IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 4 December 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:51 | <alkisg> !test
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| 00:51 | <ltspbot> alkisg: Error: "test" is not a valid command.
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| 00:51 | <alkisg> !test is <reply> testing
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| 00:51 | <ltspbot> alkisg: Error: "test" is not a valid command.
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| 00:51 | <alkisg> !learn test as <reply> testing
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| 00:51 | <alkisg> !test
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| 00:51 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "test" :: <reply> testing
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| 00:51 | <alkisg> !forget test
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| 02:24 | <pts> Hi all. Anyone know where I can find some good and thourogh documentation on LTSP-Cluster?
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| 02:24 | all I can find are some howtos that don't explain things to well
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| 06:40 | <antgel> hi all. do i remember correctly that if installing ltsp onto a network with another DHCP server (that will continue to exist) that dnsmasq is a better option than dhcpd?
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| 06:40 | basically, i want ltsp clients to work with a different DHCP server than "normal" clients
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| 06:43 | aha https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
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| 06:48 | <alkisg> antgel, yup, proxydhcp is fine for this case.
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| 06:49 | <antgel> actually, have just been told that we're migrating ltsp clients to another subnet, so i don't need to worry about this at all \o/. thanks alkisg for confirming
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| 07:51 | <shawnp0wers> ltsp-cluster is kicking my arse
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| 07:51 | Just sayin
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| 07:51 | <Appiah> how?
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| 07:52 | <shawnp0wers> I can't get it to work, and quite honestly, dont' know where exactly to troubleshoot!
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| 07:52 | <Appiah> well
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| 07:52 | whats _not_ working? :)
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| 07:53 | <shawnp0wers> I have the bits all in place, and my thin client boots -- but after the white ubuntu logo, I just get a black screen...
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| 07:53 | It seems as though there must be some SSH setup things that I've missed
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| 07:53 | but again, I'm not sure
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| 07:53 | <Appiah> ssh to the client
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| 07:53 | troubleshoot , did x start? check X log
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| 07:53 | <shawnp0wers> but in the client itself?
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| 07:54 | I'll need to figure out its IP...
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| 07:54 | <shawnp0wers> that's not a problem, but to be honest, I'm not sure if X started or not. :)
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| 07:54 | I just get the framebuffer "ubuntu white logo"
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| 07:54 | then a black screen
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| 07:54 | I'll try to get into the client and poke around
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| 07:54 | <Appiah> thats why
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| 07:54 | <alkisg> Also remove "quiet splash" to better see any boot error messages
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| 07:55 | <shawnp0wers> does everything happen at the cluster server though? That's what I mean by not knowing where to troubleshoot
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| 07:56 | <Appiah> well if it's a thin client not getting to the login screen
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| 07:56 | I'm troubleshoot just like I'm not using cluster
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| 07:57 | <shawnp0wers> removing quiet splash from pxe config helped. :)
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| 07:57 | hmm...
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| 07:57 | <Appiah> I would , not I'm
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| 07:57 | <shawnp0wers> error connectionrefused, error failed to connect to NBD server
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| 07:57 | <alkisg> And is the nbd server IP there the correct one?
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| 07:58 | <shawnp0wers> it actually doesn't show an IP
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| 07:58 | <Appiah> hostname?
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| 07:58 | <shawnp0wers> no
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| 07:58 | wait -- restarting nbd-server on the cluster server...
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| 07:58 | could not parse config file: could not open config file
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| 07:59 | <ogra> does ltsp-cluster use nbd-server directly ?
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| 07:59 | <shawnp0wers> uh... should there be something in /etc/nbd-server/ ?
