IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 12 December 2013 (all times are UTC)
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| 07:01 | <praj> Hi, I am interested in setting up LTSP for windows and Linux(ubuntu) in our lab using Thin client and PXE boot
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| 07:01 | I need to know 1. What is the type of hardware required? 2. Which windows server is recommended?
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| 07:09 | <work_alkisg> You want diskless clients that have both ubuntu and windows (remote desktop) sessions?
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| 07:09 | <alkisg> praj: ^
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| 07:11 | <praj> yes exactly
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| 07:12 | <alkisg> !fatclients
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| 07:12 | <ltsp> fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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| 07:12 | <praj> kindly guide me about the hardware config required
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| 07:12 | <alkisg> First decide if the ubuntu sessions will be thin or fat
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| 07:13 | If you want fat (diskless again) clients, then the specs are the same as in standalone ubuntu machines
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| 07:13 | <praj> ok. So i can use existing machines as clients
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| 07:14 | <alkisg> Sure
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| 07:15 | <praj> ok. What server hardware is needed for windows and Linux?
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| 07:16 | <alkisg> How much RAM do your current clients have?
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| 07:18 | And, how many clients?
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| 07:19 | <praj> 30
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| 07:19 | <alkisg> RAM.
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| 07:20 | <praj> 2GB RAM
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| 07:20 | <alkisg> So they'll be fat clients
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| 07:20 | Then for linux you don't need a good server, anything with gigabit networking will be ok
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| 07:21 | For windows, ask in #windows or wait for someone that has such an installation... I'd imagine you'd need something quad or 8 core there
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| 07:21 | And with 16 gb ram or so
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| 07:21 | <praj> Ok, Then i need help to configure the system
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| 07:21 | <alkisg> ...unless if you want to run windows in a VM instead of through remote desktop
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| 07:22 | Sure, start with installing ltsp and ask whatever you want
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| 07:24 | <praj> ok my requirement is each client should be dual boot windows/ubuntu
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| 07:25 | if you send me some link about setting up this , it will be useful prajshetty@gmail.com
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| 07:27 | <alkisg> Nope
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| 07:27 | <alkisg> !docs
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| 07:27 | <ltsp> docs: For the latest community documentation, see the LTSP wiki at http://wiki.ltsp.org/ For a PDF with official documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 07:27 | <alkisg> Just read the docs
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| 07:27 | <mssmss> Hi alkisg...
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| 07:27 | <alkisg> Hello
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| 07:28 | <mssmss> I have a 12.04 Ubuntu ltsp setup with 32 terminals..
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| 07:28 | trying to block facebook access on clients ...
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| 07:28 | <praj> thanks @docs
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| 07:28 | <mssmss> does not work if https://www.facebook.com is used ...
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| 07:29 | <alkisg> Install a dns server like dnsmasq and cut it from there
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| 07:31 | <mssmss> I am using UFW and and trying to blockall facebook's IP addresses ......
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| 07:31 | does not seem to be working ...
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| 07:31 | <alkisg> Ask in #ubuntu for UFS
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| 07:31 | UFW
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| 07:31 | <mssmss> will do .. thanks
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| 10:02 | <alkisg> Enslaver: is epoptes available for fedora?
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| 10:35 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, I'd say.... no
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| 10:36 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: ty
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| 10:36 | <rickogden> Hey, has anyone used ltsp with an external storage array to store home directories?
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| 10:38 | <alkisg> Sure, many have done that here, nothing LTSP related with it though
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| 10:40 | <rickogden> I'm just thinking my next step would be to abstract the application/image server from the file server.
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| 10:42 | Reduce the network traffic as the fat clients would be mounting the NBD from one server and the sshfs for the home directories from another.
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| 10:43 | <alkisg> You can also put the nbd image elsewhere... even locally on the clients if they have storage
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| 10:45 | <rickogden> That might actually make more sense. Not on the clients though as that would mean a deployment every build.
