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Channel log from 18 January 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:38 | <dan__t> erm, any way to boot straight off of a CD of some sort? I don't want to deal with a pxe situation right now with the way things are
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| 03:40 | suppose I can use the rom-o-matic method, no?
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| 03:42 | <Patina> Try knoppix or another live cd.
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| 03:42 | I believe the rom-o-matic is used to generate the boot rom.
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| 03:43 | <dan__t> hrm, looks like I found the answer to my own question again heheh
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| 03:43 | It looks like I can make an ISO with rom-o-matic.
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| 03:44 | <Patina> that would still be booting with PXE.
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| 03:45 | <dan__t> I think I can define inside of there some static options, such as an IP and such.
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| 03:45 | I'm not trying to make this all difficult. I'm wanting to try it on a few machines over an existing network, and would rather not delegate to another DHCP server, even if that meant being able to PXEBoot cleanly.
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| 03:46 | <Patina> So, you are trying to avoid DHCP, not PXE.
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| 03:47 | <dan__t> Well, I'd like to use the existing DHCP services. Maybe my lack of experience with PXE has me a bit confused throughout this process.
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| 03:47 | <Patina> Oh sorry, I think I have forgotten what kind of ROM you create with rom-o-matic.
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| 03:47 | <dan__t> heheh
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| 03:48 | <Patina> PXE boots a boot loader wich boots the kernel, the rom-o-matic thing boots the kernel directly, right?
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| 03:48 | <dan__t> As I understand it, sure.
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| 03:48 | <Patina> ok
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| 03:55 | <dan__t> erm as I understand it, ltsp won't *install* anything, correct?
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| 03:55 | It's all in-memory.
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| 03:56 | I know that's probably a dumb one, I just want to make 110% sure.
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| 03:58 | <sep> dan__t, ltsp will install stuff on the server. the pxe booting client wont install anything. and wont even need a harddrive
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| 03:58 | <dan__t> I've got the server down pretty well.
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| 03:58 | <sep> dan__t, if your afraid of damaging the HD on the client, just disconnect it
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| 03:58 | <dan__t> Does the DHCP server have to send the location of boot information to the client, or will the client then request bootp or something similar?
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| 04:02 | Are these dumb questions? Should i know this prior to giving this a shot?
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| 04:02 | heh
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| 04:03 | <Patina> Well, its all in the docs.
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| 04:03 | <dan__t> heheh, ok. that's what I was looking for.
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| 04:04 | I gave it static IP info, along with a filename, it appears to be doing stuff(tm)
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| 04:06 | Well, maybe not.
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| 04:08 | <Patina> What 'stuff' is it doing, and what is 'it'?
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| 04:08 | <dan__t> the pxe interface, looks like it's attempting to load the boot rom from the tftp server
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| 04:08 | I don't think I have the path right.
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| 04:12 | <Patina> If you are using the rom-o-matic, you are not using PXE, you are using etherboot.
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| 04:12 | Try not confusing the concepts.
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| 04:14 | <dan__t> ooh...
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| 04:14 | <Patina> And it will not load the ROM over the network, its on the clients boot disk or in a chip on its network interface card.
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| 04:15 | <dan__t> Eh I'm just snagging the iso that rom-o-matic makes, and using that as the cdrom device from within vmware
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| 04:16 | trying to, anyway
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| 04:20 | hrm.
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| 04:22 | <Patina> Your server should generate some log.
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| 04:23 | <dan__t> It'd be super if it wasn't 3:30am and I could think l;)
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| 04:23 | ;)
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| 04:24 | Alright, iptables strikes again, sorry.
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| 04:24 | In this situation, which file should etherboot be looking for via tftp?
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| 04:25 | nm.
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| 04:30 | Awesome.
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| 04:30 | Getting closer.
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| 04:34 | <dan__t> Is there a way to specify a root-path other than via DHCP?
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| 04:38 | <Patina> Well, bootp.
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| 04:38 | <dan__t> heh
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| 04:39 | THat's as far as I get now. This will be interesting.
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| 04:40 | bah.
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| 04:47 | Well, I guess it's fruitless to do any of this without a real dhcp server.
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| 04:59 | <dan__t> Ah well, time for me to turn in. Thanks for the help, Patina.
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| 05:12 | <cliebow> dan__t:if your dhcp can offr root path andd filename go for it..you can use wndows dhcp
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| 05:12 | <dan__t> dhcp server is some crap linksys router
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| 05:14 | <cliebow> then no..just put your static addresses in linux...or you "could use an alternate port for dhcp for ltsp..
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| 05:14 | use wiki.ltsp.org..al kinds of info there
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| 05:15 | <dan__t> yeap, disabled our dhcp server and rolled my own here.
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| 05:16 | <cliebow> cool..ill be at school by and by if you have any quedstions
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| 05:16 | <dan__t> Thank you./
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| 05:17 | <cliebow> as will the creators of this
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| 05:17 | <dan__t> :)
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| 05:18 | We have a pretty large tech dept
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| 05:18 | I'm sick of playing catch-up on crappy computers, fixing them all the time.
