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03:15 | <titi> hello
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03:16 | i have a problem with ltspadmin
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03:16 | Status: 501 Protocol scheme '' is not supported
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03:16 | i'm using lenny
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03:17 | * Ryan52 wonders what ltspadmin is | |
03:17 | <Ryan52> titi: why are you using ltsp 4.2?
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03:18 | <titi> 0.25-0
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03:19 | <Ryan52> ?
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03:19 | <titi> I followed a tutorial :(
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03:19 | <Ryan52> oh, that's horrible.
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03:19 | <Ryan52> titi: uhhh...start over.
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03:20 | <titi> ok
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03:20 | <Ryan52> titi: ltsp 4.2 is really old and outdated.
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03:20 | titi: http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto
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03:20 | use that tutorial.
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03:21 | <titi> ok, but i have a second problem
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03:21 | i have a proxy
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03:21 | with dhcp
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03:22 | the first time i tried this tutoriel without success
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03:23 | <Appiah> the ubuntu server that runs ltsp is installed with everything english but i want all clients to choose another language per default
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03:23 | what's the best way to achive this?
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03:24 | <Ryan52> Appiah: change the default language on your system to it, and then change the default in the chroot to it.
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03:24 | Appiah: if you build the chroot after changing the default on your system, it should have them same, iirc.
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03:24 | <Appiah> but I wanna keep it english for admins
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03:25 | <Ryan52> fine, fine, I'll check, one second.
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03:26 | hm.
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03:26 | Appiah: LDM_LANGUAGE might do it.
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03:27 | ya, it should.
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03:27 | <Appiah> aah
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03:27 | lts.conf ;)
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03:27 | ofcourse
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03:27 | <Ryan52> then to change the login interface to the other language, change the default language in the chroot.
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03:28 | <Appiah> do you happen to know how change it in the root? chroot and then change some file(s) ?
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03:29 | <Ryan52> chroot and dpkg-reconfigure locales
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03:29 | (I think ... that's the Debian way, assuming it works on Ubuntu too)
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03:30 | <Appiah> ye it should
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03:30 | thanks Ryan52
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03:55 | <titi> I followed the great tutorial this time ;)
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03:55 | but it does not
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03:55 | client : tftp open timeout
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03:55 | I think it is because the ip given by my proxy (local), and not by the server ltsp
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03:55 | to solve this problem, you must adjust the ltsp or my proxy?
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03:56 | <Appiah> so you have two DHCP servers on the same net?
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03:56 | <titi> yes
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03:56 | <Appiah> that wont work ;)
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03:56 | you have to pick one
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03:57 | <titi> i know ;)
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03:57 | <Appiah> I'd suggest you use the "proxy" one
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03:57 | and edit it to point out tftpboots to the ltspserver
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03:58 | <titi> I tried it first, and it does not
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03:58 | <Appiah> why not?
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04:00 | <titi> I think it's because I have not said anything at ltsp
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04:00 | <Appiah> you dont really need to
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04:01 | you should need your dhcpserver on "proxy" to point the tftp on ltsp
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04:02 | <titi> ok, I'm looking for how to add it
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04:03 | <Appiah> may I ask what dhcp server this "proxy" is running?
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04:03 | <ogra> titi, your proxy dhcp needs the next-server statement, a filename directive (and if you use debian also a root-path setting) in the dhcpd.conf
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04:03 | <titi> yes and it assigns the correct ip to the machine
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04:04 | how I do this? For I myself do not know much
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04:08 | <Appiah> well what dhcp server are you running titi ?
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04:11 | <titi> v 1.4.2.2
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04:14 | and if I forward port 69 (tftp) to the ltsp server with iptables?
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04:16 | <Appiah> is it debian/ubuntu on the proxy server?
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04:16 | or what are you running? :)
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04:20 | <titi> debian etch on my proxy
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04:21 | with iptables dhcp and squid
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04:26 | <alkisg> Can I download the whole ltsp changelog from launchpad?
