IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 13 January 2014 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:38 | <dunc> Anyone around? Installed LTSP on Ubuntu 12.04, precise, and now none of my clients can connect. They all drop down to initramfs. I think the problem is that they all use Realtek 8111B nics.
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| 02:47 | Followed the instructions to update / install the Realtek drivers but I still don't seem to be getting anywhere.
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| 02:59 | hello?
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| 03:31 | <dunc> anyone know anything about using Realtek 8111B nics with LTSP on Ubuntu 12.04?
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| 03:35 | <roottoo> my screen is green
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| 03:35 | ldm screen
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| 03:35 | KDE screen
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| 03:35 | I treid several resolutions, no win
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| 03:36 | green with differetnt shade of green alfabet
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| 03:40 | <Ark74> dunc, not at all sorry
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| 03:40 | dunc, what the problem with those?
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| 03:42 | *what's
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| 03:48 | <dunc> ark74, they do not appear to be able to boot LTSP with Ubuntu 12.
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| 03:49 | <roottoo> I have
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| 03:49 | [00:22:64:28:BA:38]
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| 03:49 | ####via1000 Gigabit HP5630 HP Thin Client
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| 03:49 | HOSTNAME=via1000
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| 03:49 | #LDM_USERNAME=user01
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| 03:49 | #LDM_PASSWORD=pass01
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| 03:49 | LDM_SESSION=fluxbox
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| 03:49 | X_MODE_0=1920x1080
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| 03:49 | X_COLOR_DEPTH=32
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| 03:50 | in ltsp.conf
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| 03:50 | lts.conf sorry
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| 03:51 | it starts with KDE , no fluxbox
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| 03:51 | <dunc> roottoo, does the HP5630 use the Realtek 8111B chip, and are you running Ubuntu 12?
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| 03:52 | <roottoo> no I am running Debian Sid
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| 03:52 | the chip I do not know
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| 03:52 | how to find out?
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| 04:18 | <metaf5> Hi guys, I hardly ever use IRC, so forgive me if I break any etiquette. I'm working on a project (the originator of which has since quit), which uses ltsp to serve up some nice thick clients for administering exams to people. The guy before me has a button that runs pkill -u $username so that frozen users could log back in. However, in testing this, when they log back in, they don't seem to be in their chroot any more, and they don'
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| 04:19 | "sshd: $username@internal-sftp", which they had during the original login.
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| 04:20 | Does anyone have any suggestions about where I should look to find out what's not playing nice?
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| 04:21 | <ncom0pl> dunc: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/951526
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| 04:22 | Try removing "quest splash" as alkisg advices to see if there are any errors before it drops to busybox, then google it.
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| 04:26 | I've had my HP T5520 thin client drop to busybox shell and IIRC it was related to the LTSP image I used being PAE, while the VIA chip onboard does not support PAE.
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| 04:32 | If that's the case with your problem, then here's a solution that worked for me: http://bit.ly/ltsp-nonpae
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| 06:28 | <alkisg> metaf5: which distro/version?
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| 06:29 | There was an issue with the home dirs a while back, if the user processes weren't stopped properly on logout, home dir unmounting didn't work correctly, so on the next login it couldn't be mounted at all
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| 15:01 | <epoptes_user6> hi
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| 15:06 | <JustSomeGuy> hi im using ubuntu 12.04 with ltsp and am trying to use pam_mkhomedir.so to populate a new home folder with /etc/skel. i added the following to '/etc/pam.d/common-session' 'session required pam_mkhomedir.so skel=/etc/skel/ umask=0022' but when i login with lightdm the folder will be created but no files will be copied from /etc/skel when i login via ssh or tty it works fine.
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| 15:07 | <JustSomeGuy> do i have to change some other file so lightdm will execute mkhomedir? as i see it /etc/pam.d/lightdm is importing common-session so it should work
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| 15:18 | <||cw> JustSomeGuy: this is on thin clients or thick clients or on the server itself?
