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Channel log from 27 June 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:48 | <epoxy|w3rk> i cant seem to get Firefox to load up locallly.. any suggestions or links?
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| 06:08 | <ogra> Q-FUNK, can you remind me what was the actul reason for dropping the symlink ? you didnt give any explanation in your reply
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| 06:12 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: it was discussed in a number of other bugs. it confuses X because 2 drivers claim the same chipsets.
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| 06:12 | the real driver and the one found via the symbolic link.
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| 06:13 | everyone's insistence on keeping the symbolic link is what has been messing this update pretty bad.
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| 06:13 | it was also discussed live on IRC, with bryce, slangasek and yourself being present.
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| 06:14 | by now, it reall ought to be understood.
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| 06:15 | <Q-FUNK> bryce's idea of "keeping it for LTSP" is exactly the opposite of what's needed.
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| 06:16 | keeping the symbolic link is a graranteed way to ensure that nothing will be fixed!
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| 06:19 | <ogra> can you comment on the actual SRU bug or put a pointer in to the bug that has this info ?
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| 06:24 | <Q-FUNK> done
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| 06:24 | and I really hope thagt people will listen, now. I'm getting really tired of repeating the same explanations all over again and of seeing people ignore parts of it and introduce more breakages as a result.
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| 06:24 | <ogra> thanx ...
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| 06:25 | well, you didnt give any explanation
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| 06:25 | <Q-FUNK> this issue has been discussed over several bugs and abundantly documented in changelogs.
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| 06:25 | <ogra> "NO! Deploying without removing the symbolic link is exactly what we want
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| 06:25 | to avoid. The symbolic link MUST GO." is not a really helpful coment without any pointer to the reasons ...
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| 06:26 | <Q-FUNK> it was previously discussed.
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| 06:26 | I'm not gonna repeat myself.
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| 06:26 | <ogra> right, but for the SRU only this bug counts
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| 06:26 | <Q-FUNK> and the changelogs explain why too.
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| 06:26 | <ogra> because thats the one that will show up in the changelog so users will look at it for detailed info
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| 06:27 | <Q-FUNK> right, becuase the SRU was botched the first time, as a result of people not listening to what I said.
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| 06:28 | I'm entirely in favor of documenting issues and fixes, but this whole hair splitting involved in producing an SRU is really getting on my nerves.
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| 06:28 | especially the part about people somehow deciding that it's ok to drop part of the fix, without even understanding what the issue was.
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| 06:30 | droping part of the fix is the best way to end up fixing nothing. it has to stop.
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| 06:30 | <ogra> well, then there is a communication problem here with either the explanation not being understandable fully or people being dense in nderstanding it
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| 06:30 | <Q-FUNK> people jumping from one bug to the next and not understanding why 3 packages must be changed to fix it is the real issue.
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| 06:31 | <ogra> i think we have a bit of both involved ... and the personal probs between you and steve dont really help either ....
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| 06:31 | <Q-FUNK> well, stve was quite reasonable the other night, actually
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| 06:31 | <ogra> yeah, he was
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| 06:32 | <Q-FUNK> but with so many bugs to keep track of, nobody has the time to fully digest the solution onless the fix is a 2-line diff
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| 06:32 | <ogra> but he doesnt understand X ... bryce understands X and actually understood your changes well, but doesnt take Xorg -configure into account indeed
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| 06:32 | <johnny> ogra, i'm going to finally get a chance to test your fixes tomorrow night
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| 06:32 | any good updates on that from others?
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| 06:32 | <ogra> which is iirc the reason for droppinf the link
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| 06:32 | johnny, ltsp is through, we'Re only fighting for the geode X stuff atm
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| 06:33 | <Q-FUNK> bryce understands it well, but didn't have enough time to sit down and analyze my proposed fix until now.
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| 06:33 | <johnny> well i heard others had problems with floppies not disappearing, even after the fixes
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| 06:34 | <Q-FUNK> the whole idea of SRU is nice, but only as long as people have the time to triage bugs and analyze the proposed fix. if there's too many bugs to triage or if the solution is too coomplex to grasp with something as simple as a 2-line diff, it gets skipped.
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| 06:34 | <ogra> well, the solution boils down to a 50 line change now that bryce went over it
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| 06:35 | (including the changelog entriy)
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| 06:35 | <Q-FUNK> spread over 3 source packages, which is what made it too complex to analyze within a short 2 minute reading of the issue.
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| 06:35 | <ogra> so i dont think we'll run into probs with that
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| 06:35 | <Q-FUNK> what got installed into proposed last night looks good to me
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| 06:36 | <ogra> apart from the symlink ?
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| 06:36 | <Q-FUNK> except for that incorrect nsc version for the Conflicts in geode
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| 06:36 | and the symlink, which really has to go
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| 06:38 | actually, the symbolic link is not there
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| 06:38 | <ogra> ??
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| 06:41 | * ogra goes looking at the changelog | |
| 06:41 | <ogra> * xserver-xorg-video-geode.links:
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| 06:41 | + Removed the transitional symbolic links for amd_drv.so
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| 06:41 | well, thats exactly what its supposed to do, no ?
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| 06:42 | -amd is an empty package anyway, and the chips should be catched by the pci ids now
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| 06:42 | so its all fine, no ?
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| 06:45 | <Q-FUNK> yes, it should be good
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| 06:45 | <ogra> phew, ok
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| 06:45 | <Q-FUNK> in the bug, he was talking about re-introducing the link
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| 06:46 | which is a big no-no
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| 06:46 | <ogra> but not in the changelog ... luckily
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| 08:10 | <epoxy|w3rk> i'm trying to run some local apps (especially Firefox!) and can't seem to wrap my head around it yet. I have read a few guides that require NIS+.. do i really need it?
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| 08:11 | since i have local users on the box?
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| 08:11 | <ogra> there is no working localapps implementaion for ltsp5 yet
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| 08:11 | so you have to come up with something yourself
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| 08:12 | or wait two monts :) we're planning to attach that during the hackfest next month
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| 08:12 | *attack
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| 08:12 | <epoxy|w3rk> ah.. how can i find out what version i have? the deb package is .99 .. but that is their scheming
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| 08:13 | hehe, well good :) can't wait
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| 08:13 | <ogra> .99 is really ancient ... i'D propose to use the backports (assuming you use debian there which the version indicates)
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| 08:13 | <epoxy|w3rk> that was via backports
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| 08:13 | <ogra> oh
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| 08:13 | that should be something with 5.0.xxx
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| 08:15 | <epoxy|w3rk> /exec -o dpkg -l|grep ltsp
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| 08:15 | ii ltsp-server 0.99debian11+etch1 Basic LTSP server environment
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| 08:15 | ii ltsp-server-standalone 0.99debian11+etch1 Complete LTSP server environment
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| 08:15 | <ogra> i bumped the version in ubuntu to 5.x shortly after the etch release, debian pulled that in very quickly so i would expect all backports to be a 5.x version
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| 08:15 | <ogra> apt-cache madison ltsp-server
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| 08:16 | should tell you the archive it comes from
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| 08:16 | <epoxy|w3rk> http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=ltsp&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all
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| 08:16 | * ogra cant imagine vagrant still used the .99 versions for backports | |
| 08:17 | <epoxy|w3rk> apt-cache madison ltsp-server == blank? juust run in the the shell?