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| 05:18 | <cliebow> my whole setup is donations
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| 05:19 | <dan__t> Yea, well, that's pretty much what we're reduced to.
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| 05:19 | All they need is Firefox and Thunderbird.
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| 05:19 | Maybe gaim
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| 05:23 | aaaand we're golden.
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| 05:23 | awesome.
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| 06:39 | <tsurc> Has any one here had any problems with impress just crashing with no trance on a thin client?
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| 06:42 | <kaminski> tsurc: what the message in cups log?
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| 06:47 | <tsurc> ? cups ? its when I try and open a file. It goes through recovery, loads the document. Then crashes. is there an issue with printing?
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| 06:49 | <kaminski> lol
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| 06:49 | o read wrong
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| 06:49 | at the impress.. ok
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| 06:50 | with version os openoffice?
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| 06:50 | of
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| 06:56 | <tsurc> 2.0.2-2ubuntu12.2
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| 06:57 | some times it will open, other times not. either way the most anoying thing is it reports nothing!
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| 06:57 | <jammcq> try running it from an xterm
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| 06:57 | <tsurc> tried.. ooimpress
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| 06:57 | <jammcq> ooimpress some_file
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| 06:57 | <tsurc> yup that.. no joy
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| 06:57 | <jammcq> how much ram in the client?
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| 06:58 | <tsurc> just opens oo and gives me a cli
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| 06:58 | er.. 96. Its a wyse winterm 8260se
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| 06:58 | <jammcq> hmm, that should be plenty
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| 06:59 | <tsurc> I know these things are really laggy though
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| 06:59 | graphics is shocking and the net card is not great either.
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| 06:59 | <jammcq> what happens if you try to run ooimpress on the system console ?
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| 07:00 | <tsurc> fine.. i think.
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| 07:03 | <tsurc> I can run it off my laptop using putty(with X11 forwarding) and Cygwin ok.
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| 07:04 | I'm getting the guy to try from another part of the school where we have some dell gx1's
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| 07:05 | although that would just narrow the problem to network segment or machine type.
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| 07:05 | still its a start
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| 08:25 | <jammcq> hello kidz
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| 08:28 | <Gadi> hey, daddio
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| 08:48 | <pscheie> Is there any implication for ltsp in Fluendo's announdment about making proprietary codecs available through Gstreamer?
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| 08:48 | <kaminski> jammcq: are you there?
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| 09:28 | <cliebow_> mistik1:have you used stress or anything to test out a client machine..see what it takes to make it freeze?
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| 09:45 | <PMantis> Is there a way to tell what refresh rate a thin client is using?
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| 10:00 | <efra> Morning everybody
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| 10:13 | <g333k_work> Morning!
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| 10:32 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 10:33 | <dan__t> 'morning.
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| 10:33 | <sbalneav> !seen ogra
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| 10:33 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 1 day, 23 hours, 19 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <ogra> or /msg nickserv help register
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| 10:35 | <ogra> sbalneav, i'm here
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| 10:35 | <sbalneav> Hey, just sent you a mail. Sorry to hear of your loss. Condolences.
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| 10:36 | <ogra> thanks
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| 10:36 | <sbalneav> If there's anything I can do, let me know.
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| 10:36 | <ogra> i dont suppose you wat to come over to help me diggin
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| 10:36 | *want
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| 10:36 | there is nothing else to do anymore ...
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| 10:37 | <sbalneav> Did you go to the vet yesterday?
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| 10:37 | <ogra> nope
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| 10:37 | we convinced her to come to us
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| 10:37 | <sbalneav> ah, that's nice.
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| 10:37 | <ogra> i got some sleeping pills i gave him before
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| 10:37 | so he was supposed to not notice it ...
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| 10:38 | but he was to strong and not even the shot she gave him to fall asleep before giving the final one did work 100% ... it was very odd
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| 10:38 | <sbalneav> Fred looked like a shepherd cross. 16's a really good age for a large dog.
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| 10:39 | <ogra> yeah, thats what everyone says ... i always betted on 18
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| 10:39 | <sbalneav> I'm very sorry for you. I've lost two dogs in my life, so I know how tough it can be.
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| 10:40 | <ogra> but its all ok ... its just that horrible gap ...
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| 10:40 | <sbalneav> I know.
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| 10:40 | <ogra> i'm just writing python-ltsp to get distraction
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| 10:41 | that will be a class acting as a backend for thinclient-configurator ...
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| 10:41 | <sbalneav> Now that my go-live's done, I'm getting back into the swing of things. I'll be downloading Herd2 tonight.
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| 10:41 | It's been a rough two months for me.
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| 10:41 | <ogra> did you put your additions to jetpipe anwhere ?
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| 10:42 | i mean not the serial stuff, but you said you had some tweaks to the existing code
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| 10:42 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 10:42 | <sbalneav> No, not yet. I'll get them to you this weekend. I had added a bunch of stuff, but it's not fully tested yet. I want to make sure all the serial stuff works right.
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| 10:42 | Hey jammcq
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| 10:42 | <ogra> ah, ok
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| 10:42 | feature freeze is feb 8th ... and i'm way behind and didnt do much work the last week
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| 10:43 | <Lumiere> hi all
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| 10:43 | <jammcq> Lumiere: hey !
