IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 24 September 2013 (all times are UTC)
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| 08:29 | <coffeecoco> guys im kinda desperate ive been working on this for ages and cant find out what the default password for this kiwi-ltsp client is
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| 08:30 | boot menu gave me option of ltsp etc etc and also i386 i took the i386 boot menu option
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| 08:33 | <Hyperbyte> coffeecoco, default root password you mean?
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| 08:36 | <coffeecoco> well yea
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| 08:36 | any password im stuck at thelogin screen
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| 08:36 | there was a root password on kiwi-ltsp website it was blank password but that didnt work either
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| 08:37 | <alkisg> To login on ltsp clients, you use the username/passwords of server users
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| 08:38 | So just create a test user on your server, and use that
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| 08:38 | <coffeecoco> hmmm i wonder if it cant talk to server properly
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| 08:38 | i tried that
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| 08:38 | <alkisg> Don't use empty passwords. Also check /var/log/auth.log on the server, or whatever else kiwi uses.
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| 08:39 | There's also a kiwi channel, because it's different from stock ltsp
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| 08:39 | !kiwi
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| 08:39 | <ltsp`> kiwi: The opensuse/kiwi implementation of LTSP is a bit different than in other distros, so the best way to get support is in the #kiwi-ltsp irc channel. See also http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP
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| 08:39 | <coffeecoco> like im expecting that "i386" boot menu was for a standalone system instead of a chroot of the server ?
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| 08:39 | <alkisg> Finally, also check this:
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| 08:39 | !ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 08:39 | <ltsp`> ltsp-update-sshkeys: If you changed your server IP, you need to run ltsp-update-sshkeys, and if you're using NBD (Ubuntu) you also need ltsp-update-image afterwards
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| 08:39 | <coffeecoco> yeah thats getting a bit ahead of things
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| 08:39 | i only just created the images and ltsp stuff
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| 08:39 | ip hasnt changed
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| 08:40 | i just want to be clear if i may
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| 08:40 | when i choose boot option "ltsp" it boots an exact image of the server even same ip i worked out it must just be a remote X shell
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| 08:41 | so i wanted to check the other boot menu options one was called i386 the login screen and stuff was quite different to the previous i assumed it was standalone ?
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| 08:42 | i just made a user no work, reset my server root password also no work, im thinkiing this is a bit different ?
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| 08:42 | LABEL i386
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| 08:42 | kernel boot/linux-i386
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| 08:42 | append initrd=boot/initrd-i386 AOEROOT=/dev/etherd/e0.1 quiet splash plymouth:force-splash showopts init=/sbin/init-ltsp
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| 08:42 | IPAPPEND 2
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| 08:42 | This one ^
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| 08:49 | <coffeecoco> ugh this is droving me insane
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| 08:50 | im looking for an an image I can compile with my apps
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| 08:50 | and boot that over the network pxe/nfs
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| 08:50 | i dont know if ltsp can do this for me
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| 08:50 | anyone able to answer that ?
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| 11:19 | <alkisg> coffeecoco: yup, that's what ltsp is for. Unfortunately kiwi isn't very actively supported here, you might want to try debian or ubuntu instead.
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| 14:24 | <servercbe> hi!,epoptes doesnt recognize any of 20 thin client i got connected right now!... somebody help me please
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| 14:57 | <willianmazzardo> work_alkisg, hi man … sorry interrupt your job … but the situation with WINE and LTSP still unstable
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| 15:14 | <JEJE> HELLO, I am currently implementing Ubuntu LTSP Thin Client Server and my end point device is a HP t410 AiO, but have not been able to get the tin client to boot Ubuntu, its a pxe capable end poit device, kindly help
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| 15:17 | <bennabiy> work_alkisg: I am trying to build my recipe locally, but it is giving me this error. bzr: ERROR: Unable to find the upstream source. Import it as tag upstream-5.4.3 or build with --allow-fallback-to-native.
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| 15:19 | JEJE is it giving you an error?
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| 15:22 | <JEJE> yeah the Error I get on the end point device is "Smart Client Service not configured" and stays at the window displaying the varies clients its got (Citrix, RDP AND View)
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| 15:22 | no error on the server side after building the thin client image and carrying out an upadate of the same upon reboot
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| 15:22 | <bennabiy> What steps have you taken to setting up your LTSP server?