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| 08:17 | <ogra> yes
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| 08:17 | it should list the urls of the archives ur system knows ltsp-server from
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| 08:18 | with the used one at the top
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| 08:18 | (so backport should be listed first)
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| 08:18 | <epoxy|w3rk> http://pastebin.com/m3ebf0923 no output
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| 08:19 | <ogra> weird
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| 08:19 | did you follow the debian docs ?
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| 08:19 | !debian
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| 08:19 | <epoxy|w3rk> yeah..it doesnt seem to be workin gon any package :)
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| 08:19 | <ltspbot> ogra: "debian" is is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
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| 08:19 | <ogra> the latter link especially
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| 08:19 | <epoxy|w3rk> yes..i have it working pretty well.
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| 08:20 | <ogra> well, then i have no idea ... i only do ubuntu and would actually expect debian to follow our versioning if they import the package from us
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| 08:20 | <epoxy|w3rk> all i have is a blank fluxbox desktop at the moment.. i boot, get off the default boot screen with GUI, login as a user i created via chroot, startx
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| 08:20 | <ogra> so best might be to wait for vagrantc and ask him what the actual version is your backport derives from
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| 08:21 | <epoxy|w3rk> what a PITA hehe
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| 08:21 | <ogra> well ...
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| 08:22 | you are doing non standard stuff there ... thats always problematic
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| 08:22 | we ususally dont have users in the client env (even root is locked) and usually all session stuff runs on the server
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| 08:22 | only through ldm
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| 08:24 | <epoxy|w3rk> ah.. i'm trying to find more documentation, but what i find isn't verbose about these things
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| 08:24 | <ogra> http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edubuntu/handbook/C/ might currently be the best resource for ltsp5
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| 08:24 | but doesnt go much under the hood
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| 08:24 | <epoxy|w3rk> pretty green ATM... only have about 6 hours exp last night
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| 08:25 | so.. it is SUPPOSED to only run X remotely? Can i still access all my devices on the client box? i need to have access to a few parallel and serial devices
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| 08:26 | on a per client basis
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| 08:26 | <ogra> wel, on boot the client pulls its root squashfs via nbd, does a unionfs mount of that and starts up ldm ... ldm acts like a graphical ssh client and does something similar to: ssh -X user@server /etc/X11/Xsession
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| 08:26 | oh, forget about the nbd/squashfs part, i think debian still uses nfs there
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| 08:27 | but beyond that its similar
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| 08:27 | <epoxy|w3rk> hm. i have /usr/opt *(ro,no_root_squash,async,no_subtree_check)
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| 08:27 | in /etc/exports ? and i have seen ndb in init
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| 08:27 | hmm.
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| 08:27 | <ogra> debian only uses the nbd swap pieces
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| 08:28 | but not root on nbd/squashfs
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| 08:32 | <epoxy|w3rk> well shit
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| 08:32 | <ogra> vagrant is your best ressource here, just wait until he's around
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| 08:34 | <epoxy|w3rk> i'm just confused about hoiw everything is SUPPOSED to work. all the guides i was reading last night said chroot and create users blah blah blah
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| 08:34 | <epoxy|w3rk> to a chrooted, created users, and added apps as usual. all seemed to be fine until i try to fun firefox
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| 08:34 | s/fun/run
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| 08:35 | <ogra> no, desktop sessions are supposed to run on the server
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| 08:35 | for localapps ymmv
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| 08:36 | <epoxy|w3rk> and that is the GUI that pops up at boot, correct? that is on the server?
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| 08:36 | or is it on the server -after- auth?
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| 08:36 | <ogra> you will somehow need to know the credentials of the user in your chroot, you ned some way to execute the app remotely from the desktop session and indeed you need the users homedir and connection to all the running backend apps
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| 08:37 | after auth
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| 08:37 | <epoxy|w3rk> ah.. that is why i started doing stuff as the user.. i couldn't figure out how to auth there and couldn't find any documentation for the life of me
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| 08:37 | <ogra> i.e. running firefox with the gnome-support packages (not sure debian has that) would require a connection to the gconf daemon running in the users session on the server
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| 08:38 | well, we will likely have a mechanism in ldm that just pulls that nfo from the server during login
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| 08:39 | then dynamically mount the homedir via sshfs
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| 08:39 | <epoxy|w3rk> for now.. would NIS+ be the route to take to add users?
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| 08:39 | (so i can login via the GUI that pops up)
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| 08:39 | <ogra> you would need a nis client inside the chroot nd a nis server on the server
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| 08:40 | <epoxy|w3rk> k
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| 08:40 | <ogra> but thats only one small piece of the puzzle
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| 08:40 | <epoxy|w3rk> ah.
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| 08:40 | <ogra> and willdefinately be different from what we'll implement
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| 08:40 | * epoxy|w3rk sighs | |
| 08:41 | <epoxy|w3rk> this is near perfect for what we need
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| 08:41 | if it would work
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| 08:41 | <ogra> well, NIS is dead since years and has massive security issues ... i doubt that what you *need* :)
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| 08:42 | <epoxy|w3rk> haha.. i'm talking about ltsp though
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| 08:42 | <ogra> ??
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| 08:42 | <epoxy|w3rk> ltsp is what i need
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| 08:42 | <ogra> ah
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| 08:44 | <epoxy|w3rk> we have a central database server with X amount of work stations that only need to run X (had it running Fluxbox) and firefox with some plugins. the browser just runs an app on a local server andinterfaces with a database server
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| 08:44 | <ogra> so a kiosk setup
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| 08:44 | <epoxy|w3rk> the workstations are the net boot... but the workstations also have a few parallel and serial devices that are connected per workstation
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| 08:45 | pretty much
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| 08:45 | <ogra> ubuntu has that as option
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| 08:45 | <epoxy|w3rk> that is 1/3 of the equation at least :)
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| 08:45 | <ogra> if you use --kiosk with ltsp-build-client it will install firefox in the chroot and runn that fullscreen with autologin
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| 08:46 | i dont think debian has ever pulled that code though ... (and it would require some changes since they dont have all the packages available we use in there)
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| 08:48 | <epoxy|w3rk> hm. maybe that is the route i need to go. we are using an old knoppix image via ltsp just fine. runs KDE and everything. not sure of the setup or how it works though
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| 08:48 | * ogra neither | |
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| 08:48 | * ogra hsnt touched knoppix since last century | |
| 08:49 | <epoxy|w3rk> the kiosk idea would be great.. another part of the equation is another setup where users have their own login with a respective home dir. we want to use these for the peple that work there and record data. give them a desktop with email, web browser, open office, and that's it
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| 08:50 | Ubuntu would be better suited for this as well?
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| 09:01 | <ogra> as good as debian i think
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| 09:02 | you need to cut down the desktop, apply locing so users dont do tasks they are not allowed to etc ... thats the same on both
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| 09:10 | <epoxy|w3rk> hm, alrighty. i guess i just need tofigure out how to get users created and logged on.. and run some apps
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| 09:10 | <chrisjrob> ogra, sorry to butt in, saw the posting about etch-backports which is indeed version 0.99 - but http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto recommends "deb http://pkg-ltsp.alioth.debian.org/debian etch-ltsp-backports main" which is version 5.1.3-1.
