IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 9 January 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:00 | <johnny> i see it in the client scripts
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| 00:30 | * sutula bids all goodnight | |
| 00:33 | <ari_stress> goodnight sutula
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| 00:34 | sleep tight
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| 00:34 | :)
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| 04:53 | <wdg> hi, i installed ltsp on lenny server following this http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto --- but when I boot a PXE client I got mounting issues. Anyone can help -- thanks
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| 05:09 | <PerfDave> wdg: What sort of "mounting issues" do you get?
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| 05:12 | <futrzak> hi! What I would like to do using LTSP is to boot thinclients and run FlashPlayer (without a way to close it) skipping login screens (or autologin). Is that possible?
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| 05:16 | <wdg> PerfDave:mount: Mounting /dev/nbd0 on /rofs failed: No such device
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| 05:16 | mount: Mounting unionfs on /root failed: No such device
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| 05:16 | mount: Mounting /rofs on /root/rofs failed: Invalid argument
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| 05:16 | etc.
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| 05:17 | <PerfDave> Hmm, I don't think I can help with that, but now you've stated your problem clearly, others might be able to.
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| 05:19 | <sep> wdg, try adding root=nfs on the kernel boot arguments
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| 05:21 | <sep> since your ltsp tries to use nbd, but the howto uses nfs
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| 05:26 | <wdg> sep: i have alreay root=/dev/nfs in my pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 05:27 | Is there some bug in the default debian way for lenny
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| 05:31 | <sep> more like a transistion from nfs style to nbd style i think
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| 05:33 | wdg, id try more with the kernel arguments atlest you should get it to mount the root fs as nfs, and not use nbd0 at all
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| 05:33 | or even better. help try the nbd style in debian :)
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| 05:35 | <wdg> sep: how can I change that ??
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| 05:36 | <sep> wdg, i also see there is a package in sid trying to get into lenny, so it might fix things
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| 05:40 | <wdg> sep: I saw this also but I would like to go with this project and not waiting anymore
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| 05:40 | <sep> wdg, wget the ltsp package from sid and try on your lenny
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| 05:41 | and recreate the chroot
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| 06:26 | <Big-K> hey guys
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| 06:26 | have a little problem
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| 06:27 | there are always 2 icons of the same mountdevice
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| 06:27 | what's wrong?
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| 06:27 | <ogra> debian ?
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| 06:27 | <Big-K> uh
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| 06:27 | sry
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| 06:27 | debian etch
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| 06:27 | ltsp 5
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| 06:27 | gnome 2.2
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| 06:27 | <ogra> known bug
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| 06:27 | there are actually two mounts :)
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| 06:27 | <Big-K> arrrrghhh
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| 06:27 | sure?
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| 06:27 | <ogra> ubuntus gnomevfs supresses one of them
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| 06:28 | see the mount command :)
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| 06:28 | <Big-K> aha
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| 06:28 | theres only 1 mountpoint in /media
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| 06:28 | <ogra> vagrant works on a fix that uses only one mount ....
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| 06:28 | theer is also a ltspfs munt in /tmp
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| 06:28 | <Big-K> aaaahhh
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| 06:28 | ok thx
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| 06:28 | <ogra> i work on a fix that uses hal instead
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| 06:29 | <PerfDave> Heh, "munt".
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| 06:29 | <ogra> (vagrants fix is likely to be reads for testing soon, mine takes a bit longer as i change the whole design)
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| 06:29 | s/reads/ready
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| 06:30 | <Big-K> where exactly is the 2nd mount point in /tmp?
