount /proc now i am updating the image for booting...Let me check whether the mouse is working good after this updation
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| 04:42 | vagrantc:Am little confused that what is location of lts.conf??
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| 04:43 | <vagrantc> bojan: on ubuntu it should be /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/CHROOT_NAME/lts.conf
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| 04:43 | although, depending on your setup, it may try /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf no matter what your chroot is.
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| 04:44 | there's also /opt/ltsp/*/etc/lts.conf ... but you usually don't want to edit that directly, otherwise you have to update your images after every change.
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| 04:44 | <bojan> vagrantc:It was in that location only but after my update i lost my lts.conf file
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| 04:44 | vagrantc:Then how should i update
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| 04:44 | <vagrantc> bojan: i don't know what you mean?
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| 04:44 | bojan: do you *need* and lts.conf?
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| 04:45 | <bojan> lts.conf is need right??
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| 04:45 | <vagrantc> only if the defaults don't work
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| 04:45 | <bojan> so ps/2 mouse is default right??
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| 04:45 | <vagrantc> unless there's a bug in the version of ltsp you're using ... i do recall something from a long time ago...
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| 04:46 | bojan: you shouldn't need to specify ps/2 in lts.conf
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| 04:46 | bojan: like i said, you probably had a partial upgrade and mismatched versions so the modules weren't present to support some peripherals.
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| 04:47 | bojan: it was working before the updates?
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| 04:47 | <bojan> vagrantc:yes it worked good before the update
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| 04:47 | vagrantc:what will be final solution??
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| 04:48 | <vagrantc> bojan: depends on what's really wrong ...
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| 04:48 | bojan: it's unclear to me that you've really finished the upgrade properly, or updated your image, or updated the tftp directories
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| 04:49 | bojan: but once the upgrade is done: ltsp-update-image ; ltsp-update-kernels
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| 04:49 | or maybe ltsp-update-image && ltsp-update-kernels
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| 04:49 | (the extra call to ltsp-update-kernels might not be needed, but shouldn't cause any problems)
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| 04:54 | <bojan> vagrantc:It is working good now
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| 04:54 | thank you so much
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| 04:55 | vagrantc:one more doubt that i have configured nfs in LTSP server and want some authentication for that like NIS,LDAP,,<What will be better and will works good with LTSP
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| 04:55 | ??
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| 05:39 | <vagrantc> bojan: you're using NFS home dirs? or NFS for the LTSP root?
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| 05:39 | bojan: or NFS for something else?
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| 05:39 | bojan: i've never actually set up NFS with authentication... i always use unauthenticated NFS... almost exclusively read-only.
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| 11:15 | <vinod_> hello
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| 11:16 | i just installed edubuntu 14.04 lts with LTSP
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| 11:16 | it is working
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| 11:17 | but when i restart client then getting error. like soket error
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| 11:17 | after restart server is again working good
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| 11:18 | can u help me about this type of problem what i am facing
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| 12:22 | <Jane_> hi I have just tried to set up Pinet and get as far as the login screen. at this point i am unable to input username as the mouse and keyboard don't appear to work. I have tried the RPi stand alone using a different SD card and the mouse and keyboard work. Can you advise what is happening?
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| 12:44 | <MarconM> !ping
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| 12:44 | <ltsp> pong
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| 12:44 | <MarconM> morning
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| 13:11 | <Jane_> hi I have just tried to set up Pinet and get as far as the login screen. at this point i am unable to input username as the mouse and keyboard don't appear to work. I have tried the RPi stand alone using a different SD card and the mouse and keyboard work. Can you advise what is happening?
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| 13:14 | <ldr> hello
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| 13:14 | I have a probably pretty basic question but haven't found any clue in documentation
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| 13:15 | I have to ltsp servers installed, let's say ltsp1 and ltsp2
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| 13:15 | and several thin clients, some of them using ltsp1 and others using ltsp2
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| 13:16 | what I want to know is how thin clients knows what ltsp server to boot up
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| 13:18 | my knowledge of boot process is when a thinkclient turns on it sends a DHCPDISCOVER and the dhcp service in the server answers
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| 13:19 | but it is a matter of the first server to answer is the server the thinclient chooses to request an image to boot from?
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| 15:30 | <SeuMadruga> i installed lubuntu 14.04 i386, i having problem with log in ... when i try to log ... reboo the thin client
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| 15:30 | how can i fix this
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| 15:48 | <SeuMadruga> !ltsp-pnp | echo SeuMadruga
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| 15:48 | <ltsp> SeuMadruga ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 16:33 | <SeuMadruga> Γειά σου
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| 16:34 | <ltsp_fan> hi everyone, thanks for offering to help: I have two unrelated problems: 1) I'm running Debian Testing, the clients boot succesfully but have a green tinge to the desktop 2) how do I enable nbd client root mounting and disable nfs
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| 16:37 | <vagrantc> ltsp_fan: just how green are we talking? what video cards?
