IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 13 September 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 08:16 | <Hyperbyte> Good morning ol' chap, fancy a cuppa?
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| 08:16 | ;>
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| 08:17 | <garymc> I do, but my FAT clients didnt have internet again this morning
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| 08:17 | :S
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| 08:17 | I just had to run that command you gave me
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| 08:17 | sudo /sbin/iptables-restore < /etc/lstsp/nat
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| 08:17 | <Hyperbyte> Right, because alkisg hasn't actually fixed the problem yet, remember? :P
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| 08:17 | Last night you guys decided to leave it for today.
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| 08:17 | <garymc> now clients have internet
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| 08:18 | we did
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| 08:18 | :P
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| 08:18 | <Hyperbyte> So naturally, none of your problems have been solved yet. :P
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| 08:18 | <garymc> so hopefully he will be about at sometime today
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| 08:18 | au Natural
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| 08:19 | <Hyperbyte> Ah, parlez-vous Francais? C'est fantastique!
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| 08:21 | Alors, comment ca-va?
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| 08:23 | <garymc> qui qui
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| 08:23 | <garymc> femme la bouche' :P
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| 08:24 | dont know much of it
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| 08:24 | <Hyperbyte> Me neither. =D
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| 08:24 | <muppis> Well, you know more than me. :)
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| 08:25 | <garymc> :)
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| 08:25 | <Hyperbyte> muppis, :)
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| 08:25 | My Finnish is horrible though.
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| 08:25 | <muppis> Hyperbyte, you don't differ from some natives. ;)
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| 08:25 | <Hyperbyte> My friend from Oulu sometimes writes Finnish to me... but it doesn't help.
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| 08:26 | Still, you know, if you just write some random garbage and put a lot of a's umlauts on them, it's a good bet it's Finnish in some way.
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| 08:26 | <muppis> :)
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| 08:26 | <Hyperbyte> It's like you guys hate all vowels, but somehow love the a-umlaut.
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| 08:27 | I don't think I've ever seen a Finnish sentence without a-umlaut in it.
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| 08:27 | <muppis> | |
| 08:27 | Now you have. :)
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| 08:28 | <Hyperbyte> Well there's a first for everything.
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| 08:28 | <muppis> Translation: Today is cloudy day. Hopefully doesn't rain much.
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| 08:28 | <Hyperbyte> Actually according to Google you are incorrect.
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| 08:29 | "Today is a cloudy day. Hopefully it's not raining much."
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| 08:29 | <muppis> Both are actually correct.
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| 08:30 | <Hyperbyte> Hehe... it's interesting how every language has nuances in grammer and especially verbs. :)
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| 08:30 | I like Afrikaans a lot. Don't speak it, but can read and understand most of it.
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| 08:30 | <muppis> I think mine is american english and Google gives more british english.
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| 08:30 | <Hyperbyte> It's based heavily on Dutch, with influences of some other languages.
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| 08:31 | But in Afrikaans, they don't conjugate verbs at all.
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| 08:32 | <muppis> Ah.
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| 08:32 | <Hyperbyte> "I going to that supermarket" "He going to that supermarket" "That supermarket are nice"
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| 08:33 | I'm not sure if there's a more simple language than Afrikaans, grammar-wise. I think it's a very cool language.
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| 08:36 | <muppis> Swedish.. Someones say it is easy, but haven't never learned it. I've heard that Yoda speaks english with swedish grammar.
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| 08:38 | <garymc> alkisg : gimme a shout if you have time to go through my issues again today. Cheers
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| 08:39 | <alkisg> garymc: sure, let's get through them and finish it quickly... :)
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| 08:39 | garymc: I need to see the network manager gui now, so different commands for today:
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| 08:39 | <garymc> heres my list
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| 08:39 | ok
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| 08:39 | not sure how we do that?
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| 08:39 | <alkisg> 1) sign in with a gui - I don't care if you're at a thin client or at the server
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| 08:39 | 2) sudo apt-get install x11vnc
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| 08:39 | 3) x11vnc -noshm -connect alkisg.dyndns.org
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| 08:40 | <garymc> 1. No internet on startup
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| 08:40 | 2. no dhcp on startup
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| 08:40 | 3. Chrome as Default browser
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| 08:41 | 4. when you open chrome it asks for you to put password in for Keys or something
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| 08:41 | <alkisg> (1) and (2) are the same problem, and I'll leave (3) for Hyperbyte ;)
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| 08:41 | <garymc> thats it
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| 08:41 | <alkisg> Let's just fix (1) and (2) for now
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| 08:41 | <garymc> my old laptop wont even boot, ill have to commondear a thin client
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| 08:44 | shit, just had three incorrect password attempts
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| 08:44 | :S
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| 08:44 | ok
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| 08:44 | caps lock
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| 08:45 | password aint working
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| 08:47 | dont knwo why my password aint working in the thin client
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| 08:47 | <alkisg> Sitting on a fat client won't help much, you need to sit on a thin client
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| 08:47 | <garymc> it works in ssh
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| 08:47 | <alkisg> Or on the server
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| 08:47 | <garymc> ok im moving to the server
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| 08:47 | <alkisg> *at
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| 08:49 | Btw, if we'll be changing the network connections, your clients will probably get disconnected, ok?
