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Channel log from 5 December 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:09 | <muppis> Anyone have idea why I get autologin work? In lts.conf LDM_AUTOLOGIN, LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD are set.
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| 03:11 | What else need to do?
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| 04:29 | <ravious> g`mornin :)
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| 04:32 | I've been trying to figure out if this setup is possible, i've not found any information about it.. But I know you can run LTSP from a cluster.. but if your cluster nodes are powerful enough, could the ltsp client be ran from a cluster node at the same time?
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| 04:34 | <muppis> Haven't tested, but you mostly have then VT enabled hardware so in virtualmachine at least.
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| 04:35 | <ravious> hm
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| 04:36 | <muppis> But it can get too complicated.
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| 04:36 | <ravious> hm
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| 04:36 | I've been sitting here trying to visualize it..
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| 04:36 | lol
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| 04:36 | <muppis> Setting vm is easy, but having it front all time can be tricky.
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| 04:38 | <ravious> I think im gonna setup a couple client/nodes and see what happens.
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| 04:38 | <muppis> TAAAry it.
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| 04:38 | What?
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| 04:45 | <garymc> Hi Peeps I need some URGENT HELP!
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| 04:46 | I upgraded UBUNTU to latest version through terminal last night. Now no one can log into the LTSP server via the network computers
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| 04:46 | It used to come up with login screen, now it says boot disk failure
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| 04:47 | can this be fixed or have I broken the system well and truly
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| 05:16 | <mrcarrot> with debian squeeze ltspfs is broken... it only mounts in /tmp/.username but never maps it to /media
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| 05:16 | do you have any suggestion or workaround for this problem?
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| 05:17 | <muppis> mrcarrot, install Ubuntu one or make a wrapperscript.
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| 05:18 | Same named script which is called instead actual binary and it calls binary inside and afterwards makes /media -bind.
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| 05:20 | <mrcarrot> ubuntu is not a solution here as the customer ordered the system with debian... i am forced to use debian in this installation
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| 05:21 | i am able to write scripts, but i would need a little bit of more information what binary i should replace and what it gets as parameters when i put in a usb stick
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| 05:21 | <muppis> Not even one package to fix a bug?
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| 05:21 | <mrcarrot> nope... it has apparently been there for at least a half year, if not a lot longer
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| 05:21 | <muppis> Ok.
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| 05:22 | <mrcarrot> debian is apparently very slow at development and testing... no wonder it takes sevaral years to get out a product
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| 05:22 | <muppis> Debian seems to be more rolling than scheduled distro.
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| 05:23 | <ogra_ac> muppis, are your users in the fuse group ?
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| 05:23 | <muppis> ogra_ac, I think no..
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| 05:23 | <ogra_ac> (ubuntu doesnt need that anymore, might be that debian still does)
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| 05:23 | <mrcarrot> debian stable is not rolling... and squeeze will becom the stable version once it is having a bit less bugs
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| 05:23 | <muppis> ogra_ac, or was your guestion to mrcarrot ?
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| 05:23 | <ogra_ac> oh, yeah
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| 05:24 | you both start your nick with m :P
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| 05:24 | <mrcarrot> ogra_ac: i will check... the users are in the same group as they were in debian lenny
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| 05:24 | there it worked... but other things broken
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| 05:24 | <muppis> mrcarrot, are you in Salo?
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| 05:24 | <komunista> I have tested only USB sticks, but it works, with icon on the gnome desktop under squeeze
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| 05:24 | <muppis> (as you ISP is SSP..)
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| 05:25 | <mrcarrot> ogra_ac: the user is there in fuse group
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| 05:25 | muppis: no.. but my isp goes out through salo
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| 05:25 | <muppis> mrcarrot, been there.
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| 05:26 | 5 years, left last spring.
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| 05:26 | <mrcarrot> okay :)
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| 05:26 | <muppis> mrcarrot, correct binary will be one of these: http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/amd64/ltspfsd-core/filelist
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| 05:26 | <komunista> my users are in plugdev and fuse groups...
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| 05:27 | <muppis> If adding to groups doesn't help.
