IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 6 January 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 09:36 | <rafiks> hello!
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| 09:37 | do i need to have a different user in LTSP chroot environment from the one i have in my distro...
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| 09:38 | i mean is it possible to have my regular /home be available to my thin client?
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| 09:42 | <vykarian> rafiks yeah
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| 09:42 | u should, at server, export that via NFS
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| 09:42 | and mount at bootup with the -t nolock
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| 09:42 | like
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| 09:42 | sorry
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| 09:42 | -o nolock
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| 09:42 | kinda
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| 09:43 | <rafiks> ahh ok ..
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| 09:43 | why does LTsp have to be on a chroot?
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| 09:44 | <vykarian> mount -t nfs -o nolock 10.1.1.1:/home/USER /directory
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| 09:44 | <rafiks> can I have a thin client boot out of my host distro like debian,directly?
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| 09:44 | <vykarian> i should create the directory first, too
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| 09:44 | well
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| 09:45 | do u need to access local devices?
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| 09:45 | <rafiks> not really
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| 09:45 | <vykarian> i guess that one good solution for u, in first sign
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| 09:45 | would be enable SHELL_01 = telnet or kinda
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| 09:46 | <rafiks> k ..
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| 10:07 | <efra> Morning everybody
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| 10:49 | <SAH> HELOO can you help me ref ltsp?
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| 10:50 | my problem how to connect windowsxp used ltsp server?
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| 10:50 | plsss
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| 10:54 | <cliebow_> ?
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| 10:56 | <SAH> heloo are you they?
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| 10:56 | cliebow?
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| 10:56 | can you help me?
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| 10:56 | <cliebow_> what are you trying to do?
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| 10:57 | <SAH> emm i have server ltsp i need to conect my windows xp? can you show me how?
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| 10:58 | <cliebow_> how about nx?
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| 10:58 | <SAH> ping its ok the have the reply..but for internet its blank
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| 10:59 | so what should i do?
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| 11:00 | * vagrantc does the ltspfs accepted into debian dance | |
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| 11:05 | <cliebow_> WOOT!!
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| 11:06 | hmm
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| 18:03 | <rjune> hey cle
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| 18:03 | hey cliebow_
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| 18:05 | <cliebow_> rjune:!!!!!
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| 18:06 | you understand the firection of sound for ltsp?
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| 18:06 | <rjune> I gotta get a server, any suggestions? VM server for mostly file/print type servies
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| 18:06 | I don't know the direction of sound currently
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| 18:06 | <cliebow_> vm server?//
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| 18:07 | vmware?
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| 18:07 | are you thinking 64 bit? i wonder if it is worth the aggravation sopmetimes
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| 18:07 | <rjune> yes and yes
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| 18:07 | though I may use Xen too, depends
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| 18:07 | I'm gonna replace three or four systems with the oen
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| 18:07 | one
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| 18:08 | <cliebow_> i can look at school..i get opteron/xeon etc confused..J45p3r builds all ours..wanna ask him?
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| 18:09 | i can catch him on aim and have him look you up..
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| 18:09 | <rjune> yea
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| 18:10 | <cliebow_> jasper0010 if you wanna hit him up directly with gaim
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| 18:10 | isd like to listen.
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| 18:10 | <rjune> he online now?
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| 18:11 | <cliebow_> he says he iuis a way..but usually comes on if he is not snowmobiling..which i KNOW he isnt
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| 18:11 | it being 52 degrees here
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| 18:11 | <rjune> heh
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| 18:13 | <J45p3r> hi
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| 18:13 | <cliebow_> rjune:
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| 18:13 | <J45p3r> snowmobiles will run on grass
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| 18:14 | <cliebow_> hah!!\
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| 18:14 | rjune here is your chance to ask about servers
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| 18:15 | <J45p3r> I've used Dells for the last few servers we bought, generally we can catch a good deal with them
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| 18:15 | <cliebow> opteron? xeon?
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| 18:15 | <J45p3r> xeon
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| 18:15 | <cliebow> eagle2 is xeon? like twin 1.8
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| 18:15 | <rjune> cliebow_: indeed
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| 18:16 | <J45p3r> eagle2 is opteron
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| 18:16 | <cliebow> J45p3r:would you go 64 bit?