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| 16:38 | ltsp_fan: switching to NBD isn't too difficult... some of the steps are described here: https://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto
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| 16:39 | <vagrantc> ltsp_fan: although it's documenting how to use the LTSP-PNP method, rather than chroots ... the concepts are the same.
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| 16:42 | ltsp_fan: you'll need to edit update-kernels.conf in the chroot, ltsp-chroot dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-x.y.x, ltsp-update-image /opt/ltsp/XXX, ltsp-config nbd-server, service nbd-server restart
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| 16:43 | ltsp_fan: i often configure my environments to enable either, and have a boot menu to select between them
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| 16:45 | <ltsp_fan> thanks so much, yes I read https://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto but wasn't sure how much applied because I have a different server to client environment
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| 16:45 | from speaking to alksig a couple of a months ago nbd is the preferred choice, why still give an option?
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| 16:45 | <vagrantc> ltsp_fan: main thing to change is BOOT_METHODS
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| 16:46 | <ltsp_fan> whats IPAPPEND=3 for?
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| 16:46 | <vagrantc> NBD is much ess resilient
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| 16:47 | IPAPPEND re-uses the initial DHCP request made via PXE rather than making a second request via initramfs
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| 16:47 | should be safe to use
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| 16:47 | <ltsp_fan> cool let me try this now
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| 16:49 | <vagrantc> ltsp_fan: NBD can't handle brief server disconnects as well as NFS, in my experience ... which makes it less stable. it is much faster, and by and large works fine. i also find having to run ltsp-update-image after every change can result in confusion where the chroot is updated but the client is running an older image...
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| 16:49 | a good compromise is NFS+squashfs images
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| 16:50 | has most of the speed benefits of NBD, but is as reliable as NFS
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| 16:50 | still the image vs. chroot confusion potential
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| 16:51 | some of it may be my own bias in developing LTSP in that I do a lot of testing and so consistancy of state comes up a lot more often :)
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| 16:52 | but it's now fairly easy to switch back and forth between them
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| 16:54 | * vagrantc still resents the confusion over lts.conf in tftp vs. in the chroot that was implemented to work with NBD | |
| 16:56 | <vagrantc> for jessie+1 we may have to switch away from NFS, as aufs is no longer in recent kernels, and mainline overlayfs isn't compatible with using NFS as a layer
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| 16:56 | (though works fine with NFS+squashfs images)
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| 17:18 | <ltsp_fan> ok i've started following your instructions. I really value these other comments which plan to ask you about further, but in the mean time I'm at the chroot stage and a question occured to me:
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| 17:18 | when I dpkg-reconfigure
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| 17:19 | after I've chrooted
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| 17:20 | <vagrantc> i'd recommend using "ltsp-chroot" rather than running from a chrooted shell
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| 17:20 | <ltsp_fan> the howto recommends I use uname -r to determine the kernel
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| 17:20 | but that returns the server kernel, no?
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| 17:20 | <vagrantc> yes, and with ltsp-pnp, that's always going to be the same
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| 17:20 | (well, mostly)
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| 17:20 | <ltsp_fan> what's the difference between ltsp-root and chroot
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| 17:20 | <vagrantc> but with a chroot, you may have a different version
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| 17:21 | ltsp-chroot sets a few variables to prevent daemons from spawning inside the chroot, and also can be used to automatically mount some things (such as /proc) which may be necessary for some packages to install/upgrade
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| 17:21 | it also automatically figures out which chroot to use
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| 17:22 | <ltsp_fan> ok thanks that helps a lot
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| 17:22 | <MarconM> vagrantc: so its recommended use ltsp-chroot
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| 17:22 | ?
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| 17:22 | <ltsp_fan> but my uname -r still says:
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| 17:22 | <vagrantc> MarconM: with ltsp chroots, yes.
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| 17:22 | ltsp_fan: your "uname -r" is not relevent to what kernel to reconfigure in the chroot
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| 17:22 | <ltsp_fan> 3.14-2-amd64
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| 17:22 | <MarconM> vagrantc: when the client load .. i try to log on tty
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| 17:23 | user and pass dont works
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| 17:23 | <vagrantc> MarconM: yes, there are no users configured on the ltsp client by default.