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| 05:27 | <mrcarrot> muppis: i looked already at that file list, but i do not know the inside of ltsp enough to know how those are working together
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| 05:27 | and i need to get that server working today
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| 05:28 | i guess i will also ask the same question in #debian...
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| 05:28 | <muppis> mrcarrot, I think it would be ltspfs_mount and ltspfs_umount needs wrapper. But try those groups first, safer and easier.
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| 05:29 | <mrcarrot> muppis: i tried the groups already... the users are in the fuse group
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| 05:29 | <muppis> Or you can user automounter in /media.
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| 05:29 | How about plugdev ?
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| 05:30 | <mrcarrot> there they are too
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| 05:30 | <muppis> Makes tricky.
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| 05:31 | <mrcarrot> i guess i could make a /etc/ltspfs/mounter.d/whateverscript
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| 05:31 | <muppis> Sounds good.
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| 05:31 | <mrcarrot> at least by putting a script there you can get an icon on a kde desktop when you plug in something... as long as the device is visible in /media
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| 05:31 | <muppis> Haven't use Debian since when left from utu.
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| 05:32 | <mrcarrot> to say the truth, even ubuntu is more stable than debian it looks like
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| 05:32 | and both are having their share of problems
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| 05:34 | i hope centos 6 will have ltsp once it is released. with 7 years of support it is long time enough that any school wants to upgrade before the support ends
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| 05:38 | <ogra_ac> does anyone work actively on fedora integration ?
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| 05:38 | last time i looked it was dead ... there was someone expressing interest to work on it on the ML but he never committed any code
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| 05:53 | <muppis> ogra_ac, any idea about autologin? Mine doesn't work. In lts.conf is LDM_AUTOLOGIN, LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD set per mac.
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| 05:54 | <ogra_ac> should theoretically work
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| 05:54 | <muppis> It just sits on LDM login.
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| 05:54 | <garymc> Hi Ogra_ac im in need of some help
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| 05:55 | <ogra_ac> try running an xterm as localapp and run getltscfg -a
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| 05:55 | and see if the values reach the client
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| 05:55 | <garymc> I uprgaded UBUNTU last night to latest version and its broken my LTSP. My terminals can no longer log in they get boot failure messages
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| 05:55 | <muppis> Uh oh.. Gotta connect kb.. ;D Making HTPC.
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| 05:56 | garymc, can you login to server itself?
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| 05:56 | <garymc> yes
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| 05:56 | <muppis> Rebuild client?
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| 05:56 | <garymc> ivoks i shelping me in ubuntu-server channel at the minute. Thats what im doing rebuilding
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| 05:57 | <muppis> (Ah, I'm not since upgrade.. That might be trick for me.)
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| 05:59 | Is there easy place to alter list of installed packages during build?
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| 06:16 | <muppis> Now I know why I didn't upgrade client to Maverick.. yavdr xbmc got broken depencies..
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| 06:24 | <garymc> Ok I need some major help
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| 06:24 | I upgraded my UBUNTU version last night. I did this through terminal and not the GNOME. Now non of my Thin Clients will boot up?
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| 06:25 | im desperate for help, as all workers are back in the morning and it needs to be working ASAP
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| 06:25 | <ogra_ac> you updated from one ubuntu release to another ?
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| 06:25 | <garymc> yes
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| 06:26 | but it was UBUNTU LTSP i installed origonaly
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| 06:26 | last year
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| 06:26 | <ogra_ac> how exactly did you do that ? did you follow the right upgrade process ?
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| 06:27 | <garymc> I dont think so :(
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| 06:27 | i dont know
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| 06:27 | I upgraded from Jaunty to Karmic through the GNOME sometime this year and that was fine.
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| 06:27 | But I upgraded from home last night through terminal
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| 06:28 | and now thin clients wont boot
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| 06:28 | <ogra_ac> http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/upgrade
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| 06:28 | you need to use update-manager-core for commandline based upgrades
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| 06:28 | <garymc> I was on 9.10 Karmic
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| 06:28 | so can i fix this?