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| 18:16 | <J45p3r> I custom built that one with a Tyan mobo and dual Opterons
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| 18:16 | <rjune> J45p3r: you able to read postscript?
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| 18:16 | <J45p3r> now a days it's all 64 bit any hoo
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| 18:17 | <cliebow> doesnt seem to phase ubuntu..like it did rhel4
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| 18:17 | <J45p3r> no
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| 18:17 | you don't *have* to run the 64 bit OS
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| 18:17 | like we did on e2
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| 18:17 | <cliebow> the u92 servers only see one cpu til you add a new kernel
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| 18:18 | rjune: read postscript?
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| 18:19 | <cliebow_> i thought i was still here
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| 18:19 | oh
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| 18:20 | rjune: so go double xeon...
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| 18:20 | <rjune> http://home.bravegnuworld.com/~rjune/VM-dell_poweredge_rack.pdf
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| 18:20 | that's one I was looking at
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| 18:20 | <J45p3r> do you need 1U?
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| 18:21 | <rjune> no, but the price differential between it and the twoer was something like 50
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| 18:22 | <cliebow_> we have a sale on gig cards for iu 8~)
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| 18:23 | <rjune> slightly used, eh?
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| 18:23 | <J45p3r> ok, fair enough, for only a $50 difference get teh rack
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| 18:23 | no, more like purchasing error
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| 18:24 | <rjune> yeah, I have a rack already
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| 18:24 | <cliebow_> just yanking your chains 8~)
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| 18:24 | <rjune> J45p3r: oh, so they fell off the truck?
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| 18:25 | <J45p3r> no, they are designed for a 1/2U server, I didn't catch that they had the short bracket
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| 18:25 | <cliebow_> the boss seriuosly considered bending the tabs up so a gig card with short tang would go in a standard box..i told him we were low on ducttape
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| 18:26 | <J45p3r> i can't see anything wrong with that server as configured
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| 18:26 | lots of RAM is most important doing what you want to do
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| 18:27 | <cliebow_> i'd prefer a beowulf cluster of nubus macs ..if one goes you just shove another one in
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| 18:27 | sort of like google
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| 18:28 | rjune: this is for school?
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| 18:29 | <rjune> J45p3r: I know that bit, I've just not bought hardware recently and I'm not up on what's the best value, etc. I hadn't heard of SAS and everything's got that as an option, then there's all the new Xeon and Opteron stuff
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| 18:29 | though I wish I could justify a Tyan Typhoon, that thing is just badass
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| 18:30 | <J45p3r> when I'm custom building I always use Tyan
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| 18:30 | <rjune> they've got a reputation for being high quality
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| 18:31 | <J45p3r> I don't think I'd go AMD again, its a good platform, but "no one ever got fired for buying Intel"
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| 18:31 | <rjune> meh
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| 18:31 | you have problems with it?
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| 18:31 | <J45p3r> no, not really
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| 18:31 | we should have installed the 32-bit OS at the time though
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| 18:32 | which isn't AMDs fault
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| 18:32 | <rjune> VMware run on 64bit?
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| 18:32 | <J45p3r> not sure
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| 18:32 | <cliebow_> J45p3r:Eagle2 kicks ass..i shouldnt complain
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| 18:33 | <J45p3r> we had more issues with the "little things" that weren't ready for 64-bit, or were just getting to 64-bit
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| 18:33 | <rjune> so you got more hardware then you could handle?
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| 18:33 | :-D
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| 18:34 | <J45p3r> no such thing... I'm the Tim the Toolman Taylor of computer hardware
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| 18:34 | <cliebow_> Amen!!
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| 18:35 | <rjune> LOL
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| 18:35 | you know what's scary?
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| 18:35 | <cliebow_> J45p3r always comes up with the right answer..or at least the right question
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| 18:36 | <rjune> Dual 3.0Ghz P4 w/ 3GB RAM was purchased for a webserver
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| 18:36 | <cliebow_> heh..my wife and i are doing his and her laptops
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| 18:36 | is that a bad thing?