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| 08:51 | <garymc> how long for
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| 08:51 | <alkisg> Just a few minutes
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| 08:51 | Until we sort it out
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| 08:51 | <garymc> what connection cos i have an asterisk server that leases an ip from ltsp server and that powers phones
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| 08:54 | <alkisg> garymc: we're just touching the ltsp server, we don't touch any other server in your network
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| 08:54 | <garymc> ok
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| 08:55 | <alkisg> garymc: please go to the terminal and press the up arrow to run the x11vnc command again
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| 08:55 | Because your internet connection was reset, so our connection was lost
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| 08:57 | <garymc> was it
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| 08:57 | ok
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| 08:57 | <alkisg> garymc: I didn't receive a connection yet...
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| 08:58 | <garymc> now?
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| 08:58 | connection failed
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| 08:59 | eh0 has gone
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| 08:59 | no ip for it
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| 08:59 | <alkisg> Ah. Click on the network manager icon, and select auto eth0
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| 08:59 | <garymc> there you go
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| 09:00 | you in
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| 09:03 | <alkisg> garymc: now let's try rebooting, when you're ready
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| 09:03 | I want to see if dhcp3 gets started, and if the testconnection script gets executed
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| 09:04 | <garymc> ok im here
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| 09:05 | <alkisg> After reboot, run x11vnc -noshm -connect alkisg.dyndns.org again
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| 09:05 | <garymc> ok
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| 09:05 | i wont do anything else
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| 09:06 | just waiting
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| 09:09 | <Hyperbyte> A nice video to watch, while you wait: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXKDu6cdXLI
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| 09:15 | <alkisg> garymc: ready for another reboot, hope problems (1) and (2) will be history now
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| 09:15 | <garymc> ok
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| 09:16 | <garymc> same again
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| 09:16 | <alkisg> You rebooted already?!
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| 09:16 | Please x11vnc to me again
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| 09:17 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, not everybody is using 486 hardware thankyou.
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| 09:17 | <alkisg> :P
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| 09:17 | I don't think garymc had a chance to reboot + test in 35 seconds
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| 09:17 | <garymc> waiting
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| 09:17 | <alkisg> He probably meant something else :)
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| 09:17 | <Hyperbyte> With normal hardware it's not really possible anymore to make coffee and read a newspaper while you wait for reboot. :LP
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| 09:17 | <garymc> i just meant same again when ready
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| 09:18 | <Hyperbyte> Oh... okay
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| 09:18 | Still
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| 09:18 | I could reboot in 30 seconds.
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| 09:18 | <alkisg> My fat clients reboot faster than your fat server :P
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| 09:18 | <Hyperbyte> HAH I DOUBT THAT
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| 09:18 | MY FAT SERVER REBOOTS IN 20 SECONDS, SO THERE.
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| 09:18 | * Hyperbyte sobs. :( | |
| 09:18 | <garymc> you should be in in 1 sec
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| 09:19 | <alkisg> Fat client have many services disabled :D So you lose, 12 secs ;)
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| 09:19 | <Hyperbyte> I'm insulted now. I deserve some hot chocolate.
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| 09:19 | <garymc> yes
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| 09:19 | * Hyperbyte goes to make some. | |
| 09:20 | <alkisg> garymc: everything fine
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| 09:20 | <garymc> looks it
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| 09:20 | i aint tersteed a FAT coient though
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| 09:20 | ill boot one now
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| 09:20 | <alkisg> Sure, go ahead
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| 09:21 | <garymc> just waiting
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| 09:24 | <Hyperbyte> Curious to see how this teresteeng of the FAT coient turns out. :)
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| 09:24 | <garymc> seems to be ok
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| 09:24 | <Hyperbyte> Yay!
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| 09:24 | * Hyperbyte high fives alkisg | |
| 09:24 | <garymc> yee haaa
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| 09:25 | so hows about google chrome as defualt browser
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| 09:25 | does it work better than firefox. internet suggest yes forubuntu
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| 09:26 | Seems to be working fine now
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| 09:26 | alkisg : great work i owe you
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| 09:28 | Fat clients work fine now
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| 09:28 | :)
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| 09:29 | should I forget about Chrome?
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| 09:30 | gonna grab a coffee, been up all night with the babay :s
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| 09:42 | <alkisg> Cool :)
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| 09:42 | garymc: about google chrome, it's not an ltsp related question
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| 09:42 | You can ask that in #ubuntu or in similar channels
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| 09:42 | Or you can just google for this
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| 09:46 | <Hyperbyte> Just remember you need to set the default browser inside the ltsp chroot, not on the server.