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| 06:30 | <ogra> for a quick solution your could just rebuild the gnome-vfs package and put the 23_ignore_ltspfs_volumes.patch into debian/patches :)
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| 06:31 | (from ubuntu)
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| 06:31 | <Big-K> uh
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| 06:31 | hmmm
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| 06:31 | if I weren't such a linux noob ^^
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| 06:31 | <ogra> ogra@ceron:~/isos$ mount|grep ogra
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| 06:31 | ltspfs on /tmp/.ogra-ltspfs/usbdisk-sda1 type fuse.ltspfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=ogra)
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| 06:31 | /tmp/.ogra-ltspfs/usbdisk-sda1 on /media/ogra/usbdisk-sda1 type none (rw,bind)
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| 06:32 | <Big-K> thank you
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| 06:32 | <ogra> the first line is the ltspfs mount, the second one is the one you should actually see on the desktop
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| 06:32 | mounts starting with "ltspfs" are automatically ignored in ubuntu
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| 06:32 | <Big-K> aha
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| 06:33 | hmmm
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| 06:33 | maybe try ubuntu instead ...
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| 06:33 | <PerfDave> That may have its own problems ;)
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| 06:33 | <ogra> thats another option
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| 06:33 | <jammcq> heh, as ogra smiles :)
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| 06:33 | <Big-K> sure :D
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| 06:34 | <ogra> hey jammcq
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| 06:34 | <jammcq> howdy ogra
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| 06:34 | <ogra> any news from scottie ?
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| 06:34 | <jammcq> seen sbalneav?
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| 06:34 | heh
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| 06:34 | <ogra> heh
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| 06:34 | <jammcq> I'll call him later today
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| 06:34 | <ogra> he might have settled down in his cottage and enjoy the tech-less life :)
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| 06:35 | <jammcq> heh, prolly. I'm anxious to go up there and see his cabin
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| 06:35 | <ogra> i'd love to ...
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| 06:35 | but no canada trips on my list atm ...
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| 06:35 | <jammcq> maybe we'll have a hackfest there
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| 06:35 | that's easy to fix
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| 06:35 | <ogra> that'd be cool !
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| 06:36 | <jammcq> is there a location for the next UDS ?
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| 06:36 | <ogra> ltsp moved on the ubuntu CD yesetrday ...
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| 06:36 | not yet
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| 06:36 | <jammcq> ooooh
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| 06:36 | <ogra> and nothing leaked yet
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| 06:36 | <jammcq> how about brazil, are you still planning on going?
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| 06:37 | <ogra> we have a distro sprint end of the month, i expect to hear something there
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| 06:37 | no, i cant
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| 06:37 | <jammcq> bummer
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| 06:37 | <ogra> FISL satrts in release week
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| 06:37 | like last time
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| 06:37 | <jammcq> so just get your work done early
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| 06:37 | <ogra> as long as i have release work to do i'll never be able to attend
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| 06:37 | <jammcq> :(
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| 06:37 | <ogra> i cant predict which bugs they find last minute
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| 06:38 | i switched to the generic kernel btw
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| 06:38 | all clients i tested here worked fine with it
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| 06:38 | <jammcq> hmm, cool
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| 06:39 | <ogra> so we dont need a special kernel and still get on the ubutnu CD
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| 06:39 | now all thats missing is a "install terminalserver" option
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| 06:42 | <Big-K> xubuntu has that option!?
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| 06:42 | <ogra> yes, but i dont think anyone tested it during the last releases ymmv
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| 06:42 | <Big-K> aha
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| 06:42 | <ogra> the xubuntu dev team was pretty dead for a while ... just came to life again
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| 06:54 | <wdg> anyone can help, installed ltsp-server in lenny and buid client with ltsp-build-client --- when I boot PXE client I got some Mounting error --- followed how to http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto errors are mount: Mounting /dev/nbd0 on /rofs failed: No such device
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| 06:54 | mount: Mounting unionfs on /root failed: No such device
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| 06:54 | mount: Mounting /rofs on /root/rofs failed: Invalid argument
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| 06:54 | etc.
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| 06:54 | is there a bug in lenny package ??
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| 06:54 | thanks
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| 06:56 | <PerfDave> wdg: Have you looked on the bug tracking system?
