IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 3 July 2007 (all times are UTC)
| 00:04 | <sahil> is there an alternative to sabayon?
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| 00:07 | <zodman> a live cd to run beryl ?
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| 00:46 | <sahil> zodman: the user profile manager for gnome
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| 02:30 | <gvy> morning :)
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| 02:31 | rhombus, well we've got some compaqs
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| 02:31 | desqpro en sff with all onboard
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| 02:32 | pretty bulky (as two stacked notebooks) but with cdrom and floppy just in case, silent and have no problems with ltsp
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| 03:33 | <ogra> sahil, yes, but its still very buggy (pulseaudio hangs if you dont start it manually, streaming gets choppy if you move the mouse etc)
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| 03:49 | <ogra> sahil, in case you want to try it, there is a tgz under http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/sis7019-oss-driver_0.1.orig.tar.gz that builds agaist the latest ubuntu gutsy kernel
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| 03:53 | <sahil> ogra: i'm still using 4.2, is there a way to make it work with that?
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| 03:53 | <ogra> there are several howtos on te ltsp wiki for 4.2 and that card, yes
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| 03:55 | * ogra doesnt touch 4.2 so cant tell how good it works there ... | |
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| 03:56 | <sahil> i see, well ill keep fiddling for a bit
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| 04:00 | <gvy> ogra, halo
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| 04:00 | <ogra> hi gvy
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| 05:28 | <hatter> hi guys, i just installed the kernel headers on my ltsp server, (debian etch)(for vmware) and the vmware installer says the linux/version.h file is not there and that i should rebuild the kernel, is there a quicker way to fix this ?
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| 06:13 | * ogra dances ... | |
| 06:14 | <ogra> sound on the ebox works :)
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| 06:14 | even though its a bit choppy ...
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| 06:14 | <cliebow> hooo1
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| 06:14 | * ogra tries rhythmbox | |
| 06:15 | <ogra> yeah ...
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| 06:15 | volume control works as well :)
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| 06:16 | now i just need to package the oss driver ...
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| 06:16 | i wonder if our kernel team will beat me up for that since we dont support oss at all :)
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| 06:18 | <gvy> ogra, there well might be udev problems with that
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| 06:18 | seen that
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| 06:18 | * ogra reboots the TC to prove it works a second time as well :) | |
| 06:19 | <ogra> gvy, why kind of udev probs ?
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| 06:20 | <gvy> ogra, at least when folks had oss modules installed that was more often thet case of harder to debug problems when not
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| 06:20 | <ogra> you need to force the loading of the driver anyway through a MODULE_01=sis7019 stanza in the lts.conf
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| 06:20 | it wont get loaded automatically
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| 06:20 | <gvy> actually i asked to build oss modules some year ago and was somewhat responsible for that...
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| 06:20 | ah, then easier
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| 06:20 | <ogra> it wont even get shipped in the chroot sinc e i wot be able to move the package to main ...
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| 06:21 | but it gives the opportunity to set it up after reading a howto :)
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| 06:21 | so you are not doomed to silence with that crappy thing
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| 06:21 | <gvy> yup
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| 06:21 | <ogra> if you buy crappy HW you should be prepared to have to do some manual work ;)
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| 06:21 | <gvy> some CRAPPY manual work :]
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| 06:22 | <ogra> yeah, well, i still have to find any worse HW than the e2300 :)
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| 06:22 | * ogra doesnt think its worth the 80 bucks they take for it | |
| 06:23 | <gvy> did you ever see "radeon 9200" card displaying "radeon 9200" with bios and suddenly appearing as sis630 on pci? ;-)
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| 06:23 | <gvy> our chinese friends can do miracles
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| 06:23 | <ogra> lol
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| 06:23 | no :)
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| 06:23 | <gvy> windows dies with that, xorg will of course be happy still
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| 06:23 | or should i say "windows die" properly, maybe
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| 06:24 | <ogra> heh
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| 06:29 | * ogra tries his ipod on that thing | |
| 06:30 | <ogra> yay
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| 06:30 | :)
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| 06:31 | <gvy> "it forks! wunderbar!"? :)
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| 06:31 | <ogra> yeah, works ...
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| 06:31 | you shouldnt move the mouse though :)
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| 06:32 | the CPU is heabily loaded with managing all the traffic ...
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| 06:32 | *heavily
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| 06:32 | 200Mhz isnt really great
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| 06:32 | especially if you have to process sound, video and network in parallel
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| 06:34 | <Q-FUNK> oki... Debian LTSP HOWTO updated.
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| 06:35 | <Q-FUNK> http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto
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| 06:36 | <ogra> Q-FUNK, are you sure "--late-packages ltspfsd" works ?
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| 06:37 | i'm not sure we append here but rather replace the LATE_PACKAGES variable
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| 06:37 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: that part was not added by me. I haven't tried it.
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| 06:37 | <ogra> (whic holds the kernel usually)
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| 06:37 | ah, k
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| 06:37 | <Q-FUNK> I only updated and expanded the first half.
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| 06:37 | <ogra> ah
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| 06:38 | <Q-FUNK> among other things, the NFS defaults since Etch are different and it needed to be documented
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| 06:38 | * ogra is happy we dont need that stuff in ubuntu :) | |
| 06:38 | <ogra> err, exports are set by the ltsp-server postinst or is that broken in debian ?
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| 06:40 | ah, no debian disabled that
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| 06:41 | and its done by a common plugin in ltsp-build-client, not by the maintainer script
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| 06:41 | cat <<EOF >> /etc/exports
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| 06:41 | # Automatically added by ltsp-server
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| 06:41 | $BASE *(ro,no_root_squash,async)
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| 06:41 | EOF
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| 06:41 | invoke-rc.d nfs-kernel-server reload
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| 06:43 | Q-FUNK, you might just want to run ltsp-build-client with OVERRIDE_EXPORTS=True
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| 06:43 | that sets the default entry on debian it seems
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| 06:44 | that you have to fiddle so much with dhcp in debian s a shame imho ...
