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10:16	<pwmc> hello
10:17	I have troube with grphics on thin clients on ubuntu 14.04. gpu is intel gma3150(3600). any ideas?
10:18	and sorry, I'm speak bad on English :)
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11:34	<vsuojanen> pwmc_: what kind of trouble? do you have ltsp server running ubuntu 14.04 and what desktop flavor it is your thin clients are using? or is the the problem with some 3D accelerated software. Ubuntu and Unity desktops don't play well on thin clients
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11:46	<pwmc_> vsuojanen, slow window render speed. ltsp server running at ubuntu 14.04. windows manager is lxde.
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11:50	<alkisg> pwmc_: what cpu and how much ram do your clients have?
11:50	Maybe you can use them as ltsp fat clients instead
11:52	<pwmc_> alkisg, all work fine at ubuntu 12.04. lags came after release-upgrade
11:53	thin client atom d525 and atom d2500
11:54	<alkisg> ram?
11:54	<pwmc_> 2gb
11:54	<alkisg> Gigabit network or 100 mbps?
11:54	How many clients and how powerfull is your server?
11:55	<pwmc_> server and network 1000. clients 100.
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11:56	<alkisg> !lan_benchmark
11:56	<ltsp> lan_benchmark: If you have a mixed-speed network (gigabit server<=>switch connection, and 100 Mbits/sec clients<=>switch connections), then you might suffer from the !flow-control issue. To benchmark your LAN with epoptes, see http://www.epoptes.org/documentation/lan-benchmark
11:56	<alkisg> You didn't mention the other things I asked
11:57	Fat clients might work better in your environment
11:57	Try: ltsp-localapps xterm
11:57	That xterm will run locally, try running a few things from there
11:57	E.g. ls -lhaR / , to see the scrolling speed
11:57	If it works better for you, you may do this:
11:57	!ltsp-pnp
11:57	<ltsp> ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
11:58	<alkisg> This will let you create a fat chroot, which will allow clients to use their own cpu to render things
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13:08	<fuzzmew> hi
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13:12	<fuzzmew> server was rebooted, now getting a tftp open time out, weird. Nothing was changed........how odd. When it was working, though I notived that the application "handbrake" was running terribly slow, painfully slow, the server here is pretty fast, so I dn't understand.
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13:47	<labkomltsp^labko> hello
13:47	<fuzzmew> hi
13:47	<labkomltsp^labko> why my epoptes not display the client
13:47	i using pinet fot myltsp system
13:48	<fuzzmew> don't know. newb here. alkisg may know more than I
13:50	<labkomltsp^labko> you have ltsp?
13:50	what the system? pinet or ltsp?
14:10	<fuzzmew> ltsp
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14:23	<labkomltsp^labko> can any body help me, my epoptes not running in pinet system
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16:32	<fuzzmew> Discovered that I must run service dnsmasq restart every time I bring up the server, do not know why.
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16:32	<fuzzmew> Running Mint 17.3
16:38	<alkisg> Is it running on boot?
16:38	I think it has some bugs related to bind-dynamic etc, what files do you have in /etc/dnsmasq.d/ ?
16:41	<fuzzmew> will look
16:42	System01 dnsmasq.d # ll
16:42	total 28
16:42	drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Mar 16 03:58 ./
16:42	drwxr-xr-x 162 root root 12288 Mar 18 10:15 ../
16:42	-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2120 Mar 16 03:58 ltsp-server-dnsmasq.conf
16:42	-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 202 Apr 28 2015 network-manager
16:42	-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 211 May 1 2015 README
16:42	System01 dnsmasq.d #
16:42	<alkisg> What are the contents of "network-manager"?
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16:43	<fuzzmew> System01 dnsmasq.d # cat network-manager
16:43	# Tell any system-wide dnsmasq instance to make sure to bind to interfaces
16:43	# instead of listening on 0.0.0.0
16:43	# WARNING: changes to this file will get lost if network-manager is removed.