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| 17:23 | <MarconM> vagrantc: i am using ltsp-pnp
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| 17:23 | <vagrantc> ltsp_fan: but it does sound like you're running a very old kernel
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| 17:24 | MarconM: there are no users in the client image.
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| 17:24 | MarconM: LDM creates them at login time.
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| 17:24 | <MarconM> how i fix that
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| 17:24 | <vagrantc> why do you need to?
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| 17:24 | <MarconM> confuse
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| 17:24 | do i need to create or add users to ltsp-pnp ?
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| 17:24 | <ltsp_fan> so how do I determine what kernel to reconfigure?
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| 17:25 | <vagrantc> MarconM: you create the users on the server. they authenticate against the server. there are normally no users configured for console login, only through LDM.
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| 17:26 | ltsp_fan: ltsp-chroot dpkg -l 'linux-image-*'
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| 17:26 | <MarconM> ok
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| 17:26 | <vagrantc> ltsp_fan: you just need to do that after changing update-kernels.conf ... in future kernel updates it will happen automatically
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| 17:26 | <MarconM> but on ldm ... i try to log in and nothing happend
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| 17:27 | just reboot
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| 17:27 | <vagrantc> sounds like you have some other problem.
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| 17:27 | <MarconM> yes
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| 17:27 | i think this is a bug on lxde or ltsp-pnp
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| 17:27 | <vagrantc> MarconM: try setting SCREEN_02=shell and SCREEN_07=ldm in lts.conf
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| 17:27 | <MarconM> alsing help me to fix
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| 17:27 | ok
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| 17:27 | <vagrantc> that will give you a root sheel on tty2 to debug with
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| 17:32 | <MarconM> vagrantc: on lts.conf can i specific wich machine by MAC address will log in with user1 user2 and pass too
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| 17:32 | ?
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| 17:33 | <vagrantc> MarconM: yes.
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| 17:33 | though the simplest thing is to set up ltsp1 through ltsp255
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| 17:34 | and just use the defaults
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| 17:34 | e.g. 192.168.67.20 -> ltsp20 or 192.168.67.150 -> ltsp150
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| 17:35 | most of them will probably never be used, but it's easier than configuring all of them in lts.conf
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| 19:10 | <ltsp_fan> hi I'm back, thanks for the help so far
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| 19:10 | vagrantc: I think I completed all the steps but I can't seem to boot
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| 19:11 | when you said the kernel was old, I tried to fix that by installing 686-pae kernel in the chroot
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| 19:11 | is that the right way?
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| 19:13 | <Faith> hey, vagrantc, you said you have a menu boot for images, how did you do?
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| 19:13 | <vagrantc> ltsp_fan: well, jessie currently uses a 3.16 kernel, you mentioned 3.14
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| 19:13 | <ltsp_fan> I also get this error when reconfigure the kernel: cat: /proc/cmdline: No such file or directory
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| 19:14 | <vagrantc> ltsp_fan: that should be fine
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| 19:14 | Faith: edit update-kernels.conf ... there should be commented out entries for menu
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| 19:15 | Faith: either in /opt/ltsp/*/etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf or /etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf if using ltsp-pnp methods.
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| 19:15 | <Faith> vagrantc, it does only work with ltsp-pnp? I use nbd
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| 19:16 | <ltsp_fan> I did a fresh install of jessie, why would the server have a 3.14 kernel? How do I fix it?
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| 19:16 | <vagrantc> Faith: no, the location of the file you edit changes if you're using chroots or ltsp-pnp
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| 19:17 | <Faith> vagrantc, ahh ok, tks :)
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| 19:17 | <vagrantc> ltsp_fan: maybe you used ancient install media?
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| 19:17 | ltsp_fan: apt-get upgrade should fix it...
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| 19:19 | <ltsp_fan> ah, you're right I assumed testing was Jessie, but yes, I did then do apt-get upgrade with the jessie repos
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| 19:21 | oh ok i forgot to run apt-get dist-upgrade
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| 19:22 | <vagrantc> testing has been jessie for quite some time, though at the end of the month will transition to stable :)
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| 19:26 | <ltsp_fan> ok so back to getting nbd to work, the client says: chroot can't access test
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| 19:26 | did I miss a step?
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| 19:31 | <ltsp_fan> got to go for now, I hope to continue tomorrow, thanks
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| 20:53 | <hatcha> hey
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| 20:55 | am new to ltsp. now can i get my thin client to boot to rdp login?