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| 09:11 | <ogra> right, thats why i was wondering
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| 09:16 | <epoxy|w3rk> dpkg -l|grep ltsp-server
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| 09:16 | ii ltsp-server 5.1.3-1~40.etch.0 basic LTSP server environment
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| 09:16 | ii ltsp-server-standalone 5.1.3-1~40.etch.0 complete LTSP server environment
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| 09:16 | much better
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| 09:16 | i skipped over that last night
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| 10:37 | <epoxy|w3rk> ah.. ltsp 5 is much different then the .99 i was using on debian :)
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| 10:37 | just got it up.. no X or anything though
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| 10:37 | * epoxy|w3rk reads | |
| 10:39 | <epoxy|w3rk> and i run update image, but i did not install the image in /opt/ltsp/i386 ... how can i get it to look somewhere else? man page doesnt tell
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| 10:39 | lyle:/home/lyle/Desktop# ltsp-update-image
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| 10:39 | Error: chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 doesn't exist.
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| 10:39 | would it be save to sym link it?
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| 10:43 | <alkisg> epoxy|w3rk, did you do ltsp-build-client first?
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| 10:44 | <epoxy|w3rk> yes
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| 10:44 | did the backports install off of http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto
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| 10:45 | i put the files in /usr/opt
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| 10:46 | <alkisg> So I guess you'll have to do ltsp-update-image --base /usr/opt
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| 10:47 | <epoxy|w3rk> i tried that
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| 10:47 | lyle:/etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d# ltsp-update-image --base /usr/opt/
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| 10:47 | chroot: cannot change root directory to /opt/ltsp/i386: No such file or directory
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| 10:48 | <alkisg> Well, where did ltsp-build-client put the i386 directory?
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| 10:48 | <epoxy|w3rk> is it hardcoded in ?
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| 10:48 | i put it in /usr/opt
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| 10:48 | <vagrantc> there was some hard-coding in ltsp-update-image
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| 10:49 | that ogra recently fixed
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| 10:49 | <epoxy|w3rk> ltsp-build-client --extra-mirror "http://pkg-ltsp.alioth.debian.org/debian etch-ltsp-backports main" \ --apt-key /etc/apt/trusted.gpg --base /usr/opt
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| 10:49 | <ogra> vagrantc, http://wiki.debian.org/EmdebianWorkSessionExtremadura2008 do you have plans to go there ?
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| 10:50 | <alkisg> epoxy|w3rk, a quick hack would be to edit ltsp-update-image and hardcode your new base...
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| 10:50 | <vagrantc> ogra: no plans, really. are there meetings other than emdebian?
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| 10:50 | <ogra> doesnt look like
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| 10:51 | <epoxy|w3rk> ah ok.. i thought it was a binary. i'll try that
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| 10:51 | * vagrantc felt very, very well taken care of on the last trip to extremadura | |
| 10:51 | <ogra> but since there is this big deban project i bet there will be some of the ltsp users as well
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| 10:51 | <vagrantc> ogra: extremadura is ROCKING with the LTSP
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| 10:51 | <epoxy|w3rk> ahhh... it's --basedir
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| 10:52 | shouldn't it be --base to stay constistant? :)
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| 10:52 | <alkisg> See below, at least in ubuntu hardy it's -b or --base
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| 10:52 | Just the usage is wrong
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| 10:54 | <epoxy|w3rk> ah i see now.. weird. ether way it wont take the argument for some reason. i'll throw it in the script
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| 10:54 | <alkisg> I think you have to provide /usr/opt/ltsp as a parameter, not just /usr/opt
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| 10:55 | <vagrantc> we need to do some commandline option consistancy stuff
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| 10:56 | getting some common code to handle things like "where's the LTSP chroot(s)"
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| 10:57 | <epoxy|w3rk> alkisg, hard coding it didnt spit any errors.
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| 10:59 | <alkisg> I guess it's ok then...
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| 10:59 | <ogra> vagrantc, cool
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| 11:00 | vagrantc, did they ever get the self knitted localdev stuff running ?
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| 11:00 | <vagrantc> ogra: possibly.
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| 11:00 | ogra: but not sure.
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| 11:00 | ogra: ask itais the next time they're around
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| 11:01 | <ogra> well, if we're good he can have something after the hackfest ;)
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| 11:01 | <vagrantc> indeed.
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| 11:01 | <ogra> i booked my flight btw, but havent heard back from the travel agent yet
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| 11:01 | i'll be in boston before
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| 11:06 | <Gadi> should we start working on an agenda for hackfest?
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| 11:07 | <ogra> localapps
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| 11:07 | <Gadi> ok....
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| 11:07 | <ogra> good food ...
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| 11:07 | <Gadi> :)
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| 11:07 | <ogra> beer
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| 11:07 | or wine
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| 11:07 | fun
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| 11:07 | <vagrantc> sounds pretty good.
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| 11:07 | <Gadi> I think ldm should be on the list
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| 11:08 | <vagrantc> i'm thinking we should also be exploring code cleanup as a major topic ...
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| 11:08 | <ogra> i hope to have the session handling odne before the hackfest ... and i guess warren plans to have the keyboard stuff done
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| 11:08 | <vagrantc> i.e. consistant commandline options across ltsp-* commands
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| 11:08 | <cliebow> ragnar's Scotch??
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| 11:08 | <Gadi> DEFINITELY rangar's scotch
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| 11:08 | <ogra> Gadi, what else would you want from ldm
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| 11:08 | <Gadi> :D
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| 11:08 | <ogra> !!!!
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| 11:08 | <ltspbot> ogra: Error: "!!!" is not a valid command.
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| 11:08 | <cliebow> glad i stayed out of that ;-]
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| 11:08 | <ogra> rangar's scotch !!!!
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| 11:09 | <cliebow> heheh
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| 11:09 | <ogra> yummy
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| 11:09 | vagrantc, there shouldnt be much left though
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| 11:09 | <cliebow> a little Highland Park from Orkney...but they send most of that to Taiwan
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| 11:09 | <Gadi> I think we should go over ldm from an architectural point of view again, compare it with features from other dms that are useful, make it easier to integrate simple dialogs for feedback and such
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| 11:10 | <vagrantc> i should really include ltsp-chroot in my next upload to debian.
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| 11:10 | Gadi: sounds good.
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| 11:10 | <ogra> Gadi, .dmrc would probably be a good poit
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| 11:10 | *point
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| 11:10 | * Gadi nods | |
| 11:10 | <ogra> gdm just got it again in the new reelase ... kdm has it forever ...
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| 11:10 | * cliebow ogra must be on teeny keyboard again | |
| 11:11 | <ogra> nope
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| 11:11 | <cliebow> that is my excuse
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| 11:11 | <ogra> new laptop :)
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| 11:11 | <Gadi> I often feel like when I log into ldm, I don't know what to expect... and when it fails, I don't easily know why
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| 11:11 | :)
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| 11:11 | <ogra> (is mine)
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| 11:11 | so better error messages ?