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| 09:48 | <garymc> ok
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| 09:48 | dont wanna break nothing though
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| 09:48 | so prob just leave it
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| 09:48 | :S
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| 09:48 | <alkisg> garymc: it's just one command
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| 09:48 | update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
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| 09:48 | <garymc> is it?
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| 09:48 | <alkisg> Inside your chroot
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| 09:48 | <Hyperbyte> That's the beautify of modifying things on the client. You can easily make a backup of the /opt/ltsp/amd64 folder
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| 09:48 | <alkisg> And then, ltsp-update-image
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| 09:49 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, yeah, but that has to be set per-user, right?
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| 09:49 | <alkisg> No
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| 09:49 | <garymc> im confused
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| 09:49 | <alkisg> The alternatives system is for the whole pc, stored in /etc
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| 09:49 | garymc: did you manage to get ltsp-chroot running?
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| 09:49 | <garymc> alkisg : I did
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| 09:49 | :)
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| 09:49 | <alkisg> Or better yet, let's get another remote assistance :D
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| 09:49 | <garymc> ok
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| 09:50 | you not still in there?
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| 09:50 | <alkisg> No
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| 09:50 | Let's do it with screen now
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| 09:50 | It's faster
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| 09:50 | <garymc> also, I have chrome installed
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| 09:50 | but
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| 09:50 | <alkisg> !socat
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| 09:50 | <ltsp> alkisg: socat: One way to share a console with a remote person is: [local pc] socat tcp-listen:5500,keepalive=1 stdio,raw,echo=0 [remote pc] socat SYSTEM:"sleep 1 && exec screen -xRR ra",pty,stderr tcp:server:5500 & screen -l -S ra
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| 09:50 | <garymc> when I load it in thin client it asks for Keys and input a password etc
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| 09:50 | <alkisg> You run this part: socat SYSTEM:"sleep 1 && exec screen -xRR ra",pty,stderr tcp:alkisg.dyndns.org:5500 & screen -l -S ra
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| 09:50 | <garymc> do you know what im tlaking about therE?
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| 09:50 | <alkisg> That's your gnome keyring
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| 09:51 | It's another subject
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| 09:51 | <garymc> ok
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| 09:51 | is it updat ssh keys or something
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| 09:51 | <alkisg> No
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| 09:51 | <garymc> ok
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| 09:51 | <alkisg> It's a per-user thing
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| 09:51 | Google about "gnome keyring" a bit
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| 09:51 | <garymc> so should I run that command above in terminal or in gnome
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| 09:51 | <alkisg> In terminal
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| 09:51 | <garymc> ok
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| 09:51 | <alkisg> Or in gnome, whatever
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| 09:51 | Whereever you have access to your chroot
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| 09:52 | <garymc> in terminal. I have ran it
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| 09:53 | what about old users
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| 09:53 | and how the hell have I set that
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| 09:53 | <alkisg> garymc: try this command: xdg-open http://www.google.com
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| 09:53 | <garymc> in gnome?
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| 09:53 | terminal?
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| 09:53 | <alkisg> If that opens chrome, you're ok
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| 09:54 | If not, check "system > preferences > preferred apps" for that user
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| 09:54 | There's a method to force that "preferred apps", but then it loses its meaning
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| 09:54 | Also check "xdg-open http://www.google.com" for new users, not only for existing ones.
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| 09:55 | <garymc> ok that command worked
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| 09:56 | <alkisg> Btw, changing gnome-panel so that it has chrome instead of firefox is a completely different task
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| 09:56 | <garymc> oh right
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| 09:57 | so I have desktop launchers how do I get them to launch in chrome?
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| 10:00 | <alkisg> All those are not ltsp-related questions
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| 10:00 | Try asking in #ubuntu or similar channels
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| 10:00 | <garymc> so it was a bit pointless installing
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| 10:00 | ok
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| 10:00 | <alkisg> Of course you can ask here too, it's just that you'll probably get better help if you ask in the right channels
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| 10:00 | <garymc> but is it not an ltsp related question, as FAT cleints are involved?
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| 10:01 | <alkisg> No, in the same sense that learning how to type on an acer laptop is not related to the acer company
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| 10:01 | So if you mistype you shouldn't call their help center :)
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| 10:01 | <garymc> ok
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| 10:01 | so its not a one command soloution
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| 10:01 | <alkisg> It might be, I don't know
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| 10:02 | <alkisg> I'm just saying that it's not related to LTSP, so that you know how to search better
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| 10:02 | If you learn how to do something on a standalone installation, and then you don't know how to apply that to LTSP, *that's* an LTSP question
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| 10:02 | <garymc> ahh ok
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| 10:02 | <alkisg> So, (1) learn how to do what you want in a standalone installation, and
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| 10:02 | (2) if you can't apply it to LTSP, tell us the method from (1), and we'll tell you how to apply it
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| 10:08 | * markit wonders what's wrong with firefox instead of chrome | |
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| 10:35 | <garymc> alkisg : someone messaged me form ubuntu : U can use update-alternatives to change it
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| 10:36 | we already used that no?