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| 10:46 | My long term plan is to virtualise the whole thing
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| 10:46 | and put it on a cloud infrastructure
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| 10:49 | <alkisg> A deployment on every build is 1 command from epoptes + maybe 1 hour to copy the image
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| 10:49 | If you're running ltsp-update-image once per ...month, it could be worth it
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| 10:49 | <Hyperbyte> rickogden, what exactly do you mean by that you want to put it in a cloud infrastructure?
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| 10:49 | <alkisg> ...if it means 10 times more nbd bandwidth...
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| 10:50 | <rickogden> alkisg: more like once a week at the moment
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| 10:51 | <alkisg> Yeah you'd do that once you have the image ready, not while you're still "developing" it
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| 10:51 | <rickogden> Hyperbyte: LTSP PaaS, I'm in the (very) early stages of setting up an OpenStack cloud
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| 10:53 | <Hyperbyte> rickogden, I've never heard of openstack cloud. How does it work?
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| 10:53 | <rickogden> http://www.openstack.org
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| 10:55 | <Hyperbyte> Let me ask again.
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| 10:55 | How are you planning to make it work?
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| 10:57 | <rickogden> as I said, very early stages and I've never set up a private cloud, so not sure yet. I haven't got the hardware yet to experiment with.
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| 11:06 | <Hyperbyte> I'm curious why you'd want to set up a private cloud.
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| 11:07 | <rickogden> Hyperbyte: research purposes to start with, and then the ability to spin up services for projects
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| 11:11 | <cyberorg> alkisg, hi, could you have a look at why standalone epoptes-client does not show up in epoptes GUI? ltsp clients show up fine
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| 11:12 | http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-edu/2013-12/msg00007.html
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| 11:14 | <alkisg> hi cyberorg, looking...
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| 11:14 | cyberorg: is epoptes installed in that standalone pc too?
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| 11:15 | <cyberorg> no, just epoptes-client
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| 11:15 | <alkisg> OK, /me checks...
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| 11:16 | <cyberorg> actually both, on the Lars' test, he has both, on my test only epoptes-client installed on the standalone pc
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| 11:16 | in ltsp image only client is installed, that works fine
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| 11:16 | <alkisg> cyberorg: lars@travel:~> cat /etc/default/epoptes-client
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| 11:16 | SERVER=localhost
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| 11:17 | He wants epoptes-client to connect to his own pc? to control himself?
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| 11:17 | <cyberorg> that is on Lars' test, in my test client, it is SERVER=server, see the followup mails
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| 11:17 | <alkisg> ok, reading on...
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| 11:21 | cyberorg: do you have a test environment where you are now, that I could look into with reverse vnc/
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| 11:21 | ?
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| 11:23 | cyberorg: on the client, epoptes-client isn't connected, you should be seeing this if it was:
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| 11:23 | root@ltsp219:~# ps ax|grep epoptes
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| 11:23 | 702 ? S 0:00 socat openssl-connect:server:789,cafile=/etc/epoptes/server.crt,interval=60,forever EXEC:bash -c \"exec -a epoptes-client sh\"
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| 11:23 | 803 ? S 0:00 epoptes-client
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| 11:23 | The second one, with 803 pid
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| 11:24 | Since you're not seeing it, it means the client didn't connect
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| 11:25 | <cyberorg> yes, on ltsp-client, it is there, not on standalone one
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| 11:25 | <alkisg> That means there are connection issues, or that the client for some reasons hangs/exits
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| 11:26 | <cyberorg> "From a strace, I see that the epoptes-client wants to
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| 11:26 | create/connect to a socket in /var/run/epoptes - this directory (and file) does not exist."
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| 11:26 | does it have anything to do with this?
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| 11:26 | both ltsp-client and the standalone clients are openSUSE 13.1 on the same network
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| 11:26 | <alkisg> epoptes-client doesn't access that socket, no
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| 11:26 | Only the daemon and the gui
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| 11:33 | <alkisg> (01:28:41 μμ) alkisg: cyberorg: do you have a test environment handy, that I could connect to with epoptes' remote support feature?
