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Channel log from 26 October 2008 (all times are UTC)
| 00:00 | <johnny> kc8pxy_, but they are really gonna need a pulse driver anyways.. since pulse is going to be default on almost all linux distros
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| 00:00 | desktop ones anyways..
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| 00:02 | <stgraber> IIRC wine has a pulse driver
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| 00:02 | hmm, it appears not to be there ... I remember reading about one somewhere ...
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| 00:03 | anyway, you can probably just use wine with the alsa output (not the OSS one), it should then use the pulse alsa device
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| 00:09 | <johnny> or.. the esd driver.. :)
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| 00:09 | i'd never seen the pulse driver, thus i mentioned it..
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| 07:56 | <IRCzito> Hello guys, someone can send me ubuntu initrd?
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| 09:05 | <tostado> hi nubae
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| 09:06 | i need a little more help with the fat client setup
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| 09:07 | i boot my client, as far as i can see the client mounts the nfs home from the server but the gdm doesn't respond to the keyboard
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| 09:07 | the client isn't pingable neither
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| 09:28 | <Nubae> hi tostado
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| 09:29 | gdm doesnt respond to the keyboard? u mean u can't type?
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| 09:31 | ok, lets debug this a bit.... first, cat /opt/ltsp/fati386/etc/network/interfaces
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| 09:33 | <tostado> auto lo
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| 09:34 | iface lo inet loopback
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| 09:34 | thats all
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| 09:36 | and i don't get a terminal on the client, no ssh so its VERY hard to debug
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| 09:39 | <Nubae> hah
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| 09:39 | it seems to have killed the networking...
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| 09:39 | <tostado> yes
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| 09:39 | <Nubae> edit that file and copy your settings from the server to there
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| 09:39 | should just be auto eth0 inet dhcp
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| 09:39 | <tostado> at the end of rcS.d it's still alive
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| 09:40 | ok
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| 09:40 | <Nubae> yeah looks like ltsp is overwriting networking... it doesnt in intrepid... but for now a fix is just to add the networking details there
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| 09:40 | <tostado> and run sp-update-image again i suppose
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| 09:40 | <Nubae> so this line: auto eth0 inet dhcp
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| 09:41 | wait... let me double check that
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| 09:41 | <tostado> auto lo
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| 09:41 | iface lo inet loopback
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| 09:41 | auto eth0
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| 09:41 | iface eth0 inet dhcp
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| 09:41 | <Nubae> right :-)
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| 09:42 | then rebuild image yeah
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| 09:42 | <tostado> puh, this damn mksquashfs...
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| 09:42 | <Nubae> yeah... u can turn nbd off and use nfs
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| 09:42 | <tostado> even on my murder fast dualcore server it takes minutes
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| 09:42 | <Nubae> then u dont have to rebuild, but hopefully this is the last time
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| 09:42 | <tostado> ok ;)
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| 09:43 | so you suppose to use nfs rather than nbd for /home ?
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| 09:53 | ahhh... now it hangs after Loading Hardware drivers...
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| 09:55 | is it ok that it boots nbi.img ?
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| 09:57 | <johnny> hmm..
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| 09:57 | bzr gedit integration... interesting..
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| 10:09 | <Nubae> if it hangs, its probably not finding the nfs server
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| 10:09 | yeah /home is mounted over nfs
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| 10:10 | <tostado> but before it went further...
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| 10:13 | so what can i do ?
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| 10:13 | <johnny> burn all computers
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| 10:13 | <tostado> ;)
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| 10:14 | * johnny has yet to use Nubae's new fun stuff yet | |
| 10:14 | * johnny is happy with what Nubae does tho | |
| 10:14 | <johnny> ok.. so .. bzr.eclass finally made it into portage, this makes me happy :)
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| 10:15 | now.. i just need to get some shmuck to fix up genkernel :(
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| 10:15 | that's the most annoying thing to try to deal with atm
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| 10:15 | <Nubae> well... wehre is it getting stuck?
