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Channel log from 2 June 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:34 | <NeonLicht> Is it possible to use local printers on thin clients? and, is it possible to print on them from other clients?
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| 04:15 | <alkisg> NeonLicht: yes, see the ltsp docs: http://www.ltsp.org/~sbalneav/LTSPManual.html#printer
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| 07:06 | <stgraber> ogra: btw, in case you haven't noticed I've split with vagrant's help ldm-ubuntu-themes to a separate source package and the themes in 4 different binary packages. That should help for CD space.
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| 07:06 | <ogra> i did !
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| 07:06 | vagrants name on karmic-changes doesnt pass me unnoticed ! :)
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| 07:07 | his first official mentioning in an ubuntu upload
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| 07:07 | <stgraber> yeah :)
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| 07:07 | just need to get an archive admin to allow everything to enter back in main and that should work :)
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| 07:08 | and an ACL change so I can then upload updated ldm-ubuntu-themes ;)
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| 07:08 | <ogra> shouldnt be a prob since its just a split
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| 07:12 | <_UsUrPeR_> morning! :D
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| 07:35 | <stgraber> _UsUrPeR_: is alex around ?
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| 07:36 | <_UsUrPeR_> stgraber: he will not be in for a bit today. I'll let him know you're looking for him, though.
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| 07:36 | <stgraber> _UsUrPeR_: ok, thanks
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| 08:48 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:49 | <alkisg> !s
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| 08:49 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:49 | <matttttt> morning
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| 08:58 | <CAN-o-SPAM> stgraber: ping
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| 09:00 | <stgraber> CAN-o-SPAM: pong
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| 09:41 | <stgraber> ogra: ping
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| 09:42 | <ogra> pong
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| 09:42 | <stgraber> ogra: who's the copyright holder for the backgrounds in ldm-ubuntu-themes
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| 09:42 | <ogra> me i guess
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| 09:42 | <ogra> unless they changed from my initial ones
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| 09:43 | <stgraber> my upload got rejected because of missing copyright informations ...
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| 09:43 | ogra: what license ?
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| 09:43 | <ogra> humm
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| 09:43 | who rejected them ?
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| 09:43 | <stgraber> Riddell
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| 09:43 | <ogra> they are plain colored rectangular pngs
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| 09:44 | <stgraber> yeah and they already were in the archive ...
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| 09:44 | anyway, what license should I mention in the copyright file so Riddell is happy ? ;)
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| 09:44 | <ogra> whatever we use for wallpapers, no idea ... i really dont feel like plain colored rectangles need copyrights :P
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| 09:45 | <stgraber> ok CCBYSA that'll be then ;)
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| 09:45 | <ogra> fine
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| 09:45 | what a waste of time :P
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| 09:45 | <stgraber> yeah ...
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| 09:49 | <ogra> stgraber, note that its <ogra@canonical.com> Canonical LTD.
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| 09:49 | <stgraber> argh, I put @ubuntu.com :(
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| 09:50 | <ogra> i did it on work time, ubuntu.com works too, but Canonical Ltd. needs to be mentioned
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| 09:53 | <stgraber> 10:48 < Riddell> stgraber: full copy of CC included?
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| 09:53 | 10:48 < Riddell> copyright mentioned for ubuntu and variant logos?
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| 09:54 | ...
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| 09:54 | <ogra> sigh
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| 09:54 | <stgraber> I really like wasting my time for that ...
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| 09:54 | <Lumiere> just remember you're wasting your time
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| 09:55 | so they don't get Canonical laywers chewing on their rears
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| 09:55 | <stgraber> Lumiere: well, in these case we're the copyright owners ourselves so ...
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| 09:56 | <Lumiere> yes, but they need to have that information
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| 09:56 | when some other lame lawyer comes with a hatchet
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| 09:57 | <ogra> then it all boils down to the person who added the stuff
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| 09:57 | which in the end is a canonical employee ...
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| 09:58 | <stgraber> ogra: where can I find that license for copy/pasting it's not on the system and their website is confusing ...