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| 10:44 | Lumiere: you still in college ?
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| 10:44 | <Lumiere> nah
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| 10:44 | I graduated in may
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| 10:44 | <jammcq> yeah, that's what I thought. You working ?
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| 10:45 | <Lumiere> doing hourly work for Arlington Public Schools where I went to High School
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| 10:45 | <sbalneav> ogra: I know, we've still got a couple of weeks left, so I'll jump in and start getting my arse in gear. Where's the biggest problem at the moment, sound?
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| 10:45 | <Lumiere> and infrastructure for one of their partners Nortel LearniT
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| 10:46 | <ogra> sbalneav, sound is waiting for pulse to move to main ... its approved but sitting on http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/anastacia.txt ... waiting for an admin to promote it
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| 10:46 | libasound2-plugins needs to be split so we can drop the jack plugin, else i cant get it to main
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| 10:46 | <sbalneav> cjwatson said they're going to add the patch to ssh to get the none encrypt after the password exchange.
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| 10:47 | <ogra> (without libasound we wont have volume control)
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| 10:47 | thats nice
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| 10:47 | <jammcq> wow
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| 10:47 | <ogra> so there should be no reason apart from autologin to not use ldm
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| 10:49 | i'm currently wondering how we implement support for that one http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=365375
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| 10:50 | seems hal will need it in the future
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| 10:50 | <sbalneav> I've switched EVERYONE here at legal aid (as part of our go live) to LTSP5. I've given up my old gdm ways. So it's localdevs everywhere here :)
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| 10:50 | <ogra> sbalneav, susie loves the pic, i shall say thanks
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| 10:51 | <sbalneav> It's one of my favorites.
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| 10:51 | <ogra> cool
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| 10:52 | >>> import ltsp_status
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| 10:52 | >>> ltsp_status.tftp()
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| 10:52 | True
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| 10:53 | i got that ^^^ for tftp, dhcp, nfs, ldminfo and nbdswapd now ... anything i'm missing ?
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| 10:55 | <sbalneav> What's this you're working on?
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| 10:55 | The ltsp manager?
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| 10:55 | <ogra> python-ltsp
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| 10:56 | an ltsp class
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| 10:56 | >>> from ltsconf_parser import *
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| 10:56 | >>> data,idx=ltsconf_read('./lts.conf')
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| 10:56 | >>> print idx
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| 10:56 | ['default', '00:11:25:84:CE:BA', '00:11:25:93:CF:00', '00:11:25:93:CF:02']
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| 10:56 | <sbalneav> Coooooooool
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| 10:56 | <ogra> i also have an ltsconf_write()
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| 10:57 | it backs up the last copy before writing, so we can have a rollback function as well
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| 10:57 | <Lumiere> this is cool... it'd allow for a GUI configuration tool for ltsp configurations
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| 10:57 | <ogra> next thing will be ltsp_dict()
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| 10:58 | <Lumiere> (ala redhat's system-config-*)
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| 10:58 | <ogra> that will either list all valid lts.conf variables or verify if a value is valid for a variable
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| 10:58 | that way ltsp-manager can have any frontend you want ....
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| 10:59 | <sbalneav> is this a package yet?
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| 10:59 | <ogra> thinclient-configurator-cli,
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| 10:59 | thinclient-configurator-gnome
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| 10:59 | thinclient-configurator-kde :)
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| 10:59 | nope, not ready yet
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| 11:01 | Lumiere, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LTSPManager/ its the new backend for that app ...
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| 11:01 | <pscheie> sbalneav: Is there a common solution to empty icons--no files--when USB stick is plugged in problem?
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| 11:02 | Someone on the K12LTSP list is having this issue
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| 11:02 | <sbalneav> pscheie: Yeah, work through the checklist
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| 11:06 | !checklist
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| 11:06 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "checklist" is The checklist for debugging problems with local device access is at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Troubleshooting. Please work through all 12 steps, record the results, and paste the results to the pastebot at http://pastebot.ltsp.org
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| 11:08 | <pscheie> Yeah, I was looking at that. Sent the guy a link to it.
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| 11:37 | <ogra> >>> import ltsconf_dict
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| 11:37 | >>> print ltsconf_dict.get_videodrivers('/opt/ltsp/i386')
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| 11:37 | ['apm', 'ark', 'ati', 'atimisc', 'chip', 'cirrus_alpine',....
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| 11:38 | and ....
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| 11:38 | >>> print ltsconf_dict.get_keymaps('/opt/ltsp/i386')
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| 11:38 | ['ar', 'be', 'bg', 'br', 'ch_de', 'ch_fr', 'cz', 'cz_qwerty', 'de', 'de_CH',
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| 11:38 | ...
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| 11:39 | <dan__t> awesome, got 10 nodes up so far.
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| 11:40 | Did I read somewhere about how I could tap into an existing session via VNC to assist a user?