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| 20:55 | <vagrantc> use SCREEN_07=xfreerdp in lts.conf and RDP_OPTIONS and RDP_SERVER
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| 20:56 | i haven't used it myself beyond testing, so good luck
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| 20:58 | gbaman: heya! just got an rpi2 today
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| 21:00 | <vagrantc> will give it a whirl with ltsp using debian armhf soonish!
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| 22:02 | <gbaman> vagrantc: cool. They are really nice, the speed difference is very noticeable, especially when doing stuff like web browsing
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| 22:03 | <vagrantc> the pi i have is the 256MB model, so i suspect it will be *really* noticeable
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| 22:03 | <gbaman> ah..
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| 22:03 | yeah..
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| 22:04 | just a tad..
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| 22:04 | Plus, it can hit PiNet login screen in under 30 seconds :)
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| 22:04 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 22:05 | <gbaman> Vs the the older Pis which take about 55-60 seconds
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| 22:05 | Have already had a few schools comment who got some that it is faster than their normal Windows machines :)
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| 22:07 | <vagrantc> gbaman: there's nothing really ubuntu-specific with pinet, is there? it would be feasible to install on a debian server?
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| 22:07 | <gbaman> Erm..
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| 22:08 | It uses $SUDO_USER a lot, which I don't believe Debian has
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| 22:08 | It will complain if you try and install it on Debian
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| 22:08 | <vagrantc> huh
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| 22:08 | <gbaman> $SUDO_USER, as in the user than ran the script with sudo
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| 22:08 | One of the reasons I stopped supporting both was Debian didn't seem to set it
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| 22:09 | Best bet is Ubuntu 14.04
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| 22:09 | As everything will "just work"
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| 22:09 | <vagrantc> SUDO_USER seems to be there on Debian 8
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| 22:09 | jessie
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| 22:09 | <gbaman> Oh?
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| 22:09 | Then other than that, don't see any reason why not? But don't install it on a machine you intend to use for anything else!
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| 22:10 | Never wrote an uninstaller as no one ever really needed one
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| 22:10 | <vagrantc> was thinking about trying it out using a virtual machine
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| 22:10 | <gbaman> Yeah, will work fine
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| 22:10 | <vagrantc> since i've heard so much about it... :)
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| 22:10 | <gbaman> I even have a virtualbox guide :) http://pinet.org.uk/articles/installation/virtualbox.html
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| 22:11 | If you are doing a vm though, I will still recommend Ubuntu
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| 22:11 | Is the one I have tested and know everything works with
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| 22:11 | Ubuntu 14.04 desktop
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| 22:11 | <vagrantc> would you accept debianization bug reports? :)
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| 22:11 | <gbaman> :)
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| 22:11 | Maybe
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| 22:11 | Keep in mind the target audience though
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| 22:11 | teachers
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| 22:12 | And as much as I love Debian, Ubuntu is more beginner friendly
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| 22:12 | But I accept pull requests! https://github.com/PiNet/PiNet
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| 22:12 | * vagrantc doesn't believe "teachers" == "beginners" | |
| 22:13 | <gbaman> Oh trust me... Most are
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| 22:13 | Especially with Linux
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| 22:13 | <vagrantc> that's like saying teenagers aren't good with computers because they don't have experience or old people aren't good with computers because they're set in their ways
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| 22:14 | i guess i tend to run into teachers running LTSP on debian :)
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| 22:14 | <gbaman> But, you need to be very careful not to scare them off
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| 22:14 | PiNet is targeted at being extremely simple
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| 22:14 | As you will see
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| 22:14 | <vagrantc> i tend to only support people who clearly know what they want
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| 22:15 | <gbaman> These teachers want a system for user accounts usually, for the Pis
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| 22:15 | But haven't a clue of any of the insides of how to do it
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| 22:15 | <vagrantc> but anyways... maybe i'll finally get around to installing this stuff
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| 22:15 | <gbaman> :)
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| 22:18 | Well do let me know what you think (and if anything should be changed)
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| 22:18 | and feel free to try and break stuff :)
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| 22:18 | <vagrantc> it's a single-network card setup?
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| 22:18 | <gbaman> Yeah
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| 22:19 | Most schools just repurpose an old desktop machine
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| 22:19 | <vagrantc> sure
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| 22:19 | <gbaman> So asking them to buy another network card for it is pushing it
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| 22:19 | <vagrantc> single-nic setups have a lot of advantages
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| 22:19 | <gbaman> The biggest being simplicity in my opinion
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| 22:20 | <vagrantc> what with fat clients and all ... the main advantage of a two-nic setup was to isolate the thin client network which didn't need internet access ... but now with localapps and fatclients that requires NAT ugliness.
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| 22:20 | so single-nic makes a lot of sense
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