16:43	bind-interfaces
16:43	System01 dnsmasq.d #
16:43	<alkisg> Try making it: #bind-interfaces
16:43	I.e. comment it out
16:43	If it makes a difference for you, file a bug against dnsmasq
16:44	<fuzzmew> Ok.
16:45	Another question, what might be causing apps to run so slow, ie handbrake only gives me 11 frames per second encoding on the client, but over 100 on the server when I log in loacally
16:45	<alkisg> Open a terminal and type "hostname"
16:45	Do you see "ltsp123" or the hostname of your server?
16:45	(on your client)
16:45	<fuzzmew> I remember that
16:47	on the server it says
16:47	System01 dnsmasq.d # hostname
16:47	System01
16:47	System01 dnsmasq.d #
16:48	oh poop
16:49	Ok
16:50	it did say ltsp123 before
16:50	<\|\|cw> that would mean it's doing the encoding on the client CPU
16:50	<alkisg> If you see ltsp123 on the client, it's running as a fat client, which is a good thing, but you need to run handbrake as a "remote app"
16:51	I.e. you need to enable ltsp remoteapps from lts.conf, and set handbrake as a remoteapp
16:54	<fuzzmew> Which lts.conf ? under ltsp/amd64 or i386?
16:54	<alkisg> If you have 2 different ones, make one a symlink of the other
16:55	<fuzzmew> symlink 2 different files?
16:55	<alkisg> Merge them first
16:55	Why would you need two different ones?
16:55	<fuzzmew> I don't know. I did not design the programme
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16:56	<alkisg> lts.conf is manually created
16:56	By you
16:56	Not by ltsp
16:56	<fuzzmew> I have no such records
16:56	of creating it
16:56	<alkisg> At some point you ran ltsp-config lts.conf or something
16:56	!ltsp-pnp
16:56	<ltsp> ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
16:56	<alkisg> See the step there at the wiki
16:57	<fuzzmew> Ok, now that I can remember a little
16:57	<alkisg> It's a manual step
16:58	<fuzzmew> System01 amd64 # merge
16:58	The program 'merge' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing:
16:58	apt-get install rcs
16:58	System01 amd64 # apt-get install merge
16:58	Reading package lists... Done
16:58	Building dependency tree
16:58	Reading state information... Done
16:58	E: Unable to locate package merge
16:58	System01 amd64 #
16:58	'System01 amd64 #
16:58	is it ready now?
16:58	<alkisg> Merge as a word, not as a program
16:58	<fuzzmew> I can't merge
16:58	<alkisg> I meant that if you managed to create two different lts.conf
16:59	you should manually see their contents and keep only one of them
16:59	then symlink the one you deleted to the one you kept
16:59	<fuzzmew> I don't know which one I should keep. The one with more stuff in it?
16:59	<alkisg> I didn't mean that you should install a "merge" program
16:59	You created them; I don't know which one you want to keep
16:59	<fuzzmew> What would have created both directories? i386 and amd64
17:00	<alkisg> Keep the one with more stuff, whatever
17:00	Your two ltsp installations
17:00	The one with ltsp-build-client and the one with ltsp-pnp
17:01	<fuzzmew> dang. I do not know which one is working , it is an old laptop, hpzv6000, so it cannot be a 64 bit processor right?
17:01	<alkisg> You can check irclogs.ltsp.org
17:01	I think that you told me that you wanted amd64,
17:01	<fuzzmew> but when the pxe screen comes up, I saw something that said /ltsp/amd64 cofusing
17:01	<alkisg> but only had an i386 laptop to test with,
17:01	<fuzzmew> Ok I remember saying that
17:02	<alkisg> so you ended up having two images, one for the laptop and one for the future client
17:02	So now you're using i386 and in the future you'll use amd64
17:02	When you buy the new client
17:03	<fuzzmew> Ok. then I should ignore the /ltsp/amd64 stuff on the old laptop pxe screen thing when it boots, I remember seeing something like that so more confusion
17:05	System01 i386 # cat lts.conf
17:05	LDM_DIRECTX=True
17:05	LTSP_FATCLIENT=False
17:05	#X_RAMPERC=80
17:05	#LOCAL_APPS=False
17:05	System01 i386 #
17:05	Ok this file I a m using
17:05	<alkisg> That lts.conf is broken, delete it
17:05	Keep the other one
17:05	<fuzzmew> delete this one up there? ^^
17:05	<alkisg> Yes
17:06	<fuzzmew> Ok. will delete. here is the one with more stuff in it
17:06	System01 amd64 # cat lts.conf
17:06	# If using NFS, lts.conf goes in /opt/ltsp/<arch>/etc/lts.conf.
