IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 27 November 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:18 | <tallis> hello
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| 02:18 | does every nic support network booting?
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| 02:19 | I am a teacher and I want to set up a Thin-client server
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| 02:19 | and i have to buy 13 1000Mbs NICs
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| 02:20 | but i don't know if they will boot
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| 02:21 | I tried with the onboard nic .. it works fine but it's pretty slow cause it's a Fast Ethernet card
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| 08:52 | <mardok> I'm running LTSP on a Gentoo machine. Is there a way to get the script to download an Ubuntu image instead of Gentoo?
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| 08:54 | I'm sorry, get ltsp-build-client to download an Ubuntu image instead of a Gentoo stage.
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| 09:15 | <Hyperbyte> Why would you want to do that?
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| 09:20 | <mardok> I'm running the server on a PowerPC machine, and the clients are x86
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| 09:21 | <Hyperbyte> Hm... well, sorry if this a dumb question... because I have no experience with Gentoo or Ubuntu whatsoever
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| 09:22 | But what's wrong with letting ltsp-build-client build a Gentoo client root?
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| 09:23 | <mardok> It seems to be hanging when I run ltsp-build-client. Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but I let it run for an hour, and it seems to be doing nothing. No output or anything.
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| 09:25 | <Hyperbyte> And you think letting a client chroot of Ubuntu work together with a server on Gentoo will solve this?
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| 09:26 | To me that seems more like asking for a lot of additional trouble, but I'm quite novice with LTSP... so again my apologies if I say something ignorant. =)
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| 09:26 | I'd start by running ltsp-build-client again and doing a 'ps aux' to find out exactly where it gets stuck
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| 09:26 | <Appiah> alot of people are using lenny ltsp server with ubuntu chroots
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| 09:26 | <Hyperbyte> Really?
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| 09:26 | <mardok> I'm not expecting it to suddenly work, I'm just wondering if there's a 'switch' or a line to edit in one of the configs to switch from Gentoo to Ubuntu.
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| 09:27 | <Hyperbyte> And that just works? That's cool.
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| 09:27 | :)
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| 09:27 | <Appiah> well I've seen people here use it
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| 09:28 | <Hyperbyte> Anyway, the only advice I could give you is to find out where ltsp-build-client gets stuck. ltsp-build-client is a script, not a binary file, so you should be able to find out where exactly it hangs without too much problems.
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| 09:37 | <mardok> Here's one of the outputs from 'ps ux': tar -C /opt/ltsp/x86/x86 -xvpj /opt/ltsp/x86/x86/stage3-x86-current.tar.bz2
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| 09:37 | Seems like I have a misconfiguration somewhere
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| 09:44 | <Hyperbyte> Okay, well, you could add -v to the tar command in the script to get verbose output from it, see if it gives anything useful.
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| 09:44 | And then work from there, you should find the cause of the problems.
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| 09:45 | Maybe ltsp-build-client even keeps some sort of logfile, I don't know.
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| 09:45 | Unfortunately, I have to go. Stick around though, someone else with a lot more knowledge about LTSP might pitch in. :-)
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| 10:07 | <jimishol> trying to make vitualGL running even if server is at gdm logging in i managed to brake desktop effects for my account and lose some privileges as admin. other users had no effect. i created another admin user and his only problem is that gnome-terminal closes imediately after start. i removed my account , erased my files and recreated my account but problem persists. Just before make a format, have anyone any idea for easy fix? txs
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| 10:13 | <uday> I have setup LTSP 5 on lenny. don't know how to configure local apps and local devices. Please help
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| 10:16 | <komunista> uday: try find in ubuntu documentation - wiki
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| 10:16 | ubuntu is good documented and most things works under debian too ;-)
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| 10:17 | <uday> Have it here and now . but will it work for lenny.
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| 10:17 | <komunista> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP
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| 10:17 | <uday> some things are not matching the description,
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| 10:18 | <komunista> maybe because lenny has older LTSP version
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| 10:18 | I never used LTSP under Lenny
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| 10:18 | <uday> also i couln't find exact documentation for ltsp 5 anywhere
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| 10:20 | <komunista> but why do you dont't try squeeze? it is one-two months befere release
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| 10:20 | <uday> in lenny, i checked the version from the synaptic package manager
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| 10:20 | it is 5.1.10-2
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| 10:21 | <komunista> under squeeze it is 5.2.4-2
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| 10:22 | and has ltsp-doc package too
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| 10:22 | <uday> then i think i must
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| 10:22 | try squeeze
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| 10:22 | <komunista> I am using squeeze for LTSP from june this year
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| 10:23 | <uday> inspired to hear this
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| 10:23 | really!!