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04:27 | (I mean the commit messages from https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk)
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04:27 | <Appiah> titi: then just change the dhcpd.conf
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04:28 | put in the "next-server ip.to.my.ltspserver"
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04:28 | and turn off the dhcpd on the ltsp server
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04:33 | <Ryan52> alkisg: bzr branch bzrurl; cd ltsp-trunk; bzr log
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04:35 | <alkisg> Ryan52: thanks! (trying to see if a race condition that was fixed some months ago reemerged..)
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04:48 | <titi> when i turn off dhcp on ltsp server, my client has no address ip
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04:49 | when i turn on dhcp on ltsp server
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04:49 | my client has an ip, but it does not
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04:49 | good client ip
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04:49 | <titi> dhcp ip = ltsp server ip
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04:50 | but PXE-EX32 : tftp open timeout
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05:09 | <titi> ogra: what do I set filename directive?
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05:30 | <titi> tftp error : file not found, i think I do not have the proper settings for root-path and filename in my dhcpd.conf
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05:30 | <Appiah> i think you need to explain more about your setup
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05:30 | <ogra> doesnt debian ship an example file in /etc/ltsp ?
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05:30 | <Appiah> is the LTSPserver on 1 or more then 1 NIC
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05:31 | <ogra> (or /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server)
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05:32 | <titi> can you explain "NIC", because I do not understand (I'm french)
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05:33 | <ogra> Network Interface Card :)
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05:33 | or short network card
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05:33 | <titi> ok thanks
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05:34 | my ltsp sever have 1 NIC, and it's a DomU (with xen)
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05:39 | it works !!!
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05:40 | with option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386";
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05:40 | and filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";
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05:40 | <Appiah> :D
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05:40 | <ogra> right, that should be the default :)
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05:40 | <titi> thanks Appiah and orgra :-D
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05:42 | it ask me username and password
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05:55 | stupid question: What is the first login with ltsp?
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05:55 | <ogra> its a desktop user you created on the server
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05:57 | <titi> yes
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08:38 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok, I think I found a bug of sorts...
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08:38 | Ubuntu 9.04 i386 Alternative install
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08:38 | mounting a USB stick on a client works great, no need to change anything in udev rules! :D
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08:38 | unfortunately, it appears to not unmount :/
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08:39 | and then, after rebooting, the "mount" still exists on client desktops
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08:39 | it doesn't look like I can "unmount" the non-existent drive either :(
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08:48 | <ogra> unmount ?
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08:48 | you could never unmount ltspfs devices
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08:48 | just unplug
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08:48 | <_UsUrPeR_> yeah, well that's what I thought.
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08:49 | it's not removing the icon from the desktop after pulling a USB storage device out of the client
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08:49 | <ogra> on logout ldm calls ltspfsmounter cleanup
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08:49 | strange
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08:49 | i thought stgraber tested that
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08:57 | <stgraber> ?? it does here
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08:58 | <_UsUrPeR_> hmm
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08:58 | <stgraber> if I plug and unplug the USB key it'll appear and disappear
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08:58 | <_UsUrPeR_> maybe I did something wrong
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08:58 | * _UsUrPeR_ re-tests | |
08:58 | <stgraber> _UsUrPeR_: is that in the VZ setup ?
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08:59 | <_UsUrPeR_> stgraber: VZ? as in VZimage?
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08:59 | no, this is a standalone install
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09:00 | via the 9.04 alternate CD
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09:01 | ok, logout cleared it this time
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09:01 | * _UsUrPeR_ mounts usb flash drive again | |
09:01 | <_UsUrPeR_> huh. Worked this time...
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09:02 | false alarm I guess. Sorry.
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09:02 | * _UsUrPeR_ stops crying "wolf" | |
09:03 | <stgraber> hehe
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09:04 | <ogra> stgraber, btw, i made sure ltsp doesnt show up in MoM anymore
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09:04 | and filed a sync request for ltspfs (i think i subbed you)
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09:04 | <stgraber> ogra: yep, saw that, thanks
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09:04 | ogra: yup, the sync was done this morning IIRC
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09:04 | <ogra> hmm, i didnt see it yet
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09:05 | on a sidenote i fgound that i'm not mentioned anywhere in the ltspfs copyright :'-(
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09:06 | though i wrote half of it
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09:11 | <vagrantc> ogra: we'll gladly add you, i just didn't see it in the commit logs...