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| 07:59 | * ogra cant imagine | |
| 07:59 | * shawnp0wers has no idea... | |
| 08:00 | <ogra> all ltsp implementations use it through openbsd-inetd ... i would be surprised if the cluster stuff does it differently
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| 08:00 | <shawnp0wers> ahh, gotcha
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| 08:00 | I'm not certain how cluster *does* stuff
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| 08:00 | <ogra> check if inetd.conf has nbdrootd entries
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| 08:00 | <shawnp0wers> ie, there is only one chroot, on the server
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| 08:01 | <ogra> and make sure openbsd-inetd was restarted
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| 08:01 | <shawnp0wers> ahh, yes -- it does have those
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| 08:03 | hmm... apparently inetd justneeded to be restart
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| 08:04 | <shawnp0wers> I got to the info message about the thin client
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| 08:04 | but I have no mouse or keyboard interaction to click "OK"
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| 08:06 | <Appiah> then its working!
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| 08:06 | hurray
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| 08:07 | <shawnp0wers> wow, if I hit enter REALLY FAST, I can make the window go away
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| 08:07 | then I get an ldm login screen
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| 08:07 | unfortunately, when I log in, it just loops back to the little info message
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| 08:08 | wait...
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| 08:08 | wow, I'm logged in. :)
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| 08:09 | and a terminal shows me on an app server
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| 08:09 | pretty cool
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| 08:09 | Is there any way to make that "info" box go away?
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| 08:10 | <Appiah> yupp
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| 08:10 | go to the link that the info box shows
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| 08:10 | sort the client into a group
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| 08:10 | and it will go away
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| 08:10 | <shawnp0wers> Oh! Awesome.
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| 08:14 | sigh... how do I move a computer into a created hardware group?
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| 08:16 | <Appiah> ...
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| 08:17 | <shawnp0wers> Appiah: I can only see how to move a computer to the RootNode, and delete it...
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| 08:18 | <Appiah> sorry I dont have the interface in front of me
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| 08:33 | <shawnp0wers> Appiah: I have a general question about cluster -- if the NBD image is only stored on the cluster server, does that create a bandwidth issue as it scales?
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| 08:33 | <Appiah> no idea
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| 08:33 | <shawnp0wers> hehehe, ok.
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| 08:34 | <alkisg> nbd is mostly used on the initial boot only...
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| 08:34 | It needs some tens of MB per client booting
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| 08:34 | <shawnp0wers> Particularly with localapps, it seems like 1000 users might cause issues when starting firefox
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| 08:35 | because firefox starting via chroot (NBD) would hit the server, no?
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| 08:35 | <alkisg> Yeah, localapps would hit the server
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| 08:36 | <shawnp0wers> Ok.
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| 08:36 | * shawnp0wers is having the fog lift a little regarding ltsp-cluster | |
| 08:36 | <shawnp0wers> :)
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| 08:36 | <alkisg> So ltsp-cluster only uses a single nbd?
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| 08:36 | <shawnp0wers> yes
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| 08:36 | only one
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| 08:36 | on the server
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| 08:36 | that's where I wasn't sure
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| 08:37 | if it shared that NBD with the app servers, then THEY in turn reshared it with NBD, it would be a bit more scalable i think
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| 08:37 | and maybe that's what happens
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| 08:37 | but I'm not sure
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| 08:38 | <shawnp0wers> If my brain is correct, all NBD traffic happens with the main cluster server, and all other traffic pings the application server via SSH
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| 08:38 | so for server apps, it scales very well
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| 08:38 | but with localapps, there would be some degredation as it scales (even quickly I'd think)
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| 08:39 | I might look at the ltsp docs some, to see what the little blurb on load balancing does
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| 08:39 | ie, having several full LTSP servers running, but redirect them on boot
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| 08:40 | or redirect clients anyway
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| 09:38 | <alkisg> Gadi: ping?
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| 09:38 | <Gadi> pong
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| 09:38 | <alkisg> I tried putting it to rc.d, but I had ghost processes left
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| 09:38 | The same when I tried to put it to ldm.c
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| 09:39 | <Gadi> as an Init?