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| 11:42 | <cliebow_> yeah...x11vnc...or vnc./so
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| 11:45 | ldapadd -x -c -h localhost -D "cn=root,dc=ehs,dc=org" -W -f /bus2.ldif
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| 11:46 | <dan__t> Alright, this will be interesting
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| 12:04 | <pscheie> cliebow_: do you have sound working on your Mac clients?
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| 12:19 | <cliebow_> no
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| 12:21 | <dan__t> Ah crap, I closed the window - cliebow_, what did you suggest as far as being able to assist users remotely via vnc or some such?
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| 12:21 | <Lumiere> 11:29:56 < dan__t> Did I read somewhere about how I could tap into an existing
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| 12:21 | session via VNC to assist a user?
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| 12:21 | 11:32:13 < cliebow_> yeah...x11vnc...or vnc./so
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| 12:21 | 11:35:36 < cliebow_> ldapadd -x -c -h localhost -D "cn=root,dc=ehs,dc=org" -W
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| 12:21 | -f /bus2.ldif
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| 12:22 | <dan__t> hrm, ok.
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| 12:22 | <cliebow_> ??
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| 12:23 | <dan__t> Would it be more appropriate to use LDAP for user management opposed to UNIX user accounts?
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| 12:23 | <cliebow_> wiki.ltsp.org under experimental
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| 12:23 | <dan__t> Or does it matter.
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| 12:23 | reading
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| 12:23 | <cliebow_> i like ldap
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| 12:23 | except for right now
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| 12:23 | <dan__t> heh
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| 12:26 | THanks.
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| 12:26 | I think vnc.so will work well.
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| 12:27 | <cliebow_> Teach2 makes it pretty cool to shadow users
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| 12:29 | <dan__t> Yeah, that's what I was reading.
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| 12:29 | You know, this is pretty bad-ass.
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| 12:29 | I'd just like to say "thanks" to those who may be chilling here, who have worked on it.
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| 12:39 | <jammcq> prpplague: hey
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| 12:45 | <g333k_work> Hello, how can I run the X Server in a client?
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| 12:46 | <prpplague> jammcq: hey hey
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| 12:46 | <jammcq> g333k_work: umm, the Xserver ALWAYS run in a client
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| 12:46 | think of the Xserver as the display/keyboard/mouse driver
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| 12:46 | prpplague: where you at these days?
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| 12:48 | <prpplague> jammcq: back in big D
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| 12:48 | <g333k_work> jammcq, I mean... I'm trying to run opera locally following the guide in the wiki, but I cant... Tell me if I am wrong: I open a terminal in the client ws001, then I change to root, then I do ssh to the ws001 terminal and execute the local app, is that ok?
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| 12:48 | <jammcq> wife and kid too?
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| 12:48 | <prpplague> jammcq: wife and kids still in barbados, trying to get house and all organized
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| 12:48 | jammcq: they'll be coming up at the end of feb
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| 12:48 | <jammcq> kidS --- Plural ?
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| 12:49 | <prpplague> jammcq: my son and her daughter
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| 12:49 | <jammcq> ah
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| 12:49 | I remember chandler, didn't know she had a daughter
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| 12:49 | <prpplague> jammcq: still having minor problems with DoHS but hopefully we'll get that squared away soon
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| 12:49 | jammcq: yea, they are the same age, we often get asked if they are twins
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| 12:50 | <jammcq> g333k_work: that's about right
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| 12:50 | how old is chandler these days, i'm guessing about 10 or 11
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| 12:51 | <g333k_work> jammcq, but when you ssh a terminal, you connect as root right? but is it possible run X apps as root?
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| 12:51 | <jammcq> shouldn't need to be root
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| 12:52 | but... you'll need to setup some form of user authentication on the client, like NIS or LDAP or even (gasp!!! ) copying the /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow files to the chroot
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| 12:54 | <prpplague> jammcq: what are you up to these days?
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| 12:56 | jammcq: we have an arm based thin client design that a customer backed out on, pretty interesting deal, its just a little larger than a business card
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| 12:57 | <jammcq> if it were x86 based, I'd prolly be interested
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| 12:58 | <prpplague> hehe, i abandoned x86 ages ago for just about everything
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| 12:58 | i'm actually moving my desktop to arm in a couple of weeks
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| 12:58 | <jammcq> good luck with that
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| 12:59 | <prpplague> hehe
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| 13:27 | <g333k_work> jammcq, I did another procedure I copied the keys so I connect via ssh without asking me password
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| 14:13 | <erdinc> hi everyone
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| 14:25 | <cliebow_> Hello..
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| 14:40 | <g333k_work> Hi, how can I size the quantity of RAM that each client is consuming int hr server?
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| 14:47 | Hi, how can I size the quantity of RAM that each client is consuming in the server?
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| 14:47 | <sbalneav> What do you mean?
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| 14:48 | What do you want to have happen when you reach "the maximum"?
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| 14:48 | <g333k_work> sbalneav, I want to know how much RAM do I need per client (my specific clients)
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| 14:48 | <sbalneav> Search the wiki
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| 14:48 | <jammcq> check the wiki, look for the server-sizing document
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| 14:48 | <sbalneav> We've got a server sizing document.