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| 10:18 | tostado: check to see if it stops at nfs or portmap
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| 10:24 | <tostado> ok
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| 10:25 | the last service is Starting NFS common utilities...
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| 10:25 | (i now have the network/interfaces at its original state)
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| 10:25 | <Nubae> it must be with the changes u made though... it wont work without that
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| 10:26 | edit /etc/nfs.sh or whatever its called in the chroot
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| 10:26 | <tostado> hmm... but with the changes i made it hangs very early
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| 10:27 | hmmm ok
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| 10:27 | <Nubae> and make sure /etc/init.d/portmap restart and /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart are in there
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| 10:27 | that should take care of the nfs part....
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| 10:29 | <tostado> but /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart on the client ?
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| 10:31 | <Nubae> oh shit sorry
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| 10:31 | nfs-common restart
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| 10:34 | <Nubae> u switched bluetooth off right?
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| 10:34 | in /etc/default/bluetooth?
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| 10:43 | <johnny> why should bluetooth be on ?
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| 10:44 | shouldn't it only turn on.. if you have a bluetooth device plugged in?
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| 10:45 | <Nubae> no stupid thin turns on by default
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| 10:45 | in hardy
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| 10:45 | in intrepid its fine
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| 10:45 | all these are hardy problems
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| 10:47 | <tostado> so if i'm stuck here with hardy i could change to intrepid...
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| 10:48 | <Nubae> it would make it work out of the box
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| 10:48 | <tostado> ok. i think i try this.
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| 10:48 | <Nubae> i intend to fix the hardy script, but I need more hours in the day
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| 10:49 | <tostado> nevermind. i do an intrepid install
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| 10:49 | do you think dist-upgrade will do also or should i install a fresh intrepid ?
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| 10:50 | <Nubae> should work fine
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| 11:22 | <tostado> uname ubuntu-desktop
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| 11:22 | sorry
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| 12:32 | <tostado> nubae: ok, i updated to intrepid
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| 12:33 | <tostado> first boot look good, can login, but the apps still run on the server
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| 12:36 | <Nubae> tostado: check: http://www.nubae.com and click on the fatclient link
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| 12:36 | it describes there how to set up dhcpd.conf
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| 12:38 | <ltsppbot> "tost." pasted "dhcp.conf" (28 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/75
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| 12:39 | <tostado> the client boots /ltsp/amd64fat/nbi.img
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| 12:41 | wait: i tried the console
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| 12:41 | and there i am on the client :)
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| 12:42 | but the gnome session runs on the server, and with that also apps that i start from gnome-terminal
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| 12:45 | <Nubae> take out the second part of your dhcpd.conf file, u already defne the subnet above
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| 12:46 | and if you have a host named pncl1, it must also be in /etc/hosts
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| 12:47 | ¬¬¬
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| 12:48 | Im a little confused
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| 12:48 | either everything runs on the server, or everything on the client, its not possible that it runs some on one side and some on the other
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| 12:53 | <johnny> in hardy that is..
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| 12:58 | <Nubae> without local apps that is
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| 13:07 | <tostado> the second part of the dhcpd.conf is another different subnet
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| 13:08 | 192.168.217.32 and 192.168.217.0
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| 13:08 | pncl1 is in /etc/hosts
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| 13:08 | <tostado> hej i have to go
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| 13:09 | i'm fine at the moment, i dont need gnome, i can do startx via ssh and that runs locally
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| 13:10 | <Nubae> ok, well it should be loading up gdm on the client just fine
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| 13:10 | <tostado> but its strange that via gdm everything graphically runs on the server, three times tested.
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| 13:10 | <Nubae> that is very odd....
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| 13:10 | <tostado> so i will be back on tuesday or so.
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| 13:10 | thanks a lot !!!
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| 13:10 | <Nubae> ok...
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| 15:53 | <toddobryan> I'm on Ubuntu 8.04 with LTSP 5. I'd like to install something on the clients, but have to build it from source. Can I do something like ./configure --prefix=/opt/ltsp/i386/usr/local or is that just not the way to do it?