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| 06:44 | but thats how the want it *shrug*
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| 06:44 | *they
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| 06:45 | * ogra is happy we dropped nfs in ubuntu ... no such probs anymore :) | |
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| 07:20 | <Q-FUNK> :)
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| 07:21 | well, personally, i'd like to see debian drop portmap and inetd, but that's just me.
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| 07:21 | ogra: but the nfs options used in your above example are outdated.
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| 07:35 | <ogra> Q-FUNK, i dont care, we dont use nfs in ubuntu anymore ;)
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| 07:36 | <ogra> and the options are not outdated, the default of the server chnaged if you dont set them ..
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| 07:36 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: not even in Feisty?
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| 07:36 | <ogra> so it spills a warning
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| 07:36 | Q-FUNK, from utsy on
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| 07:36 | *gutsy
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| 07:37 | <Q-FUNK> right. something tells me that you missed the part about this being for Etch. ;)
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| 07:37 | I'm pretty sure that we're switching to ltspfs too.
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| 07:37 | <ogra> the warnin should be gone with te next version, itsw only temporary thing to inform you that the defaults have changd
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| 07:38 | Q-FUNK, s/ltspfs/nbd/
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| 07:38 | ;)
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| 07:38 | <Q-FUNK> erm... yup
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| 07:38 | <ogra> ltspfs is only for local devices :)
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| 07:38 | <Q-FUNK> although oddly enough, debian installs that too
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| 07:39 | <ogra> i'm not sure debian will do that move (and the nfs code wot be droppen, i just wont maintain it upstream)
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| 07:39 | its quite radical
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| 07:40 | <ogra> if debian wants to keep it i'm fine if they maintain the nfs parts :)
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| 07:40 | nbd has a lot advantages, but also a good bunch of drawbacks
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| 07:40 | i.e. you need to rebuild the image after changes to the chroot ...
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| 07:45 | <Thumann> hi, my X wont start if the interface is up.. any ideas what's up with that?
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| 07:46 | <Thumann> or, it starts, but it just starts up GDM and 'hang's with a loading cursor
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| 07:46 | <masus> hi everybody
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| 07:46 | ogra are u there :)
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| 07:46 | <ogra> masus, partially
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| 07:46 | <masus> :)
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| 07:47 | i have install yesterday a fresh copy of xubuntu , and install ltsp 5.x
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| 07:47 | and after i boot a client i see loading linuz and loading initrd.img
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| 07:47 | and ready
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| 07:48 | at ready it stopped
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| 07:48 | <ogra> which release ?
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| 07:48 | <masus> :(
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| 07:48 | <ogra> feisty ? gutsy ?
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| 07:48 | <masus> xubuntu 7.04
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| 07:49 | <ogra> hm that should work ... even though i didnt test with xubuntu ...
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| 07:49 | <masus> which one do u have test ?
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| 07:49 | <ogra> how did you install ? did you follow the QuickInstall guide ?
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| 07:49 | !ubuntu
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| 07:49 | <masus> yes step by step
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| 07:49 | <ltspbot> ogra: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 07:50 | <masus> first i have install afresh copy of xubuntu 7.04 after sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone openssh-server
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| 07:50 | and then sudo ltsp-build-client
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| 07:50 | after i make sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get upgrade
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| 07:50 | <ogra> masus, drop quet and splash from /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default to see more info
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| 07:51 | <masus> ok
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| 07:51 | <ogra> *quiet and splash
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| 07:51 | <masus> DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img quiet splash
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| 07:51 | <ogra> right, delete the two words there
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| 07:51 | then boot the client again
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| 07:51 | <masus> DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img
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| 07:51 | <ogra> it should be very noisy about what its doing now
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| 07:52 | <masus> ok i'll try please wait :D
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| 07:52 | <ogra> Thumann, which distro ?
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| 07:52 | and which ltsp version
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| 07:52 | <Thumann> ogra: ubuntu
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| 07:52 | <ogra> Thumann, did you chaeg the IP after running ltsp-build-client ? if so run sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 07:52 | *change
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| 07:53 | <Thumann> ogra: 5.0 i believe, it has been working fine for some time, and now after a network crash.. this happens..
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| 07:53 | the server doesn't show up if i make a -indirect query to another ltsp server anymore, and the users just get a regular gray X screen if they connect
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| 07:54 | <ogra> oh, you are using XDMCP ?
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| 07:54 | hmm
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| 07:54 | <Thumann> aye
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| 07:54 | <ogra> not much clue about that since we dont officially support it in ubuntu
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| 07:54 | ltsp-update-sshkeys wont help then ...
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| 07:55 | chack if GDM is set up properly for XDMCP is my only hint ...
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| 07:55 | *check
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| 07:55 | there is also a wiki entry anywhere in the ltsp wiki
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| 07:55 | !greyscreen
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| 07:55 | <ltspbot> ogra: "greyscreen" is No login, and only a grey screen? See http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Troubleshooting-GrayScreen
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| 07:55 | <ogra> see that :)
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| 07:55 | <Thumann> :) will try
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| 07:56 | <ogra> whats the reason you use insecure XDMCP ?
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| 07:59 | <masus> ogra: now [14.511620] SELinux: Disabled at boot
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| 07:59 | ...
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| 07:59 | ....