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| 06:28 | <ogra_ac> no idea
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| 06:29 | you should have done it right in the first place ;)
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| 06:29 | so can you log in directly on the server with your users ?
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| 06:29 | <garymc> I can log in directly with root
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| 06:30 | I havnt tried logging into terminal as a normal users
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| 06:30 | yes I can login as a normal user in terminal wiondow
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| 06:30 | just thin clients wont boot up
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| 06:31 | <ogra_ac> so can you log in directly on the server with your users ?
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| 06:31 | <garymc> yes I think thats what i just did
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| 06:31 | <ogra_ac> ok
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| 06:31 | <garymc> i used my normal login name gary and my normal password
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| 06:31 | <ogra_ac> sudo mv /opt/ltsp /opt/ltsp.bak
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| 06:32 | <garymc> im pretty sure i didnt do sudo apt-get install update-manager-core
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| 06:32 | <ogra_ac> sudo mkdir /opt/ltsp
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| 06:32 | sudo ltsp-build-client
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| 06:32 | try these three commands
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| 06:32 | your server might be broken anyway though, but the above should get you working clients
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| 06:33 | <garymc> ok its doing some stuff
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| 06:35 | touching wood and crossing my fingers and praying this works :S
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| 06:49 | orgra_ac it says completed succesfully
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| 06:49 | Is there a way I can test without getting someone in the office to boot the Thin client up?
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| 06:51 | <muppis> I use vm with ssh-tunneled vnc.
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| 06:56 | <garymc> is that an easy procedure muppis?
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| 06:57 | <muppis> garymc, no, but useful in long period.
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| 06:57 | <garymc> yeah...... ok I need a quick fix. Waiting for someone to get to the office to test the thin clients
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| 06:58 | <muppis> But gotta go fix a car.
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| 07:09 | <garymc> good luck with your car
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| 07:13 | ogra im sure i used sudo ltsp-build-client and it didnt work earlier. Still waiting for someone to get back ontop office to test this
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| 07:14 | <garymc> I definatley never did sudo apt-get install update-manager-core before upgrade
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| 07:36 | <garymc> ogra_ac : Those commands never fixed my issue
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| 07:37 | i see with that link you provided i should have done ubuntu upgrade for desktops (possibly)
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| 07:38 | i dont mean to bug anyone but im desperate for help in resolving this issue here. Should I pack my computer up and goto the office?
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| 09:12 | <muppis> I've set in ltsp-update-image.conf ARCH=amd64, but it still tries update non-existing directory. Why so?
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| 09:13 | Or actual direcrtory exists, but it not valid chroot.
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| 09:19 | Still no autologin.
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| 10:33 | <alkisg> muppis: for the autologin problem, try `getltscfg -a` from a localxterm
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| 10:33 | !localxterm
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| 10:33 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "localxterm" :: while sitting on a thin client, open a gnome terminal. In that, run: ltsp-localapps xterm. An xterm will open. That xterm runs locally, so any commands you enter there are executed directly on the client.
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| 14:29 | <muppis> alkisg, had to try that, but need to geet kb somewhere.
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| 14:30 | <alkisg> Erm, "geet kb"? sorry?
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| 14:31 | <muppis> get... To see ltscfg,
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| 14:32 | If you don't remember, I'm trying to do HTPC from client.
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| 14:34 | <alkisg> Home theater with ltsp? with localapps?
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| 14:34 | <alkisg> You can activate vino-server and connect to the client from another pc, if you don't have a keyboard handy...
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| 14:34 | <muppis> Yes.
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| 14:35 | <alkisg> Whoah, slitaz runs a full X session with less than 48 MB RAM!!!!
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| 14:42 | <muppis> I think I install ssh-server.
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| 16:13 | <muppis> Is client's passwd and shadow overwritten during build?
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| 18:21 | <stgraber> Just in case there's someone around, I'm going to tag and release ltsp and ldm in a few minutes.