17:06	# For NBD (the default in Ubuntu), /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/<arch>/lts.conf
17:06	# is used instead.
17:06	# A list of directives is available at http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
17:06	# or your installed lts.conf man page.
17:06	<alkisg> !pastebin
17:06	<ltsp> pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
17:06	<fuzzmew> # Lines starting with '#' are comments.
17:06	# Avoid empty [Sections] as they're considered syntax errors.
17:06	# This section applies to all clients and is overriden by the other sections.
17:06	[Default]
17:06	# For troubleshooting, the following open a local console with Alt+Ctrl+F2.
17:06	#SCREEN_02=shell
17:06	#SCREEN_07=ldm
17:07	# Don't encrypt X traffic. Gives much faster graphics at a security cost.
17:07	LDM_DIRECTX=True
17:07	LTSP_FATCLIENT=False
17:07	X_RAMPERC=80
17:07	#LOCAL_APPS=False
17:07	# If you're using Unity, you might want to install gnome-session-fallback and
17:07	# use it by default instead, as it performs better on LTSP thin clients.
17:07	#LDM_SESSION="gnome-fallback"
17:07	# Force all clients to a specific resolution.
17:07	#XRANDR_MODE_0=1024x768
17:07	# If the default 16bit color mode is giving you problems on thin clients:
17:07	#X_SMART_COLOR_DEPTH=False
17:07	# A space separated list of services to disable on thin/fat clients.
17:07	RM_SYSTEM_SERVICES="dnsmasq nbd-server"
17:07	# An additional list of services to disable on thin clients only.
17:07	RM_THIN_SYSTEM_SERVICES="qemu-kvm virtualbox"
17:07	# Use any local swap partitions on the clients.
17:07	USE_LOCAL_SWAP=True
17:07	# Provide a "Login as Guest" button, which uses LDM_USERNAME/LDM_PASSWORD.
17:07	#LDM_GUESTLOGIN=True
17:07	# Automatically login clients with the specified LDM_USERNAME/LDM_PASSWORD.
17:07	#LDM_AUTOLOGIN=True
17:07	# Some other frequently used directives, described in the lts.conf manpage.
17:07	# For really low RAM clients, disable SOUND, LOCAL_APPS and LOCALDEV.
17:07	#SOUND=False
17:07	#VOLUME=50
17:07	#LOCAL_APPS=False
17:07	#LOCAL_APPS_EXTRAMOUNTS=/srv
17:08	#LOCALDEV=False
17:08	#LOCALDEV_DENY_INTERNAL_DISKS=False
17:08	#FSTAB_1="server:/home /home nfs defaults,nolock 0 0"
17:08	#XSERVER=vesa
17:08	#X_BLANKING=0
17:08	#X_NUMLOCK=True
17:08	#XKBLAYOUT="us,gr"
17:08	#XKBOPTIONS="grp:alt_shift_toggle,grp_led:scroll"
17:08	#LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION=True
17:08	#LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION_PROMPT=True
17:08	#LDM_PRINTER_DEFAULT="psc-1310-series"
17:08	# You can define sections to be included later on with "LIKE" directives.
17:08	[OLD_MONITOR]
17:08	# The following directives are useful in cases where the driver can't detect
17:08	# the (possibly old CRT) monitor timings and only offers low resolutions.
17:08	# Consult your monitor manual for the correct values, those are for 1024x768.
17:08	X_HORZSYNC=30.0-88.0
17:08	X_VERTREFRESH=50.0-88.0
17:08	# You can specify directives per client with MAC address (or IP or hostname)
17:08	# based sections.