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| 09:59 | <ogra> ubuntu-artwork package ?
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| 09:59 | just use whatever is used in there
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| 10:01 | <stgraber> and now that ubuntu logo ...
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| 10:01 | <ogra> same license, its in ubuntu-artwork, no ?
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| 10:02 | <stgraber> oh, indeed, great :)
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| 10:07 | <ogra> debian/copyright from ubuntu-artwork should apply to all logos
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| 10:08 | <stgraber> ok, this one should be good but it really becomes stupid for a copyright file to be 314 lines long ...
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| 10:08 | <ogra> just copy paste it, add me for the solid color wallpapers and be done
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| 10:08 | s/add me/add me to the authors/
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| 10:09 | <stgraber> that's basically what I did, separate the authors for the various themes and logos by copy/pasting from ubuntu-artwork and what I got from the author of the ubuntu one
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| 10:10 | <ogra> Copyright:
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| 10:10 | Copyright 2004-2006 Canonical Ltd.
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| 10:10 | | |
| 10:10 | http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/TrademarkPolicy
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| 10:10 | thats the important bit for the logos
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| 10:10 | the rest is mine
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| 10:11 | <stgraber> http://paste.ubuntu.com/186602/
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| 10:28 | <ogra> stgraber, i dont think the authors have anything to do with the logo
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| 10:29 | (line 28 to 30)
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| 10:29 | <stgraber> ogra: well, they were in the author file just next to the logo in ubuntu-artwork so ...
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| 10:29 | <ogra> well, the logos are all Copyright 2004-2006 Canonical Ltd.
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| 10:29 | *all* of them
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| 10:29 | (you dont mention the x,ed,kubuntu ones
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| 10:30 | )
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| 10:30 | http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/TrademarkPolicy needs to be in there
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| 10:30 | hmm, 2004-2009 indeed
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| 10:31 | ignore the authors they apply to the ubuntu-artwork package, not to the logo
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| 10:32 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Official
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| 10:59 | <mib_w087u4> greetings!
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| 11:00 | <bieb> I am looking into trying to get a school to use LTSP... can MS office be served with Wine? or CodeWeavers? from the ltsp server?
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| 11:01 | <mib_w087u4> I hope there is someone that can lend me a bit of a hand. I am trying to make a virtual machine network boot installer. I have the network boot part working. but how do i instead of just doing net boot get it to install over network?
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| 11:01 | this is on ubuntu 9
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| 11:02 | <johnny> bieb, why? ready to pay for license for each usage?
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| 11:02 | mib_w087u4, that's not ltsp.. there are plenty of tutorials for install over network
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| 11:02 | search of netinstall
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| 11:03 | <mib_w087u4> have you googled that term yourself lately?
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| 11:03 | <johnny> sure
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| 11:03 | <mib_w087u4> its like looking for an opinion everyone has one version of it.
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| 11:03 | <johnny> and?
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| 11:03 | <sbalneav> mib_w087u4: this might be useful
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| 11:03 | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/
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| 11:04 | <johnny> i just searched for ubuntu netinstall .. found good results right away
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| 11:04 | <sbalneav> Or this
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| 11:04 | http://mediakey.dk/~cc/ubuntu-netboot-and-netinstall-with-pxe/
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| 11:04 | <bieb> johnny: We already have the per seat licensing
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| 11:04 | <johnny> bieb, .. sure .. then you could
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| 11:05 | it'll just work
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| 11:05 | <sbalneav> bieb: I beleive msword and excel are both certified to work with codeweavers
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| 11:05 | <johnny> oh wait.. i forgot the critical part.. the local wine install directory :(
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| 11:05 | <sbalneav> And, by extention, should work with wine
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| 11:05 | <johnny> sbalneav, i wonder when they are going to allow to install apps in /opt/wine/Program Files
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| 11:05 | altho a symlink would help i guess
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| 11:06 | <mib_w087u4> Curiouse what is the differance between ltsp and pxe?