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09:13 | ogra: put your name and years wherever you think they belong.
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09:19 | <ogra> vagrantc, well, ltspfsmounter is my code i noticed i didnt even add a header, the python cdpinger was mine though i'm not sure that justifies my name in the copyright for the C version and all the initial script versions were mine ... i'm not in the commit logs anywhere because sbalneav made the initial bzr branch from my ubuntu package
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09:20 | <vagrantc> ogra: looks like revision 1 of the packaging sbalneav just took credit for the whole thing :)
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09:20 | <ogra> yep :)
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09:20 | i'll add myself and the headers where appropriate if i find time for it
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09:22 | <maginot> hey
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09:23 | do you know if I can experience any problem if I install cupsys on ubuntu 8.10 ? I notice that this version comes with 7.10, but 8.10 comes with cups not cupsys...
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09:24 | and Im having some issues printing to this new server, asterisks in barcode font are not printing wich didnt happen with 7.10
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09:25 | (I know this is kind off topic, but maybe you can help me)
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09:26 | <stgraber> you'll very likely hit a lot of conflict with transitional packages and all
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09:28 | <maginot> stgraber, Im having a problem, very seriously, cause Im not being able to print barcodes in the new server ... for some reason I dont know this barcode *AR12345RL* doesnt print with the asterisk, even if it show on evince... but if I print in the old server it prints ok
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09:29 | at #cups I can't get any answer, to be honest seens that everybody there is dead =/
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09:45 | <alkisg> How can I debug the logout process? Half of the times, users can't logout in Jaunty, the screen gets stuck and only shows their wallpapers and I have to zap the x-server... :(
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09:50 | <stgraber> alkisg: any localapp running ?
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09:50 | <alkisg> stgraber: nope - it's a quite clean alternate cd installation
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09:52 | <alkisg> Looks a little like another logout hanging I used to have (http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ldm-trunk/revision/1058) but that code hadn't changed since the fix... Still the same slow clients, though
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09:52 | <ogra_> alkisg, try removing fusa
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09:53 | and check if logout via the gnome-session logout works different
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09:53 | <alkisg> ogra_, I'll try. I'm not near the lab right now, so I'll test on Tuesday.
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09:54 | You mean apt-get remove fusa from the chroot, right?
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09:54 | <ogra_> no, remove the applet from the panel
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09:54 | <alkisg> Errr the server. Ah, ok
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09:54 | <ogra_> that re-enables the session logout under the system menu
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09:55 | fusa uses debus to end the session, might have something to do with it
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09:55 | *dbus
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09:55 | <alkisg> OK, but it worked fine in 8.10 with fusa
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09:55 | <ogra_> it didnt use dbus in 8.10
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09:56 | <alkisg> Thanks. Any other ideas, to try them all together?
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09:56 | <ogra_> no, no other ideas, thats also only a guess but the most obvious to try
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09:56 | <alkisg> OK, thanks ogra_! :)
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10:05 | <rjune> ogra_, !
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10:50 | <Blinny> alkisg: I've seen similar issues with Hardy if the power-manager daemon is NOT loaded in Preferences->Sessions
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10:50 | alkisg: It does eventually logout, just takes ~5 minutes to show the logout screen.
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10:51 | <alkisg> Blinny: I didn't do anything with power-manager, I left whatever jaunty has for default. I don't think I waited for 5 minutes, though... Thanks, I'll also check that :)
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10:56 | <_UsUrPeR_> does ubuntu 9.04 still generate an xorg.conf on the client?
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10:56 | * _UsUrPeR_ is having trouble figuring out how one of his TCs is working | |
10:56 | <alkisg> _UsUrPeR_: only if you set X_something
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10:57 | <_UsUrPeR_> does X_CONFIGURE = <bool> still work?
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10:57 | or was that entirely removed?
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10:57 | <alkisg> (in lts.conf - not for all X_* stuff though, e.g. colordepth and same xrandr stuff don't generate it)
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10:57 | It was removed
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10:57 | <_UsUrPeR_> I just want to see what's being generated
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10:58 | <alkisg> Get a terminal on the client and look at it (when it's generated)...