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| 07:59 | [15.223806] Setting up standart PCI
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| 07:59 | and it's waiting again
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| 08:00 | <ogra> hmm
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| 08:00 | looks like a kernel issue
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| 08:00 | what kind of HW is that
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| 08:00 | how much ram, what kind of CPU etc
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| 08:00 | <masus> ok
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| 08:00 | <Thumann> ogra: hmm.. no luck, everything looks fine, it's listening for connections
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| 08:00 | <masus> asus m2n
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| 08:00 | 1.30 GHZ
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| 08:01 | 1.21 GB ram
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| 08:01 | <ogra> the client ?
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| 08:01 | wow
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| 08:01 | thats a lot :)
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| 08:01 | <masus> yes
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| 08:01 | :)
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| 08:01 | <Thumann> ogra: It's just weird that it hangs if the interface is up on the console aswell, untill you stop gdm, bring down the interface, bring up the interface and then start gdm, then the console part works
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| 08:01 | <ogra> weird
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| 08:02 | well, i wont be of much help here, i never really touched XDMCP since tsp5 started (2 years now)
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| 08:02 | *ltsp5
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| 08:03 | if the greyscreen wiki doesnt help i have no idea, sorry
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| 08:03 | <Thumann> ogra: hmm, if i from the 'chooser' try to manually add the server, i get an error message saying that it didn't receive any response from the server
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| 08:03 | <masus> ogra: can u helpme for the next level or i have to google :D
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| 08:04 | <ogra> masus, likely a kernel option will help ... (you can add them to te pxe config where the quiet and splash keywords were ...
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| 08:04 | <masus> hmm
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| 08:04 | <ogra> masus, i'd test such things like nolapic or pci=noacip
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| 08:04 | <masus> do u have write ltsp ?
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| 08:04 | <ogra> parts of it, yes
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| 08:05 | <masus> wow
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| 08:05 | great
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| 08:05 | <ogra> actually we're three ppl caring constantly for it and a bunch of cotributors who occasionally send patches ...
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| 08:06 | i hope with more distros adopting ltsp5 we'll get more devs :)
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| 08:06 | <masus> wonderful
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| 08:06 | i can develope also but not linux
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| 08:06 | :(
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| 08:06 | i will but it's tooooooo
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| 08:06 | :)
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| 08:08 | so i have only one more question, before 3 days i have test the ltsp with xubuntu 6.x but when the client boots up and brings me to a login screen,
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| 08:08 | I login with a valid username and password and things switch to a
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| 08:08 | black screen with an X in the center for about 10 seconds,
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| 08:08 | then dumps back to the login screen.
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| 08:09 | do u know what it can be ? is it a bug ?
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| 08:09 | <ogra> nope
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| 08:09 | eiter your IP config changed so the ssh keys are wrong ... run sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys in this case
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| 08:10 | <masus> hmm
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| 08:10 | <ogra> or you have sabayon installed (add every user to a profile in this case)
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| 08:10 | so the 2.6.17 kernel worked for you with 6.10 but 2.6.20 from 7.04 doesnt ?
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| 08:11 | <masus> ok
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| 08:11 | thanks a lot orga for your nicely help
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| 08:11 | and have a nice day
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| 08:11 | <ogra> thanks :)
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| 08:11 | <masus> :) by
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| 08:32 | <ogra> jammcq, got it working, pulse starts automatically
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| 08:33 | (on the e2300)
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| 08:33 | <jammcq> you be rocking
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| 08:33 | <ogra> well
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| 08:33 | <jammcq> can I get a copy of that driver source code from you?
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| 08:33 | <ogra> sound is very choppy, the CPU load is way to high ... as soon as i start moving the mouse it jumps
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| 08:34 | but as long as i dont touch it i can even hera my music from the ipod fine ...
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| 08:34 | i'm trying to find a way get the latency probs done, but oss isnt really designed for devices that process everything in CPU it seems
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| 08:35 | <jammcq> speaking of iPods, I was very impressed with feisty. I plugged my ipod into my laptop, and it worked great
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| 08:35 | <ogra> yeah
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| 08:35 | <jammcq> same ipod wouldn't work at all with the previous release
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| 08:35 | * jammcq can't even remember the name of the previous release :) | |
| 08:35 | <ogra> with the hal integration it should start rhythmbox automatically if you plug it in ;)
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| 08:35 | edgy
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| 08:35 | <jammcq> yeah, that's the one
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| 08:36 | <ogra> well, so sound wors fine for pling and ploig sounds on the 2300 ... but i wouldnt recommend it for listening to musinc if you want to do work as well
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| 08:36 | * ogra needs new fingers or a new keyboard :/ | |
| 08:37 | <ogra> i've asked in #pulseaudio about it, but no answer so far
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| 08:37 | oh, i just see that scotts new delayed mounter works, heh ...
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| 08:37 | * ogra never tried that before with the new ldm | |
| 08:44 | <ogra> oooooh !
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| 08:45 | * ogra just found the module-oss-mmap module for pulse | |
| 08:45 | <ogra> imilar to module-oss but uses memory mapped (mmap()) access to the input/output buffers of the audio device.
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| 08:45 | that sunds like it could help
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| 08:46 | "This provides better latency behaviour but is not as compatible as module-oss."