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| 11:06 | <johnny> ltsp uses pxe
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| 11:06 | often anyways
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| 11:06 | <sbalneav> johnny: yeah, I've done that in the past. I just install the program for a "shared" user, then manage things with symlinks
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| 11:06 | <mib_w087u4> ok so how is netboot / net install not something covered by ltsp?
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| 11:06 | <johnny> sbalneav, sure.. but they should support it
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| 11:06 | <bieb> ok.. should I use Wine? or Codeweavers?
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| 11:06 | <johnny> ltsp does cover netbooted ltsp
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| 11:07 | bieb, find out what works good enough.. try free wine.. if it's not good enough try codeweavers
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| 11:07 | <sbalneav> mib_w087u4: because the ltsp project is about providing a thin client solution, not a netinstall solution.
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| 11:07 | <bieb> ok..
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| 11:07 | <johnny> i'm glad my users are happy enough with openoffice. and i don't have to worry about licensing
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| 11:08 | <mib_w087u4> openoffice is a great program for the money :)
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| 11:08 | <johnny> no.. it's a great program in general
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| 11:08 | i don't run windows.. so it is very helpful
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| 11:08 | <bieb> in the header message of this channel it says to check out Ubuntu/debian/Fedora, for awesome integration.. any good links for Ubuntu??
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| 11:08 | <mib_w087u4> the UI is a bit clunky for the spreadsheets.
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| 11:08 | <ogra> !ubuntu
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| 11:08 | <ltspbot`> ogra: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 11:08 | <johnny> !ogra
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| 11:08 | <ltspbot`> johnny: "ogra" is ogra!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 11:08 | <johnny> hehe
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| 11:08 | <ogra> :)
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| 11:09 | <mib_w087u4> lol people just have to have bots.
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| 11:09 | i remember how much fun i used to have re-programming bots.
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| 11:09 | <bieb> johnny: this project is for a Law School... the students have to turn in papers and such with Word, Excel, Powerpoint. If I was able to change all the faculty (and outside publishers) over to OOo I would
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| 11:11 | <johnny> bieb, then you're gonna have to setup symlinks
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| 11:11 | in /etc/skel
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| 11:11 | to point to a local installed directory
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| 11:11 | <bieb> the only other issue I have to resolve is the "pay for print software"
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| 11:11 | <johnny> for Program Files
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| 11:12 | <cyberorg> bieb, word/excel etc are names of the programmes that do word processing/spreadsheets, same as ford, vw etc are the names of cars
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| 11:12 | <johnny> hello cyberorg !
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| 11:12 | <bieb> no kidding cyberorg
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| 11:12 | <cyberorg> you dont have to convert anyone, they will still be doing spreadsheets and wordprocessing
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| 11:13 | not like you are asking them to use gimp in place of wordprocessor :)
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| 11:13 | hi johnny, et al :)
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| 11:15 | <bieb> publishers for Law journals and such wont accept anything that isn't in Word (not even Word Perfect anymore). And I know you can save OOo documents as .doc, but the formatting is not always the same. Trust me you are preaching to the choir.. I have told students in the past to go get OOo and even StarOffice back in the day.
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| 11:15 | <cyberorg> bieb, pdf?
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| 11:15 | <bieb> they wont take .pdf
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| 11:15 | they are a bunch of pricks when it comes to moving into the future
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| 11:15 | <alkisg> Word 2007?
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| 11:15 | :P
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| 11:16 | <cyberorg> so give them .doc, .xls, ooo saves in that format too ;)
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| 11:16 | <sbalneav> bieb: If you're interested, I work for Legal Aid Manitoba, and we use nothing but OpenOffice.org
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| 11:16 | We send documents in both word and pdf with no difficulty.
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| 11:16 | <bieb> you damn Canadians... always thinking forward.. :P
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| 11:17 | <alkisg> I don't think putting wine in /opt will be a trivial task, because the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE registry key should go in /opt but HKEY_CURRENT_USER should stay in ~/.wine. The same for C:\Program files as opposed to C:\Documents and settings\user.