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| 10:24 | i'm trying to setup LTSP for students for net browsing
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| 10:24 | <komunista> I am using it in my class on secundary shool
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| 10:24 | <uday> for 15 to 20 clients
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| 10:25 | <komunista> and network?
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| 10:25 | <uday> here in india i hope it is not possible at least by now
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| 10:25 | <komunista> LAN network :-)
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| 10:25 | <uday> yes
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| 10:25 | <komunista> nentwork speed 100Mb or 1Gb?
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| 10:25 | <uday> LAN of course
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| 10:25 | 1Gbps
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| 10:26 | <komunista> no problem for < 20 clients - I have 100Mb and bandwitch is cca 30 Mb/s
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| 10:26 | <uday> purchased clients with 512 MB and dual core cpu
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| 10:26 | <komunista> nice :-)
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| 10:26 | I have 256 MB RAM and 800 Mhz CPU
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| 10:27 | <uday> but confused on server specs
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| 10:27 | <komunista> only grafic cards are my problem :-(
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| 10:27 | I have 4 x 2GB Intel Xeon with 4 GB RAM and two NIC
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| 10:28 | cca 50% resources are unused ;-)
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| 10:28 | <uday> how many clients?
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| 10:28 | <komunista> 15
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| 10:28 | <uday> works fine ?
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| 10:28 | do you use it for internet or teaching
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| 10:29 | <komunista> all works, but clients hve slow graffic card and no video
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| 10:29 | internet, teaching, all things
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| 10:29 | <uday> but can't play video files??
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| 10:30 | <komunista> no, 100Mb network is small for vide
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| 10:30 | *video
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| 10:30 | one fullscreen (1024 x 768) video takes 50Mb/s and more...
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| 10:36 | <uday> presently i'm using lenny at home -- simple P4 2.8GHz with 1GB RAM and a laptop as client a video takes nearly 12 Mb/s
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| 10:37 | but sound comes from server
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| 10:38 | <komunista> eh, I don know write it in english... :-P
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| 10:38 | I have snmp monitoring enabled and I see 5min average NIC usage
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| 10:38 | <uday> right now i'm using lenny at home
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| 10:38 | <komunista> I take information from this monitoring...
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| 10:39 | <uday> i'm watching at system monitor's resources tab
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| 10:42 | i'm confused about server's specs
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| 10:42 | should i choose a xeon or a quad core or core i7 would be fine?
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| 10:48 | <komunista> it depends which apps you will be using :-)
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| 10:48 | but for me 4 cores are enough
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| 10:49 | no more than 20 - 25% CPU usage...
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| 10:49 | no more than 0.5-1 1 min load average
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| 10:52 | <uday> that is why i'm trying for local apps
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| 10:52 | i don't know what's fat/lowfat clients !
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| 10:54 | i want to use firefox with flash, openoffice, educational packages and video
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| 10:58 | <komunista> fat client has most of aplications as locall apps
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| 10:58 | thin client has most apps on server
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| 10:59 | <uday> i think with my client specs, fat client will be useful
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| 10:59 | <komunista> yes
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| 10:59 | but maintenance of thin clients is pretty simplest
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| 11:00 | I update/set apps on server and all client are changed :-P
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| 11:00 | but my clients are light
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| 11:04 | <uday> yesterday i tried with router attached to the switch
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| 11:04 | server was core2duo
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| 11:05 | with 1 GB RAM
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| 11:05 | 750MB swap
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| 11:05 | clients were dual core 2.4 GHz
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| 11:06 | and 24 clients were there
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| 11:06 | RAM and swap were being used to the full
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| 11:07 | then browsing slowed down
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| 11:07 | i added 2GB more swap
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| 11:08 | <uday> and thing were responding but were very slow for browsing
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| 11:09 | alkisg: Hi
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| 11:09 | <alkisg> Hello
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| 11:10 | <uday> i later found out that it was the problem of internet speed
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| 11:10 | it is 512 Kbps
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| 11:10 | <uday> shared with all 45 machines in the institute
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| 11:50 | <alkisg> !fatclients
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| 11:50 | uday, yup, I think fatclients would be a good match for your lab. I
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| 11:50 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: "fatclients" :: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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| 11:50 | <alkisg> 'm not sure about their state in debian though...
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| 11:50 | To speed up the internet, try squid
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| 11:56 | <uday> i suppose and also i found that i need to develop my linux skills for using squid
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| 12:24 | <komunista> squid maybe can help
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| 12:25 | I has squid and and inspect diference between incoming traffic from internet and outgoing (from squid) to LAN
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| 12:25 | the difference was less than 5% - by dynamic pages...
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| 12:25 | *can't help
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