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| 08:46 | hmm
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| 08:47 | <ogra> lets see if its compatible with sis7019 :)
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| 08:48 | jammcq, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/sis7019-oss-driver_0.1.orig.tar.gz
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| 08:48 | only builds with the current guts kernel
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| 08:48 | you need linux-headers and build-essential installed i the chroot for it
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| 08:49 | i'll do a proper package for it as soon as its working flawless
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| 08:49 | <jammcq> etyack wants to take the source and see if he can get it working with the 2.6.20 kernel
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| 08:49 | <ogra> that might break
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| 08:49 | <jammcq> sure, it might
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| 08:49 | and it might not
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| 08:49 | <ogra> the .22 kernel in ubuntu odesnt ship any oss headers anymore
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| 08:49 | so it has them included
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| 08:50 | if you install that on a different kernel it will overwrite the modules
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| 08:50 | or build with wrong headers
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| 08:50 | <jammcq> he'll figure it out
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| 08:51 | <ogra> its based on the one from the ltsp wiki, i think he already touched that code so he should be familiar with it
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| 08:51 | <jammcq> yup
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| 08:51 | <ogra> my diff is trivially small :)
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| 08:51 | three lines iirc
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| 08:52 | you also need to manually load snd-pcm-oss and snd-mixer-oss for it to work (i use MODULE_XX for it)
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| 08:53 | ok, image rebuilt ... lets try module-oss-mmap :)
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| 08:53 | whats really impressing with the e2300 as bad as the HW is is that acpi seems to just work on it :)
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| 08:55 | gah -mmap doesnt work :/
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| 09:01 | <ogra> hrm
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| 09:34 | <Thumann> hmm.. i can't start gdm unless my eth0 is shutdown, any ideas why? if i try, it just starts X and waits forever with a spinning 'wait' cursor
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| 09:34 | <masus> Begin: Running /scripts/nfs-premount
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| 09:34 | Connect: Connection Refused
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| 09:34 | Read: Connection Refused
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| 09:34 | ...
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| 09:34 | NFS over TCP not avalaible from Server
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| 09:35 | :( :( :(
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| 09:36 | i have edit the /etc/hostsl.allow file
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| 09:36 | portmap: 192.168.0.0/24
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| 09:36 | rpc.mountd: 192.168.0.0/24
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| 09:36 | rpc.statd: 192.168.0.0/24
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| 09:36 | in.tftpd: 192.168.0.0/24
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| 09:36 | <masus> and Restart the nfs subsystem:
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| 09:37 | and at least NFSOPTS="-o nolock,ro,wsize=2048,rsize=2048"
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| 09:37 | to the default tftp config in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default.
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| 09:37 | but nothing
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| 09:37 | anybody ideas ?
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| 09:38 | <ogra> ugh
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| 09:38 | <masus> :)
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| 09:38 | <ogra> why did you do all that stuff ?
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| 09:39 | <masus> because = Connect: Connection Refused
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| 09:39 | <ogra> right, but dont start randomly to change config files :)
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| 09:39 | <masus> :)
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| 09:39 | <ogra> remove all the stuff from hosts.allow (what made you think that would help ?)
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| 09:39 | <masus> ok
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| 09:40 | removed
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| 09:40 | <ogra> revert all other changes as well ...
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| 09:40 | <masus> ok one mom
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| 09:40 | <ogra> reboot the server and try again
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| 09:41 | <masus> but before i do this changes i get this message : NFS over TCP not avalaible from Server
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| 09:41 | so ihave do the changes
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| 09:41 | exactly -->
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| 09:41 | Begin: Running /scripts/nfs-premount
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| 09:41 | Connect: Connection Refused
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| 09:41 | Read: Connection Refused
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| 09:41 | ...
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| 09:41 | NFS over TCP not avalaible from Server
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| 09:41 | <ogra> right, reboot the server and check if it works then ...
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| 09:41 | <masus> ok i'll reboot
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| 09:41 | one mom
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| 09:42 | <ogra> nfs sometimes needs a hard kick on fresh installed nfs server
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| 09:42 | <masus> hmmm
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| 09:42 | <ogra> i bet one beer it works after rebooting ;)
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| 09:43 | <masus> ok
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| 09:43 | i'll send u
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| 09:43 | :)
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| 09:43 | one mom , will test and come back in 2 min
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| 09:46 | <masus> ogra: u have lost one beer
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| 09:46 | :)
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| 09:46 | connection refused
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| 09:47 | <ogra> hmm
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| 09:47 | paste your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to the pastebin
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| 09:47 | !pastebot
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| 09:47 | <ltspbot> ogra: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 09:47 | <masus> ok
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| 09:48 | <ltsppbot> "masus" pasted "dhcp" (17 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/202
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| 09:48 | <masus> http://pastebot.ltsp.org/202
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| 09:48 | <ogra> ok, that looks default
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| 09:49 | <masus> do u want ssh access ?
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| 09:49 | <ogra> nope
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| 09:49 | <masus> :)
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| 09:49 | <ogra> during boot you should see some IP data above the connection refused ... i.e. rootpath and rootserver
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| 09:50 | is the rootserver right ?
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| 09:50 | <masus> yes
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| 09:50 | 192.168.0.1
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| 09:50 | <ogra> (must be the nfs server)
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| 09:50 | <masus> i have only one server
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| 09:50 | <ogra> do you see anything in the daemon.log abotu the nfs attempt ?
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| 09:50 | <masus> 192.168.0.1
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| 09:51 | Jul 3 16:42:44 ubuntu in.tftpd[4900]: tftp: client does not accept options
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| 09:51 | <ogra> could there be any oter dhcp server in your network that the clients can see ? i.e. a DSL router with a builtin one ?
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| 09:51 | <masus> no
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| 09:51 | <ogra> weird
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| 09:51 | ps ax|grep nfs returns a bunch of nfsd processes ?
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| 09:52 | <ltsppbot> "masus" pasted "daemon" (18 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/203
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| 09:53 | "masus" pasted "nfs" (11 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/204
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| 09:53 | <masus> http://pastebot.ltsp.org/204
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| 09:54 | and this is the daemon log http://pastebot.ltsp.org/203
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| 09:55 | <ogra> that looks pretty broken i wonder what triggers the "nfssvc: writing fds to kernel failed: errno 0 (Success)"
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| 09:56 | which nfs-server are you using ? "dpkg -l |grep nfs"
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| 09:56 | <masus> 1.0.12-4
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| 09:56 | <ogra> which package .... nfs-kernel-server ?