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| 09:39 | I00-
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| 09:39 | <alkisg> Hmmm
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| 09:39 | <Gadi> the idea here is that when ldm comes back around to reinit, it initiates the shutdown
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| 09:39 | <alkisg> Ah, you mean X ends, then ldm starts over again, and THEN processes the logout flag?
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| 09:39 | <Gadi> yeah
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| 09:39 | <alkisg> Got it. OK, no problem with me
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| 09:39 | <Gadi> before the greeter comes up
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| 09:40 | its like saying "Before I start, was there a requested shutdown or reboot before the last session died?"
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| 09:40 | <alkisg> Gadi: I don't think it's a big change (and I think you're the only one interested :)) so could you please commit that when you have some time,
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| 09:41 | <Gadi> only if you test it
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| 09:41 | :)
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| 09:41 | <alkisg> Sure
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| 09:41 | ...and even report that it works in the gnome bug, so that they accept that patch as well?
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| 09:41 | (the maintainer there told me he'd like someone to confirm it works)
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| 09:41 | (as he doesn't know about ltsp)
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| 09:41 | <Gadi> well, if you test and tell me it works, thats good enough for me
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| 09:42 | Ill play along
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| 09:42 | * alkisg tries... | |
| 09:42 | <ogra> is the xatom still available by then ?
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| 09:42 | <alkisg> ogra: I save the flag to a file
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| 09:42 | <ogra> ah, k
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| 09:42 | <Gadi> ogra: he reads the Xatom at the end of the session and writes to a tmp file
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| 09:42 | <ogra> yup, got it
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| 09:43 | <alkisg> (I don't know if any /var/* location would be better that tmp, I just followed what stgraber did)
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| 09:43 | <Gadi> alkisg: btw, I put exec's in there so that it would stop at the shutdown/reboot
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| 09:43 | and not continue to source other stuff
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| 09:43 | * Gadi thinks stgraber was doing something as an unprivileged user | |
| 09:44 | <Gadi> tho, not sure
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| 09:44 | if you are not relying on his code ata ll, use /var/run
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| 09:44 | instead of /tmp
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| 09:44 | <alkisg> /var/run/ldm?
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| 09:44 | Yes, you're right on that (as well)
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| 09:44 | <Gadi> yeah, or just a /var/run/ldm-command
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| 09:44 | or something
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| 09:45 | <alkisg> OK, /var/run/ldm-logout-command.
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| 09:45 | (since that's also used in the atom)
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| 09:45 | <Gadi> it should hopefully last for all of a second
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| 09:45 | ;)
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| 09:45 | <alkisg> Heh, yeah
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| 09:45 | I just didn't want to propose a file-based patch in gnome-session
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| 09:46 | <Gadi> agreed
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| 09:46 | xprop is much safer
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| 09:47 | btw, I would clear the xprop once you read it
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| 09:47 | just to be safe
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| 09:47 | in case, for some reason, /var/run is not writable in the client
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| 09:48 | then, you could perhaps have nastiness
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| 09:48 | <rjune> Gadi, !
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| 09:48 | <Gadi> hey, rjune
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| 09:48 | <rjune> how goes it
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| 09:49 | <Gadi> it goes
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| 09:53 | <alkisg> Gadi: why would exec be better?
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| 09:53 | <Gadi> well, exec would kill the sourcing
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| 09:53 | <alkisg> Wouldn't the ldm script then continue with loading the greeter etc while the PC shuts down?
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| 09:54 | <Gadi> no, exec should prevent that
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| 09:59 | <alkisg> Hmm Gadi I also need || true in the end, don't I?
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| 09:59 | xprop -root -notype LDM_LOGOUT_ACTION | sed -e 's/^LDM_LOGOUT_ACTION = //' -e 's/^"//' -e 's/"$//' > /var/run/ldm-logout-action || true
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| 10:02 | <Gadi> that would be preferred
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| 10:14 | <alkisg> Gadi: it worked, but I did see X starting before it rebooted/shuted down
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| 10:15 | Anyway, good enough for me :)
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| 10:15 | <johnny> me thinks scott is gonna resolve this problem btw..