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10:58 | <_UsUrPeR_> slkisg: that's the problem. I am on my client and do not see anything in /etc/xorg.conf
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10:58 | err /etc/X11/xorg.conf :)
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10:59 | <alkisg> _UsUrPeR_: even when it's generated, it's not there
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10:59 | Do a ps -ef to see where it is, somewhere in /var ...
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11:00 | (the path is a parameter to X)
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11:00 | <_UsUrPeR_> ahh
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11:00 | /var/run/lrsp-xorg.conf
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11:13 | <droalt> lol jaunty has funny dns issues
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11:13 | thought it might have been firefox
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11:18 | <droalt> Gadi or ogra you guys around?
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11:18 | * ogra hasnt seen any DNS issues on jaunty yet | |
11:19 | <droalt> I resolved mine by manually assigning dns
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11:19 | but I had another question
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11:19 | ltsp + redirecting ltsp client cdrom into terminal services
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11:20 | by default rdesktop the ltsp server's cdrom
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11:21 | <droalt> found this to put in lts.conf LOCAL_DEVICE_01 = /dev/hdc:cdrom
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11:41 | <treyh> damn it keep getting disconnected lol
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11:41 | <droalt2> ok back to localdev and mapping ltsp client cdrom
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12:07 | <telenieko> Hi ppl. Is this the right place to ask about LTSP in Debian? (i.e: How to get it working with NBD root)
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12:07 | <vagrantc> sure.
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12:08 | though i'm heading out soon...
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12:08 | like, now.
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12:09 | telenieko: basically, you should specify ltsp-build-client --squasfs-image or --create-ext2-image when you build the environment. the rest should hopefully be handled.
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12:09 | though you should catch my typo's
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12:10 | ltsp-build-client --squashfs-image or --create-ext2-image or --create-fs-image $your_preferred_filesystem
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12:11 | <telenieko> Thanks, tryiong out now ;)
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12:29 | <droalt2> anyone have any input on redirecting ltsp client cd to rdesktop
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12:30 | <droalt> tried setting localdev = true in lts.conf with no success
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12:52 | <maginot> hey .. when a client prints a file... the file is sent from his box to the server?
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12:52 | <Blinny> maginot: Everything runs on the server. It's sent from the server to the printer.
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12:52 | <maginot> Blinny, well, even when Im using localapps ?
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12:53 | <droalt> /join #ts
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12:58 | <droalt> n/m got it lol
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12:58 | <Blinny> maginot: Hrm. I assume the localapp is connected to the server's CUPS but I wouldn't swear. :)
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12:58 | I haven't yet delved into localapps.
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13:05 | <Lns> Anyone use OOo Presentation in LTSP?
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13:07 | <alkisg> Lns, yup, my students just finished a work on impress
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13:07 | The effects are really slow :(
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13:07 | <Lns> alkisg: hey =)
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13:07 | alkisg: do you experience any issues w/TC crashes when using "Slide Show" from a thin client?
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13:07 | alkisg: http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=97906
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13:07 | <alkisg> No, no crashes, just that some effects are painfully slow
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13:08 | ....and my S3's only have 8Mb RAM
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13:08 | <Lns> alkisg: how much ram in your TCs?
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13:08 | <alkisg> 128
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13:08 | and local swap
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13:09 | <Lns> ah, local swap probably saves you
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13:09 | mine just crash outright because of the massive pixmap caching locally :(
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13:09 | I'm getting a ton of grief from all of my sites because of it
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13:09 | <alkisg> So X_RAMPREC would help you?
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13:10 | <Lns> i've had very little success with X_RAMPERC actually. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't
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13:10 | and I'm using nbd swap, so that probably bypasses it too, possibly, causing a ton of network congestion
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13:11 | But it remains that each slide of the presentation gets buffered to local X mem *twice* in the resolution of the screen
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13:12 | 50-75mb in local mem, with clients that have 128mb total :(
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13:13 | <alkisg> Ah, my students' assignements only had 4-8 slides, so a little ram was needed...