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| 09:57 | <masus> ii libnfsidmap2 0.18-0build1 An nfs idmapping library
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| 09:57 | ii nfs-common 1.0.12-4 NFS support files common to client and serve
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| 09:57 | ii nfs-kernel-server 1.0.12-4 support for NFS kernel server
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| 09:57 | <ogra> looks fine
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| 09:57 | <masus> :S
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| 09:57 | <cliebow_> y
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| 09:57 | <masus> cat /etc/exports --> /opt/ltsp *(ro,no_root_squash,async)
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| 09:57 | <ogra> something is really broken in your system, i have no real idea why nfssvc freaks out here
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| 09:57 | <masus> ;(
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| 09:58 | <ogra> yeah, the config is fine everywhere ...
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| 09:58 | but something disallows you to write to the kerels filedescriptors
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| 09:58 | *kernels
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| 09:59 | <ogra> did you play around with any nfs parts ?
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| 09:59 | <masus> this is my 5. day and i'm /opt/ltsp *(ro,no_root_squash,async)
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| 09:59 | bushed now
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| 09:59 | no
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| 09:59 | i don't play
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| 09:59 | it's a fresh copy
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| 09:59 | <ogra> well, you played (and broke) your hosts.allow
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| 10:00 | <masus> only if is going something wrong
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| 10:00 | <ogra> *with your
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| 10:00 | <masus> oh one mom i have done something
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| 10:00 | sudo invoke-rc.d nfs-kernel-server restart
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| 10:00 | sudo invoke-rc.d nfs-common restart
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| 10:00 | sudo invoke-rc.d portmap restart
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| 10:01 | and servername ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC this -----> to servername,192.168.0.1 ssh-rsa AAA
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| 10:01 | i have 2 ethernet cards can that doing something ?
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| 10:02 | <ogra> no thats fine
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| 10:02 | and restarting the services shouldnt break anything either
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| 10:02 | where did you change the servername stuff ?
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| 10:03 | <masus> "/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts"
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| 10:04 | <ogra> what made ou think you should touch it ?
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| 10:04 | (it doesnt affect nfs but will likely break your logins later)
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| 10:05 | <masus> i do all changes back
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| 10:05 | <ogra> right
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| 10:05 | dont miss any :)
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| 10:06 | <masus> i have do one more change --> the gdm.conf -->>
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| 10:06 | [xdmcp]
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| 10:06 | enable=false to enable=true
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| 10:06 | rollback ?
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| 10:06 | <ogra> we dont use XDMCP in ltsp5
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| 10:07 | <masus> hmmm
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| 10:07 | <ogra> so it doesnt matter
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| 10:07 | and wont affect nfs either
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| 10:07 | <masus> ok
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| 10:07 | <ogra> there is something wrong but i have no clue what, you must have changed more
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| 10:07 | <masus> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ThinClientHowto
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| 10:07 | here are the changes what i have do
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| 10:08 | <masus> but i have do all back
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| 10:08 | <ogra> EEEK
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| 10:08 | thats crap
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| 10:09 | dont read that page ... wipe all info you got from there from your mind immediately
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| 10:09 | ;)
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| 10:09 | !ubuntu
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| 10:09 | <ltspbot> ogra: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 10:09 | <ogra> thats the only source you should use for installation
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| 10:09 | <masus> ther is no /etc/ltsp.con
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| 10:09 | f
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| 10:09 | <ogra> ThinclientHowto breaks a lot and is totally complicated
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| 10:09 | <masus> is this right ?
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| 10:09 | <cliebow_> EEEk!!
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| 10:10 | <ogra> there is an /etc/lts.conf in te chroot
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| 10:10 | but dont touch it now
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| 10:10 | <masus> hmm
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| 10:10 | :)
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| 10:10 | <ogra> really, all you have to do is decribed in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 10:11 | if you did anything beyond it might have broken something
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| 10:12 | note that the lts.conf in ltsp5 is only used to override autodetection the whole system will work fine without it
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| 10:13 | <ogra> so dont touch it until you first logged in via a thin client ... *then* you can change it piece by piece if you see the need
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| 10:13 | same goes for any other stuff ...
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| 10:13 | if anything doesnt work, dont start to randomly change files
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| 10:13 | <masus> hmm but realy first i have change nothing
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| 10:13 | and the clients was state at ready
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| 10:14 | so u have said me to clear the word splash
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| 10:14 | <ogra> and quiet, right
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| 10:14 | <masus> and quiet ,
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| 10:14 | after there was connection refused
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| 10:14 | so i don'T want to disturb u and have little googled
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| 10:14 | :)
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| 10:14 | <ogra> right but you had changed hosts.allow ...
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| 10:14 | <masus> after google yes ;)
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| 10:15 | <ogra> right
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| 10:16 | <masus> ok i have do all changes back and will test it again, if not i'll do install afresh copy again
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| 10:16 | so i can see
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| 10:17 | will come back and say u the result
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| 10:17 | <ogra> it might be that you need a reboot after the fresh install to make nfs work properly, but it should work then
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| 10:17 | many peope use it without probelms ...
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| 10:17 | and /me i'm talking to myself :P
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| 10:21 | <masus> :)
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| 10:30 | <astinus-work> Is there any way I can save the preferences for a user, like their preferred choice of DE/WM? We have several users, and the box is Ubuntu so it defaults to GNOME, but we do have 2-3 KDE users who have to keep picking it each time...