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| 10:15 | in a less hackish way..
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| 10:15 | <alkisg> johnny: you mean dbus?
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| 10:15 | <johnny> yep
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| 10:16 | <alkisg> But ldm still has to know when to shut down
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| 10:16 | So the flag should still be there...
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| 10:16 | <johnny> sure.. ldm should also talk to dbus..
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| 10:16 | dbus does run on the client now most of the time
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| 10:18 | <alkisg> Well, I'm not too optimistic about this dbus integration being ready for Lucid
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| 10:19 | And I think a lot more hacks would be needed there
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| 10:19 | Hacks in CK, PK and other packages that use dbus
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| 10:19 | <johnny> i wouldn't call them hacks
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| 10:19 | only creating a proper policy
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| 10:20 | <alkisg> CK on the client should ask PK on the server for permission but actually reboot the client, not the server
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| 10:21 | I do hope it's cleanly seperated to session/system dbus, but I think it isn't :(
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| 10:22 | Anyway, I wanted to have something for Lucid, as it's going to be around for 2 years, and I hope Scott can fix the dbus thing properly in Lucid+1... :-/
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| 10:23 | <Gadi> alkisg: If you like, make a symlink: K99-haltreboot -> I00-haltreboot
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| 10:24 | <johnny> i don't trust ubuntu releases anyways..
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| 10:24 | easier to just upgrade to the next one..
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| 10:24 | <Gadi> that *should* make it shutdown/reboot without respawning X if the session cleanly exits
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| 10:24 | <johnny> than HOPE that your needed fix appears
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| 10:24 | <alkisg> Gadi thanks, testing...
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| 10:24 | <alkisg> johnny: for schools here we decided to stick to LTS releases from now on
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| 10:25 | So I'd like to do what little I can to make Lucid better :-/
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| 10:25 | <johnny> have fun with that
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| 10:25 | i'm just glad i'm not forced into that party
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| 10:27 | <alkisg> Well teachers here that tried to upgrade to Karmic had a lot of problems. 9.04 had a lot less problems for them. And upgrading a school in the middle of the year proved to be too risky...
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| 10:28 | <alkisg> And as Ubuntu doesn't support e.g. 9.04 => 10.04 direct upgrade path, it's easier if we stick to LTS => LTS upgrade paths.
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| 10:28 | <johnny> alkisg, yeah.. only if you wanna stay home during vacations :)
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| 10:28 | <johnny> or holidays whatever..
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| 10:28 | <alkisg> Unfortunately many problems were not seen on the upgrade, but later on, on the usage
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| 10:29 | <alkisg> (problems that didn't exist on the previous version)
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| 10:29 | Some months are needed to "settle down", and doing this frequently isn't practical for schools that don't have sysadmins
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| 10:29 | <johnny> sure.. some problesm get fixed, some problems get added..
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| 10:29 | lol
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| 10:29 | <ogra> ask the communiy for help with upgrade and pre release testing ;)
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| 10:30 | <johnny> ah.. ogra.. you're still alive.. :)
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| 10:30 | <ogra> in a meeting atm :)
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| 10:30 | <johnny> that doesn't make you not alive.. i hope
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| 10:30 | hehe
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| 10:31 | only dead on the inside :)
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| 10:32 | <Ahmuck-Jr> ogra, u testing lubuntu?
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| 10:32 | <ogra> nope
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| 10:32 | its a community project ... i'm swamped with other stuff
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| 10:33 | <johnny> ogra, when aren't you..
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| 10:33 | perhaps we'll meet again at some other point in this life
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| 10:33 | and you can laugh at my poor fan..