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| 14:48 | !sizing
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| 14:48 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: Error: "sizing" is not a valid command.
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| 14:48 | <pscheie> depends on the apps you're running
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| 14:48 | <g333k_work> sbalneav, jammcq , I've already read that.. there is a formula
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| 14:49 | <jammcq> so... use the formula
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| 14:49 | <pscheie> 100mhz, 100MB RAM per client--but that's just a rule of thumb
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| 14:49 | <g333k_work> pscheie, that's the reason because I say "my specific clients" because I want to apply a formula for my case
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| 14:49 | My clients just run firefox + xfce
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| 14:50 | no more apps
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| 14:50 | <pscheie> Usually, if you use that rule of thumb, you won't overwhelm the server
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| 14:50 | <sbalneav> The equation up there will work fine for that
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| 14:50 | how many clients
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| 14:51 | <pscheie> I would guess--no guarantees--that with just xfce & ff, you'll be under 75MB per client
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| 14:51 | <sbalneav> g333k_work: How many clients do you have?
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| 14:51 | <g333k_work> sbalneav, 100mb per client?? oh my god! ... I already have 45 clients, but I'm planning to have 100
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| 14:51 | <pscheie> but that will also be affected by how many tabs in ff users have open
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| 14:52 | <sbalneav> So, 256 + (50 * 100)
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| 14:52 | <g333k_work> sbalneav, my server is a P4 3Ghz, with 2G of RAM... I think is over the limit
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| 14:52 | <pscheie> what does free say? Any swap in use?
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| 14:52 | <g333k_work> sbalneav, this is what I wanted to know, monitor a client... do operations on it, and size the RAM used by it
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| 14:52 | <sbalneav> So, 4 gigs or so of ram for 100
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| 14:53 | <g333k_work> root@ltsp-desktop:/usr/bin# free
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| 14:53 | total used free shared buffers cached
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| 14:53 | Mem: 2067068 1788136 278932 0 51764 356824
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| 14:53 | -/+ buffers/cache: 1379548 687520
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| 14:53 | Swap: 1052248 30516 1021732
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| 14:53 | <sbalneav> Why not just have 2 servers?
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| 14:53 | 50 on each
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| 14:53 | If you're worried.
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| 14:54 | <g333k_work> sbalneav, I'm planning to use 3 servers, three Xeon Dual Core 3Ghz with 2G of RAm each, and balance about 35 clients per server
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| 14:54 | the third one is a kind of backup
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| 14:55 | <sbalneav> 256 + (35 * 50) = 2006, so that would be fine.
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| 14:55 | <g333k_work> sbalneav, what about the CPU load?
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| 14:55 | <sbalneav> What about it?
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| 14:56 | <g333k_work> sbalneav, is it important to have powerful processors in the servers?
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| 14:56 | <sbalneav> That's usually the case in a thin client environment.
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| 14:57 | <sbalneav> A P4 3ghz should be able to handle 35 people
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| 14:57 | so long as they're not all running flash at the same time.
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| 14:57 | <g333k_work> Will I save lots of RAM running firefox locally ? pros/cons ?
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| 14:57 | <pscheie> powerful processors in servers is important to a point, but RAM is often more critical
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| 14:57 | <g333k_work> pscheie, ooh ok
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| 14:58 | <sbalneav> g333k_work: what you save on ram in the server, you'll just have to spend on ram on the clients.
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| 14:58 | Plus, the setup becomes much more difficult.
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| 14:58 | <g333k_work> something I've learned since using ltsp, is that The more RAM you have, the more peaceful you sleep
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| 14:58 | <sbalneav> I never run anything on the clients.
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| 14:58 | <pscheie> local apps are worthwhile only if you already have clients with a lot of RAM
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| 14:58 | it doesn't make sense to try to beef up clients
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| 14:58 | <g333k_work> pscheie, They have 96M
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| 14:59 | <sbalneav> That's not going to be enough to run firefox locally
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| 14:59 | <pscheie> I'd go for keeping the apps on the server, 96 isn't a lot
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| 15:00 | <g333k_work> well have 128M - 32M for video = 96M
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| 15:00 | <pscheie> check top frequently to see if your ram or cpu is getting maxed out
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| 15:00 | <g333k_work> I started this server with 512M of RAM, and increase 512M each time the server dies
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| 15:00 | now I have 2G
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| 15:01 | <pscheie> I wouldn't try much past 20 or 25 clients with 2GB without carefully watching the server's stats to see if its getting overwhelmed
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| 15:02 | your stats looked pretty good, and you said you've got 45 clients?
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| 15:02 | just a bit of swap, mostly a bunch of cache
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| 15:03 | ideally, you don't want any swap in use, 'cause things will REALLY bog down for the users
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| 15:03 | <g333k_work> pscheie, 45 in theory, there are some network points that are broken, so I have now 38 alive
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| 15:04 | <sbalneav> mistik1: Hey there!
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| 15:04 | How's it going?
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| 15:04 | <g333k_work> pscheie, I reboot my server each morning
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| 15:04 | <pscheie> sbalneav: your users use several different apps I assume; how many do you get on a server?