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| 11:19 | <cyberorg> stgraber, if you guys copyright rectangles will we still be allowed to use it? :)
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| 11:19 | <ogra> wordstar FTW !!
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| 11:20 | <cyberorg> ogra, vi/emags?
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| 11:20 | *emacs
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| 11:43 | <alkisg> ...hackity hackity hack: FULLPATH="$(cd $(dirname "$0") && pwd)/$(basename "$0")"
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| 11:46 | <mib_w087u4> wow lol i have ben trying to install ubuntu over network to a vmware machine i never made a hard drive for.
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| 11:46 | maybe i should focus more on getting some sleep at night.
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| 11:47 | <matttttt> heh
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| 11:52 | <mib_w087u4> I will say though using vmware to prototype things is so usefull. Right now i am trying to see if my install works and i am honestly not 100% sure if ts working or just writing over my functional syste,... but if it does i can go back to the last snapshot :)
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| 12:27 | <Lns> Does anyone know any hard general numbers of LTSP installs around the world? Is the LTSP wiki the only place where people have recorded 'success stories' ?
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| 12:27 | <bieb> anyone know of a good "pay for print" system that I can install on LTSP?
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| 12:28 | <Lns> bieb, hmm, that'd probably be something more general to Linux, not LTSP specific..
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| 12:28 | <bieb> ok
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| 12:29 | <Lns> greets vagrantc
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| 12:29 | <ogra> vagrantc, !
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| 12:29 | <Lns> and ogra !
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| 12:29 | <ogra> vagrantc, the new ubuntu uploader !
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| 12:29 | <Lns> whaaaa...
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| 12:30 | <ogra> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/karmic-changes/2009-June/001924.html :)
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| 12:30 | <vagrantc> ogra: heh
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| 12:32 | stgraber actually did make changes i didn't make... but the basic jist is mine :)
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| 12:32 | <Lns> hehe
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| 12:33 | <ogra> you should have picked a new description for ldm-server though :)
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| 12:33 | <vagrantc> well, the description isn't accurate with the changes stgraber made
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| 12:34 | <ogra> i mean "ldm-server - LTSP display manager"
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| 12:34 | <vagrantc> ah, sure. will catch that sometime.
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| 12:35 | <ogra> anyway, calling it a day ... bye all
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| 12:36 | <syn`> ogra: are you going to be around another time? I wanted to talk to you about the whole tcm-ng thing
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| 12:38 | <Lns> CAN-o-SPAM, http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/prod/documentation/faq.html#whoLTSP - a billion seats? really?
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| 12:40 | <johnny> that's a seat for a 1/6 or 1/7 of the entire world population hehe
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| 12:40 | <Lns> that's a lot of LTSP!
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| 12:41 | <syn`> yeah, that number seems a bit high
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| 12:49 | <CAN-o-SPAM> ahaha
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| 12:49 | whoops
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| 12:49 | we're just trying to beat NComputing ... come on guys!
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| 12:57 | <Lns> CAN-o-SPAM, ;)
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| 12:57 | CAN-o-SPAM, do you have a more realistic number? I'm putting together an OOo presentation on LTSP to use with a talk I'm doing tonight at a local sysadmin's group meeting
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| 13:00 | hrm..ncomputing looks interesting. Unique idea...not sure how it could scale better than normal workstations as far as administration
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| 13:00 | well, not a very unique idea i guess, since *nix has been doing it for forever
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| 13:00 | unique product
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| 13:12 | <CAN-o-SPAM> Lns: i don't ... that part of the FAQ page was an internal joke, in updating our site looks like we grabbed an old copy
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| 13:12 | Lns: i know that you can say thousands of desktops easily
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| 13:12 | <Lns> CAN-o-SPAM, ok cool =) thx
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| 13:12 | <johnny> sure.. proably at least 100K
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| 13:13 | maybe 200K
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| 13:13 | * CAN-o-SPAM thinks we will be just like McDonalds one day with over 1,000,000,000 served! | |
| 13:13 | <Lns> hopefully minus the stomach aches!