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| 10:36 | yes?
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| 10:41 | <alkisg> garymc: yes, we did use that
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| 10:41 | What did you ask him? How to change your launchers?
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| 10:41 | How to change the panel? Or the default browser?
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| 10:45 | <garymc> default browser....wrong question?
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| 10:46 | <alkisg> Yes, you already did that
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| 10:46 | I think the last question you asked here was how to change some launchers that you have?
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| 10:46 | So ask that instead
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| 10:47 | <garymc> im asking thart now
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| 10:47 | <alkisg> Also, aside from irc, there's google, mailing lists, forums etc
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| 10:47 | So if you don't find your answer in #ubuntu, try other methods too
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| 10:47 | And of course there are books for linux, gnome, etc
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| 10:53 | <Hyperbyte> By the way, if webpages display better in Chrome than in Firefox (the argument you're using pro-Chrome in #ubuntu), they're broken webpages.
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| 10:59 | <garymc> yeah, I thought that
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| 10:59 | its my ADMIn site, its been rebuilt from the ground up as its years old now and doesnt display correctly in firefox on the clients. I use firefox on my mac and I never have the fault they have.
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| 11:00 | its being
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| 11:01 | one guy is pming me cant understand that I can run chrome in a fat client
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| 11:01 | <Hyperbyte> So fix it.
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| 11:01 | Show me a screenshot of the webpage displaying correctly and displaying not correctly.
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| 11:01 | <garymc> ill have to wait as it happens randomly
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| 11:26 | <alkisg> We're creating a classroom administration tool, similar to italc... anyone has any bright ideas about its name? :)
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| 11:27 | <Hyperbyte> Anything without 'i' in front please. :(
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| 11:27 | <alkisg> Hehe
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| 11:28 | <Hyperbyte> Are you sure you want to make it classroom focused, and not just focus it on every situation where you want to be able to remote support people?
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| 11:28 | Because it might be interesting or useful for lots of companies as well.
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| 11:29 | <alkisg> You're probably right there... but focusing on classrooms makes the UI saner, e.g. "student" and "teacher" instead of "person giving support" and "person receiving support" :(
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| 11:30 | <muppis> Make it configurable.
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| 11:30 | Still defaulting to student and teacher.
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| 11:31 | <Hyperbyte> Or call it "Host" and "Client", or "Sender" and "Receiver", or make a small config file where you can configure the names. :)
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| 11:31 | I think targetted schools has been the biggest failure of K12Linux (LTSP in Fedora).
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| 11:32 | *targetting
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| 11:32 | <alkisg> Configurable names doesn't sound like a good idea, they'll be inside translatable strings etc
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| 11:32 | <Hyperbyte> Well, making two .po files then
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| 11:33 | School / Business
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| 11:33 | :)
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| 11:33 | <alkisg> Nah, too much overhead for us
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| 11:33 | <Hyperbyte> Or two strings inside the .po file, and the config can specify which one to take.
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| 11:33 | <alkisg> The big difference from other projects is that we *are* teachers, and we'll be using that for many years, so it'll surely be supported :)
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| 11:34 | <Hyperbyte> Yeah, but if companies are relying on it as well for their support, you teachers can even get some funding to back you up. ;-)
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| 11:35 | <alkisg> Indeed, good point
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| 11:35 | So at least let's start with a generic, not-classroom-related name
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| 11:35 | <Hyperbyte> Is it LTSp related?
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| 11:36 | <alkisg> No
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| 11:36 | It autodetects ltsp clients etc, but it works on standalone workstations too
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| 11:36 | <Hyperbyte> Any candidates for names?
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| 11:36 | <garymc> dont know why chatzilla closed on me
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| 11:37 | <alkisg> ...the previous name was "sch-scripts", so no, I don't want to propose anything else, it will suck as much :D
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| 11:37 | <garymc> still waiting for the error to come up Hyperbyte
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| 11:37 | <alkisg> (we're separating the "classroom administration" ui)
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| 11:38 | (and i18n the app too)
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| 11:56 | * markit in listening mode | |
| 11:56 | <alkisg> markit: better start proposing names if you want your .deb faster ;)
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| 11:56 | <markit> hahaha
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| 11:56 | icarus :)
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| 11:57 | well, except previous joke, a name taken from greek mithology is a good choice, OMHO
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| 11:57 | <alkisg> Not a bad idea...
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| 11:58 | <markit> how do you call "school" in ancient greek?
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| 11:58 | <alkisg> scholio
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| 11:58 | :D
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| 11:58 | * alkisg thinks of greek mythology persons that were involved in spying roles... | |
| 11:58 | <markit> really!