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| 10:35 | <vagrantc> well, only if you wait for a response...
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| 10:36 | <masus> :D
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| 10:36 | ehuehue super
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| 11:22 | <ogra> heh, the e2300 is really funny ... with 1024x768 the choppyness of sound is a lot less
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| 11:22 | i bet it runs fine at 800x600 :P
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| 11:23 | <jammcq> ogra: we're gonna recommend that people use the e2300 at 1024x768
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| 11:23 | <ogra> wow, at 800x600 all stuttering is gone
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| 11:23 | <jammcq> if they want higher, they'll have to buy a better workstation
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| 11:24 | <ogra> i can even see tooltips without the music stopping
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| 11:24 | * jammcq wonders what would happen if you weren't using vesa | |
| 11:24 | <ogra> i'm using sis
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| 11:24 | Xorg defaults to it
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| 11:24 | <jammcq> oh
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| 11:24 | <ogra> (i dont use a config, remember?)
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| 11:24 | * jammcq was confuzled | |
| 11:25 | <ogra> it defaults to sis and sadly automatically the highest res my panel can display (1280x1024)
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| 11:25 | <vagrantc> you poor, poor thing.
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| 11:25 | <ogra> we'll need som xrandr calls in ldm :)
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| 11:25 | that will solve XMODE for ubuntu as well ...
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| 11:25 | <vagrantc> oh, evil
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| 11:25 | <ogra> we can make that optional if it distrubs you :)
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| 11:26 | bah, got choppy again
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| 11:26 | <vagrantc> well, it's quite the hackish workaround ... configuring your resolution from your display manager ...
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| 11:26 | <ogra> vagrantc, not at all ... i pla to do that for the keymap as well
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| 11:26 | must not be *inside* ldm
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| 11:27 | but both need to run after X is up
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| 11:27 | <vagrantc> it's quite the hackish workaround, configuring your keymap from the display manager
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| 11:27 | <ogra> not if you dont use any config file :P
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| 11:28 | <vagrantc> how will it be implemented running GDM or KDM as a diskless workstation ?
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| 11:28 | <ogra> there is either the option to use a partial config but that forces us to debconf again which i urgently want to avoid or to use setxkbmap
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| 11:28 | <ogra> i really prefer the latter as every configuring of X will cost us time again
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| 11:28 | <vagrantc> yeah, sure.
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| 11:29 | <ogra> and i dont want to loose what we have achieved
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| 11:29 | <vagrantc> that said ...
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| 11:29 | how will it be implemented running GDM or KDM as a diskless workstation ?
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| 11:29 | <ogra> we could have a wrapper for the X binary ...
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| 11:29 | divert it and have a script that calls xrandr and setxkbmap
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| 11:29 | after X is up
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| 11:29 | <vagrantc> right
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| 11:30 | while still a little ugly, seems better than having LDM specific code
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| 11:30 | <ogra> i find it quite elegant to do it that way btw ...
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| 11:30 | its what xrandr is for
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| 11:31 | * jammcq is anxious to see what ogra will do when he encounters a monitor that lies about its DDC info | |
| 11:31 | <ogra> jammcq, X fals back t 800x600 afaik
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| 11:31 | <cliebow_> smack it up side of da head 8~)_
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| 11:32 | <ogra> i need to find such a monitor that supports a decent resolution
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| 11:32 | the ones i have that lie about DDC are vga
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| 11:32 | <jammcq> what do you consider *decent*
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| 11:32 | <ogra> more than 640x480
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| 11:33 | * jammcq is finding it hard to work on anything smaller than 1920x1200 | |
| 11:33 | <ogra> i still have one or the other 14" tube around
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| 11:33 | but everything else does DDC fine
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| 11:34 | jammcq, thats te reason why i made the change in ubuntu already and called for tests on planet :)
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| 11:34 | so we have time to revert or come up with something different in case i get to many bugs
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| 11:36 | i'm pondering to poke around with what "Xorg -config" produces though
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| 11:36 | <vagrantc> it used to be slightly useable
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| 11:36 | <ogra> but thats indeed again a slowdown we dont need if done differntly
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| 11:36 | vagrantc, well, we need to replace keymap and modes in it still
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| 11:36 | <vagrantc> i'magine with the improved autodetection it would be a lot better
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| 11:37 | X -xkbmap FOO
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| 11:37 | <ogra> well it produces good files here, i havent seen it fail yet ...
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| 11:37 | that works ?
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| 11:37 | <vagrantc> X -xkbmap FOO -configure
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| 11:37 | don't know
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| 11:37 | * ogra lols about the internat radio music ... | |
| 11:37 | <ogra> *internet even
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| 11:42 | <ogra> vagrantc, no option like that :/
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| 11:43 | <vagrantc> ah well.
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| 11:43 | was present in xorg 7.1.0
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| 11:44 | <ogra> 7.2-3ubuntu3 here
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| 11:44 | 7.1 didnt have the new xrandr and thus not all the autodetection stuff
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| 12:08 | <mhterres> hello guys
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| 12:12 | <cliebow_> ho!
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| 12:16 | <mhterres> hi cliebow, how u doing ?
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| 12:18 | <cliebow_> just baack from vacation..in time to get tomorrow off 8~
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| 12:18 | )
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| 12:25 | <mhterres> :-)
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| 12:54 | <fil_> hi
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| 12:55 | anybody knows how to let a pc with 3com 3c509 isa-card to work?
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| 12:55 | as a client.
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| 12:56 | I downloaded the image from a site , but it doesn't work
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| 13:06 | the ROM-O-MATIC one doesn't work!
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| 13:06 | <cliebow_> fil_:
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| 13:07 | hmmm. it otter..does it do first dhcp but not second?