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| 18:36 | seems overekill
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| 18:36 | <rjune> for my school? yes
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| 18:37 | I'm thinking it may be my new VM server
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| 18:37 | <cliebow_> how many students
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| 18:37 | <rjune> 1200 total
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| 18:37 | <cliebow_> that could be dual or triple function
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| 18:37 | <rjune> it was purchased for that. I co-opted the thing ahile ago and decided it was going to be my update server
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| 18:38 | Looking at my hardware req spreadsheet though, it's just about right for my planned VM server
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| 18:40 | <cliebow_> i'd be tempted to prempt it..put the webserver on a desktop if necessary
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| 18:42 | <rjune> I did that long ago
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| 18:42 | :-D
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| 18:42 | <rjune> The board president wasn't overjoyed that I did it.
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| 18:42 | but he didn't say anything much.
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| 18:42 | <J45p3r> a SAS controller can run either a SAS or SATA drive, but a SATA controller cannot run a SAS drive
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| 18:42 | <rjune> just wanted me to state I was comfortable with it.
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| 18:43 | <cliebow_> fear uncertainty
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| 18:43 | <J45p3r> I had to look that up since I haven't used sas yet
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| 18:43 | <rjune> What do you guys use for switches? I've got some unmanaged ones and I'm looking to get some managed switches.
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| 18:43 | <cliebow_> guess i havnt either
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| 18:43 | an old intel 550t
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| 18:44 | and a fancy-schmancy one Jason bought 8`)
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| 18:44 | <J45p3r> unfortunately we are still running unmanaged 24 +2 10/100 switches (Amer)
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| 18:44 | <cliebow_> 10/100 with 2 gig poerts
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| 18:45 | <rjune> The Amer stuff been good for you?
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| 18:45 | I was thinking about giving it a go
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| 18:45 | <J45p3r> right, we have the Intel as the "hub" of our fiber network
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| 18:45 | yes, amer has been super, haven't had any failures of the 24 porters
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| 18:45 | <cliebow_> amer has been a littly pricey..but real solid
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| 18:46 | <rjune> pricey? I thought they were cheaper then most other switches
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| 18:46 | <J45p3r> yea, we get decent pricing, they usually do buy 10, get 10 free on their 5 and 8 port switches
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| 18:47 | <cliebow_> their 100m ehthernet cards are 10 bucks...insttead of five bucks on ebay..but my last batch were duds
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| 18:47 | <rjune> I'm thinking I may look at apple for the server
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| 18:47 | that'd throw everybody for a loop
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| 18:48 | <J45p3r> xserve or a Mac Pro?
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| 18:49 | <cliebow_> apples are built like a brick outhouse..i must admit
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| 18:49 | <rjune> xserve
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| 18:49 | get pricing on a pro too, but I suspect it won't be what I want
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| 18:49 | and it may be too much of a pita to run SLES on it
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| 18:50 | <J45p3r> i'll be more than the Dell $ wise, but you get the ultimate in OS options
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| 18:50 | <cliebow_> i'm going on standby...
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| 18:50 | rjune: you like suse huh?
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| 18:50 | <rjune> for a server? oh yeah
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| 18:51 | <cliebow_> it just never did anything for me..
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| 18:51 | <rjune> I've been pretty happy with my netware and OES/Linux boxes
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| 18:51 | You using Ubuntu for all your servers?
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| 18:52 | <cliebow_> im moving to ubuntu all the time from rhel4
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| 18:52 | <rjune> RHEL4 doesn't currently do what Novell does with OES/Linux
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| 18:52 | specificly it's more Zenworks then it is Linux
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| 18:52 | <cliebow_> it is pretty antiquated now..
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| 18:53 | <rjune> ZEN is completely badass
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| 18:53 | <cliebow_> i gues i should try it...
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| 18:54 | <rjune> when we've both got some free time, I'll walk you through some of the stuff you can do
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| 18:54 | <cliebow_> rjune: that would be great..real great..you have nx running on it?
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| 18:54 | <rjune> no, Just VNC and iManager
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| 18:55 | <cliebow_> nxserver is very cool..and in ubntu is an absolute snap to set up]\
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| 18:55 | <rjune> I have ~330 machines in my network, I'm getting ready to migrate print services from one machine to another.
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| 18:56 | it should take me about an hours to actually move all machines to use the new print server.
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| 18:56 | <cliebow_> print services in zen?
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| 18:56 | <rjune> s/hours/hour
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| 18:56 | ZEN is a management tool
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| 18:56 | iPrint provides print services. I'm moving from one system to another.
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| 18:57 | then in Zen, I just set, this machine to use that printer, etc.
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| 18:57 | and when users login, it installs the new printers.