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| 11:59 | <alkisg> Yes, school actually started as a greek word
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| 11:59 | <markit> well, so no shame in calling it scholio, if you can't find the name from a mythology person
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| 12:00 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte proposed that we shouldn't restrict it to schools, teachers and students
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| 12:00 | And I'm inclined to agree
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| 12:00 | <markit> let's stop this "enligh sounding name" paranoid
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| 12:00 | oh, also true
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| 12:00 | so better find the "spy" guy :)
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| 12:01 | alkisg: but for ltsp in general or for remote support through adsl? I missed the above point
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| 12:01 | <alkisg> It's like italc, can be used within ltsp or without ltsp
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| 12:01 | <markit> in any case, you should find someone that "see everything" instad of "spy"
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| 12:01 | spy is negative, something bad and unpolite and illegal
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| 12:02 | <alkisg> You're right
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| 12:02 | <markit> I've no idea about how use italc without ltsp, sorry
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| 12:02 | maybe an acronim or a shorter form of old greek for "the ones that see everything"
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| 12:03 | if is not too long, lol
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| 12:03 | "the watcher" in old greek
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| 12:03 | well, maybe you don't know old greek, being a teacher of IT
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| 12:03 | (don't know if is the same relation between italian and latin...)
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| 12:04 | <alkisg> It's not too different from modern greek, and we do a couple of years learning them in secondary school
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| 12:04 | Maybe, I don't know latin :)
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| 12:07 | <markit> found
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| 12:07 | Iperion Ύπέριον
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| 12:08 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperion_%28mythology%29
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| 12:08 | * alkisg googles... (was looking for panoptis so far, another mythological beast) | |
| 12:08 | <markit> God of Watchfulness and Wisdom
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| 12:10 | <alkisg> markit you have good ideas - /me talks them over with the other devs...
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| 12:10 | <markit> ok :)
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| 12:10 | <Hyperbyte> explorator, Latin for spying is all I can come up with. :P
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| 12:11 | <markit> like "internet explorer" ;P ?
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| 12:11 | btw, the "-ator" recalls "termin-ator" lol
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| 12:11 | <Hyperbyte> Or you could use some for of 'seer'
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| 12:11 | <Hyperbyte> (see-er, someone who sees)
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| 12:12 | <markit> yep, but the project is from Greek people, I would love to have a greek name
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| 12:12 | <Hyperbyte> Well I don't know Greek! :P You translate. :P
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| 12:12 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Ancient_Greek_seers
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| 12:12 | :P
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| 12:12 | <markit> well, wikipedia is really full of surprises
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| 12:14 | <Hyperbyte> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Mythological_Greek_seers
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| 12:14 | <alkisg> Wow
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| 12:14 | <Hyperbyte> Cassandra. :)
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| 12:15 | There you have your English sounding and Greek roots in one! :)
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| 12:15 | <alkisg> It sounds nice (although noone believed her :D), let's see if there already is such a software...
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| 12:15 | <Hyperbyte> Too bad Apache has a database software with that name. :D
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| 12:16 | <alkisg> Yeah :( http://cassandra.apache.org/
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| 12:16 | <Hyperbyte> Telemus. :P
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| 12:17 | <m4xx> what about pan?
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| 12:18 | the god of the wild, shepherds and flocks
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| 12:18 | ;x
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| 12:19 | <Hyperbyte> I totally see the connection with remote administration of classrooms.
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| 12:19 | m4xx, wait, you're not talking about Peter, are you?
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| 12:19 | <alkisg> Haha
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| 12:19 | <Hyperbyte> ... Peter Pan?
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| 12:19 | <m4xx> lol
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| 12:21 | <Hyperbyte> So... I have provided two lists, of both mythological and real ancient Greek seers...
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| 12:22 | <muppis> My suggestion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tapio_%28spirit%29
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| 12:22 | <Hyperbyte> Now it's your turn, bunch of slackers!
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| 12:22 | * Hyperbyte grins | |
| 12:22 | <alkisg> Kalevala... bless Don Rosa
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| 12:22 | <Hyperbyte> Tapio has a beard of lichen and eyebrows of moss.
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| 12:22 | * Hyperbyte is laughing out loud | |
| 12:27 | <Hyperbyte> I love mythology. :-D
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| 12:28 | <alkisg> http://www.behindthename.com/random/random.php?number=1&gender=both&all=no&usage_grem=1
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| 12:28 | This gives a different name upon each refresh :D
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| 12:31 | <markit> back. Cassandra is known for forecast bad events
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| 12:31 | I'd avoid "seers" in the meaning of "see the future"
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| 12:32 | <alkisg> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_eye
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| 12:34 | <Hyperbyte> markit, "seer" doesn't necessarily pertain to seeing the future though.