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| 11:11 | <Gadi> better dialogs
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| 11:11 | to enable better feedback
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| 11:12 | <ogra> do you know a usability expert we could invite ? ;)
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| 11:12 | <vagrantc> like a little mascot that pops up and confirms your every action!
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| 11:12 | <ogra> yay
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| 11:12 | a small NIC with hands and feet :)
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| 11:13 | <vagrantc> we need a mascot discussion at the hackfest ... sounds like ogra already has a proposal.
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| 11:13 | <ogra> lol
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| 11:14 | <Gadi> heh
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| 11:14 | I think we can pull ideas from other dms and from things like NX's login
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| 11:14 | for example, NX has a details button that displays the log
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| 11:14 | we could easily do the same with ldm.log
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| 11:15 | instead of "log into the console...."
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| 11:15 | :)
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| 11:15 | <ogra> there is that usability tester that just got jobless today
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| 11:15 | http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/archives/141821.asp
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| 11:15 | but he has not much linux experience
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| 11:16 | <Gadi> ogra: don't you have ldm users that complain?
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| 11:16 | :)
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| 11:16 | I think we have a whole community of ldm usability testers
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| 11:16 | :D
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| 11:16 | <ogra> not really, i have a bunch of whshlist bugs i could dump in
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| 11:17 | <Gadi> well, I think NX login is a good model - as they, in effect, do what ldm does
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| 11:17 | presumably, they had usability testing
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| 11:18 | * ogra wants their compression algo.... | |
| 11:18 | * ogra doesnt care about their usability :P | |
| 11:18 | <alkisg> newbie user opinion: 2-3 customizeable menu items in ldm would be very handy... either log view, rdesktop or whatever the local admin wants...
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| 11:18 | * Gadi rolls eyes at the cool reminder that he is amongst developers | |
| 11:18 | <ogra> imagine if anyone every manages to copy their compression on standard ssh
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| 11:19 | * ogra is joking indeed, lets have a deep look at all DMs | |
| 11:19 | <Gadi> their compression is X compression not packet compression
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| 11:20 | <ogra> well we have compression libs on both sides of the system ... just need to route the stream through ...
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| 11:21 | <Gadi> do they still rely on their own x server?
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| 11:21 | <ogra> worse, xlibs
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| 11:21 | <Gadi> ah
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| 11:28 | <epoxy|w3rk> ogra, very awesome project BTW... very good job
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| 11:29 | <epoxy|w3rk> .. reguardless of my lack of "getting it" :)
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| 11:29 | <laga> what? laid?
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| 11:29 | scnr ;)
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| 11:32 | * epoxy|w3rk hopes he can help out somewhere down the line | |
| 11:33 | <ogra> for sure !
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| 11:33 | :)
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| 11:35 | <epoxy|w3rk> bleh 4 cups of coffee make one feel like poo
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| 11:35 | in a jittery euphoric sort of way
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| 11:35 | <laga> that's why i don't consume caffeine anymore at all :)
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| 11:36 | * ogra usually has 4 pots of coffee over a day | |
| 11:36 | <ogra> (or more)
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| 11:36 | and i only get tired :/
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| 11:37 | <epoxy|w3rk> that's like my boss! he turns the pot off when its done and drinks it all day. he fills the filter completely up and drinks it dark with nothing in it
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| 11:37 | <ogra> yeah sugar and milk are for sissies
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| 11:37 | <laga> ogra: switch to decaf, then go for espresso
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| 11:37 | <ogra> laga, i do espresso ...
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| 11:38 | <laga> heh
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| 11:38 | <ogra> in a big bodum pot ...
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| 11:38 | <laga> i've found that sports are great for waking me up
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| 11:38 | <epoxy|w3rk> watching them or doing thjem
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| 11:38 | <ogra> uh ... moving in the morning ....
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| 11:38 | <laga> ogra: yeah, right. that's not good.
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| 11:38 | epoxy|w3rk: doing. ;)
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| 11:39 | <ogra> which reminds me on my handmower ... about time again ...
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| 11:39 | * ogra goes to mow the lawn | |
| 11:39 | <ogra> to have some movement ...
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| 11:40 | <epoxy|w3rk> ogra, didn't you say you were going to be iun boston? are you on the east coast?
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| 11:40 | <ogra> i'm in germany
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| 11:40 | <epoxy|w3rk> haha
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| 11:40 | <ogra> but have a canonical dev sprint in boston from 13th to 19th ...
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| 11:41 | and then the hackfest in portland from 24th to 28th
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| 11:41 | <epoxy|w3rk> no HOPE / DEFCON? :)
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| 11:41 | <cliebow> next month?
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| 11:41 | <ogra> yep
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| 11:41 | <cliebow> tell mark s he needs another meal at islesford dock..
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| 11:42 | * ogra is happy he got around going to shanghai from 1st to 10th ... | |
| 11:42 | <cliebow> i know his significant other was there a couple years ago..islesford that is
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| 11:43 | <ogra> cliebow, mark will be in london, we started doing sprints by tasks now, the company gets to big to do it in one place and i'm on the mobile track
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| 11:43 | <cliebow> i see
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| 11:43 | whsat is your task these days?
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| 11:43 | <ogra> (which likely means i'll be in boston more often in the future)
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| 11:44 | beyond my usual distro work, edubuntu and ltsp its now netbooks
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| 11:44 | edubuntu turned pretty much into an applist over the last two releases (since its only an addon CD now) so i dont have much work with it anymore
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| 11:45 | ltsp is maintained inside ubuntu now and can theoretically be maintained by the distro team (not that anybody would though, still my task :) )
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| 11:46 | so i'm drifting a bit into the mobile and netbook corner
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| 11:52 | <cliebow> i see..must be kind of unnerving..
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| 11:53 | <ogra> they have the cooler gadgets :)
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| 11:56 | and i'm actually happy to do new stuff from time to time, so its not that bad
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| 11:56 | <cliebow> yeah..
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| 12:05 | <chrisjrob> i guess this gets asked regularly - but is the debian etch ldm white background bug (if it is a bug) likely to be fixed?
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| 12:05 | <vagrantc> chrisjrob: nope
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| 12:06 | <chrisjrob> thanks vagrantc - at least i know!
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| 12:06 | <vagrantc> chrisjrob: unless someone comes up with a patch, or figures out what's actually broken
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| 12:06 | chrisjrob: you're away of http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto ?
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| 12:06 | chrisjrob: i keep the known issues updated there.
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| 12:06 | <chrisjrob> yes, saw that - hoped there might hav ebeen some m,ovement since!
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| 12:07 | I'll keep an eye on that page. - thanks.
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| 12:08 | <vagrantc> chrisjrob: i probably won't do any more backporting of ltsp stuff until lenny hits freeze. more important to get the future working than the past, at this point. :)
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| 12:09 | <chrisjrob> vagrantc, i can't disagree - and other than ldm - it's beautiful.
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| 12:09 | <vagrantc> chrisjrob: glad you like it. lenny will be even better :)
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| 12:10 | <chrisjrob> vagrantc: now you're just tempting me...!