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| 07:00 | <wdg> PerfDave: yes, but didn't found anything in this direction, tried already so many things
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| 07:01 | <ogra> wdg, that sounds like half implemented squashfs support
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| 07:02 | looks like the squashfs and unionfs modules are missing in the client initramfs (just a guess, ask vagrant if he comes in, he is porting my stuff from ubuntu atm)
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| 07:06 | <wdg> when I add boot=nfs in the kernel arguments the client is booting no errors anymore (but by the default installation this argument is not there
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| 07:09 | my default kernel arguments are 'DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img root=/dev/nfs ip=dhcp boot=nfs' --- the only thing I addes is boot=nfs
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| 07:14 | <exodos> wdg: can you check if you have /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/ltsp_nbd ?
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| 07:14 | and force_load nbd squashfs unionfs in it
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| 07:58 | <wdg> exodos: all these is there and force_load
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| 07:59 | but now the client boot with the boot=nfs option
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| 08:27 | <cliebow_> lmoquist:you around??
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| 08:28 | moquist:you around??
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| 08:32 | moquist:i got it..no worries
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| 10:01 | <jamiejackcumbria> Anyone got any ideas why fuse will not mount removable media on my clients or may be help me debug this issue please?
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| 10:01 | <johnny> need to provide more details
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| 10:01 | like what distro
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| 10:02 | <jamiejackcumbria> Sorry is edubuntu gusty.
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| 10:03 | <johnny> that's a registered bug
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| 10:03 | on launchpad
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| 10:03 | <jamiejackcumbria> It did work one some clients and noton others but now noneof them work. The users have a tick next to them in user accounts tomount files systems like fuse if that helps.
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| 10:04 | <johnny> you have to make two modifications to scripts
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| 10:04 | <jamiejackcumbria> Ah thanks. I'll check itout
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| 10:04 | <johnny> simple ones at least
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| 10:53 | <cdealer_> good afternoon to all
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| 10:54 | ogra: I need a litle help over here
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| 10:54 | ogra: mounting devices with a non root user its okay over here, but when I try to umount I get a permission error saying that the user is not root... how can I solve this ?
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| 10:54 | <johnny> you shouldn't talk to people directly unless you really need their personal help, otherwise just ask the channel
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| 10:55 | people get annoyed when you do that
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| 10:55 | <cdealer_> johnny: usualy ogra and vagrantc are the only who answer to my questions... but okay, if anyone else can help me I will be glad in the same way =)
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| 10:56 | <johnny> they are less likely to answer if you ping them directly
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| 10:57 | <vagrantc> cdealer_: well, while the error may be ugly as far as unmounting, it should be harmless to remove the devices after 2 seconds
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| 10:58 | but nautilus or gnome-vfs or whatever should probably be patched to recognize fuse filesystems, and know how to unmount them
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| 10:58 | <johnny> you're lucky you even get an unmount option
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| 10:58 | vagrantc, with the nautilus gvfs rewrite, it shouldn't be the same situation anymmore
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| 10:58 | it should be a lot easier to handle (or so they say)
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| 10:58 | <cdealer_> well... the umount option is there, but I cant umount, aways the same "you are not root" error =/
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| 10:58 | <johnny> there is no proper fix for that atm
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| 10:59 | not until the new gnome
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| 10:59 | <cdealer_> vagrantc: are you saying to just remove the device directly ?
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| 10:59 | <johnny> that is what he said
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| 10:59 | just pull it out
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| 10:59 | <vagrantc> cdealer_: indeed.
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| 10:59 | <johnny> vagrantc, i'm pretty excited about gvfs.. it's just hard to introduce such things within a fixed 6 month release schedule
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| 11:00 | <vagrantc> cdealer_: while the server sees the device as mounted, the physical device gets unmounted after 2 seconds of inactivity...
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| 11:00 | cdealer_: so as long as you're not actively writing to it, it should be safe to remove
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| 11:01 | * vagrantc notes the "i can't unmount ltspfs devices" as the question of the week | |
| 11:01 | <vagrantc> third person to ask about it this last week
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| 11:02 | <johnny> hmm.. need a wiki page for common channel questions perhaps
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| 11:02 | <ogra> vagrantc, i didnt have that for months
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| 11:03 | <cdealer_> ok... thanks for the advices...
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| 11:03 | <vagrantc> ogra: the "unmount" option?