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| 13:07 | <fil_> yes
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| 13:07 | no
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| 13:07 | <cliebow_> so with isa cards you need to pass optionds to the kernel
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| 13:08 | it does first dhcp?
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| 13:08 | <fil_> no
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| 13:08 | it stops before
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| 13:08 | <cliebow_> this is on a floppy?
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| 13:09 | does the kernel load?
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| 13:09 | <fil_> doesn't reach the dhcp server
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| 13:09 | yes floppy
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| 13:09 | <cliebow_> floppies are pretty unreliable...ave you tried a few?
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| 13:10 | <fil_> yes
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| 13:11 | first the pc read the floppy at boot saying something about: "starting pxe.."
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| 13:11 | <cliebow_> so it is in truth trying to do pxe instaed of etherboot
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| 13:11 | <fil_> and then it prints on the screen many lines of numbers
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| 13:12 | ...and never stops!!
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| 13:13 | <cliebow_> this in ubuntu? i think you may have to feed it the pxelinux.0 if it is trying to do pxe
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| 13:14 | <fil_> I think my kind netcard it's not good for pxe, maybe
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| 13:15 | <cliebow_> must you use isa card? they are prb not good for more than 20 meg networks
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| 13:15 | whoops
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| 13:15 | 10 meg
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| 13:15 | <fil_> no its debian, but the server is alright, I already tested it with a new client PC with integrated netcard.
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| 13:16 | <cliebow_> i'll be back in a few..gotta run upstairs..
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| 13:18 | <fil_> ok, If you don't find me , I will use another nick "filorp"
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| 13:30 | ..I'm going to try to update a kind of firmware from 3com named "MBA"
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| 13:30 | ...to enable pxe capability on my netcard
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| 13:31 | <rcy> 3com MBA is what we use here
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| 13:41 | <filorp> ok I changed pc
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| 13:42 | rcy
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| 13:42 | you use 3com MBA?
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| 13:43 | <rcy> yes
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| 13:43 | which does pxe
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| 13:43 | <vagrantc> with isa cards ?
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| 13:44 | <filorp> what kind of netcard are you using exactly?
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| 13:44 | <rcy> vagrantc: oh, isa, hell no.
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| 13:44 | they are 3c509s built into some old dell mobos
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| 13:44 | * vagrantc didn't know there were non-isa 3c509s | |
| 13:45 | <filorp> isa of course
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| 13:45 | <rcy> lemme double check when i get down there, just heading out now.
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| 13:45 | <filorp> but mine is 3c509b
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| 13:45 | <rcy> i could very well be spreading lies
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| 13:45 | <filorp> never heard about "3c509s"
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| 13:46 | <rcy> i meant 3c509 plural
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| 13:47 | <filorp> aaaa ok :)
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| 13:47 | <vagrantc> me too
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| 13:48 | <filorp> rcy
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| 13:49 | so you downloaded the MBA from the 3com website?
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| 13:49 | for your cards
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| 13:52 | anyway I'm going to try it
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| 15:13 | <aaron|feldman> hi all
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| 15:13 | hope everything is going well
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| 15:19 | <efra> hi aaron|feldman, everything is going well
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| 16:03 | <aaron|feldman> hi efra
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| 16:03 | had given up
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| 16:27 | <aaron|feldman> bye all
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| 17:13 | <vagrantc> hrm. ltspfs requires actual backporting.
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| 21:28 | <chupacabra> ping
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| 22:31 | <MrMoo> ok, how does one debug Gutsy X11 if the frame buffer completely disappears? :(
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| 22:32 | I've also noted good speed bumps on really slow hardware (Geode) disabling freetype and enabling the X11 backing store
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| 22:33 | the freetype might be due to traditional Chinese complicated characters
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| 22:37 | <chupacabra> hmm
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| 22:37 | <MrMoo> it took almost a year to get the thin client usable :O thanks to LTSP 4.2 !
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| 23:07 | <rcy> what is the difference between the 3 ltsp directories and kernels in /tftpboot/lts, in version 4.2?
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| 23:08 | just the kernel versions?
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| 23:09 | <MrMoo> what are they?
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| 23:09 | <rcy> drwxrwxr-x 3 root root 1024 2006-04-17 06:13 2.6.16.1-ltsp-2
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| 23:09 | drwxrwxr-x 3 root root 1024 2006-08-11 19:29 2.6.17.8-ltsp-1
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| 23:09 | drwxrwxr-x 3 root root 1024 2007-06-01 14:55 2.6.20.9-ltsp-1
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| 23:10 | <MrMoo> different kernel versions in case something breaks I guess
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| 23:14 | I don't have the 2.6.20 in my tree
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| 23:15 | 2.6.16 looks like LTSP 4.2 rel and update 1
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| 23:15 | 2.6.17 is update 2
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| 23:16 | so its just to be compatible among the 4.2 release
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| 23:16 | <rcy> hm
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| 23:16 | the -2 or -1 is the update?
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| 23:17 | <MrMoo> I would guess the -2 is a LTSP re-build of that kernel version
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| 23:18 | <rcy> ah
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| 23:18 | <MrMoo> so their packaging release number
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| 23:18 | <rcy> do those kernels disable ide stuff?
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| 23:18 | i have a harddrive in a couple clients, but dmesg doesnt show the disks at all
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| 23:19 | <MrMoo> no local devices by default I believe
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| 23:19 | the block devices take up a lot of space and time
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| 23:19 | <chupacabra> why should it?