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| 11:33 | (01:29:21 μμ) alkisg: cyberorg: for troubleshooting, two hints,
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| 11:33 | (01:29:31 μμ) alkisg: 1) run /usr/sbin/epoptes-client from the terminal to get its output
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| 11:33 | (01:29:58 μμ) alkisg: 2) for certificate issues, try EPOPTES_CLIENT_VERIFY_CERTIFICATE=False /usr/sbin/epoptes-client
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| 13:23 | <andygraybeal> hi Hyperbyte
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| 13:37 | <Hyperbyte> Hey Andy. :)
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| 18:49 | <alkisg> vagrantc: around?
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| 18:56 | <vagrantc> ish
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| 18:58 | <alkisg> About localappsd, fifos etc:
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| 18:58 | Our master ssh connection could become a little more useful than a plain sh -
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| 18:59 | Something like this, to try in a local terminal:
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| 18:59 | ssh -M -S /tmp/s user@localhost /path/to/ltsp-session | sh
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| 19:00 | ltsp-session makes a fifo and just outputs whatever's written to it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6562892/
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| 19:00 | So then the "user" can run commands locally on the client, like this:
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| 19:00 | echo date >/tmp/ltsp-session-user/localapps-fifo
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| 19:01 | No more ltsp-localappsd at all... :)
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| 19:03 | The same can be done for remoteapps, to have /etc/xdg/autostart/some-script make a fifo and read from it and launch the commands written there inside the user session with all the environment
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| 19:04 | <alkisg> "sh" is ligher than "xprop", and it doesn't rely on X, it would work for console-based or wayland sessions too...
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| 19:05 | For better organization, we would want an "ltsp-session" script, an LTSP_SESSION environment variable, and an ltsp-session temporary directory
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| 19:05 | <vagrantc> sounds promising!
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| 19:05 | <alkisg> Nice, I'll keep digging! :)
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| 19:06 | <vagrantc> so, essentially we need to start something on the server side that doesn't exit, and ideally reads and listens for input?
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| 19:06 | and then executes appropriate things?
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| 19:06 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 19:06 | <vagrantc> this sounds way better :)
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| 19:06 | <alkisg> ssh -M -S /tmp/s user@localhost /path/to/ltsp-session | su - user -c sh
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| 19:07 | ...if we don't want to filter the commands...
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| 19:07 | Ideally we want them to be sockets instead of fifos, for two way communication
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| 19:07 | I'll look into that too
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| 19:08 | <vagrantc> this does require that ltsp-session exists on the server, yes?
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| 19:08 | <alkisg> We can scp it if needed, but I think we do want /etc/xdg/autostart/remoteappsd-script to be preinstalled in order to run with full environment, DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS and everything
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| 19:10 | <vagrantc> so essentially ltsp-localappsd would be listening to the output of the ssh session?
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| 19:10 | <alkisg> So I'm inclined towards some ldm-server package that contains all the necessary scripts for servers that support ltsp logins
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| 19:10 | ltsp-localapps is the "| su - user -c sh" part
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| 19:10 | <vagrantc> right
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| 19:10 | i.e. ltsp-localapps replaced by half a line of code :)
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| 19:10 | <alkisg> (or a script that filters the commands read from the ssh socket, if we prefer that)
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| 19:12 | <vagrantc> if we know what we're expecting to see on the other side of the connection, it makes the screen-scraping less difficult ...
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| 19:12 | well, i guess that only happens after authentication and the ssh socket/tunnel/fifo is created
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| 19:13 | <alkisg> No need for screen scraping, we can just run whatever the user tells us... | while read -r cmd; do su - user -c "$cmd"; done
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| 19:13 | (if we want to save the memory of "su - user -c sh")
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| 19:14 | But I'd like to be able to do this too, which won't work with a plain fifo:
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| 19:14 | x=$(ltsp-localapps date)
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| 19:15 | I.e. get the output of localapps commands on the server side... :)
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| 19:15 | A socket would be best there
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| 19:23 | Hmm or just 2 fifos
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| 19:33 | <alkisg> ...or even socat, which can pass stderr too :)
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| 23:52 | <andygraybeal> hey bros, i know it is off topic, but check out my new kid.. he's two weeks old: http://i.imgur.com/AHoh1sk.jpg
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