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| 18:59 | took me half an hour to install frontpage on a lab of 30 computers
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| 19:00 | <mistik1> !info Zen
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| 19:00 | <ltspbot> mistik1: Error: No factoid matches that key.
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| 19:00 | <rjune> mistik1: google it
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| 19:00 | They're just now getting it into linux, mostly it's for windows. but god, without it I would go crazy
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| 19:00 | <mistik1> is it payware?
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| 19:01 | <rjune> yeah, there needs to be an OSS clone
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| 19:01 | it just has so much integraged into it though
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| 19:01 | <mistik1> The name sound familiar, like something i've checked out before
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| 19:01 | <cliebow_> i'm trying to learn fiirstclass scripting..also proprietary..it is a real pain..cant google for much of anything
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| 19:02 | <mistik1> then dont use it
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| 19:02 | hack in perl
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| 19:02 | or ruby
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| 19:02 | <rjune> think ghost + application management + inventory + printer management + GPO management
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| 19:02 | <cliebow_> the superintendent is set on it
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| 19:03 | <mistik1> then he is a phool
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| 19:03 | <rjune> cliebow_: what does he want to use it for?
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| 19:03 | <cliebow_> therer are scadfs of them in Miane
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| 19:03 | <mistik1> propriety scripting is nonsense imo
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| 19:03 | <rjune> and why is he worried about what tools you use? isn't that the tech director's job?
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| 19:03 | <cliebow_> tracking stuff like bus requests..vacation time
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| 19:04 | the tracking part could be useful..workflow
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| 19:04 | <rjune> yeah.
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| 19:05 | <cliebow_> there are loots of little workspace type things for budget..for different classes..
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| 19:05 | it is all about saring work
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| 19:05 | <mistik1> they need TSIWare (shameless plug)
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| 19:05 | <cliebow_> sharing
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| 19:05 | elaborate..
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| 19:05 | <mistik1> www.tsiware.com
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| 19:06 | ccherrett's product
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| 19:06 | <cliebow_> kj..i will look er ujp
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| 19:06 | <mistik1> ping him when he's online he could prolly give you even more info than the website
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| 19:08 | <cliebow_> mistik1: you involved?
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| 19:08 | <mistik1> nope
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| 19:09 | <J45p3r> firstclass is more than scripting, its a Collaboration Suite
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| 19:10 | email / workspaces / forums / etc
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| 19:11 | <neuralis> commonly used for classes etc at colleges
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| 19:11 | <rjune> cliebow_: you guys played with virtualization yet?
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| 19:11 | <neuralis> i know wellesley uses it for pretty much everything, very popular there
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| 19:12 | <mistik1> cliebow_: As far as I know about it its geared for school system
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| 19:15 | <rjune> anybody know of a simple webbased ledger system off hand?
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| 20:38 | <jammcq> hello all
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| 20:39 | <vagrantc> heya!
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| 20:39 | jammcq: did you see the "ltspfs in debian dance" earlier?
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| 20:39 | <jammcq> umm, earlier ?
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| 20:39 | <vagrantc> earlier today
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| 20:39 | <jammcq> I just got home
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| 20:40 | haven't been online since last night
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| 20:40 | <vagrantc> it actually hit the archives. it's in unstable.
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| 20:40 | <jammcq> so, there was some dance ?
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| 20:40 | someone getting "Jiggy" ?
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| 20:40 | * vagrantc refuses to comment | |
| 20:40 | <vagrantc> but http://packages.qa.debian.org/ltspfs actually has something :)
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| 20:40 | <jammcq> awe cool
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| 20:44 | <vagrantc> so, hopefully we'll have an etch backport available by the time etch releases. :)
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| 20:45 | <jammcq> when is that supposed to happen?
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| 20:45 | <vagrantc> when it's ready!
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| 20:45 | <jammcq> when the developers stop fighting about a couple guys getting paid?
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| 20:45 | <vagrantc> i just filed a couple new RC (release-critical) bugs in the past few days
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| 22:47 | <ccherrett> hey mistik1
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| 22:47 | I saw my name :)
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| 23:08 | <dougb> if you install LTSP on a 64-bit processor, can a 32-bit thin client still load?
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| 23:10 | nevermind, i found the answer
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| 23:11 | <vagrantc> the answer, for anyone wondering, is yes.
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