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| 15:29 | <JustSomeGuy> ||cw, thick clients
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| 15:30 | <alkisg> Where is that new home folder? On the server or on the client itself?
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| 15:39 | <JustSomeGuy> argh
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| 15:39 | its on an nfs mount
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| 15:40 | which is mounted in if-up.d
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| 15:40 | <JustSomeGuy> it all workes when i login with the tty
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| 16:53 | <ncom0pl> So yeah, I just spent an hour trying to find out why the hell does my thin client won't netboot...
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| 16:54 | And looked virtually everywhere in the system, services, configuration...
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| 16:55 | And then I remembered I've unplugged the network cable some time ago...
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| 16:55 | Way to go :D...
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| 17:12 | <lns> ncom0pl, minor detail ;)
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| 17:22 | <ncom0pl> lns: You've had some issues with video drivers on a thin client, right?
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| 17:22 | <ncom0pl> I'm testing older ubuntu releases with my HP T5520's VIA chip right now.
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| 17:24 | With ubuntu 12.04 it would just hang after a while in the graphics mode, while in text mode it was running just fine.
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| 17:24 | I googled it and ubuntu 7.04 was said to be the last release that worked without any problems.
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| 17:25 | Tried that and it didn't hang, but there were some nasty graphics glitches.
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| 17:27 | Now I'm on 8.04(as alkisg suggested before), and I'm crossing fingers, 'cause it didn't hang so far, nor were there any glitches.
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| 18:17 | <alkisg> highvoltage: there's a person trying to sign up to the gnome-flashback mailing list, but his mail is banned: lbsolost at yahoo.com
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| 18:17 | Can you manually add him to the list?
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| 18:18 | gnome-flashback-list Subscription results The email address you supplied is banned from this mailing list. If you think this restriction is erroneous, please contact the list owners at gnome-flashback-list-owner@gnome.org.
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| 18:19 | > I have attempted to contact the mailing list admin, Jonathan Carter, but I've received no response and looking at the mailing list archives it appears he's been inactive since September.
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| 18:19 | > Could you possibly raise that issue on the mailing list? An inactive mailing list administrator is a pretty serious "bug".
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| 18:21 | <highvoltage> alkisg: weird, I don't know of bad admins and I didn't get a mail
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| 18:21 | checking mailman...
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| 18:22 | <highvoltage> I see 3 of his messages in the moderation queue
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| 18:22 | but his neither a member or banned
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| 18:23 | <alkisg> highvoltage: I forwarded you the message he sent me
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| 18:23 | <highvoltage> he just needs to actually sign up for the list on https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-flashback-list
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| 18:23 | <alkisg> highvoltage: try it
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| 18:23 | It says "banned mail"
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| 18:24 | (08:18:23 μμ) alkisg: gnome-flashback-list Subscription results The email address you supplied is banned from this mailing list. If you think this restriction is erroneous, please contact the list owners at gnome-flashback-list-owner@gnome.org.
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| 18:26 | <highvoltage> alkisg: I didn't get the forwarded message either
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| 18:27 | alkisg: I can't find a ban for that on that list, so it might be a global ban on the lists on gnome.org
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| 18:27 | <alkisg> A ban for yahoo.com? It sounds extreme...
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| 18:28 | <||cw> seems legit
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| 18:29 | if yahoo would get their act together and make even a half-assed effort at battling spammers and scammers I'd feel differently
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| 19:29 | <other_other_joe> anyone happen to know what magic I need to do to get a virtualbox fat client to boot?
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| 19:29 | running debian
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| 19:29 | <other_other_joe> chokes on X
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| 19:51 | <alkisg> !kvm
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| 19:51 | <ltsp> kvm: Virtual thin client: kvm -vga vmware -ctrl-grab -kernel /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/vmlinuz -append "append ro initrd=initrd.img init=/sbin/init-ltsp root=/dev/nbd0 ip=:10.160.67.10::" -initrd /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/initrd.img -no-shutdown
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| 19:52 | <alkisg> A vbox fat client shouldn't need anything special...