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| 12:34 | It's also about clairvoyance, "the ability to gain information about an object, person, location or physical event through means other than the known human senses"
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| 12:35 | <alkisg> gnome-seer then :P
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| 12:37 | <markit> qt-seer then ;P
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| 12:38 | don't bind to a desktop
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| 12:38 | <alkisg> In the next version :D
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| 12:38 | <markit> hahaha, gnome-seer-soon-qt-seer
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| 12:38 | <garymc> yo
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| 12:38 | <Hyperbyte> lol
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| 12:38 | Well
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| 12:39 | gnome-saw & qt-seer
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| 12:39 | <markit> in any case, I prefer greek mythonlogy, as a sigh of his roots
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| 12:39 | btw, I've to go back to my rails problems, see you later :)
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| 12:39 | <Hyperbyte> Good luck with that!
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| 12:39 | <markit> I need it really :(+
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| 12:40 | <alkisg> Thank you guys, most appreciated
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| 12:43 | <Hyperbyte> ugh... I need to assigned my apache daemon into an LDAP group so it can access some files
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| 12:43 | But since the "apache" user is local, I can't assign it LDAP groups
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| 12:44 | Which means I'm left with two choices.
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| 12:44 | 1. create a new, LDAP user, for the apache process to run in
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| 12:44 | 2. move the apache user to LDAP
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| 12:44 | Thoughts?
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| 12:45 | <muppis> 2nd one can be easier.
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| 12:45 | <Hyperbyte> Basically it's the same difference I think.
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| 12:46 | Yeah, I thought so too, muppis... but I'm curious what'll happen during upgrades and such.
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| 12:46 | <muppis> If adjust ID to mach existing files, then yes.
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| 12:46 | <Hyperbyte> Or maybe, the LDAP apache user will just override the local user and so the local user will become obsolete, meaning it can still be in the local passwd files.
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| 12:47 | I'm also taking boot process into account. If apache starts before LDAP, apache won't start, or start with the wrong user ID
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| 12:48 | .. but since Fedora 15 has systemd, it should be quite simple to add 389-ds LDAP as a required service for httpd... mmmm
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| 12:50 | I think I might actually be able to do this without breaking my production webserver...
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| 12:53 | <garymc> how do I get a screen shot in GNOME?
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| 12:54 | print screen
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| 12:54 | done it
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| 13:37 | <andygraybeal> morning guys
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| 13:47 | <Hyperbyte> Hey Andy!
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| 13:50 | <andygraybeal> hi hyper, how is your day so far?
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| 13:54 | <Hyperbyte> It is good!
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| 13:55 | <andygraybeal> yes, same. i got to do little maintenance here and there before 8am, which is always good.
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| 13:56 | now i'm setting up a mail server.
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| 14:18 | <Hyperbyte> :)
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| 14:18 | That doesn't sound too hard.
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| 14:32 | <garymc> hyperbyte : How can I show you those screen shots im talking about?
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| 14:32 | the reason I want to use chrome as default
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| 14:45 | <Hyperbyte> Upload them to the interwebs.
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| 15:12 | <sidartha> Is there anyone around who is familiar with video settings on hp thin clients?
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| 15:32 | <garymc> Hyperbyte : the interwebs
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| 15:36 | <abeehc> no doubt
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| 15:36 | uploadpie.com is on the interwebs
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| 15:36 | <garymc> i use omploaded
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| 15:36 | <garymc> *loader
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| 16:11 | <TheMatrix30001> test
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| 16:18 | <garymc> testing
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| 16:18 | Hyperbyte : did you see them pictures there I sent you?
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| 16:24 | <garymc> How do I connect to a Windows 2008 server through UBUNT. I use RDP on MAC and windows to connect to it. what would I use in ubuntu GNOME?
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| 16:37 | <abeehc> ubuntu calls it terminal server client which is tsclient but just a wrapper for rdesktop
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| 16:37 | i hear freerdp is better suited for 2008server but haven't really tried; rdesktop does work
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| 16:39 | <garymc> I cant get it to work
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| 16:39 | it just wont connect
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| 16:43 | <alkisg> sidartha: what do you mean "video settings"?
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| 16:52 | <sidartha> alksig: The resoulution is locked at 800x600, with other older clients I used to edit lts.conf such as xserver=intel. to fix resoulution problems.
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| 16:54 | <alkisg> sidartha: distro/version?
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| 16:55 | (use tab to autocomplete irc usernames, so that you don't misspell them)
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| 17:00 | <sidartha> alkisg : I'm running lucid/10.04
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| 17:01 | <alkisg> !localxterm | echo sidartha:
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| 17:01 | <ltsp> sidartha: localxterm: while sitting on a thin client, open a gnome terminal. In that, run: ltsp-localapps xterm. An xterm will open. That xterm runs locally, so any commands you enter there are executed directly on the client.
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| 17:01 | <alkisg> On a localxterm, run: lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGA
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| 17:06 | <sidartha> alkisg, it says via technologies, so I am assuming I edit lts.conf as xserver=-via for that client?
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| 17:06 | <alkisg> No
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| 17:06 | Can you paste the exact output?