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| 19:26 | <highvoltage> yay
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| 20:47 | <stgraber> vagrantc: ping
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| 21:01 | ok, ldm 2.2 is released. I'm building a test package in my PPA now, if all works fine (want to test the big merge from Debian ;)) I'll upload to natty
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| 21:01 | then will work on ltsp itself
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| 21:22 | <vagrantc> stgraber: my last build was basically current with ldm and seemed to work great
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| 21:22 | stgraber: er, my last build was the version before you tagged, so that sounds good.
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| 21:22 | <stgraber> cool
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| 21:23 | <vagrantc> i can only upload to experimental anyways at this point
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| 21:23 | <stgraber> also, I rebased my packaging on yours and sent you a diff by mail of all the changes that I kept for Ubuntu and the ones I think could be merged either in Debian or applied directly upstream
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| 21:23 | <vagrantc> oh, nice.
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| 21:24 | stgraber: should also compare the ltsp-build-client plugin dirs at some point soonish
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| 21:24 | <stgraber> yep, I remember doing it a few months ago (lucid ?) not sure if much changed in there since then
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| 21:25 | I'm pretty sure I didn't change much other than the whole fat client thingy (which should work fine with Debian too)
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| 21:27 | <vagrantc> stgraber: i use ubuntulooks instead of clearlooks because it's a much smaller dependency
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| 21:29 | and i honestly couldn't tell the difference
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| 21:30 | <stgraber> I'd need to check if I can also get rid of clearlooks in Ubuntu or if something is pulling it anyway
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| 21:30 | <vagrantc> if there was a way to detect the engine at run-time it would be good
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| 21:30 | <stgraber> would be nice to see if we can change it upstream, though I'm guessing ubuntulooks probably isn't in fedora and gentoo
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| 21:32 | <vagrantc> does it still use the patched file in the new themeing?
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| 21:33 | <stgraber> yep, I don't think that part changed
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| 21:35 | <vagrantc> maybe nokoda?
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| 21:35 | it is/was default in fedora, and is present in debian and presumably ubuntu
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| 21:36 | <vagrantc> er, nodoka
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| 21:37 | or murrine?
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| 21:37 | though i guess those pull in lots of other dependencies ... but murrine is the only one that seems to be progressing
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| 21:37 | though i think clearlooks is the resonable default
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| 21:38 | <stgraber> murrine would be better as it's already in main (so no paperwork) :)
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| 21:38 | * vagrantc checks how much extra it pulls in | |
| 21:47 | <vagrantc> stgraber: ok, so gtk2-engines-ubuntulooks, gtk2-engines-nodoka are comprable is size. gtk2-engines-murrine is also comprable, but pulls in a fairly large recommends on murrine-themes. gtk2-engines (which includes clearlooks) is larger than the other *-engine packages, but smaller than the murrine-themes recommends....
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| 21:47 | given all that, i think i'd be inclined to just stick with clearlooks
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| 21:48 | <stgraber> oh big is your current saving with ubuntulooks vs clearlooks ?
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| 21:51 | <vagrantc> 38k downloaded, 164k installed for ubuntulooks, 587k/1,479k for gtk2-engines
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| 21:51 | fairly significant
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| 21:52 | <stgraber> indeed
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| 21:52 | <vagrantc> but it's kind of annoying to maintain the patch, and if ubuntu isn't even using ubuntulooks...
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| 21:52 | or maintaining it
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| 21:52 | <stgraber> yeah, they're using light-themes now. Not sure what's the gtk engine used for this one
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| 21:53 | ok, ldm built just fine and is 100% identical to my last snapshot. Uploading to the archive now
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| 21:53 | <vagrantc> last ubuntulooks upload to debian was april 2008
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| 21:54 | what a difficult theme name to search for... there's a million window managers that match the search term "light"
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| 21:55 | <stgraber> it's using murrine
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| 21:55 | just checked on my laptop
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| 21:58 | <vagrantc> stgraber: so ubuntu uses the Vcs-* flags for an entirely different purpose?
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| 21:58 | in Debian, it's used to specify a branch that contains the debian dir for packaging
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| 21:58 | (and may optionally include upstream as well)
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| 21:59 | <stgraber> it's still a bit blurry ;) so for now I just kept it as it was in the previous packaging.