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| 12:10 | <vagrantc> chrisjrob: you can even set the background image properly! :)
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| 12:21 | ogra: so, are you basically going with ltsp 5.1.10 for intrepid, or is there still room for a new version?
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| 12:21 | <vagrantc> ogra: i'll probably just use your tarball for my next upload.
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| 12:42 | <ogra> vagrantc, ??
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| 12:42 | vagrantc, intrepid is only 2 months old yet
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| 12:43 | <vagrantc> ogra: i don't really understand the ubuntu freeze cycle...
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| 12:44 | <vagrantc> ogra: at any rate, it'd be nice if we could try and release lenny and intrepid with the same ltsp upstream version :)
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| 12:47 | <ogra> for sure i'll go with whats there by feature freeze which is in several months
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| 12:47 | until then i dont really care for versions ... i just bumped it because my merge included non ubuntu changes
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| 12:48 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule
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| 12:48 | by feature freeze new upstream versions need exceptions
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| 12:49 | until then i can do what i want
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| 12:50 | thats end of august
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| 12:50 | do you have any freeze dates for lenny ?
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| 12:51 | <vagrantc> ah, you just passed the debianimportfreeze
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| 12:51 | last i heard, freeze mid-july
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| 12:53 | <ogra> hmm, if that slips as usual we could get on the same page :)
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| 12:54 | <vagrantc> i actually would like to it be after the hackfest, of course, just in case we come up with irresistably good stuff.
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| 13:02 | <ogra> indeed, i guess you can get freeze exceptions as well, no ?
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| 13:03 | <vagrantc> sure, but nice to not have to deal with the hassle
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| 13:04 | <ogra> yeah, same here, even though my release team uses to trust me and for ltsp the process is a lot easier than other packages
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| 13:32 | <epoxy|w3rk> bleh.. well that was AWESOME! dont ever rewrite you server's initrd with the one intended for a lstp one! for some reason the server can't mount itself via nfs when it boots :D
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| 13:32 | (typed it in the wrong terminal at some point i guess)
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| 13:37 | <ogra> heh
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| 13:37 | there is usually a .bak version of the initramfs in /boot
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| 13:37 | just edit the grub menu on boot and append .bak t the initramfs mane
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| 13:38 | <epoxy|w3rk> yeah that's what saved my ass
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| 13:38 | <ogra> *name
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| 13:38 | <epoxy|w3rk> i booted with debian rescue and mounted /boot
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| 13:38 | but bleh..scared the hell out of me
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| 13:38 | <ogra> you could have done it directly from grub
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| 13:38 | no rescue needed :)
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| 13:38 | <epoxy|w3rk> i didnt know there was a backup.. i was expecting to figure out the long way around things lkol
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| 13:38 | <ogra> (but indeed you have to know that in advance :) )
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| 13:38 | * epoxy|w3rk makes a sticky | |
| 13:39 | <epoxy|w3rk> i shouldn't be such a terminal whore in the first place i guess
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| 13:39 | <cliebow> ogra: any complaints of hardy locking up initializing x in hardy?didnt see much in bugs
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| 13:40 | <ogra> apart from the geode issues i havent seen any yet
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| 13:40 | and that should be fixed so far
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| 13:40 | <cliebow> epoxy|w3rk, apropriate phrase..terminal wh*re
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| 13:41 | server side..
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| 13:49 | <epoxy|w3rk> hm.. in order for me to login at the prompt that pops up, i should be able to login to a tty and ssh to a user on my server, correct?
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| 13:49 | (from a client)
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| 13:51 | <ogra> theoretically, yes
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| 13:52 | <epoxy|w3rk> hm.. i can do that, it just takes about a minute. i login to the GUI with a user's credentials that i have on the server (regular shell acount) and it leaves the "logging in" status box toa black desktop with a mouse
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| 13:52 | it might be going.. not sure. been about 4 minutes
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| 13:52 | aw.. nm. it just knocked my back to a term
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| 13:53 | <ogra> check ~/.xsession-errors of that user on the server to find out why the server cant start a desktop
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| 13:55 | <epoxy|w3rk> tailing now.. logging in but nothing so far
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| 14:00 | <epoxy|w3rk> boo.. nothing
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| 14:04 | <ogra> but you have any kind of desktop installed, right ?
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| 14:04 | something that registers in Xsession
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| 14:07 | <epoxy|w3rk> ogra, hm.. do i have a desktop installed on the server?
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| 14:08 | <ogra> indeed
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| 14:08 | <epoxy|w3rk> yes.. i'm on it right now :)
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| 14:08 | <ogra> the session runs on the server
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| 14:09 | ldm starts it after logging the user in with ssh
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| 14:09 | <epoxy|w3rk> hm.. well i have gnome (metacity) on here now.
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| 14:10 | <ogra> then you should have anything in the users ~/.xsession-errors
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| 14:10 | <dyn> anyone using LDM_DIRECTX=True and LTSP 5 hardy?
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| 14:10 | <epoxy|w3rk> ogra, yeah, weird. let me create a user and try that
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| 14:10 | <johnny> i have/had that set..
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| 14:11 | <ogra> dyn, anything wrong with it ?
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| 14:11 | <epoxy|w3rk> whoa.. it worked.
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| 14:11 | i guess it was because i was already logged into x with that use?
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| 14:11 | *user?
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| 14:11 | <johnny> yes
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| 14:11 | <ogra> likely
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| 14:12 | <dyn> ogra: yeah.. seems to kinda.. not work. heh
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| 14:12 | Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keyxrdb: Resource temporarily unavailable
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| 14:12 | xrdb: Can't open display 'localhost:12.0'
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| 14:12 | shouldn't it be trying to open ipaddr:$DISPLAY
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| 14:12 | <ogra> intresting, i havent seen that one yet
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| 14:13 | depends ...
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| 14:13 | <dyn> yeah, gutsy worked just fine
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| 14:13 | <ogra> the ssh tunel is still used for a good amount of stuff even with LDM_DIRECTX
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| 14:13 | <dyn> yeah
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| 14:14 | <ogra> but xrdb shouldnt be among them indeed
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| 14:14 | <dyn> X0d_of_N0d and I are looking into it
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| 14:14 | <ogra> you say gutsy worked fine, is that an upgrade ?
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| 14:15 | <ogra> and if so, did you rebuild the client environment for it (you should) with the new ltsp-build-client ?
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| 14:17 | <dyn> ogra: it was an upgrade
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| 14:17 | yes, we did rebuild it
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| 14:17 | <ogra> hmm, then it should work fine
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| 14:17 | <dyn> exactly heh
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| 14:17 | <ogra> which it does here
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| 14:18 | <ogra> and for many other people ...
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| 14:18 | <dyn> ok
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| 14:20 | <ogra> can you actually log in ?
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| 14:20 | <X0d_of_N0d> with ldm_directx off you can log in, with it on, you can't
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| 14:21 | <X0d_of_N0d> in the user's .xsession-errors you get Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keyxrdb: Resource temporarily unavailable
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| 14:21 | <X0d_of_N0d> xrdb: Can't open display 'localhost:12.0'
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| 14:22 | but the display shouldn't be localhost, it should be the client's ip
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| 14:22 | <ogra> right
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| 14:23 | <ogra> well, partially right as i said above
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| 14:23 | <X0d_of_N0d> oh yeah, sorry... I should have read the back log
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| 14:24 | <ogra> can you set SCREEN_02=shell and SCREEN_07=ldm in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf and check /var/log/ldm.log on tty2 ?