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13:13 | <Lns> well my stuff was crashing with only 2-3 slides
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13:14 | <alkisg> then how is this justified?
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13:14 | <alkisg> 2-3 slides would need 4-6Mb, right?
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13:14 | <Lns> apparently not
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13:14 | look at my first comment in http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=97906
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13:15 | 52mb for a 1-slide slideshow once you enter "Slide Show"
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13:16 | <alkisg> "so 5 x worth of full screen display resolution worst case" => so it doesn't depend on the number of slides
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13:17 | <Lns> guess not
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13:18 | <alkisg> Lns, and you have this with specific graphics cards, or with various graphics cards?
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13:18 | <Lns> mostly the same, but different sites have different systems yet experience the same thing
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13:19 | i guess it would be vidram that's running out, eh?
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13:19 | <alkisg> I'm not sure how pixmap caching is implemented, or even if it's driver - depended
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13:20 | But that (=vidram) wouldn't explain why my S3's play fine with just 8Mb ram.
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13:20 | (jaunty / OOo 3)
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13:21 | <_UsUrPeR_> am I missing something with 8.10 ltsp-localapps? I am trying to enable ip_forwarding (I have set /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward = 1), yet I still cannot use firefox/ping out from a client. what am I missing? *brain fart*
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13:21 | <Appiah> check the routes on the client
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13:21 | then see if it can reach the gateway
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13:22 | <_UsUrPeR_> oh, right
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13:22 | <_UsUrPeR_> thanks appiah
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13:22 | <Appiah> dont thank me yet ^_^
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13:22 | <alkisg> _UsUrPeR_: also, `iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE` if you want natting on the server
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13:23 | <Lns> alkisg: well i'm on OOo 2.4.1
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13:23 | but i upgraded my own server to 3 w/a PPA, and still experience the same mem usage
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13:24 | *shrugs* I just hate hearing that so many people are having bad experiences with linux in general, even if it's a corner case
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13:24 | <alkisg> Lns, ok, but it may be possible that mem usage isn't what causes the crash.
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13:24 | <_UsUrPeR_> there's a bug in 8.10 alternate where it leaves the gateway for dhcpd.conf as 192.168.0.1 while the IP for eth1 is 192.168.0.254
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13:25 | <alkisg> Lns, e.g. if you put 512 RAM in a client, it never experienced this crash?
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13:25 | <Lns> alkisg: not in my own 1220 pxe client, no
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13:25 | the good thing is, some schools are getting new HP TCs w/512mb ram
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13:26 | but that's not going to help the tons of other people out there
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13:26 | <alkisg> OK, so, if I disable swap at my school, you think I'll have the same problem, right?
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13:26 | <Lns> maybe? :)
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13:26 | <alkisg> OK, I'll try with nbd_swap (isn't that what you have?)
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13:26 | <Lns> yeah
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13:26 | <alkisg> How frequent is it?
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13:26 | <Lns> every time
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13:26 | <alkisg> Ah ok then :)
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13:27 | <Lns> normally there's a full class, 35 students in the lab
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13:27 | <alkisg> I'll try with all my 8 PCs :P
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13:27 | <Lns> all using OOo presentation, some randomly checking to see how their slideshows look by going into it..that's when the sh*t hits the fan
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13:27 | alkisg: hey thanks :) That's awesome, i'm eager to see how it works
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13:28 | <alkisg> Lns, sure - next class is on Tuesday though, so don't be too eager :)
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13:28 | <Lns> ha
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13:28 | ok
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13:31 | hmm... http://create.freedesktop.org/wiki/LTSP_and_graphics_applications heh
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13:33 | <alkisg> Ah, Lns, is it OK if I create a wiki page with lts-parameters? (and maybe if it's correct, some parts of it can be copy/pasted in lts-parameters.txt)
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13:33 | Because a lot of lts.conf parameters are missing...
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13:33 | <Lns> alkisg: haha, you don't have to ask me =) But try to keep it clean and conform to the other pages =)
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13:33 | <alkisg> Sure, could you suggest a name? UbuntuLTSP/LtsConf ?