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| 15:04 | you should avoid rebooting--that's a windows thing
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| 15:04 | <sbalneav> 30-40
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| 15:05 | <g333k_work> pscheie, I know.... but sometimes I see some ghost processes
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| 15:05 | <pscheie> you lose the caching that's built up by users, and that caching really helps load times
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| 15:05 | <g333k_work> pscheie, maybe I just need a killall
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| 15:05 | pscheie, really?
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| 15:05 | <pscheie> do users login with IDs or are you using, say, autologin?
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| 15:05 | <sbalneav> You'll get the odd dead process, if someone hits the reset button while logged in, etc. Just kill them with the kill command.
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| 15:06 | <pscheie> if they're using IDs, run a cron job each night that does a 'pkill -u ID' for each user
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| 15:06 | <sbalneav> There should be no need to reboot a server each morening.
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| 15:06 | <pscheie> kills all users' processes w/o rebooting
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| 15:06 | <g333k_work> pscheie, yep autologin with specific users... ws001, ws002.... til ws100
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| 15:06 | pscheie, ubuntu 6.10 + xfce + gdm, running just firefox each one
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| 15:07 | <sbalneav> 15:04:35 up 121 days, 6:31, 3 users, load average: 0.35, 0.28, 0.18
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| 15:07 | There's one of my servers.
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| 15:07 | <pscheie> for x in $(seq -w 1 100)
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| 15:07 | do
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| 15:07 | <g333k_work> pscheie, well I turn off each user at midnight and turn on each one via WOL at morning
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| 15:07 | <pscheie> pkill -u ws${x}
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| 15:08 | done
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| 15:08 | <g333k_work> sbalneav, wow.... My record is 63 days
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| 15:08 | <pscheie> put that in a script, have root's cron call it at 2am
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| 15:08 | <g333k_work> sbalneav, my first ltsp server, but it just managed 5 clients
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| 15:08 | pscheie, ok
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| 15:08 | <pscheie> I had a Sun box (not ltsp) up more than 1100 days, till a power failure downed it
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| 15:09 | (generator ran out of fuel, its fuel monitor had broken)
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| 15:09 | <g333k_work> pscheie, nice!
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| 15:10 | <pscheie> that was 424 days ago--hasn't been rebooted since
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| 15:10 | it's an ldap server
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| 15:11 | sbalneav: are you running 32-bit or 64-bit in your servers?
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| 15:11 | <sbalneav> 32 bit
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| 15:11 | 64's vastly overrated
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| 15:11 | <pscheie> agreed
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| 15:11 | too many app hassles yet
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| 15:12 | <g333k_work> yep
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| 15:12 | <pscheie> 4GB ram per server?
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| 15:12 | <sbalneav> 4 g
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| 15:12 | <g333k_work> Many people use their 64 bits processor with 32 SOs
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| 15:12 | sbalneav, 4G of RAM? how many clients does your server serve?
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| 15:14 | <pscheie> brb
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| 15:14 | <sbalneav> One of 'em has about 50 people on it.
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| 15:15 | <g333k_work> sbalneav, running what?
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| 15:15 | <sbalneav> It's got more ram than it needs, but it just didn't make financial sense to go with less.
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| 15:15 | <sbalneav> firefox + openoffice + gnome + windows apps under wine.
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| 15:18 | <g333k_work> sbalneav, wow!
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| 15:18 | sbalneav, ltsp 4.2 right?
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| 15:18 | <sbalneav> LTSP 5 under Ubuntu.
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| 15:22 | <ogra> sbalneav, i'll have a python-ltsp package ready for you tomorrow evening ... only two modules left ...
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| 15:24 | <jammcq> ogra: you seeing any of that bad weather in europe ?
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| 15:24 | <ogra> not seeing, but i have to turn the tv quite loud to hear anything
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| 15:25 | <ogra> the wind has about 200km/h currently
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| 15:25 | <jammcq> at your house it's 200km/h ?
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| 15:26 | <ogra> no, but outside the city
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| 15:26 | the house is surrounded by other houses ...
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| 15:26 | but we have two 15m high firs that bend a lot
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| 15:26 | i'm a bit worried they hit the roof
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| 15:27 | <g333k_work> sbalneav, pscheie, Thanks buddies, you have help me a lot today
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| 15:29 | <pscheie> you bet
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| 15:29 | <Gadi> any of you guys know where I can get a defomized font package?
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| 15:30 | <pscheie> defomized?
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| 15:31 | <jammcq> is that where they take out all the fom ?
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| 15:31 | <Gadi> evidently
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| 15:31 | <pscheie> where does one get font fom
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| 15:31 | <Gadi> ;)
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| 15:31 | <pscheie> ?
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| 15:31 | <ogra> Gadi, why does it need to be defomized ?