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| 14:24 | after a failed login attempt
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| 14:24 | <X0d_of_N0d> yeah, screen1 is already a shell
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| 14:24 | so we've been looking at the ldm.log
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| 14:25 | <ogra> never use screen_01
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| 14:25 | thats claimed by upstart, things go wonky if you steal that
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| 14:25 | <X0d_of_N0d> we didn't set it
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| 14:26 | <ogra> ??
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| 14:26 | <X0d_of_N0d> yeah, it's not set anywhere
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| 14:26 | we don't have any screens defined
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| 14:26 | <ogra> but you set a rootpw to log in ?
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| 14:26 | <X0d_of_N0d> nowhere in the lts.conf
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| 14:26 | yeah
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| 14:26 | <ogra> ah, k
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| 14:27 | well, then just check the file :)
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| 14:27 | <X0d_of_N0d> yeah, got it....
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| 14:27 | hold up
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| 14:27 | <ogra> the xauth script should drop some info in there during login
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| 14:27 | <X0d_of_N0d> should....
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| 14:27 | <ogra> well, it does for the majority of people :)
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| 14:28 | i havent seen that issue yet
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| 14:28 | <X0d_of_N0d> Executing rc files.
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| 14:28 | Beginning X session.
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| 14:28 | X session ended.
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| 14:28 | Executing rc files.
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| 14:28 | Killing X server.
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| 14:28 | Ending ssh session.
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| 14:28 | I mean, that's where the info should be, right?
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| 14:28 | <ogra> no xauth cookie handshake stuff or so ?
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| 14:28 | <X0d_of_N0d> I'm building a new client from scratch, one more time to verify...
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| 14:28 | well...
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| 14:28 | ssh_chat: got it! Sending pw
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| 14:28 | expect saw:
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| 14:28 | Warning: No xauth data; using fake authentication data for X11 forwarding.
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| 14:28 | LTSPROCKS
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| 14:29 | that's the only other place xauth is really ever mentioned
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| 14:29 | <ogra> well, thats from the first ssh connection ... thats fine with directx
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| 14:30 | the second one that actualy starts the X session comes after that and there is something not going right
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| 14:30 | <X0d_of_N0d> Killing X server.
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| 14:30 | Ending ssh session.
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| 14:30 | expect saw: $ Warning: No xauth data; using fake authentication data for X11 forwarding.
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| 14:30 | <ogra> just to make sure you are in the right client env: lsb_release -a
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| 14:30 | returns hardy i hpe
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| 14:30 | *hope
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| 14:30 | <X0d_of_N0d> hum...
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| 14:31 | Distributor ID: Ubuntu
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| 14:31 | Description: Ubuntu 8.04
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| 14:31 | Release: 8.04
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| 14:31 | Codename: hardy
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| 14:31 | <ogra> ok
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| 14:31 | <X0d_of_N0d> I'm looking at a few things...
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| 14:31 | <X0d_of_N0d> we've had some problems with things installing correctly if locales aren't set right...
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| 14:32 | <ogra> perl noise ...
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| 14:32 | <X0d_of_N0d> like Postgres won't generate a database and stuff...
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| 14:32 | mostly perl noise, but not all
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| 14:32 | I assume it's just noise here
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| 14:32 | <ogra> oh, right, postgres needs the locale for creating a proper cert
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| 14:32 | <X0d_of_N0d> but it never hurts to verify your assumptions
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| 14:33 | <ogra> (postgres will also choke on LANG=C btw)
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| 14:33 | <X0d_of_N0d> irritating
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| 14:33 | <ogra> well, its a bit picky :)
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| 14:34 | <X0d_of_N0d> yeah
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| 14:34 | <ogra> but who installs postgres in an environment without locale set :)
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| 14:34 | <X0d_of_N0d> I was doing it in a vserver, so locales kind of get a little strange
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| 14:34 | <ogra> well, even ubuntu server sets a locale during install
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| 14:35 | <X0d_of_N0d> does debootstrap?
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| 14:35 | <ogra> (i think even the kvm tools do while bootstrapping)
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| 14:35 | no
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| 14:35 | debootstrap doesnt configure anything
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| 14:35 | <X0d_of_N0d> so when creating a vserver you use debootstrap to build the initial system... gotta remember all the rest
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| 14:36 | <ogra> you need to set up the loopback device, hostname, TZ and locale manually at least
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| 14:36 | <X0d_of_N0d> yeah
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| 14:37 | <ogra> i *think* it works withut fstab ... not sure though
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| 14:37 | <X0d_of_N0d> I learned that eventually
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| 14:37 | well with a vserver you can just hop in and start working on it...
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| 14:38 | <ogra> right
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| 14:38 | <X0d_of_N0d> anyway.....totally off subject
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| 14:38 | <ogra> heh
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| 14:39 | locales shouldnt have any influence on hardys ldm anyway
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| 14:39 | <X0d_of_N0d> So I read about localdev not working with ldm_directx, that's been fixed, right?
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| 14:39 | <ogra> right
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| 14:39 | <X0d_of_N0d> right
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| 14:39 | <ogra> make sure to have hardy-updates enabled,it had a bunch of fixes for 8.04.1
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| 14:40 | <X0d_of_N0d> I always like to verify everything though, because as soon as I KNOW there's NO WAY *ANYONE* would EVER do something some way.... that's exactly the way it's done
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| 14:40 | <ogra> (should be on by default anyway though)
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| 14:44 | <ogra> it doesnt really look like ldm is picking up the LDM_DIRECTX, what else do you have in your lts.conf ?
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| 14:44 | can you paste it to the pastebot ?
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| 14:45 | <X0d_of_N0d> X_COLOR_DEPTH=16
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| 14:45 | <ogra> !pastebot
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| 14:45 | <ltspbot> ogra: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 14:45 | <X0d_of_N0d> yeah
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| 14:48 | <ltsppbot> "X0d_of_N0d" pasted "lts.conf" (21 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/2
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| 14:49 | <ogra> is the first bracket of default really missing or is that a paste error ?
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| 14:49 | <X0d_of_N0d> just a paste error
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| 14:49 | <X0d_of_N0d> it's fine
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| 14:50 | <X0d_of_N0d> ogra: you gonna be around for a while?
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| 14:50 | <ogra> XDM_SERVER isnt used ... is SERVER different from the bootserver ? else drop it ...
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| 14:51 | well, its 10pm here and its friday ....
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| 14:51 | <X0d_of_N0d> ahhh, yeah
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| 14:51 | <ogra> and i'm working since 12h ...
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| 14:51 | so probably not really much
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| 14:52 | <X0d_of_N0d> xfs_server should go off server, right?