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| 10:33 | that is still just as loud with fedora on it :)
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| 10:34 | /me needs a new laptop
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| 10:34 | <ogra> heh
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| 10:34 | freescale presented some netbook at UDS but pre-production
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| 10:35 | <johnny> i want some powerful laptop.. but also an arm netbook..
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| 10:37 | <Blinny> ++ for LTS->LTS upgrade
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| 10:40 | <ogra> Blinny, thats default :)
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| 10:41 | <Blinny> Cheers
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| 10:50 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 11:17 | <alkisg> Damn pidgin, doesn't tell me when I'm disconnected :( Sorry for re-pasting, that's the last I "saw":
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| 11:17 | (07:07:32 μμ) alkisg: Gadi: with the K99-haltreboot symlink, I didn't have "flickering" (X restarting), but I had ghost processes
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| 11:17 | (07:07:48 μμ) alkisg: X should be stopped when the reboot is called :-/
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| 11:17 | (07:08:35 μμ) alkisg: I we don't want to touch the ldm script, I'm OK with just the I00-haltreboot script and a little flickering :)
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| 11:18 | <ogra> use a proper IRC client ! :)
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| 11:18 | <alkisg> I'm using the Ubuntu defaults :D
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| 11:18 | <ogra> pfft
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| 11:18 | nobody does that
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| 11:18 | * ogra hides | |
| 11:18 | <alkisg> :D
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| 11:18 | <ogra> use xchat
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| 11:19 | <alkisg> Nah... I like all-in-one clients
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| 11:19 | <ogra> would you use your car to plow a filed ?
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| 11:19 | *field
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| 11:20 | <alkisg> Well, it isn't the same like comparing pidgin to xchat
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| 11:20 | <ogra> right, pidgin is worse :)
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| 11:21 | <johnny> ogra, .. i'm using an irc transport
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| 11:21 | via my xmpp only client..
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| 11:25 | <sbalneav> irssi, for the win.
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| 11:25 | Embrace the terminal.
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| 11:26 | <johnny> irssi isn't a good xmpp client.. so that's out
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| 11:27 | <alkisg> Defaults. They're there for some reason :D
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| 11:29 | <sbalneav> johnny: it's a freaking fantastic irc client, though :)
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| 11:33 | Ooo!
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| 11:33 | http://cybione.org/~irssi-xmpp/
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| 11:38 | <johnny> yes.. i know about that
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| 11:38 | it's still pretty limited tho..
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| 11:53 | <sbalneav> Hmm, I just repackaged the 0.50 version.
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| 11:53 | lemme try...
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| 11:54 | <sbalneav> Hm. Well, I seem to be connected.
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| 11:55 | <johnny> sbvwhat i like with xmpp and irc.. is that no matter what computer i connect from.. my nickserv password is saved on the server and gets used
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| 11:55 | and my aim, and my facebook, etc..
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| 11:55 | so.. whenever i go.. it's all there..
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| 11:55 | even if i connect with a web client
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| 11:58 | <sbalneav> ok, well, Imma gonna push this to my ppa anyway :)
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| 11:58 | * sbalneav is so proud of himself. | |
| 11:58 | <sbalneav> I packaged something new and I didn't have to ask for help from ANYBODY!
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| 11:58 | <johnny> magic..
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| 11:58 | <sbalneav> LOOK MA! I'M A BIG BOY NOW!
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| 12:01 | OK, uploaded irssi-plugin-xmpp-0.50 to my ppa
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| 15:10 | <sbalneav> http://git.gnome.org/cgit/sabayon/log/
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| 15:10 | I now have git commit access to the gnome git repo.
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| 15:11 | I'm fully, completely an upstream dev for sabayon now :)
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| 15:21 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: cheers!
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| 15:21 | <CAN-o-SPAM> sbalneav: congrats, so nice to have a project in trusted hands! :)
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| 15:34 | <alkisg> sbalneav: congrats, man! Hope people actually use this :D
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| 16:23 | <johnny> uggh.. what can i do without iotop to figure out what's happening with io :(
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| 16:24 | i got some client that stopped working
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| 16:24 | looking for bootware.img..