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| 16:04 | <Ryan52> toddobryan: that should work...but why not just "chroot /opt/ltsp/i386" and do the build in there?
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| 16:09 | <toddobryan> Ryan52: I don't want to install all the necessary dev packages in the thin client filesystem. Am I just being overly conservative?
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| 16:10 | <Ryan52> oh, that makes sense.
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| 16:17 | <jammcq> --prefix prolly won't work. at run time, the app may be expecting to find things relative to whatever you specify for --prefix
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| 16:17 | but at run time, it won't be the same
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| 16:23 | <vagrantc> toddobryan: build a debian package out of it, install it into a repository, and then "apt-get install" it in the chroot.
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| 16:27 | <stgraber> jammcq: hey, btw I wonderd, do we (Francis and I) need to do anything for LTSP BTS (like booking the room ?) or is there enough room not to care about that ? :)
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| 16:32 | <jammcq> stgraber: no need to book the room
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| 16:32 | we've got the whole motel
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| 16:32 | A few days in advance, I'll tell them roughly how many rooms we need and they'll be ready for us
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| 16:32 | <stgraber> ok, cool
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| 16:38 | <vagrantc> stgraber, sbalneav: was the cdpinger segfault bug reported on launchpad?
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| 16:38 | i need to make a case for getting it into debian lenny
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| 16:39 | <stgraber> let me check the changelog, if it's a bug in LP, I added it to the changelog (so it gets automatically closed)
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| 16:39 | <vagrantc> it's not in the changelog
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| 16:40 | <stgraber> so I don't think we have a bug for it, let me check
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| 16:44 | <stgraber> vagrantc: no bugs on LP, I checked both LTSP and ubuntu
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| 16:44 | <toddobryan> vagrantc: I'd love a Debian package. But it's iTALC 1.0.9, and the latest I can find is 1.0.7.
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| 16:45 | <vagrantc> toddobryan: probably not hard to take the packaging from 1.0.7 and update it to 1.0.9, unless they've made major changes.
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| 16:45 | <stgraber> vagrantc: or just backport my package from Ubuntu, it includes all the LTSP magic
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| 16:45 | <vagrantc> toddobryan: ^^ what stgraber says
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| 16:45 | <toddobryan> stgraber: Where are you sticking ICA?
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| 16:46 | <stgraber> toddobryan: I have ica on the thin client and italc on the server
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| 16:46 | <toddobryan> I'd like to have it run locally on the clients, because I have two servers.
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| 16:46 | Cool. I've been trying to figure out how to run the master on my desktop machine so I don't have to bother the servers at all.
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| 16:47 | <stgraber> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuebecTeam/IntrepidParty
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| 16:47 | oops, wrong link :)
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| 16:47 | http://ppa.launchpad.net/edubuntu-italc-devel/ubuntu/pool/main/i/italc/
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| 16:47 | that's the one I wanted ^:)
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| 16:48 | so you can take 0ubuntu3 and rebuild it for Debian, I don't think I have any Ubuntu-specific hack in there
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| 16:50 | <stgraber> hmm, right I didn't look at the backlog
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| 16:50 | toddobryan: so you can just add my PPA to the chroot and install it from there
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| 16:50 | <toddobryan> I'm actually doing it on Ubuntu 8.04.
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| 16:51 | <stgraber> toddobryan: https://edge.launchpad.net/~edubuntu-italc-devel/+archive
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| 16:53 | <toddobryan> stgraber: Thanks a LOT!
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| 17:07 | <toddobryan> stgraber: Do I need to do anything to get ica to run on thin client boot, or does the package handle that?
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| 17:11 | <stgraber> toddobryan: you need START_ITALC=True in lts.conf
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| 17:13 | <toddobryan> Thanks. Sorry if this seems disjointed. I'm running back and forth to the server room.
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| 17:17 | <vagrantc> toddobryan: ssh? :)
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| 17:18 | <toddobryan> vagrantc: You'd think I would have thought of that, wouldn't you? But no, ...