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| 17:06 | You probably need to specify X_HORZREFRESH and X_VERTSYNC in lts.conf for that client
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| 17:07 | *X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH
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| 17:11 | !learn edid as Some graphics drivers fail to read the monitor timings via EDID or DDC, so the client only allows for resolutions up to 800x600. You may try something like X_HORZSYNC=33-88 and X_VERTREFRESH=59-71 in lts.conf - but do read your monitor manual for the correct values
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| 17:11 | <ltsp> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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| 17:11 | <alkisg> bbl
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| 20:53 | <TheProf> Hello. I hope everyone is well. I am trying to install Scott Balneaves' xexit program on my Edubuntu server to kill off processes after someone has logged out.
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| 20:54 | However when I try to 'apt-get update' the repository sends an error
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| 20:55 | 404 specifically. I'm following the instructions here https://launchpad.net/~sbalneav/+archive/ppa - anyone tried this out recently? thanks
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| 21:03 | Aaaaand I solved it :) - the instructions are for the newest version of Ubuntu - you have to go into the repository source file and change it to the older version and it works.
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| 21:04 | <Hyperbyte> Aaaaaaaaaand well done to you. :)
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| 21:05 | * Hyperbyte high fives TheProf | |
| 21:05 | <TheProf> Hyperbyte, if only all the issues were this simple :)
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| 21:13 | Here is a second issue but this one is way out of my league -- Google is barely showing any hits on it also. Several times the thin clients will just kill the session you're in, and show you a console screen with the following:
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| 21:14 | init: plymouth main process (223) killed by ABRT signal
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| 21:14 | <Hyperbyte> If all issues were simple, there wouldn't be any challenge or fun in life. :)
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| 21:14 | <TheProf> Invalid card number
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| 21:14 | Hyperbyte, that is true I suppose :)
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| 21:14 | [4948.404963] ndb0: attempted send on closed socket
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| 21:15 | end_request: I/O error, dev ndb0, sector 1110554
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| 21:15 | Then it just repeats (with different values in between the square brackets) the following:
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| 21:15 | <TheProf> SquashFS error: squashfs_read_data failed to read block (some block number)
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| 21:16 | SquashFS error: unable to read metadata cache entry
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| 21:16 | SquashFS error: unable to read directory block (more numbers)
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| 21:16 | <Hyperbyte> Anything in the server logs?
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| 21:16 | <TheProf> and that repeats over and over. A power-cycle will bring it back up, but then it may randomly do that.
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| 21:17 | Hyperbyte, which log file should I look in?
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| 21:18 | <Hyperbyte> Syslog?
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| 21:18 | <TheProf> Well I just grepped in /var/log for ndb and metadata and got nothing. I'll look at syslog now
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| 21:19 | Hyperbyte, nothing in syslog
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| 21:20 | <Hyperbyte> Processes from the thin client stay active on the server?
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| 21:21 | Or are they all closed?
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| 21:22 | <Hyperbyte> My first hunch would be that your client is running out of ram and swap. Would that be possible?
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| 21:22 | <TheProf> Hyperbyte, it is a good question. I don't know as I never checked when it happened. I'm not really able to reproduce the error.
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| 21:23 | I'd hope not - these are new clients for us! :) I can check what their ram is right now.
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| 21:25 | <mmetzger> Anyone setup an LTSP server (on ubuntu) in XenServer?
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| 21:25 | <TheProf> Hyperbyte, Intel Pentium 4 3.2Ghz with 1 GB RAM
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| 21:26 | So I think swap would not be activated automatically with 1 GB ram correct?
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| 21:29 | <TheProf> I'm hoping the various 'failed read' and I/O errors aren't indicative of hardware issues - this this is a brand new server.
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| 21:31 | <Hyperbyte> TheProf, no
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| 21:31 | 23:15 <TheProf> end_request: I/O error, dev ndb0, sector 1110554
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| 21:31 | <TheProf> Hyperbyte, thank you for that.
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| 21:32 | <Hyperbyte> Wait. Did you copy paste that or type over?
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| 21:33 | <TheProf> typed it - I don't know how to capture it from the thin client screen so I wrote it out
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| 21:33 | <Hyperbyte> duh
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| 21:33 | It probably said 'nbd0'
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| 21:33 | Not 'ndb0'
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| 21:33 | NBD = Network Block Device
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| 21:33 | It's what LTSP uses to mount a filesystem over network.
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| 21:33 | <TheProf> argh. My paper did say nbd0 I just can't type :)
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| 21:33 | Right.
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| 21:34 | <Hyperbyte> Basically, on your server there's an .img file, which is made available over the network as /dev/nbd0 on the client (the block device)
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| 21:34 | Block device /dev/nbd0 is then mounted as a filesystem on the client
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| 21:34 | The root filesystem.
