IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 18 December 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:13 | <muh2000__> hi
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| 00:19 | <ari_stress> hi
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| 00:20 | <muh2000> my login screen does not load out of the sudden :/
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| 00:20 | xdmcp i think is the problem
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| 00:27 | <ari_stress> did u make any changes?
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| 00:27 | <muh2000> no ^^
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| 00:27 | <ari_stress> strange :D
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| 00:28 | <muh2000> hmm i managed to have the login screen back with restart of kdm.
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| 00:28 | but when i login it loads shortly some stuff and jumps back to the login.
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| 00:28 | i can logon @ the server or with ssh though
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| 00:29 | ltsp5 was it afair, maybe i should update it?
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| 00:31 | <ari_stress> if you make any changes in whatsoever, you might need to do:
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| 00:31 | ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 00:31 | ltsp-update-image
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| 00:31 | <muh2000> -bash: ltsp-update-sshkeys: command not found :/
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| 00:36 | <muh2000> -bash: ltsp-update-image: command not found
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| 00:43 | * sutula suggests "sudo" before both as they are probably in /usr/sbin | |
| 00:43 | <muh2000> sutula: i am loged in as root ;)
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| 00:44 | whoami .... root
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| 00:44 | * sutula hasn't been paying that much attention...just an idea | |
| 00:44 | <muh2000> ^^
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| 00:44 | <ari_stress> muh2000: maybe you're not using ltsp5
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| 00:45 | <sutula> muh2000: It exists on ltsp5 on my server
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| 00:45 | <muh2000> i am starting to think it is still 4.2 i just remember testing ltsp5 some time ago... not quite sure, but doesnt change the problem that auth does not work anymor with ltsp :(
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| 00:47 | i think i switch to ltsp5...
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| 00:49 | <sutula> muh2000: Probably a reinstall would be a help anyway...either it will solve it or at least you'll be on a version you can debug
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| 00:51 | <muh2000> hmmmmm or my auth system is broken somehow
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| 00:54 | kdm: 192.168.88.8:0[10623]: pam_unix(kdm:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=192.168.88.8:0 ruser= rhost=192.168.88.8 user=bla
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| 00:54 | <muh2000> at the computer login still works, only over ltsp not
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| 01:05 | <muh2000> the ltsp-server install script asks me how many nbd server instances should be used ?!?
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| 01:31 | <muh2000> so i ran "ltsp-build-client --dist etch --arch i386" what now?
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| 01:43 | hmmmm nfsmount is complaining that it needs a path o_O
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| 01:44 | but the path is the same as before
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| 01:49 | http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8439/vmwarebi4.png
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| 01:55 | help
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| 01:55 | where is that /script/ folder ?
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| 02:00 | hmmm i changed the kernel to use 2.6.22-2-486 now it loads to some point
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| 02:05 | there is a login screen, i managed to set a password for root with chroot... but i feel a bit lost
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| 02:05 | no X, no login with normal users from the hostsystem etc..
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| 02:08 | <muh2000> and i wonder why the nbd client wants to access /lib/modules/2.6.22-2-486/modules.dep... i thought this was exported with nfs ?!?
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| 02:20 | hmmm
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| 02:23 | killed ltsp5 again, installed 4.2 still the same error...
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| 04:54 | <daya> Hi channel,
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| 04:55 | I followed the 2nd step of the http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto, while running ltsp-build-clent I got this comment
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| 04:55 | Adding `diversion of /sbin/start-stop-daemon to /sbin/start-stop-daemon.real by ltsp-client'
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| 04:55 | OK
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| 04:56 | and It try to upgrade a large no. of pkg, is it bug ? or normal,
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| 06:49 | <ace_suares> daya, if you run ltsp-build-client
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| 06:49 | it makes a chrooted environenmet
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| 06:49 | and it fetches the packages from the repo's
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| 06:49 | so yes, you'll be downloading quite a time.
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| 06:50 | Check out this page: http://www.suares.an/ltsp-build-client-apt-mirror
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| 07:01 | <daya> ace_suares, I am doing it in etch,
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| 07:02 | ace_suares, But as far as remember I have not seen such error in my previous built
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| 07:05 | <ace_suares> daya: soory, i only use ubuntu/edubuntu, can't help you much more...
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| 07:06 | <daya> ace_suares, o, ok , thanks for the link and suggestion
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| 07:23 | <ari_stress> good evening all
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| 08:24 | <ace_suares> hi ari
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| 09:15 | <joebaker> !seen joebaker
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| 09:15 | <ltspbot> joebaker: joebaker was last seen in #ltsp 5 days, 22 hours, 24 minutes, and 1 second ago: <joebaker> So I could build the chroot environment on it, then maybe copy all that into /opt/ltsp/ppc/ just like /opt/ltsp/i386. Then that would work?