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| 19:18 | <ehrenpr> anyone know how to setup local aps on kiwi-lts 11.2? I used the prebuilt image but after I add flash to sys config, I get errors with rebulding
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| 19:19 | Do I need open suse 11.1 dvd? or can I use 11.2 as the install location.
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| 19:20 | <vagrantc> try in #kiwi-ltsp
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| 19:21 | <ehrenpr> No one has responded.
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| 19:34 | <johnny> ehrenpr, there seems to be few people who know how to work with it.. sorry
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| 19:34 | it doesn't use the same methods are regular ltsp for rebuilding images.. so we don't know
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| 19:42 | <ehrenpr> thanks for replying, originally I tried Edubuntu, but ran into lots of confusion with the latest build. It doesnt seem as their is alot of documentaion yet. Besides kiwi-ltsp and Edubuntu does anyone recommend a good educational solution, that has lots of support?
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| 19:42 | <johnny> edubuntu should be fine..
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| 19:42 | you don't really need alot of documentation
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| 19:42 | but all the standard documentation at
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| 19:42 | !docs
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| 19:42 | <ltspbot> johnny: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 19:42 | <johnny> should apply
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| 19:44 | <ehrenpr> Do you know if their is an easy way to set up a fat client network? I tried nubeas plugin, but it doesnt work with karmic.
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| 19:47 | <johnny> it's part of karmic
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| 19:47 | i think
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| 19:47 | read the --help or --extra-help of ltsp-build-client
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| 19:48 | <ehrenpr> Thanks, I ll check that ou.
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| 19:53 | <sbalneav> ehrenpr: What were you trying to do wit Edubuntu?
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| 19:53 | I'm in there now if you'd like to ask a question.
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| 19:54 | #edubuntu
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| 20:00 | !flash
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| 20:00 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "flash" :: Yes, flash sucks. Make sure you have LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file, or if it's just youtube you're after, try the HQtube plugin. Install greasemonkey for firefox, and see http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/24999
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| 20:24 | <ehrenpr> anyone familar with kiwi-ltsp?
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| 20:26 | <sbalneav> ehrenpr: The fellow you'll want is cyberorg
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| 20:26 | !seen cyberorg
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| 20:26 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: cyberorg was last seen in #ltsp 1 week, 0 days, 15 hours, 10 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <cyberorg> ftherese, that has nothing to do with ltsp, just follow instructions about network scanning, configure ltsp servers as client for scanner, all ltsp clients will be able to use that
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| 20:26 | <sbalneav> hasn't been about for a week
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| 20:26 | but he's the local kiwi-ltsp expert.
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| 20:27 | <johnny> ehrenpr, yes.. we only know 1 person who knows anything about kiwi-ltsp
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| 20:27 | you would want to try the forums or something
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| 20:27 | <ehrenpr> Thanks. Is he usually pretty active?
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| 20:27 | <johnny> well.. he's on india time..
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| 20:27 | usually active..
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| 20:28 | but i don't think yo ucan expect much help on that project if you have to rely on one person for support..
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| 20:30 | <ehrenpr> I know. Its to bad cuse it seems realy great.
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| 20:30 | <johnny> why does it seem greater than regular ltsp?
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| 20:33 | <ehrenpr> Its really easy to setup, and I had no problems with any funny display drivers. Everything just worked. With edubuntu I got confused really quick becuase the edubunt wiki has alot of conflicting info.
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| 20:33 | I dont know of any other education builds.
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| 20:34 | <sbalneav> ehrenpr: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP
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| 20:34 | that should be *the* place to go for ubuntu ltsp info.
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| 20:36 | <GuilhermeCunha> how to configure auto login with gdm
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| 20:36 | in client of ltsp
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| 20:36 | <ehrenpr> I have been to that site a thosand times, but most of the tutorials are for previous versions.