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| 21:34 | If, somehow, the NBD client stops working, or network connection stops, you get a read error on /dev/nbd0
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| 21:35 | So it's most likely not hardware related, as 'nbd0' isn't a real device. :)
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| 21:36 | <TheProf> OK that is very clear. Could the image itself be corrupted?
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| 21:36 | or .img file I meant.
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| 21:36 | <Hyperbyte> No, because then it wouldn't be random errors.
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| 21:36 | It's the first error that's relevant
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| 21:36 | 23:13 <TheProf> init: plymouth main process (223) killed by ABRT signal
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| 21:36 | That one.
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| 21:37 | <TheProf> Got it.
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| 21:37 | <Hyperbyte> Presumably ABRT signal = abort signal
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| 21:37 | <TheProf> OK so it could be an error with the network switch, network cabling, etc.
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| 21:37 | <mmetzger> I just dealt with a very similar issue where the network cards were acting up (caused by virtualization - not bad hardware)
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| 21:38 | <Hyperbyte> plymouth main process has something to do with boot. In fact I believe it's the splash screen you see during boot.
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| 21:38 | Dunno why it would get killed, but that's the main question. Why is some process being killed? It could indeed be lost network connection somehow.
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| 21:38 | But I don't know enough about that.
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| 21:39 | <abeehc> mmetzger: i've done it with kvm not xen
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| 21:39 | <Hyperbyte> What I'm saying is, don't dwell too much on everything that comes after it. Something goes wrong, and the client looses the network filesystem. After that there's gonna be a boatload of errors, naturally.
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| 21:39 | Because that's like pulling a harddisk from a running computer.
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| 21:39 | <mmetzger> abeehc: That was going to be my next attempt - there's just something screwy about XenServer's bridging code that the VM doesn't seem to get all the frames destined to it
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| 21:40 | <TheProf> Makes sense. OK. well the only difference between yesterday and today is the main server and the cable connecting it to the switch. All other network cables, thin clients, switches are identical.
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| 21:40 | <abeehc> is your host ubuntu? there's a vlan bug re: bridging out tehre
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| 21:40 | <Hyperbyte> TheProf, problem only appeared since today?
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| 21:41 | <TheProf> Hyperbyte, correct. Just started happening.
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| 21:41 | <Hyperbyte> If you have changed things in your network, and since then it's happening, I would test your network.
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| 21:41 | <mmetzger> abeehc: XenServer 5.6SP2 (ie, Citrix's distro) - the guest is ubuntu 10.04
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| 21:41 | <abeehc> setting up the host bridge for kvm/libvirt remains sorta clunky i think but it works well for me
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| 21:41 | <Hyperbyte> Or rather, the connection to the server. It could be the server is resetting network for some reason. Is it all clients at once?
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| 21:42 | <abeehc> mmetzger: this is what i was thinkin of.. not sure if it relates http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.network.bridge/5362
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| 21:43 | <TheProf> Hyperbyte, no it's a thin client here or there. Seems to be random.
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| 21:44 | And it can happen even if someone is not logged in.
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| 21:44 | <TheProf> The login screen will just vanish and the console will fill up with those errors
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| 21:45 | <mmetzger> abeehc: Thanks - Not using VLANs in this config (and XenServer shouldn't be either) but I'll look into it
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| 21:47 | I also know it's a virtual <-> physical issue because if I boot a virtual PXE client (on the same virtual network) it works perfectly. If I force it to bridge out a physical NIC, it shows the issue...
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| 21:48 | <TheProf> Hyperbyte, is there a way you'd recommend to test the network?
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| 21:52 | <Hyperbyte> ping?
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| 21:53 | Mind you though, could be something completely different. I have no idea about that first error message you receive.
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| 21:54 | You have a different server as well today?
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| 21:55 | <TheProf> It's a brand new server for the new year - upgraded hardware, software, etc. So I switched the network over to it (well, technically yesterday) but today was the first full day of use
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| 22:01 | <Hyperbyte> So, it's completely new software as well?
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| 22:01 | Or did you upgrade your previous installation?
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| 22:04 | <TheProf> Hyperbyte, Previously I was running Edubuntu 10.04, but now i am running 11.04 . It's also a completely different server
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| 22:04 | <Hyperbyte> You didn't answer my question
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| 22:04 | Software upgrade, or clean install of 11.04?
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| 22:07 | <TheProf> clean install of 11.04
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| 22:08 | <Hyperbyte> Hrm
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| 22:08 | Then I don't know.
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| 22:08 | Debug, test... :)
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| 22:08 | And more importantly
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| 22:08 | Ask alkisg. =)
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| 22:08 | !alkisg
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| 22:08 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: alkisg: The LTSP oracle. Our beacon of hope in the world of LTSP. With the guidance of this divine emperor, we shall prevail.
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| 22:09 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg is European though, like me
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| 22:09 | Which means he's already sleeping
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| 22:09 | And I'm going to
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| 22:09 | G'night. ;)
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| 22:27 | <TheProf> Hyperbyte, thanks very much for your help
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