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| 19:52 | It should work out of the box like the kvm one
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| 19:54 | <lns> ncom0pl, I haven't dealt with Ubuntu LTSP since ~10.04 so I can't really help ya there. I recently worked around an openchrome video issue on Debian LTSP by setting X_COLOR_DEPTH=24 (instead of 16 by default), though.
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| 19:56 | <ncom0pl> lns: 8.04 seems to work fine anyway :).
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| 19:57 | <lns> ncom0pl, is 8.04 still supported?
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| 19:57 | <ncom0pl> I wish :D.
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| 19:58 | <lns> 8.04 IIRC was when Ubuntu was really putting a lot of effort into integrating LTSP. After that, it kinda fell to the community to take care of most of the issues that cropped up due to other OS changes throughout the later releases
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| 20:00 | <ncom0pl> That might explain why it works on 8.04, however I thinkthe problem I'm facing was more of a graphics card and a driver issue.
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| 20:01 | <alkisg> The big issue with graphics drivers was the switch to KMS
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| 20:01 | <ncom0pl> I'm trying out 10.04 now, at least I can still "apt-get update" wihout getting 404 errors on that.
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| 20:01 | <alkisg> There, all the not-well-maintained drivers broke badly
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| 20:01 | That started happenning around 9.10
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| 20:02 | <ncom0pl> But yet I'm facing another problem there with 10.04.
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| 20:02 | I get to the ldm, enter login information.
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| 20:02 | <alkisg> The errors are due to mirrors, you need to find the archive.ubuntu.com mirror I was telling you to google...
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| 20:02 | <ncom0pl> Yeah, I have to google some more couse the ones I've found didn't work either.
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| 20:04 | Anyways on 10.04 I get to the ldm and enter login info, then it verifies, it starts the session, I can hear the ubuntu logon sound, and in the middle of the sound it just breaks, and then get's back to the ldm screen.
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| 20:04 | Any way I could troubleshoot this?
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| 20:04 | Access some kind of logs maybe?
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| 20:05 | <alkisg> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/
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| 20:05 | From 4.10 and on...
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| 20:06 | Check /home/username/.xsession-errors
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| 20:06 | <lifeboy> Hi people!
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| 20:06 | <alkisg> Hello
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| 20:09 | <lifeboy> Is it possible to have a chroot on one server and then copy that chroot to another server (using tar keeping permissions intact) and boot the exact same hardware thin clients and the first server's clients all boot and autoconfigure X correctly, but the second server's client boot, but are not able to configure their X server?
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| 20:09 | <ncom0pl> But the old-releases site provides the old release CD images...or is it an apt mirror too?
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| 20:10 | <alkisg> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/
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| 20:10 | <lifeboy> In other words, does a chroot get anything from a server during the startup process more than the chroot image that could make the chroot work different from one server to another?
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| 20:11 | <ncom0pl> Ah, there it is...sorry and thanks alkisg.
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| 20:12 | <alkisg> lifeboy: it's possible if you don't copy it right, e.g. if you don't specify --numeric-ids
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| 20:16 | <lifeboy> Hmmm... but you seem to say that it could only be because I possibly made a bad copy. The chroot image boots on it's own and doesn't read anything pertaining to X from the server, right?
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| 20:16 | sorry, Alkisg, that was in reply to your comment
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| 20:17 | <alkisg> lifeboy: it does read stuff from the server. The X client.
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| 20:17 | So if you e.g. have nvidia drivers installed on the server, you might even see the client screen upside down and mirrored :)
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| 20:18 | <lifeboy> So the display driver that may be installed in the chroot are not relevant then?
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| 20:18 | s/driver/drivers/
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| 20:18 | <alkisg> Sure, that's the X serfver
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| 20:18 | *server
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| 20:19 | Both the X server and the X client are relevant
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| 20:20 | <lifeboy> I made a fresh copy of the chroot on the server where it's working today and copied it to the server where it's not working, and I still get exactly the same error display (a whole screen full of little coloured blocks) regardless of the monitor I have attached
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| 20:21 | <alkisg> Before login, or after?