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| 11:20 | <cliebow> rjune_:you handy??
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| 11:52 | <rjune_> cliebow: not really, but I'm aroun
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| 11:52 | around
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| 11:53 | <cliebow> just a quickie..trying to grep for Serial Number in System_profiler and only want to get the first instance returned..any bright way top do so??
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| 11:54 | <rjune_> grep "foo" file | head -1
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| 11:54 | probably not the best way, but it should work
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| 11:54 | <cliebow> so read output to a file first?
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| 11:54 | <rjune_> no
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| 11:54 | I assumed a file.
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| 11:55 | you can do cmd | grep "foo" | head -1 too
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| 11:55 | <cliebow> give it a whirl..tanks
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| 11:55 | <rjune_> my pleasure mate
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| 11:55 | <cliebow> 8~)
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| 13:18 | <steph_> Did someone here tried *nux/ltsp/pulse on the client side? I would like to run audio apps from the server and redirect the sound to the local soundcard.
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| 13:21 | <johnny> it's suppose to do that automatically i thought
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| 13:21 | the audio will just suck
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| 13:21 | if you're doing editing and stuff
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| 13:23 | <lns> steph_, johnny, fyi audacity doesn't work via pulse
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| 13:24 | <johnny> that's a seperate issue
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| 13:24 | plus that would run horrible on the server
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| 13:24 | would totally eat up everything
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| 13:25 | that needs to run locally for sure
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| 13:25 | <steph_> I know, but I need a client/server architecture. Audio is only a small part of the project.
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| 13:26 | *thin client*
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| 13:27 | <johnny> they won't be thin if you want to run audio editing apps
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| 13:28 | lns, audacity take long enough and enough space on a amd64 with 1gb ram .. and major amounts of scratch space
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| 13:28 | * johnny doesn't even thinking gigabit networking with even just a few clients would work out well | |
| 13:28 | <johnny> think*
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| 13:29 | <steph_> Even if it's just MIDI applications?
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| 13:30 | <johnny> im no expert at that
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| 13:30 | trying asking around in linux audio forums for folks who have tried to do the same thing
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| 13:32 | <lns> steph_, are you just trying to get sound in your apps w/ltsp, or do actual sound editing?
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| 13:33 | <loather-work> MIDI is fairly lightweight, being that it's serial data
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| 13:33 | there's no actual sound data sent with the stream
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| 13:34 | <steph_> I have already sound on the client side. But when i use audio apps, the sound come from the server's speaker. :|
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| 13:34 | <loather-work> it's just commands to strike this key at this velocity, using this particular sample
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| 13:35 | <johnny> steph_, you're prolly going to have to go directly to the specific application folks and talk to them about your setup
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| 13:35 | and let them tell you how possible it is
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| 13:36 | <steph_> As an example, i would like to use a software synth who trigger with a keyboard connected on the client MPU-401 port
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| 13:36 | <lns> ah
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| 13:36 | <steph_> ok
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| 13:36 | <lns> yeah not sure about midi in ltsp..
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| 13:52 | is there a URL/howto on configuring ALSA -> PulseAudio bridge in Gutsy?
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| 13:52 | or is it the same as in Feisty (ala http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/Feisty/HOWTO:_PulseAudio )
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| 14:00 | <steph_> I'll take a look
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| 14:15 | <lns> wooooooooooooooo... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio
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| 14:15 | go figure
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| 14:21 | <steph_> wooow :0
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| 14:23 | <lns> course that doesn't say anything about getting it going via ltsp, but it's a start
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| 14:26 | there is also http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/Feisty/HOWTO:_PulseAudio
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| 14:26 | which details ltsp pulse in feisty
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| 14:30 | ogra, you around?
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| 14:31 | !last ogra
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| 14:31 | <ltspbot> lns: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; (1 more message)
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| 14:31 | <lns> uhhh...ok =p
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| 14:32 | oh yeah...
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| 14:32 | !seen ogra
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| 14:32 | <ltspbot> lns: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 5 days, 19 hours, 29 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <ogra> indeed
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| 14:32 | <lns> ooo...maybe he's taking a vacation =)
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| 14:32 | <johnny> !last --from ogra
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| 14:32 | <ltspbot> johnny: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 881 messages.
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| 14:42 | <Blinny> Hola. Anybody manage to get flash+sound working on a 64-bit server OS?