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| 23:19 | <rcy> so i need to build my own kernel for those clients
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| 23:19 | <chupacabra> disconnect them
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| 23:20 | the hd
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| 23:20 | <MrMoo> space wise: there are oodles of disk devices, time wise: ide and scsi have "settling" times measured in seconds
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| 23:20 | <rcy> i want to access disks on some clients
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| 23:20 | <MrMoo> i think there is a page on the wiki ...
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| 23:20 | you can enable USB disk and CD fairly easily
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| 23:20 | <chupacabra> rcy: worry about that later
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| 23:20 | <vagrantc_> you probably just have to load the appropriate kernel modules
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| 23:21 | <rcy> i have ltsp working fine, but we have a machine for wiping harddrives that i want to netboot... thinking about piggy backing it off ltsp
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| 23:21 | <chupacabra> he aint even got ltsp it would seem
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| 23:21 | <rcy> and possibly os installation
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| 23:21 | <chupacabra> ahhh
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| 23:21 | thanks
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| 23:22 | what do you use for wiping?
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| 23:23 | <rcy> dban currently, though im ripping dwipe out of it and planning to put it in a simple netboot system
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| 23:23 | <chupacabra> and why do you need to wipe if netbooting?
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| 23:23 | <MrMoo> rcy: ok here's a wiki page: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LocalMedia
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| 23:24 | you need to add ""ide_generic" module and enable local devices
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| 23:24 | <rcy> we have harddrives we need to wipe. we can boot off a floppy or a cd, but i figure we might as well netboot. then we can run dwipe or shred or whatever to destroy the data on the disks
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| 23:24 | <chupacabra> just dd them all 0s
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| 23:24 | <vagrantc_> well, that doesn't really destroy the data
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| 23:25 | <chupacabra> whatever
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| 23:25 | <vagrantc_> you need at least 4 passes of random data to have a real wipe
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| 23:25 | <rcy> whatever... we still need to boot into a linux system to run $WIPE software
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| 23:25 | <MrMoo> woohoo, I actually have the link at hand: http://www.nber.org/sys-admin/overwritten-data-guttman.html
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| 23:25 | <vagrantc_> freegeek has a setup very much like what you're describing ... network boot disk wiping system
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| 23:25 | <chupacabra> this is not ltsp oriented
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| 23:26 | <rcy> vagrantc_: re freegeek build stuff, you suggested asking on the startup@ list... still waiting to get the moderator to pass my subscription request
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| 23:26 | <vagrantc_> it's still probably booting on lessdisks ... but
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| 23:26 | <rcy> vagrantc_: i search the freegeek wiki, couldnt find info
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| 23:26 | <chupacabra> i am paid to stay in scope
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| 23:26 | <rcy> vagrantc_: who would i email at freegeek about diskwipe and build?
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| 23:27 | <vagrantc_> rcy: email address you sent the mail from ?
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| 23:27 | <rcy> rcyeske@gmail.com
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| 23:27 | <chupacabra> man dd and do it 4 times
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| 23:28 | <vagrantc_> badblocks works pretty well.
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| 23:29 | <chupacabra> ya, but if someone comes in looking for ogg vorbis help what you do?
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| 23:29 | i know. you prolly tell em you are a orvis devel.
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| 23:30 | orbis
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| 23:30 | lololol
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| 23:32 | <vagrantc_> rcy: your post should hit the startup list soonish.
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| 23:33 | <rcy> er, maybe i wasnt clear. i havent posted anything, i just subscribed, and it said that my subscription was waiting moderator approval
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| 23:33 | <vagrantc_> ah.
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| 23:33 | well, i did that then :)
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| 23:33 | <chupacabra> oops
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| 23:34 | <rcy> vagrantc_: ok thanks, ill start posting then :)
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| 23:36 | <chupacabra> thats me
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| 23:37 | <jvin248> Does anyone have any suggestions for a client that boots past running the vmlinuz+initrd steps and then drops to busybox and stops stating, "no tty: job control turned off"?
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| 23:37 | <chupacabra> i usually take a week
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| 23:37 | consider yourself luckey. heheheheeheh
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| 23:38 | jv: sounds like init has a problwm
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| 23:38 | someone can help here
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| 23:40 | <vagrantc_> jvin248: definitely seen that in the past, but it's been a while ...
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| 23:48 | <jvin248> I'm running LTSP on a Kubuntu 6.10 server. This client was working fine earlier but since replacing a DSL modem and adding the client behind a second switch it continues to stop here. A second client will boot from the same switch (but not consitently). DHCP is provided by the modem and the server has a fixed IP (I tried changing the server both authoritative and non-authoritative but no improvement). They are finding some of the
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| 23:48 | LTSP boot system (so routing seems to be working through the switches) but hang..
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| 23:49 | <MrMoo> no NFS root because wrong DHCP ?
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| 23:50 | <jvin248> how to check?
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| 23:50 | <MrMoo> well the initrd needs to mount NFS on the server and the details are usually provided by DHCP
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| 23:51 | if you are using the DSL modem there are no LTSP settings in it
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| 23:51 | unless i'm mixing your config up?
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| 23:52 | DSL <-> switch <-> server <-> second switch <-> clients ??
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| 23:53 | LTSP has its own DHCP server
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| 23:53 | and the boot process generates multiple requests
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| 23:53 | so if you had DSL & the LTSP server on the same switch your clients could hang by getting different responses
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| 23:54 | <jvin248> DSL - switch1/port1 - server then switch1/port2 - switch2 - clients (switches are chained)
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| 23:55 | <MrMoo> sounds like the first DHCP request by PXE works but the second by initrd fails from the modem
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| 23:55 | you need to physically split the networks, or disable DHCP in the modem and used static IP
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| 23:58 | <MrMoo> not all modems allow you to disable DHCP though
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| 23:58 | so you might need a second network card and plug that into your client switch
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