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| 15:32 | <Gadi> I just installed xorg and firefox on a minimal Ubuntu installation, and pango was complaining about no defomized fonts installed
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| 15:32 | perhaps I just need to install some font package or other
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| 15:33 | <ogra> install any font package
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| 15:33 | <Gadi> ok. thats what I thought
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| 15:33 | any particular one you fancy? :)
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| 15:33 | <ogra> dejavu is the default font ubunt uses on te desktop
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| 15:33 | you should be fine with that one
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| 15:35 | <dan__t> Ok, well, I got almost all of our tech dept converted
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| 15:36 | Somethin' isn't lining up though... UIDs instead of usernames appear in a ps output
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| 15:36 | but that's cake
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| 15:41 | How about a mouse scroll wheel? I think I can just change X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL to IMPS/2 and call it good, right?
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| 15:41 | <BilboFett> my district reinstalled my server and didn't select the "enable reading of NTFS" from the packages... can I yum install this? I don't know the name...
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| 15:43 | <pscheie> I think reading NTFS is a function of the kernel, not a package
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| 15:43 | do you have an NTFS partition in your server?
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| 16:01 | <BilboFett> before my district reinstalled K12, people could read their USB thumb drive files from home, windows files
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| 16:01 | now they can't
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| 16:01 | I think the guy blazed through the install and didn't check the box in the packages for "enable reading of NTFS volumes"
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| 16:01 | <pscheie> I think thumb drives are usually FAT
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| 16:01 | <BilboFett> I remember seeing that option
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| 16:02 | you may be right
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| 16:02 | but thats the only thing that changed
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| 16:02 | the reinstall
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| 16:02 | the thumb drives and windows files on those drives stayed the same
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| 16:02 | I'll brb
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| 16:03 | <dan__t> gah, need more ram.
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| 16:03 | and a Celeron just doesn't cut it.
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| 16:06 | <pscheie> BilboFett: I'd check your Local Device Access setup, go through the LDA troubleshooting checklist
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| 16:46 | <BilboFett> pscheie where is the LDA troubleshooting checklist?
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| 17:02 | <dan__t> Mkay, I'm confused, perhaps I'm not understanding something here.
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| 17:02 | Every machine logs into the server, sure. But I don't exactly understand how an ifconfig on a client machine pops up the server's IP.
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| 17:03 | I mean I understand it, the client is simply displaying off of the server, sure.
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| 17:03 | <Patina> So?
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| 17:03 | All applications are run on the server.
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| 17:04 | Well, except the few local ones of course.
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| 17:05 | <dan__t> Sure.
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| 17:05 | Yeah, I understand that part.
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| 17:05 | I guess I'm thinking about it too hard heh
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| 17:05 | <Patina> IIRC you can get a local ifconfig.
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| 17:06 | <dan__t> Ok... does the system as a whole rely on /etc/hosts for IP to hostname resolution entirely
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| 17:06 | ?
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| 17:07 | i.e. I wanted to see a client machine from the server, ssh to it, manipulate it etc etc.
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| 17:08 | <cliebow> dan__t:sure..your desktop is coming from server so it shows servers ifconfig
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| 17:09 | <Patina> I think /etc/hosts are just filled up in case you don't have DNS-server.
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| 17:09 | <cliebow> if you have /etc/hosts set up you can ssh in by name or ip
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| 17:09 | to a client
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| 17:09 | <dan__t> ahh.
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| 17:10 | <Patina> sshd is enabled by default?
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| 17:10 | <cliebow> no..but it is if you say local_apps=Y
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| 17:10 | <Patina> ok
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| 17:10 | <cliebow> then ssh server is running on client
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| 17:10 | all you need is a passwd and shadow in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc
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| 17:11 | thoug i doidnt say so
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| 17:11 | <dan__t> heheh
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| 17:11 | <cliebow> it is terribly insecure..depends on your environment i suppose..
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| 17:12 | i put a non important passwd on clients so even if they gain root access on client they cant do any more than a rogue laptop would\
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| 17:13 | <dan__t> welp, guess I followed to many dependencies when I removed gnome-games
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| 17:13 | <cliebow> nooo.not dpendency hell?
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| 17:14 | dan__t:what server distro
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| 17:14 | <dan__t> actually, using fc6
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| 17:14 | My drink of choice is usually CentOS, however, I thought this might be more appropriate.
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| 17:14 | <cliebow> figures 8~)..dependency hell it is then\
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| 17:14 | <dan__t> yeap.
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| 17:15 | <cliebow> dan__t:ubuntu is sweet
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| 17:15 | <dan__t> beh
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| 17:15 | <cliebow> as in yecch?
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| 17:15 | i could never go back
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| 17:15 | <Patina> is there any ltsp included in fc6?
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| 17:16 | <cliebow> Patina: it is trivial to add ltsp
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| 17:16 | thanks to ...well a lot of people
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| 17:17 | well maybe not trivial
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| 17:17 | <Patina> Some distros seems to be ltsp 'enabled'.
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| 17:17 | <dan__t> I'm just trying to follow this VNC guide
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| 17:17 | Trying to get an IP of a client machine to connect to.
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| 17:17 | <cliebow> mine?
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| 17:18 | mine vnc guide?
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| 17:18 | <Patina> dan__t: You could watch the log from the DHCP-server when it boots.
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| 17:18 | Or, doesn't the client tell which address it gets?
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| 17:18 | <dan__t> cliebow, I just lose the URL. It was off of the wiki.