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| 20:36 | <johnny> the ubuntu ltsp docs work too btw
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| 20:36 | all the regular ubuntu wiki docs apply
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| 20:36 | <GuilhermeCunha> i'm using ltsp in ubuntu 8.04
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| 20:36 | the options in gdm.conf
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| 20:36 | <johnny> there is no gdm
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| 20:36 | <GuilhermeCunha> no have effect
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| 20:36 | <johnny> gdm isn't used of ltsp
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| 20:37 | <GuilhermeCunha> dont work
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| 20:37 | :/
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| 20:37 | <johnny> you need to create a file lts.conf in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386
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| 20:37 | <GuilhermeCunha> im read about ldm
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| 20:37 | <johnny> and set
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| 20:37 | <GuilhermeCunha> i need to install the package to configure the auto login ?
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| 20:38 | johnny, this file already created
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| 20:38 | is a empty file
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| 20:38 | <johnny> [default]
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| 20:38 | LDM_AUTOLOGIN=Y
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| 20:38 | [put ip or mac of machine here]
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| 20:38 | LDM_USERNAME=username
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| 20:38 | LDM_PASSWORD=password
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| 20:38 | for each user account
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| 20:38 | the last 3 lines need to be for each account that is..
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| 20:39 | <GuilhermeCunha> auto login work only ldm ?
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| 20:39 | <ehrenpr> yah, but then when you have autologin enabled how do you shut down the computers?
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| 20:39 | <GuilhermeCunha> ?
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| 20:39 | <johnny> ehrenpr, i used timed logins for that
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| 20:39 | ehrenpr, altho really.. i just power down the clients hard
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| 20:40 | i don't actually shut them down :)
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| 20:40 | as they stay up all day
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| 20:40 | and then run a cleanup scrip at night
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| 20:40 | that kills all the processes
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| 20:40 | ehrenpr, but if you used timed autologin, you can get bakc to the screen to shut them down
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| 20:40 | <GuilhermeCunha> ????
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| 20:40 | <ehrenpr> thats what I do, but that just seems kind harsh.
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| 20:40 | <johnny> ehrenpr, then the timed solution is good for you
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| 20:40 | <GuilhermeCunha> auto login works only in ldm ?
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| 20:40 | <johnny> let it login after 5 seconds
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| 20:41 | GuilhermeCunha, ltsp doesn't use gdm
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| 20:41 | it uses ldm
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| 20:41 | <ehrenpr> I dont know how to do timed autologin
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| 20:41 | <johnny> ehrenpr, it's just another lts.conf var, read the ltsp docs
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| 20:41 | !docs
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| 20:41 | <ltspbot> johnny: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 20:42 | <ehrenpr> So if I setup timed login, then I logout it will go back to the login screen where I can shutdown????
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| 20:42 | <johnny> yes
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| 20:42 | <ehrenpr> thats a great tip. Thanks
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| 20:43 | <johnny> ehrenpr, we do plan to allow shutdown via the standard shutdown on the remote session pusshed back to the remote session
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| 20:43 | or even via a seperate menu item.. we're still working on it
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| 20:43 | a basic option will be available for lucid.. if we don't get the proper way working
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| 20:44 | the proper way.. involves some magic we're not quite sure of yet..
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| 20:44 | ehrenpr, it's likely you'll have a menu item to shut down the thin client session if you enable local apps menu items in lucid
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| 20:44 | without having to logout of the session
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| 20:45 | <ehrenpr> im not familiar with lucid, is it a script...
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| 20:45 | <johnny> the next version of ubuntu..
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| 20:45 | lucid lynx
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| 20:46 | <ehrenpr> got it, that just show my linux ignorance. Im learning quick thou. and at this point with my student computers I have no other choice.
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| 20:48 | <johnny> but the timed autologin hack will tide you over for now
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| 20:49 | make sure you use decent passwords for your users..