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| 14:52 | <ogra> X_COLOR_DEPTH=16 is a default in hardy, you can drop it
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| 14:52 | <X0d_of_N0d> they're all set to the same thing
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| 14:52 | <ogra> i wouldnt use it
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| 14:52 | <X0d_of_N0d> ok
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| 14:52 | <ogra> its just a waste of bandwith, no app will actually make much use of it ... most use fontconfig server side
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| 14:53 | <ogra> its helpful for *real* x apps like xfig
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| 14:53 | <X0d_of_N0d> areally?
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| 14:53 | <ogra> well gnome firefox etc will default to use fontconfig
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| 14:53 | <X0d_of_N0d> what about systems that aren't thin clients? We want to keep all our fonts in sync across the network
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| 14:55 | <X0d_of_N0d> alright, I'm gonna read op on that
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| 14:57 | <ogra> grep XFS_SERVER /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/configure-x.sh
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| 14:57 | :)
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| 14:57 | <X0d_of_N0d> we actually have to disable that script or it breaks one of our apps
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| 14:58 | <ogra> well, but there is nothing in your lts.conf that should prevent directx from being handed over
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| 14:58 | <ogra> can you try with a lts.conf that only has the XSERVER and LDM_DIRECTX setting ?
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| 14:58 | <X0d_of_N0d> yeah, I tried to comment anything out that might possibly conflict
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| 14:59 | sure
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| 14:59 | <ogra> LOCAL_STORAGE and LOCAL_DEVICE_nn are ltsp 4.x options, not used anymore
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| 14:59 | <X0d_of_N0d> I'm still rebuilding the client, it didn't finish building earlier.....
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| 14:59 | <ogra> same for HOTPLUG
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| 15:00 | and SOUND defaults t true no point in setting it either
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| 15:00 | <X0d_of_N0d> the lts.conf says: lts_parameters.txt
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| 15:00 | err: see lts_parameters.txt for valid values
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| 15:00 | <ogra> right
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| 15:01 | <X0d_of_N0d> but I can't seem to really find that file
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| 15:01 | <ogra> its in the doc path of ltsp-client-core in the chroot
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| 15:01 | you are not the first to complain :) i just moved it to the server docs this week ...
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| 15:01 | in intrepid
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| 15:01 | <X0d_of_N0d> ahh
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| 15:02 | <ogra> locate should have found it though
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| 15:02 | <X0d_of_N0d> wtf....
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| 15:02 | hum
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| 15:02 | error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
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| 15:03 | <ogra> oh ?
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| 15:03 | at which step ?
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| 15:03 | <X0d_of_N0d> aI: Base system installed successfully.
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| 15:03 | right before it starts apt
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| 15:03 | <ogra> weird
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| 15:03 | <X0d_of_N0d> no...
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| 15:03 | right before it chroots
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| 15:03 | <ogra> got enough diskspace ?
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| 15:04 | and your network up and running
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| 15:04 | <X0d_of_N0d> tons
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| 15:04 | yeah
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| 15:05 | * ogra wonders whats going on there | |
| 15:05 | <X0d_of_N0d> yeah, it was just working
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| 15:08 | <ogra> dpkg -l ltsp-server ?
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| 15:09 | <X0d_of_N0d> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
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| 15:09 | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-f/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/t-aWait/T-pend
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| 15:09 | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
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| 15:09 | ||/ Name Version Description
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| 15:09 | +++-===============================================-===============================================-==============================================================================================================
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| 15:09 | ii ltsp-server 5.0.40~bzr20080212-0ubuntu7 Basic LTSP server environment
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| 15:09 | <ogra> yeah, thats the latest
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| 15:09 | <X0d_of_N0d> shouldn't aptitude show give that info?
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| 15:10 | <ogra> no idea, i never use aptitude
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| 15:10 | <X0d_of_N0d> I guess not all...hum
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| 15:10 | <ogra> :)
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| 15:10 | <X0d_of_N0d> heh
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| 15:11 | I'm not really an ubuntu/debian guy myself, I just use it at work... but aptitude seems like a useful tool
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| 15:11 | <vagrantc> X0d_of_N0d: meet the pastebot:
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| 15:11 | !pastebot
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| 15:11 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 15:11 | <X0d_of_N0d> well... at work and on all the people's boxes I support at home
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| 15:11 | vagrantc: yeah, sorry about that
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| 15:11 | <ogra> yeah, people seem to like it :) i think i used it twice in my life yet
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| 15:12 | <vagrantc> i've tried aptitude, but most of the features i liked in aptitude are now present in apt itself...
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| 15:12 | i used aptitude religiously for 1-2 years
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| 15:12 | and then got frustrated with it
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| 15:13 | <X0d_of_N0d> what made you frustrated?
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| 15:13 | <vagrantc> i don't even remember, really.
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| 15:13 | it doesn't really give me anything i want that i don't have with recent versions of apt
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| 15:14 | <ogra> it gives you a game to play while installing stuff ... apt cant ...
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| 15:14 | ;)
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| 15:14 | <X0d_of_N0d> I just don't like having to use apt-cache to search and apt-get to install
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| 15:15 | <vagrantc> the one feature i miss is the ability to selectively hold/upgrade/select packages on the fly
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| 15:15 | pfft.
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| 15:15 | <ogra> heh
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| 15:15 | <X0d_of_N0d> then again on gentoo I use eix to search and emerge to install...
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| 15:15 | so big deal really, huh...
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| 15:17 | I need to play with apt more I guess
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| 15:18 | <mighty-d> Hi
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| 15:18 | ogra, ping
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| 15:19 | <X0d_of_N0d> ogra: check this out...
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| 15:20 | I set my locales to "POSIX", broken... set them back and it's fine... I thought POSIX==C=="leave me alone, I don't care about localization"
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| 15:21 | <johnny> X0d_of_N0d, did you wanna test gentoo at some point? :)
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| 15:21 | <X0d_of_N0d> test?
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| 15:21 | I'm using it right now
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| 15:21 | <johnny> yeah.. gentoo ltsp5
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| 15:21 | <ogra> well, as i said before, on ubuntu i somewhat rely on the fact that your locale is set :)
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| 15:22 | <X0d_of_N0d> have for a couple years
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| 15:22 | * X0d_of_N0d sighs | |
| 15:22 | <X0d_of_N0d> johnny: probably will at some point, I did some gentoo ltsp stuff way back when 5 wasn't really out
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| 15:23 | johnny: gentoo is just a pain in the ass in the server room
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| 15:23 | <johnny> things are at least better with portage 2.2
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| 15:23 | <X0d_of_N0d> lots of really cool stuff about it, but it's way too hard to maintain
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| 15:23 | <johnny> it won't remove old libs :)
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| 15:23 | so you don't have to run revdep-rebuild
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| 15:23 | <X0d_of_N0d> ogra: oh well... it's building now so....
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| 15:24 | johnny: yeah, but unless you have a good cluster going there's just too much time involved in upgrading and what-not
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| 15:24 | johnny: if you keep on top of it it'll work really well, but the moment you let that slip it becomes a nightmare
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| 15:25 | <johnny> binary packages are about to become much easier to manage luckily
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| 15:25 | <X0d_of_N0d> johnny: we were using it in our server room for a while, but we got behind on the updates and there you go
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| 15:25 | johnny: yeah?