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13:34 | <Lns> Sounds good to me
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13:34 | <alkisg> k
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13:35 | <Appiah> oh ye
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13:35 | what ever happend with that fully documented "lts.conf.example"
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13:36 | <alkisg> Yeah, that would be best...
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13:41 | <Blinny> Anyone ever written a 'Please wait' dialog for a long-ish script? I'm thinking something like zenity --progress but w/out the cancel button.
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13:43 | <maginot> on cups who converts the files from pdf to ps when you print some pdf file?
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13:43 | <Blinny> ghostscript ?
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13:43 | <maginot> gs ?
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13:44 | so its cups -> gs filter -> printer or is cups -> ps filter -> printer ?
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13:44 | <Blinny> set cups LogLevel debug and find out for sure!
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13:47 | <alkisg> Blinny: there's such a dialog in ldm, it's displayed when the nbd image is changed and the clients have to reboot
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13:47 | <maginot> Blinny, I did but I cant see anything better
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13:51 | <Blinny> alkisg: yeah those almost always have 'OK' buttons though
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13:51 | <alkisg> Blinny: no, I don't think it has any buttons
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13:52 | I think it uses ldm_dialog...
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13:52 | <Blinny> Awesome. Thanks alkisg I'll check that out.
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13:54 | <alkisg> Blinny: here's a small try, I don't know all the command line parameters: echo 10 | /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/bin/ldm-dialog --progress --auto-close "test"
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13:55 | <Blinny> alkisg: Is ldm-dialog a newer thing? I don't see it in Hardy.
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13:55 | <alkisg> Hmmm it may be... I first saw it in Intrepid. Well, go for zenity :)
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13:55 | <Blinny> heh
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13:55 | Cheers mate
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14:04 | <abz______> hi guys trying to get ltsp workng - when i boot up i get the error message (when taking it off of quiet splash) of checking if image is initramfs...<7>Switched to high resolution mode on CPU 0. It is. Kernel Panic - not syncing: out of memory and no killable processes. Dumpring ftrace bufer: (ftrace buffer empty). Has 256MB RAM - any ideas?
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14:14 | <abz______> any ideas/
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14:19 | <epsas> huh
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14:19 | was this the same problem as yesterday?
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14:20 | <abz______> yeah i tried playing about with the /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default but no avail
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14:20 | any other parameters i could be throwing in there
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14:22 | <alkisg> http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt :) (don't ask me which!!!)
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14:24 | <Blinny> abz______: I would suspect it's something specific to that client. Do you have another you could try?
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14:24 | <abz______> blinny - yeah works on others just not that one
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14:24 | trying to get to bottom....really want it to work on that one!
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14:25 | <Blinny> Does it boot w/out loading X ?
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14:25 | <abz______> nope
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14:25 | cant even get to a terminal screen. craps out on tha message
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14:26 | <Blinny> Bad RAM?
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14:26 | Unsupported NIC?
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14:26 | wild guesses
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14:28 | <abz______> ordered new ram to see
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14:29 | this is the box: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140314103721&ssPageName=ADME:B:BCA:GB:1123
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14:29 | <alkisg> abz______: if it supports usb booting, you could try putting a kernel in a usb stick
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14:33 | <abz______> tryin that just now!!!
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15:55 | <alkisg> Lns: did you try increasing the nbd swap space? It's <30Mb normally, why not try to get it to e.g. 256 Mb just to test if the problem goes away?
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15:56 | <epsas> does anyone else have problems using nv xorg drivers with ltsp?
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15:56 | <Lns> alkisg: I didn't try that actually
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15:56 | <epsas> was wondering if there are fancy X..= config values i should be placing in my lts.conf
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15:56 | <Lns> I used to have all sites at 256mb but that seemed to cause the TCs to take FOREVER to boot (3-4 minutes)
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15:57 | <alkisg> Btw, how can one increase the nbd_swap space?
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15:59 | Ah, /etc/ltsp/nbdswapd.conf ... `man nbdswapd` should mention that :(
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17:04 | <Lns> http://wiki.getdeb.net/ - hmmmm...
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23:09 | <epsas> http://open.eucalyptus.com/
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23:10 | how about this on ltsp?
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23:10 | thoughts?
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