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| 11:03 | <johnny> ogra, did you get my PM? gnome release time is comin up soon
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| 11:04 | <ogra> teh question
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| 11:04 | johnny, yes, i fifnshed a meeting a min ago
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| 11:04 | gnoome usually releases two weeks before ubuntu
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| 11:04 | so there is plenty of time for fixes ;)
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| 11:05 | <johnny> but i meant for the freeze and such
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| 11:05 | <ogra> there are ways around freezes, dont worry ...
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| 11:05 | <johnny> some of the patches are unnecessary now
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| 11:05 | most of them in fact
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| 11:05 | i merged the non executable python scripts
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| 11:05 | <ogra> right
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| 11:05 | <johnny> and federico came up with a fix he considered correct for the no profile one
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| 11:06 | <ogra> yeah, i saw that
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| 11:06 | (i think i commented)
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| 11:06 | <johnny> cool
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| 11:07 | i dont know if i'll come up with anything substantial before release time, but i'd liek to do a few more things anyways
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| 11:07 | i just got the account last weekish
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| 11:07 | <johnny> i'll be going over the sabayon bug reports for ubuntu as well
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| 11:07 | <ogra> cool
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| 11:08 | <johnny> ubuntu,debian,opensuse, and fedora is what i'll start with
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| 11:08 | i hope the other folks triage the bugs based on that
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| 11:10 | i don't think too much significant will happen before release time, as i'm still getting to know the codebase (and python)
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| 11:10 | i'd just like to get the common crashers taken care of
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| 11:11 | and go over some of the *_TO_IGNORE stuff
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| 11:49 | <Gadi> ogra: ping
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| 12:40 | <slidesinger> Hello jammcq
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| 12:40 | <jammcq> hey slidesinger
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| 12:41 | <slidesinger> How are things in Michigan?
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| 12:41 | <jammcq> pretty nice. it's cooled off a bit. we had some warm tempuratures
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| 13:11 | <slidesinger> Yeah, we got those here.
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| 13:11 | I was driving down the road today and saw someone wearing nothing but a pair of shorts.
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| 14:56 | <Drakeweb> any help with a sound problem? when playing sound on my thin client, it is heard through the server speaker!
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| 14:57 | <cliebow_> Drakeweb, that is ltsp4.2?
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| 14:58 | <Drakeweb> nope - 5
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| 14:59 | <cliebow_> i must defer to ogra..somehow the redirect of sound to /dev/dsp is screwy
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| 15:00 | <Drakeweb> I was also hoping ogra could help on this!
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| 15:01 | <cliebow_> he may be sleeping
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| 15:02 | http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net/msg33161.html
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| 15:03 | <Drakeweb> ha ha - that's my question! I've checked all those things and everything is in place and ok
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| 15:04 | <cliebow_> oh well adam..and i thought i was being helpful
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| 15:06 | <Drakeweb> damn computer dropped me out!
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| 15:06 | did I miss anything helpful?
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| 15:06 | <cliebow_> afraid not
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| 15:06 | oh well adam..and i thought i was being helpful
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| 15:07 | <Drakeweb> no probs, thanks for trying!
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| 15:07 | <cliebow_> 8~)
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| 17:09 | <vagrantc> otavio: hey, i may need help with dpatch or quilt or something later
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| 17:10 | <vagrantc> otavio: regarding that while loop code yesterday ... i think it would be good to have a workaround in debian, but maybe shouldn't go upstream
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| 17:10 | <otavio> vagrantc: ok
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| 17:11 | <vagrantc> i still have no clue why it works the way it does ...
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| 17:14 | otavio: i also am still unsure about: #454478: ltspfsd should not recommends ldm
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| 17:14 | otavio: i really think a suggests is more appropriate, and leae it at that
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| 17:14 | s,leae,leave,
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| 17:14 | and i'm going to test the usbfloppy support stuff that stratus posted so long ago
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| 17:15 | it might address #432669: ltspfs: cdpinger report error if /var/run/ltspfs_fstab is missing , since cdpinger was rewritten in C
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| 17:16 | so i'll try to test that
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| 17:17 | <otavio> vagrantc: probably cdpinger could be rewriten
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| 17:17 | <vagrantc> otavio: again?