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| 14:45 | <steph_> Blinny: it might interest you http://stephen-walder.blogspot.com/2007/11/sound-flash-thin-clients.html
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| 14:50 | <lns> Blinny, I tried for ~3 months to get flash sound to work in amd64 server
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| 14:50 | <Blinny> I'm reading through old ltsp mailing list archives from before I joined (early Feisty stuff)
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| 14:50 | <lns> even compiling the revolutionlinux libflashsupport source by hand (with help of ogra to get past failed attempts) didn't work
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| 14:51 | <Blinny> steph_: That works fine for 32-bit servers
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| 14:51 | lns: *Nod*
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| 14:51 | <lns> Blinny, if i were you i would just install i386 server..i did that, installed the RL libflashsupport package and it *works*...that's enough for the crap i went through to get it working in amd64
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| 14:51 | <Blinny> This is basically The Sticking Point for me.. I'm on K12V6 right now and have (mostly) everything working. The older CUPS tends to crap out a little too often, and my testing of Gutsy has been very positive, with that exception.
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| 14:52 | lns: Running a dedicated i386 box just for serving the firefox/flash app?
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| 14:52 | <lns> Blinny, no, reformatting server and installing i386 OS
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| 14:52 | <Blinny> My sticker is the PAE/RAM issue; I have 8GB and my reading re: the overhead of PAE isn't very attractive.
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| 14:52 | heh
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| 14:52 | Unfortunately, not an option.
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| 14:52 | <lns> Blinny, what's the overhead for PAE?
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| 14:53 | <Blinny> I've read a thread (dangling, never finished) of someone using 64-bit kernel on i386 OS.
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| 14:53 | What I've seen is ~20%
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| 14:53 | (slowdown)
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| 14:53 | <lns> wow
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| 14:53 | <Blinny> er, :s;seen;read
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| 14:53 | I have _not_ tested.. the big box in question is serving a lot of users right now.
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| 14:54 | My next highest RAM'd machine is like 384MB (;
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| 14:55 | <lns> well i haven't put this one into production yet but installing the server kernel got 8gb support for me. as far as i'm concerned it's worth it for me...flash / shockwave are too important (quite unfortunately) to try and hack together a solution for amd64 (considering the other anomolies we've experienced such as cups not working with firefox, etc...mostly firefox stuff really)
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| 14:56 | i wish revolutionlinux would just compile an amd64 version of libflashsupport...but...oh man..my head starts spinning when thjnking about amd64 OS, to 32-bit flash via nspluginwrapper, vs 32-bit libflashsupport, in 64-bit browser...its a mess
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| 14:56 | <Blinny> Problems with CUPS and 64-bit FF or 32-bit FF?
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| 14:56 | <lns> 32-bit
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| 14:56 | yeah that's true actually, it was just ff32
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| 14:56 | <Blinny> One doesn't need nspluginwrapper if you have 32-bit FF
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| 14:57 | I used nspluginwrapper for awhile. It crashed. A lot.
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| 14:57 | <lns> yeah but pritning is b0rked
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| 14:57 | <Blinny> Now I'm 32-bit FF on 64-bit OS.. but FC6-based.
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| 14:59 | <Blinny> It works just well enough to get by for now.
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| 14:59 | The -server kernel is the PAE-enabled Gutsy kernel, I believe.
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| 14:59 | <lns> right
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| 14:59 | i have full 8gb after installing server kernel
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| 14:59 | (i386)
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| 15:00 | of course 20% lag with PAE...ouch
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| 15:00 | <Blinny> Do your own tests. It may be that AMD64 is markedly differently than IA_64, as each core has its own memory controller on AMD64.
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| 15:02 | For now I gotta run. Maybe Hoary will be time enough to address this. Cheers.
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| 15:07 | <dan__t> DAMNIT.
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| 15:07 | DAMNIT. DAMNIT. DAMNIT.
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| 15:07 | Ok, I'm done, sorry.
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| 15:09 | <lns> dan__t, lol
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| 15:09 | <dan__t> Having a bad day heh
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| 23:07 | <daya> vagrantc, hi
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| 23:07 | vagrantc, I have followed the 2nd portion of the wiki, in etch,
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| 23:08 | vagrantc, ne_NP.UTF-8... done
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| 23:08 | Generation complete.
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| 23:08 | Adding `diversion of /sbin/start-stop-daemon to /sbin/start-stop-daemon.real by ltsp-client'
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| 23:08 | OK
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| 23:08 | Adding `diversion of /etc/mtab to /etc/mtab.real by ltsp-client'
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| 23:09 | and then it tries to download other pkgs, is it bug?
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| 23:14 | vagrantc, are you there
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| 23:47 | * chupacabra better catch up | |