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| 20:49 | <GuilhermeCunha> the ubuntu ltsp
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| 20:49 | use gdm to ltsp clients
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| 20:49 | <johnny> there is no gdm there
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| 20:49 | i told you
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| 20:49 | it's ldm
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| 20:50 | <GuilhermeCunha> i have installed the system and enviroment today
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| 20:52 | and have tested the system
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| 20:52 | and the ubuntu 8.04 + ltsp
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| 20:52 | use the gdm to login the thin clients
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| 20:52 | :/
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| 20:52 | and not work the auto login
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| 20:52 | :(
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| 20:52 | the local machine works
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| 20:53 | and the remote not work
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| 20:53 | :(
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| 20:53 | <johnny> you DO NOT USE GDM ON THIN CLIENTS
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| 20:53 | YOU USE LDM
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| 20:54 | <GuilhermeCunha> default in ubuntu ?
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| 20:54 | <johnny> default every ltsp
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| 20:54 | including ubuntu
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| 20:54 | <GuilhermeCunha> or have to install in your hand?
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| 20:54 | <johnny> otherwise you won't get local devices or sound
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| 20:54 | it's already there
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| 20:54 | <GuilhermeCunha> strange
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| 20:54 | <johnny> why?
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| 20:55 | we invented ldm because it solved a problem gdm doesn't and won't solve
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| 20:55 | <GuilhermeCunha> i have searched in the machine for ldm and not found
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| 20:55 | :/
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| 20:55 | <sbalneav> GuilhermeCunha: it's installed in the chroot
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| 20:55 | <johnny> it's only on the thin client chroot
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| 20:55 | <sbalneav> /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 20:55 | <johnny> but why are you searching for it
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| 20:55 | <GuilhermeCunha> even found sites saying that it was necessary to install the hand
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| 20:55 | <johnny> just do what i told you awhile ago
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| 20:55 | i gave you the answer way back earlier
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| 20:56 | put this in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 20:56 | [default]
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| 20:56 | LDM_AUTOLOGIN=Y
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| 20:56 | [put ip or mac of machine here]
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| 20:56 | LDM_USERNAME=username
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| 20:56 | LDM_PASSWORD=password
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| 20:56 | do this part for each machine
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| 20:56 | [put ip or mac of machine here]
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| 20:56 | LDM_USERNAME=username
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| 20:56 | LDM_PASSWORD=password
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| 20:57 | <GuilhermeCunha> the ldm im read and this work ...
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| 20:57 | i need to whether gdm works ...
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| 20:57 | <johnny> /me goes back to his other work.. bbl
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| 20:58 | <GuilhermeCunha> I am setting up a kiosk for the university and I want the system to login automatically ...
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| 20:59 | soon I will have problems with firefox too ... because of the sessions ... present the error that is already running ...
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| 20:59 | <johnny> oh.. kiosk mode.. it's not a thin client anymore then
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| 21:00 | you should have mentioned that earlier
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| 21:00 | or not the standard or any kind..
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| 21:00 | i wonder.. does the kiosk plugin really work anymore
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| 21:00 | who tried it last..
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| 21:02 | <GuilhermeCunha> plugin to kiosk ?
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| 21:03 | <johnny> kiosk mode is a plugin
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| 21:03 | it is rarely tested
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| 21:03 | or used as far as i've seen in this room
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| 21:05 | <GuilhermeCunha> hmmm
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| 21:05 | have address in http protocol ?
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| 21:17 | <ehrenpr> anyone get fatclients working with karmic?
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| 21:17 | <sbalneav> GuilhermeCunha: I don't think there's any documentation for the kiosk plugin
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| 21:17 | !seen nubae
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| 21:17 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: nubae was last seen in #ltsp 2 weeks, 3 days, 12 hours, 50 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <nubae> the script should work ok in jaunty and intrepi though
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| 21:21 | <GuilhermeCunha> hmmm
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