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| 17:17 | <otavio> vagrantc: it's very simple code.
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| 17:17 | <vagrantc> otavio: the bug was reported on the python version
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| 17:17 | <otavio> vagrantc: to avoid C
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| 17:17 | <vagrantc> otavio: well, it was re-written in C for size reasons ... the python version consumed way too much memory
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| 17:18 | <otavio> ahhh ok
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| 17:18 | so it should stay as C, indeed
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| 17:20 | <vagrantc> otavio: i could also use some help with the ldm hooks ... want to move the ltspfs-specific ldm hooks from ldm to ltspfsd ... but i'm having trouble figuring out how to do that in Makefile.am
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| 17:21 | <otavio> vagrantc: sure. Just point me the repository to get and I can look into it
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| 17:22 | <vagrantc> otavio: ltspfs is at: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltspfs/ltspfs-trunk/
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| 17:22 | otavio: ldm is at: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ldm-trunk/
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| 17:23 | otavio: want to move ldm's scripts/* to ltspfs's scripts dir (or somewhere else, if it makes more sense)
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| 17:25 | <vagrantc> otavio: i guess the simplest thing would be to make a new directory and copy the whole directory or something
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| 17:27 | <otavio> bzr is soooooooo slow! :(
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| 17:40 | vagrantc: got the source
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| 17:40 | vagrantc: where I push it?
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| 17:41 | <vagrantc> otavio: wherever you want :)
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| 17:46 | <otavio> vagrantc: on alioth, main is upstream?
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| 17:47 | <vagrantc> otavio: well, pkg-ltsp/main is just ltsp's upstream ...
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| 17:47 | well, sort of
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| 17:47 | i've been just merging the last debian release into pkg-ltsp/main
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| 17:48 | otavio: i'd put it in a sub-dir ... pkg-ltsp/ltspfs/some-ltspfs-branch
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| 17:48 | otavio: and do a bzr init-repo on pkg-ltsp/ltspfs
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| 17:48 | since it doesn't actually share much code with ltsp
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| 17:53 | <otavio> vagrantc: http://alioth.debian.org/~otavio/bzr/ltspfs/ldm-hooks/
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| 17:53 | vagrantc: one
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| 17:54 | <vagrantc> we should probably put all the ltsp stuff into a sub-dir, just to make the distinctions clear
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| 17:54 | <otavio> vagrantc: waiting ldm to finish
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| 17:59 | <vagrantc> Making all in ldm
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| 17:59 | make[3]: Entering directory `/tmp/ldm-hooks/scripts/ldm'
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| 17:59 | make[3]: *** No rule to make target `all'. Stop.
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| 18:00 | otavio: scripts/ldm/Makefile.in and scripts/ldm/Makefile never got generated
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| 18:00 | <otavio> vagrantc: run autogen again
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| 18:01 | <vagrantc> otavio: doesn't do anything ... this is on etch, though ...
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| 18:03 | otavio: doesn't work on sid either ...
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| 18:03 | it creates scripts/Makefile.in but not scripts/ldm/Makefile.in
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| 18:03 | <otavio> checking
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| 18:12 | <otavio> vagrantc: http://alioth.debian.org/~otavio/bzr/ldm/removal-ldm-hooks/
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| 18:12 | vagrantc: pull ltspfs again
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| 18:13 | <vagrantc> scripts/Makefile.am:10: EXTRA_DIST multiply defined in condition TRUE ...
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| 18:13 | scripts/Makefile.am:2: ... `EXTRA_DIST' previously defined here
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| 18:16 | otavio: i could have handled the ldm side of it :)
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| 18:18 | hrm.
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| 18:18 | <otavio> vagrantc: pull it again
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| 18:18 | vagrantc: i hope it works
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| 18:22 | works?
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| 18:22 | I'm going bed now
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| 18:22 | <vagrantc> having trouble figuring it out
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| 18:22 | otavio: there was a problem with the removal-ldm-hooks, too ...
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| 18:22 | <otavio> which one?