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| 21:59 | we're technically supposed to use the new packaging branches
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| 21:59 | lp:ubuntu/<release>/<source>
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| 21:59 | so for ldm it should have been: lp:ubuntu/natty/ldm
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| 21:59 | <vagrantc> stgraber: also, debian policy now prefers breaks+replaces instead of the conflicts for a lot of that stuff
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| 22:00 | <stgraber> which contains both source+packaging in the same branch with the right bzr-buildpackage configuration to re-generate the .orig.tar.gz and split everything properly before upload
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| 22:00 | so I'll eventually update the Vcs fields to that (when I actually start using that for ltsp/ldm, I'm testing it for some other packages first)
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| 22:01 | yeah, the breaks/replaces/conflicts/provides/... is a bit of a mess currently, so I just took the easy way of not doing anything.
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| 22:01 | My hope is that next time I look at them I'll be able to just drop them.
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| 22:03 | btw, ltsp 5.2.5 released. Working on packaging now (checking if I can merge from Debian easily or if I should keep that for next upload)
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| 22:03 | * vagrantc hopes for merge | |
| 22:04 | <stgraber> yeah, I just now that I have a lot more changes for ltsp than I did for ldm and ldm already took me a while ;)
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| 22:07 | ouch, that's quite a few changes ...
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| 22:11 | <vagrantc> only gets worse the longer it gets put off
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| 22:11 | <stgraber> ok, that seems perfectly mergable but not for this upload. I want 5.2.5 in the archive so I can get a MIR for python-daemon, that means archive admin need a readable diff ;)
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| 22:12 | I'll push 5.2.5 with just the dep change, get python-daemon in Main, wait for daily build, make sure everything works (especially the d-i component and edubuntu integration)
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| 22:12 | then I should be able to make test packages with the merge I have done here and compare the binaries to make sure they're identical and when they're good, push that
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| 22:12 | * stgraber puts that on todo list of next weekend | |
| 22:14 | <stgraber> Total diff is 4708 lines long ! so archive admins would really hate me if I push that now ;)
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| 22:22 | <vagrantc> diff of the debian dirs?
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| 22:30 | stgraber: also, it makes versioning easier if we do a 3 part version, just in case there's a binNMU or something
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| 22:30 | stgraber: i.e. ldm 2.2.0
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| 22:31 | <stgraber> ah, too late :( I released upstream with 2.2 to match what we did for ltsp 5.2 recently (and not 5.2.0)
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| 22:32 | <vagrantc> ltsp 5.2?
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| 22:32 | * vagrantc mentioned it last time, too | |
| 22:33 | <vagrantc> not a *huge* deal, but it would be preferable if we actually did that, at least ot me
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| 22:33 | <stgraber> yeah, 4709 was for a diff of debian dirs. Most of that is probably .po and such, but still would like to avoid that appearing at the same time as I ask for two packages to move to main :)
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| 22:35 | * stgraber will try to remember for the upcoming ltsp 6.0.0 (looks weird though shouldn't be released very soon) and ldm 3.0.0 (might happen quite soon, depending on how scotty's doing and when we can replace the frontend) | |
| 22:35 | <vagrantc> that would be nice :)
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| 22:37 | wow. fedora's still on ltsp 5.1.x and ldm 2.0.x
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| 22:37 | <stgraber> ouch
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| 22:38 | I guess we'll need to upate the topic then ...
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| 22:39 | <vagrantc> there was some new person who apparently got it working with the current fedora version, but obviously nothing went upstream :(
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| 22:40 | maybe it's just updated patches to get the old versions to work
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| 22:43 | stgraber: i've been wondering if running the autogen.sh stuff before building the tarball is actually a good idea...
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| 22:43 | it causes large diffs between upstream versions, and i'm not sure it's necessary...
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| 22:47 | <stgraber> well, it's kind-of standard for upstreams .tar.gz to already contain the configure script. I guess that's why mkdst does that
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| 22:48 | <vagrantc> i know it's not uncommon, but it does have some downsides
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