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| 20:22 | <lifeboy> Before login, as soon as the boot process switched to the GUI
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| 20:22 | *switches
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| 20:22 | <alkisg> Then it's not server-related, since there are no remove X clients yet
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| 20:22 | It's a bad copy
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| 20:22 | Compare ls -lha /opt/ltsp/i386/dev
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| 20:23 | From the 2 chroots, are they the same?
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| 20:23 | <lifeboy> Let me see...
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| 20:24 | <alkisg> (assuming we're talking about the same client hardware, i.e. that it's not a broken driver for that other client...)
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| 20:25 | <lifeboy> Ok, you're quite right, the rights differ. On the one that's not working, they're all owned by root
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| 20:25 | No, all the same identical hardware
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| 20:25 | <alkisg> Google for tar / numeric-ids
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| 20:26 | Or just transfer the i386.img image
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| 20:26 | <lifeboy> Ok, will do. But transfering the i386.image will not allow me to make future changes without recopying from the other server
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| 20:26 | <alkisg> You can decompress it, but ok, do it as you say.
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| 20:27 | <lifeboy> If I only tar the /opt/ltsp/i386/dev correctly?
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| 20:27 | <alkisg> It's not the only thing that needs a correct owner :)
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| 20:27 | <lifeboy> Ok, lemme not take chances then :-)
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| 20:28 | <lifeboy> I'll google tar / numeric-ids first
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| 21:07 | <gothaggis|work> hello, have a strange problem. We have a webapp that thin clients connect to where users set appointments. one user was reporting appointments were 20 minutes off. ltsp server time is the correct time. going into bios of the thin client, it seemed that the time was 5 hours ahead...but minutes were correct.
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| 21:09 | setting the time in bios seems to ahve corrected the issue for now...but it seems that firefox was somehow getting the bios time (maybe) instead of the server time...is there anyway to make sure the thin cilents have the correct time in bios...i guess i'm slightly confused because they all get the correct time from the timeserver that is listed in lts.conf.
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| 21:10 | <gothaggis|work> trying to troubleshoot how this one thin client could have the wrong time...like perhaps the cmos battery is dying and slightly behind..and somehow firefox is pulling that time instead of what gets set with ntpdate or whatever
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| 21:10 | <slackish> the clients are running ntp?
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| 21:11 | <gothaggis|work> ahh maybe the clients themselves aren't running ntp
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| 21:12 | <slackish> if you can get root on the clients, run: ntpq -p
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| 21:15 | <gothaggis|work> can get root, but ntpd isn't there..these are 10.04 clients
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| 21:15 | err
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| 21:15 | ntpq
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| 21:16 | <slackish> ok, so they dont have the ntp package installed
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| 21:17 | <gothaggis|work> so perhaps I should follow this guide? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/InstallNTPServer
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| 21:18 | seems that is for an older version
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| 21:18 | <slackish> reading howto...
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| 21:22 | <alkisg> gothaggis|work: check your timezone in the chroot
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| 21:22 | And UTC: $ grep ^UTC /etc/default/rcS /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/default/rcS
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| 21:23 | <slackish> my understanding is that would just run ntpdate at boot, which wouldn't be good for long running machines where the clock could drift. I could be entirely off though
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| 21:23 | <alkisg> $ cat /etc/timezone /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/timezone
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| 21:23 | <gothaggis|work> timezone is fine..this is just affecting one user...and by 20 minutes. So since it was 20 minutes, perhaps the issue was the machine hadn't been rebooted in quite awhile and the clock did drift.
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| 21:24 | <slackish> why not just run ntpd, and change the servers to ones on your local network?
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| 21:49 | <other_other_joe> I run ntpd locally on my fat clients in case of drift
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