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| 15:25 | <johnny> yeah.. big ticket going to be closed soon, it's a gsoc project
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| 15:26 | take a look at the portage 2.2 release notes
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| 15:26 | <X0d_of_N0d> You know, I was starting to look at arch for a bit
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| 15:26 | <johnny> i read about arch, didn't find anything compelling
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| 15:26 | <X0d_of_N0d> my desktops will always be gentoo, but my laptop.....
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| 15:26 | hum, I'll look at that
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| 15:26 | <mighty-d> ogra, i followed your advice and went with hardy, but clients are too slow
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| 15:26 | <johnny> it's in ~arch now
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| 15:27 | <X0d_of_N0d> a friend of mine used arch, basically a lot of the coolness of gentoo but with bin packages
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| 15:27 | whatever...
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| 15:27 | I figure it's always good to try new things...
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| 15:28 | I tried slackware, stayed with it.. then tried gentoo, stayed with it...
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| 15:28 | tried debian... great for work, but I don't really like it for myself
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| 15:31 | ogra: you work for canonical, right?
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| 15:31 | <ogra> yep
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| 15:31 | mighty-d, what HW was that again ?
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| 15:32 | <X0d_of_N0d> you use ubuntu at home?
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| 15:32 | <ogra> i work from home, so yes :)
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| 15:32 | <X0d_of_N0d> work from home... yeah, I wish I could get my boss to ok that more than 2 or 3 times a year
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| 15:33 | ogra: you code and do tech support?
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| 15:34 | <ogra> i do the support here for fun ...
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| 15:34 | not my job
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| 15:35 | neither is ltsp anymore (officially) ... i was paid to work fulltime on ltsp for the first two years of ltsp5 existence though
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| 15:36 | <X0d_of_N0d> I've got a couple of friends on ubuntu, so I got plenty of fun outside irc
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| 15:36 | <ogra> now i'm just pad for maintaining it and do the upstream work and support on my own ...
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| 15:36 | *paid
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| 15:36 | <X0d_of_N0d> that's cool
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| 15:37 | it seems like maybe there should be more official free support for schools to impliment this...
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| 15:37 | <ogra> well, i have enough other stuff to do :) as i mentioned its my 12th work hour for today ... and i will likely work tommorw as well
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| 15:37 | <X0d_of_N0d> you know, pull a mac more-or-less... get in the schools and hope it filters out
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| 15:37 | <epoxy|w3rk> hmm..how can i change the defaul session?
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| 15:37 | <ogra> and probably sunday etc
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| 15:37 | <X0d_of_N0d> yeah
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| 15:37 | <ogra> epoxy|w3rk, update-alternatives --config x-session-manager
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| 15:39 | <X0d_of_N0d> ogra: yeah, you guys are stacked with bugs and stuff, huh?
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| 15:39 | <ogra> that as well
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| 15:39 | but i work for canonical ... we also have customers ... :)
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| 15:40 | <epoxy|w3rk> ogra, LDM_SESSION= in lts.conf work too ?
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| 15:40 | <ogra> should, yes
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| 15:40 | <X0d_of_N0d> hum....
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| 15:42 | ok, so fresh ltsp-build-client, only two things in the config are LDM_DIRECTX=true and XSERVER=intel
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| 15:42 | now it's just ignoring LDM_DIRECTX entirely
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| 15:45 | <ogra> you set it in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf right ?
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| 15:46 | <X0d_of_N0d> yes
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| 15:47 | <X0d_of_N0d> it should be in the root of your tftp dir, right?
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| 15:47 | hum...
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| 15:47 | <ogra> exactly in the location i gave above
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| 15:47 | (for a default setup at least)
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| 15:48 | <X0d_of_N0d> ok
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| 15:48 | it should be in the same place as your pxelinux.0, right?
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| 15:48 | <mighty-d> hi, im trying to set kubuntu hardy heiron to serve ltsp, so far some clients boot but very slow, and other clients wont start x
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| 15:49 | <epoxy|w3rk> i threw [default] LDM_SESSION="/usr/bin/startfluxbox" in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf .. is this not a correct method?
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| 15:51 | <ogra> epoxy|w3rk, should work if you built your chroot with the etch backports packages, the old ones dont support lts.conf via tftp
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| 15:53 | <X0d_of_N0d> ogra: ok, it's fixed
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| 15:54 | <ogra> login works ?
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| 15:54 | <X0d_of_N0d> everything works
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| 15:54 | <ogra> \o/
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| 15:54 | <X0d_of_N0d> we have an unusual configuration...
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| 15:54 | <ogra> yeah looks like
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| 15:55 | <X0d_of_N0d> we like using our tftp server for lots of stuff, so instead of using the ubuntu tftp setup we used our own...
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| 15:55 | <ogra> good to see that it also works in uncommon setups :) so we didnt fail completely
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| 15:55 | <X0d_of_N0d> to make everything work the same I symlinked to the lts.conf in ltsp/i386
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| 15:55 | yeah
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| 15:55 | should have been a hard link
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| 15:55 | <ogra> yeah
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| 15:55 | <X0d_of_N0d> well, thanx for the help
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| 15:55 | <ogra> tftp cant do symlinks
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| 15:56 | welcome, glad it works now
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| 15:56 | <warren> it can't?
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| 15:56 | symlinks within the tree are fine though
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| 15:56 | <ogra> but not across trees :)
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| 15:56 | <warren> right
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| 15:57 | <X0d_of_N0d> that's really strange... it worked under gutsy...
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| 15:57 | I wonder how that worked
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| 15:57 | whatever...
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| 15:57 | <ogra> yeah
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| 15:58 | <X0d_of_N0d> I'm gonna go get some brewing supplies now...
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| 15:58 | I've got beer to make this weekend
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| 15:58 | <ogra> mmmm, good idea
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| 15:58 | <X0d_of_N0d> bwahahah
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| 15:58 | thanx again
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| 15:58 | later
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| 15:58 | <ogra> ciao
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| 16:50 | <mighty-d> ok, its working!
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| 16:51 | it was a bad cable
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| 16:51 | i wanted to know if there is sound support to send audio on a microphone via the clients to the server
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| 23:21 | <Martin25> i All :)
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| 23:21 | hi :P
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| 23:23 | first, sorry for my english, im from argentina, we were implemented a ltsp 4 server with 9 clients at school, whit not too many problems, thin clients Pentium 2 166 MMX with 8, 16 32 and 64 mb of RAM
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| 23:25 | <Martin25> but now we trying ltsp 5, with a 500 mhz client, 32 mb of ram, and when LDM starts, its becomes very slowly, take a lot of time to give us the login prompt, however, with 64 mb everything run nice...
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| 23:25 | have ltsp 5 high requirements that ltsp 4? is the new ldm manager heavier?
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| 23:37 | <Chikubu> i can not get the ltsp-manager to start in ubunut, ive read on some bug reports that it maybe linked to the ltsp-client-setup not being ran. i do not have the ltsp client installed, when i try to install from repository it lists as broken. i thought since this pc will be the server i did not need the client, the ltsp-manger error is [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/opt/ltsp/'....if i create a folder .../opt/ltsp i get a new error TypeError: object of
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| 23:41 | maybe i dont need the stand alone? i have a dhcp server i think can support a boot
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