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| 18:23 | <vagrantc> ./autogen.sh
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| 18:23 | configure.ac:35: required file `scripts/Makefile.in' not found
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| 18:23 | <otavio> looking it
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| 18:23 | <vagrantc> even with a totally clean checkout, it somehow remembers
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| 18:24 | <otavio> vagrantc: pushing removal
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| 18:26 | vagrantc: done
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| 18:27 | <vagrantc> otavio: seems better
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| 18:27 | <otavio> nice! will go to take a bath and go sleep
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| 18:27 | see you tomorrow
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| 18:27 | <vagrantc> otavio: thanks for your help :)
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| 18:27 | <otavio> if something breaks, ping me
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| 18:28 | vagrantc: you're welcome, you know!
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| 20:25 | <warren> Anyone know where mkelfimage comes from?
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| 20:25 | what source package?
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| 20:25 | (Edubuntu's ISO images don't boot in qemu so I haven't managed to install it.)
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| 20:26 | <nentis> greetings
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| 20:26 | I'm using edubuntu and I have a thin client which needs a custom kernel. What is the best way to go about providing this to clients?
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| 20:27 | specifically, I need to get rid of the CONFIG_PARAVIRT=y option in the i386 client kernel
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| 20:27 | server is x86_64
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| 20:27 | <warren> nentis, what kind of hardware is it? (out of curiosity)
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| 20:27 | <nentis> the client is an ebox 2300SX
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| 20:27 | <warren> nentis, one way to do it is to write a block in your dhcp server config file to serve a different image only to that MAC address.
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| 20:27 | nentis, I don't have the syntax off hand
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| 20:28 | sorry, gotta go
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| 20:32 | <dp> I get an error with pxeboot 'mounting unionfs on /root failed: no such device'. nfs is set up on the server, and the client is booting the appropriate image. I've set logging on the tftp daemon, but get nothing in the logs. I see nothing of use (for me) in the syslog for nfs. suggestions?
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| 20:57 | <dp> nm, found the fix via debian bug #458127
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| 22:31 | * sutula has beaten his head against the wall long enough | |
| 22:31 | <vagrantc> sutula: what now? :)
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| 22:32 | <sutula> Does anyone know if the X server that runs on the thin client has any sort of power-save settings?
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| 22:32 | <vagrantc> not any more than usual
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| 22:32 | <vagrantc> i've definitely seen the screen black out when idling
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| 22:32 | <sutula> I've disabled everything I can find after logging in, even killed off the gnome-power daemon, and the display still powers off after 20 mins or so
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| 22:33 | <vagrantc> i think that's just default X behavior
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| 22:33 | <sutula> It can't be the display itself because a keyboard press gets it back
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| 22:33 | <vagrantc> why not?
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| 22:33 | <sutula> Because the keyboard has no connection to the display
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| 22:34 | So it has to be at least as far back as the X server
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| 22:34 | * vagrantc disagrees | |
| 22:34 | <vagrantc> the display is running on the X server
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| 22:35 | <sutula> Right...I'm just saying that it can't be a setting on the display itself
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| 22:35 | * vagrantc doesn't seen the distinction | |
| 22:36 | <sutula> I'm just saying that it can't be some sort of powersave setting on the monitor itself
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| 22:36 | <vagrantc> at any rate, if you want to change that, i suspect it will have to happen thin-client side, where the X server is running
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| 22:36 | <sutula> vagrantc: OK...thanks for the soundingboard...I'll dig into what might be settable on the server
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| 22:40 | <vagrantc> ogra: would you be opposed to splitting the ltsp-client-builder .udeb into a separate source package?
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| 22:40 | ogra: it probably doesn't affect ubuntu much, but it actually is kind of obnoxious for debian
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| 22:41 | ogra: because it stalls unstable -> testing migrations
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| 22:41 | ogra: and the update frequency of the rest of ltsp doesn't typically happen at the same time
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| 22:47 | <sutula> vagrantc: Looks like xset has some dpms options...thanks for the idea
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| 22:50 | <vagrantc> sutula: sure :)
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