17:08	# One way to get their MAC addresses is to run `arp -n` when they're at LDM.
17:08	#[A1:B1:C2:D4:E5:F6]
17:08	#HOSTNAME=pc01
17:08	#LDM_USERNAME=user01
17:08	#LDM_PASSWORD=pass01
17:08	# Include another section.
17:08	#LIKE=OLD_MONITOR
17:08	System01 amd64 #
17:09	oh crap!! sorry!
17:09	http://pastebin.com/raw/4gZM7DSx
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17:11	<alkisg> Keep that one, yes.
17:11	<fuzzmew> Ok keeping
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17:34	<fuzzmew> symlinked. but cannot find command for remote app
17:35	wait, I think this is it REMOTE_APPS=True
17:37	will have to reboot server now to test. i be back later
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19:21	<alkisg> vagrantc: heya, how would you feel about doing another ltsp release? Does it take you much time?
19:25	!alkisg-todo
19:25	<ltsp> alkisg-todo: (#1) support xnbd-proxy for local caching: https://bitbucket.org/hirofuchi/xnbd/wiki/Home#!scenario-2-simple-proxy-server-distributed-copy-on-write, or (#2) LDM_GUESTLOGIN=auto, or (#3) Support UEFI, or (#4) make KEEP_SYSTEM_SERVICES override user-defined RM_SYSTEM_SERVICES, or (#5) change /var/cache/ltsp to /run/ltsp, or (#6) support for per-user login commands in lts.conf
19:26	<alkisg> !learn alkisg-todo as fix RM_SYSTEM_SERVICES under systemd
19:26	<ltsp> The operation succeeded.
19:26	<alkisg> !learn alkisg-todo as fix TERM=dumb under systemd
19:26	<ltsp> The operation succeeded.
19:30	<alkisg> !alkisg-todo
19:30	<ltsp> alkisg-todo: (#1) support xnbd-proxy for local caching: https://bitbucket.org/hirofuchi/xnbd/wiki/Home#!scenario-2-simple-proxy-server-distributed-copy-on-write, or (#2) LDM_GUESTLOGIN=auto, or (#3) Support UEFI, or (#4) make KEEP_SYSTEM_SERVICES override user-defined RM_SYSTEM_SERVICES, or (#5) change /var/cache/ltsp to /run/ltsp, or (#6) support for per-user login commands in lts.conf, or (#7) fix RM_SYSTEM_SERVICES under (1 more message)
19:30	<alkisg> !forget alkisg-todo 8
19:30	<ltsp> The operation succeeded.
19:41	<vagrantc> alkisg: if it goes smoothly, it doesn't take too much time :)
19:41	alkisg: and then there's the other times... :)
19:41	<alkisg> Haha
19:42	<vagrantc> alkisg: how soon would you need it by?
19:42	<alkisg> 50-rm-system-services needs a bit of fixing, it produces a lot of warnings on non-systemd services
19:42	I think I'll fix that today or tomorrow
19:42	After that, whenever you want, e.g. take a week or so...
19:42	<vagrantc> ok, i might have time monday
19:43	<alkisg> Ty!
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19:54	<hogbola> good evening I was lead here by the PiNet support site and I'm wondering i anyone could perhaps help me out?
19:55	<vagrantc> don't see any of the pinet folks in at the moment
19:55	<alkisg> hogbola: AFAIK gbaman said that he wants people to contact him by mail for support
19:55	!raspberrypi
19:55	<ltsp> raspberrypi: (#1) Ubuntu/LTSP on Pi 2: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/RaspberryPi, or (#2) Debian/LTSP (with raspbian chroot) on Pi: http://cascadia.debian.net/trenza/Documentation/raspberrypi-ltsp-howto/, or (#3) unofficial Ubuntu/LTSP (with raspbian chroot) on Pi: http://pinet.org.uk/
19:56	<alkisg> Here we support the first two methods...
19:56	<hogbola> Ok I'll write him an email then... Thankyou
19:56	<alkisg> np
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20:56	<alkisg> Wow, the new initramfs tools has function overrides :D
20:57	LTSP led the way!
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