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| 13:14 | <CAN-o-SPAM> or the michael moore movie, haha
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| 13:15 | <Lns> CAN-o-SPAM, haha..that wasn't michael moore, but close
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| 13:15 | supersize my thin client
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| 13:15 | a.k.a. how i came up with the 'fat client' concept
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| 13:17 | <johnny> uggh.. i want kernel mode setting on my nv32 :(
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| 13:17 | err nv34
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| 13:17 | GIMME
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| 13:17 | doesn't work quite yet tho
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| 13:30 | <jammcq> hello friends
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| 13:33 | <Lns> hey jammcq, ltsp co-founder
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| 13:33 | <sbalneav> Hey jammcq
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| 13:33 | <jammcq> hey lns
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| 13:33 | Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 13:34 | sbalneav: hey, I watched another episode of ice road trucker last night :)
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| 13:34 | <Lns> that show is pretty cool, for a reality show ;)
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| 13:34 | <jammcq> yeah, I hate reality shows, but somehow, I enjoy watching that one
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| 13:35 | <sbalneav> Your reality show, my reality :)
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| 13:35 | <jammcq> yeah, maybe that's why I like watching it
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| 13:35 | <Lns> sbalneav, you're an ice road trucker, eh?
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| 13:36 | <johnny> uggh.. canadians
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| 13:36 | hehe
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| 13:44 | <sbalneav> http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2006/01/13/winter-roads060113.html
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| 13:45 | Lns: Nope, but I had to drive on one once into Puckatawagan
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| 13:45 | Tadoule lake's really gonna get hit hard by climate change.
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| 13:56 | <Lns> sbalneav, woah
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| 13:57 | looks like you're a great person to speak of the benefits thin clients offsetting climate change :)
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| 13:58 | <sbalneav> "Use LTSP or the people of Tadoule lake will STARVE TO DEATH!!!"
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| 13:58 | Nah, too wordy for a motto
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| 13:59 | <CAN-o-SPAM> sbalneav: hows the weather there this time of year?
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| 14:00 | <sbalneav> Miserable
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| 14:00 | It's been one of the coldest springs on record
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| 14:00 | cold and wet.
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| 14:00 | <Lns> heh
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| 14:01 | * CAN-o-SPAM thinks wrong question | |
| 14:01 | <Lns> I'm not sure if it was Puckatawagan or not but I was listening to a radio talk with a native from somewhere that was curiously similar in name, they were talking about climate change
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| 14:02 | for humans to survive, we need 2 things: a global change in consciousness, and...of course, LTSP!
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| 14:02 | <sbalneav> I *notice* climate change. It cold when it shouldn't be. Hot when it shouldn't be. More wet than it should be. Etc.
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| 14:02 | Well, everyone needs ltsp.
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| 14:02 | <Lns> True.
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| 14:45 | <gort242z> Hello. I'm trying to build 5 on RHEL4.5. build_all fails on glibc. I'm trying to get an idea as to why but the error file doesn't seem to be too revealing.
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| 14:45 | any clues on how to get more info from the build process so I can debug this?
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| 14:46 | <johnny> huh?
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| 14:46 | <sbalneav> gort242z: Building 5? Or 4.2?
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| 14:46 | <johnny> build_all of what?
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| 14:46 | <gort242z> Building 5.
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| 14:46 | the entire lbe/ltsp pkg.
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| 14:46 | <sbalneav> gort242z: lbe isn't 5
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| 14:47 | that's 4.2
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| 14:47 | <gort242z> ooooooookie.
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| 14:47 | <sbalneav> Where did you download the source from?
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| 14:48 | <gort242z> cvs
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| 14:49 | <sbalneav> yeah, that's definitely 4.2
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| 14:49 | I beleive there
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| 14:49 | 's fedora packages for ltsp5
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| 14:49 | might those work for you?
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| 14:50 | You could download the srpms and try recompiling those.
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| 14:50 | <gort242z> I can try them - but I'd rather just go from source.
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| 14:50 | ah - okay.