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| 17:18 | re: vnc.so
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| 17:18 | that's what I'd like to know, Patina.
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| 17:18 | <cliebow> in weird science and under development
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| 17:19 | dan__t:can you login to a client?
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| 17:19 | <dan__t> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#VNC_SO - is that you, cliebow?
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| 17:19 | Yes, I have people on the tech floor loging in perfectly fine.
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| 17:19 | <cliebow> no xiivnc is mine
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| 17:19 | <dan__t> ahh
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| 17:19 | <cliebow> so...bring up a term on one and type echo $DISPLAY
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| 17:21 | <Patina> Is VNC the best way to keep the desktop and applications running when the client is switched off?
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| 17:21 | <cliebow> no
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| 17:21 | nx could though
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| 17:21 | <Patina> nx?
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| 17:22 | <cliebow> freenx
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| 17:22 | it is awesome
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| 17:22 | <Patina> What would be better than vnc, freenx?
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| 17:22 | <cliebow> locally..vperhaps vnc...from Paris..nx
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| 17:23 | <Patina> client and server are on the same lan.
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| 17:23 | <cliebow> In Paris i could get a desktop on any of my servers in Maine...like 12 of em'
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| 17:24 | if you need to shadow clients..vx11vnc with Teach2 works great
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| 17:25 | <Patina> I have no idea what shadow clients means.
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| 17:27 | <cliebow> like take over
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| 17:29 | <markit> well, is it possible to have with ltsp the same feature that has nx, I mean the one that you can "interrup" a session and re-connect to it from another client / another time?
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| 17:29 | <cliebow> with Gadi's nx work it is possible
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| 17:30 | <markit> cliebow: url?
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| 17:30 | <cliebow> hmm..
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| 17:31 | http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#NX
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| 17:33 | <markit> thanks, let me read it
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| 17:33 | <cliebow> i am out of touch on it..might catch the Gadmeister sometime
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| 17:34 | <markit> cliebow: secure and compressed connection... I need the "restore" feature instead
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| 17:34 | (or whatever is called)
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| 17:36 | <cliebow> err you can on logout choose terminate or ...
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| 17:36 | have to try one
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| 17:37 | suspend
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| 17:54 | <dan__t> Ok, so, about finding client IP addresses.... what I'd like to do is be able to take a machine which is not part of the LTSP group, say an admin of some sort, and VNC into the machine.
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| 17:54 | <dan__t> So I'll need an IP, or at the very least a display number of the IP that the server is serving, right?
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| 18:02 | <dan__t> So yeah how are workstation names from within lts.conf referenced?
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| 18:03 | Does that come from /etc/hosts, and assigned staticly from dhcpd?
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| 18:10 | <cliebow> dan__t:if a machine knows its hostname it can be referneced in lts.conf..otherwise you can use mac address in lts.conf to positively identify the machine
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| 18:11 | like neither netvista nor ibooks know their names
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| 18:13 | <cliebow> There is the Master...
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| 18:16 | <jammcq> hey chuckie
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| 18:16 | <cliebow> 8~).i been holding the fort while you were out on patrol..
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| 18:17 | <jammcq> nice job
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| 18:17 | <cliebow> 8`)
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| 18:18 | did my first pxeboot today..
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| 18:18 | <jammcq> huh ?
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| 18:18 | you finally getting into PXE ?
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| 18:18 | <cliebow> i never had a machine to work with before..all ancient bioses
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| 18:19 | schools keep me hopping
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| 18:19 | nwea testing coming up..
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| 18:20 | that was this week's excuse
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| 18:21 | bad nic in a firewall..running wire..maine laptop initiative..building laptops out of parts
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| 18:47 | <mistik1> .
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| 18:49 | <cliebow> ..
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| 18:57 | <dan__t> Thanks for the tip, cliebow.
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| 19:03 | <cliebow> sure!
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| 19:52 | <dan__t> gah. I can't get some of these machines to change resolution.
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| 20:19 | <jqueiroz> Hi all, how can I report a possible bug in LTSP 4.2???
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| 20:22 | <cliebow> fire away
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| 20:22 | jammcq should see it here
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| 20:25 | <dan__t> i love you, jammcq.
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| 20:27 | <dan__t> I'm running 12 machines "comfortably" from a Celeron 2.4 w/1G RAM
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| 20:27 | Each machine is a P3 550 w/256M RAM, running Gnome, of all things.
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| 20:27 | * jammcq doesn't see the bug yet | |
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| 20:34 | <jqueiroz> (ltsp root tree)/etc/build_x4_cfg
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| 20:34 | is ignoring XKBMODEL, XKBVARIANT, XKBOPTIONS, etc
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| 20:35 | only XKBLAYOUT is getting honored to the XConfig file
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| 20:45 | <dan__t> I see, I see.
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| 20:45 | <jqueiroz> I tried searching the maillist, but it's a bit confusing. Was this a known issue? Is there any "official" patch?
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| 21:24 | <kwak> help! i always get nautilus can't load error.
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| 23:33 | <madcore> Hi!
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| 23:33 | Do any use HP1022 printer on ltsp thinclient?
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