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| 17:18 | OK...safely not running back and forth to the server room.
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| 17:24 | Stupid question...where's the login screen graphic saved?
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| 17:28 | <stgraber> toddobryan: /usr/share/ldm/themes/Ubuntu or something similar (I don't have a thin client around)
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| 18:19 | <toddobryan> stgraber: Do I need to worry about adding Load "record" to the xorg.conf?
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| 18:19 | Or does START_ITALC=True handle that?
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| 19:40 | <Ryan52> vagrantc_: did you figure out the cdpinger seg faulting?
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| 19:40 | <vagrantc_> Ryan52: figure it out?
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| 19:41 | <stgraber> Ryan52: it should be fixed (at least a fix has been uploaded and is now in upstream and Ubuntu)
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| 19:41 | <Ryan52> oh
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| 19:41 | <stgraber> Ryan52: what vagrantc_ was looking for is a bug in LP he can refer to in his changelog
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| 19:42 | <vagrantc_> well, more to refer to the debian-release team... as i don't have any documentation suggesting that it's acutally necessary ... although "fix segfault" looks like A Good Thing.
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| 19:43 | i also added a change to the 0.5.5-1 package so that ubuntu would be able to pull it, and it'd be annoying to have to revert that just to get it into lenny.
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| 19:43 | so i could backport the patch to 0.5.3 (i think it will just apply without changes)
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| 21:06 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 21:10 | <stgraber> hey sbalneav
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| 21:12 | let's see if our small demo computer can handle 50 thin clients :)
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| 21:12 | (with localapps, iTalc and all the new shiny stuff)
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| 22:43 | <kwak> hi, i'm using k12linux (fedora 9), how do I install flash player and java
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| 22:58 | <kwak> hi, i'm using k12linux (fedora 9), how do I install flash player and java
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| 22:59 | <warren> kwak: same way you normally install flash or java on fedora
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| 23:04 | <kwak> warren: for flash is it flash-player or flash-plugin
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| 23:07 | <warren> kwak: go to adobe.com, it has downloads of everytihng you need
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| 23:08 | <kwak> is 3GB of RAM enough for 25 thin clients
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| 23:10 | <sbalneav> !doco
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| 23:10 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "doco" is you can find the link to the latest, and most current upstream documentation at: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 23:10 | <sbalneav> kwak: Check out the sizing section.
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| 23:10 | there's a formula
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| 23:20 | <kwak> i noticed in k12linux, if i entered the wrong username, it keeps on asking for password and there's no button to change the username.
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| 23:20 | <sbalneav> That's right.
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| 23:24 | <stgraber> kwak: you can run 25 clients on 3GB, I'm doing it at the moment, our plan is to put 50 clients on 4GB (with some more services than just LTSP on the server)
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| 23:24 | <kwak> stgraber, what's the CPU
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| 23:24 | <stgraber> I currently have 33 clients on 3GB
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| 23:24 | CoreQuad
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| 23:24 | 2.5Ghz
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| 23:25 | <kwak> maybe that makes the difference, i'm using Xeon Dual 2.8
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| 23:25 | what distro are you using?
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| 23:25 | <stgraber> Ubuntu
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| 23:26 | <kwak> stgrabber, edubuntu?
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| 23:26 | <stgraber> yeah, iTalc showing 37 computers at the same time !!! :)
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| 23:26 | we are using standard Ubuntu + the edubuntu meta packages
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| 23:26 | edubuntu is now an addon on top of Ubuntu
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| 23:26 | <kwak> ic, i tried that couple of months ago, but had speed issues.
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| 23:26 | <stgraber> and LTSP is now an installation option of the Ubuntu alternate CD
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| 23:27 | <kwak> somebody told me to change a setting.
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| 23:27 | but didn't try yet
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| 23:36 | i noticed that ram requirements for server have gone up. before the required RAM is 512MB + 50mb for each client
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| 23:47 | <stgraber> for the first one who pretends that iTalc doesn't scale: http://www.stgraber.org/download/italc-ltsp.png
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