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| 14:50 | <sbalneav> if you want to go from source, ltsp is kept in bzr in launchpad
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| 14:51 | bzr branch lp:~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk
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| 14:51 | bzr branch lp:~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ldm-trunk
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| 15:50 | <Gadi> so, I just installed jaunty and apt-get installed virt-manager and kvm killed my networking
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| 15:51 | ... swing an a miss
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| 15:51 | *and
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| 15:51 | :)
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| 22:21 | <try2free> hi
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| 22:42 | <sbalneav> Hello
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| 22:50 | <try2free> sbalneav: can you help me?
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| 22:50 | i set lts.conf for using old monitor now if i logout screen goes blank why?
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| 22:54 | <sbalneav> try2free: Don't know. Could you tell me a bit more about your setup?
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| 22:55 | <try2free> XSERVER = VESA
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| 22:55 | X_VIDEORAM = 4096
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| 22:55 | X_COLOR_DEPTH = 16
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| 22:55 | X_MODE_0 = 800x600 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync
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| 22:55 | that's on lts.conf
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| 22:59 | <stgraber> sbalneav: hey, btw found a funny issue
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| 23:00 | sbalneav: remember that our Xauthory is in /var/run/ldm-xauth ?
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| 23:00 | the issue is that the locking procedure for Xauthority is to write a <filename>- file as a lock but of course the user doesn't have right access to /var/run/
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| 23:00 | so anything requiring locking on Xauthority fails :)
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| 23:01 | <try2free> sbalneav: can you figure out why?
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| 23:14 | <sbalneav> try2free: No, sorry. What version of LTSP are you using?
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| 23:15 | stgraber: We used to write things in /tmp for this reason.
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| 23:15 | <alkisg> (morning all) stgraber: I'll be going to the school with the ldm-hanging-on-logout problem in half an hour, do you want me to test sbalneav's patch?
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| 23:16 | <sbalneav> I'd suggest either moving Xauthority back to there, or alternatively, creating a /var/ldm directory with 1777 permissions
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| 23:19 | <alkisg> try2free: distro/version?
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| 23:23 | <sbalneav> try2free: Which version of LTSP are you using, on what distro of linux?
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| 23:26 | <try2free> ubuntu 8.04
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| 23:26 | how to know ltsp version?
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| 23:26 | <sbalneav> Well, if it's 8.04, it's probably ltsp5
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| 23:27 | Do you get a login screen?
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| 23:27 | <try2free> yes, i can login with no problem
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| 23:27 | but if logout get blank screen
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| 23:28 | * alkisg suggests this for try2free and leaves for school: | |
| 23:28 | <ltsppbot> "alkisg" pasted "Custom X_HORZSYNC/X_VERTREFRESH" (6 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/365
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| 23:29 | <try2free> alkisg: thanks i'll try first... now
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| 23:29 | <alkisg> Ooops actually X_RANDR wansn't there in 8.10, replace it with X_MODE_0=800x600
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| 23:29 | Bye all
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| 23:29 | Eerm... 8.04 I meant
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| 23:30 | <sbalneav> try2free: If you bump up the video ram to something larger, does that help?
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| 23:31 | <try2free> 8192?
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| 23:31 | let me try
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| 23:31 | <sbalneav> Might try that.
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| 23:32 | <johnny> scott, hello
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| 23:33 | <stgraber> sbalneav: welll, IIRC we added the pid to that file so we could have more than one ldm
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| 23:33 | sbalneav: my suggestion would be to make /var/run/ldm-xauth-xyz a directory owned by the current user (changed by a ldm rc script) and then have the Xauthority inside it
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| 23:33 | makes sense ?
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| 23:33 | <try2free> alkisg : same, i'll try sbalneav instructions now
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| 23:34 | <sbalneav> stgraber: Seems ok.
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| 23:34 | Hello johnny
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| 23:36 | <stgraber> ok, going for some sleep now (just did an iTalc stability debugging and fix, so need some sleep ;)). See you tomorrow.
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| 23:36 | <try2free> sbalneav: still, blank screen after logout
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| 23:36 | sbalneav: i am using old monitor
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| 23:38 | <sbalneav> When it's sitting at the black screen, what happens if you type ctl-alt-backspace?
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| 23:38 | <try2free> somebody know how to set clock in login screen? because it's not syncronnize with server
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| 23:39 | sbalneav: keep blank screen
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| 23:40 | <sbalneav> can you ctl-alt-f1?
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| 23:40 | <try2free> sbalneav: seems like blank screen and computer hang/not responding?
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| 23:40 | sbalneav: same condition
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| 23:41 | <sbalneav> Then the computer's actually hung up.
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| 23:41 | Is this all machines you have doing this, or only one thin client?
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| 23:42 | <try2free> only this client and with old monitor
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| 23:42 | if using new monitor no problem at all
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| 23:42 | <johnny> blame the monitor
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| 23:42 | get a new one :)
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| 23:43 | <sbalneav> With a new one, do you use the vesa driver, or just the autodetected driver?
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| 23:43 | <try2free> sbalneav: autodetect
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| 23:44 | sbalneav: can you help me with clock in login screen?
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| 23:44 | sbalneav: how to syncronize with server clock?
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| 23:44 | <sbalneav> Then I'd say it's probably a bug in the vesa driver that's hanging the machine up.
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| 23:45 | there's no synchronization from the server clock.
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| 23:45 | No one's written one.
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| 23:45 | It just gets the clock from the bios.
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| 23:45 | <try2free> sbalneav: why my clock different in login screen?
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| 23:45 | sbalneav: so my bios time is incorrect?
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| 23:46 | <loather-work> you could run ntpd on the terminals.
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| 23:46 | or alternatively have it ntpdate some ntp server on boot.
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| 23:46 | <sbalneav> try2free: correct.
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| 23:46 | <loather-work> but that's kinda hackish
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| 23:46 | <sbalneav> loather-work: well, no.
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| 23:46 | <try2free> sbalneav: thanks, see you
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| 23:47 | <sbalneav> Setting the clock on a thin client shouldn't be an "ltsp" problem, per se.
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| 23:48 | <loather-work> no, it shouldn't per se, but if having accurate time is important then it might be worthwhile to hack ntpd into the ltsp chroot.
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| 23:48 | always something the individual user can do if they need that functionality.
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| 23:49 | <sbalneav> right.
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| 23:49 | <try2free> sbalneav: i see my bios time is correct. i mean my welcome login screen clock different with server
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| 23:49 | <sbalneav> try2free: define "different"?
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| 23:49 | how MUCH different?
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| 23:49 | minutes? hours? how many hours?
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| 23:50 | <loather-work> bbl.
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| 23:50 | <try2free> now my server time 11.45am and my ltsp client 6.45pm
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| 23:51 | something like that
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| 23:51 | range about 6 hours
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| 23:51 | <johnny> and your bios time is?
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| 23:51 | sounds like a difference between local time and gmt
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| 23:52 | my clocks are always gmt
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| 23:52 | in the bios
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| 23:52 | <loather-work> 6:45 PM would be about accurate in CEST
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| 23:52 | <sbalneav> try2free: then I'd say the timezone isn't set correctly in the chroot.
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| 23:52 | <try2free> and my bios time is about 11.45am same with server
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| 23:52 | <johnny> and GMT would be?
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| 23:52 | <try2free> sbalneav: how to figure out?
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| 23:52 | <sbalneav> either that, or the chroot's configured to look at the bios clock as if it was set to UTC.
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| 23:53 | <johnny> yeah
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| 23:53 | <try2free> johnny: i don't know about setting GMT
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| 23:53 | <loather-work> johnny: -2 hours from CEST. (so about 4:52PM)
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| 23:53 | <sbalneav> try2free: try setting your bios clock to the current time UTC
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| 23:53 | <johnny> ah
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| 23:53 | that's big diff then
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| 23:53 | wrong
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| 23:54 | <loather-work> anyhow, really leaving. bbl.
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| 23:55 | <sbalneav> bye loather-work
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