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| 15:23 | <JEJE> I booted my server using the Alternate Ubuntu LTSP installer
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| 15:23 | at the installtion prompt I pressed F4 and selected install LTSP Server
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| 15:23 | <bennabiy> Some things to check for, make sure your architecture is correct (you are not trying to build a amd64 client and serving it to a i386 client)
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| 15:24 | Which version? 12.04?
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| 15:24 | <JEJE> no, under /opt/lstp I have got the i386 Architecture
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| 15:24 | yes version 12.04
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| 15:25 | I configured the second NIC interface for the thin clients
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| 15:25 | <bennabiy> Are you certain your thin client is able to boot over PXE and is not proprietary?
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| 15:25 | <JEJE> then rebooted and updated my image with sudo ltsp-update-image
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| 15:26 | yeah the specifications states that it is able to boot over pxe
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| 15:28 | • Networking o Data Link Protocol: Ethernet,Fast Ethernet,Gigabit Ethernet o Features: DHCP support,PXE support,Wake on LAN (WoL) o Form Factor: Integrated o Type: Network adapter
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| 15:28 | thats part of the networking specification
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| 15:28 | bennabiy are u there
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| 15:41 | <JEJE> any body there
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| 15:48 | <bennabiy> yes
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| 15:49 | you might need to do:
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| 15:49 | sudo service isc-dhcp-server restart
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| 15:49 | sudo service tftpd-hpa restart
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| 15:50 | and sudo service nbd-server restart
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| 15:50 | I may not have typed the specific names properly, use tab completion isc-{tab} tft{tab} etc
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| 15:51 | Is your client set to netboot?
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| 15:54 | <JEJE> not sure about that
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| 15:57 | since it boots into a light OS environment the available clients
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| 15:57 | I believe since its pxe enabled it should be doing netboot first
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| 15:58 | these are the networking components specification for the client
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| 15:58 | • Networking o Data Link Protocol: Ethernet,Fast Ethernet,Gigabit Ethernet o Features: DHCP support,PXE support,Wake on LAN (WoL) o Form Factor: Integrated o Type: Network adapter
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| 16:04 | <bennabiy> What happens when you turn your client on, what screen do you see?
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| 16:04 | do you ever see it saying looking for DHCP?
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| 16:06 | <JEJE> oh yeah and it does acquire the IP just fine
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| 16:07 | <bennabiy> what screen does it get to when it stops?
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| 16:07 | Do you get the Ubuntu splash, and then login screen?
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| 16:07 | <JEJE> no
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| 16:07 | <bennabiy> busybox?
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| 16:08 | what error does it give you?
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| 16:08 | <JEJE> after acquiring the IP it continues to such thru and loads the other preinstalled agents for Windows RDP, CItrix and View client
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| 16:08 | the error I get is no smart client service found
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| 16:09 | <bennabiy> Does anyone have bzr-builder experience? I am trying to compile a PPA for LinuxMint support, to test my branch on a live install, but would like to be able to run it on a new server I am setting up.
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| 16:09 | <JEJE> I have got a manual that provides guidance in changing the thin client settings
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| 16:09 | <bennabiy> Sounds like it is prebooting from a flash drive
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| 16:10 | <JEJE> looks like
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| 16:10 | I probably have to investigate the boot order and get to change that setting
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| 16:10 | <bennabiy> Some of those machines are actually not able to be used with LTSP unless you are willing to do a lot of workarounds, or to put your LTSP preloader on the flash and then have that load your client
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| 16:10 | I personally like the HP st5742
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| 16:10 | <JEJE> http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c03460312.pdf
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| 16:11 | kindly check that
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| 16:11 | ok have you got it to work with ubuntu LTSP thin client server??
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| 16:12 | have you tested the HP st5742 with Ubuntu LTSP thin client server
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| 16:13 | <bennabiy> I use many of them
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| 16:13 | Yes
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| 16:13 | st stands for streaming, which is what you need
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| 16:13 | <JEJE> look at the document at that link and area of interest "MODIFYING CLIENT SETTING
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| 16:14 | ok
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| 16:14 | <bennabiy> It looks like the only way you might be able to use that client is if you flash the old software off of it, and put your own image on there. But it seems like it might be more than what you want to do
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| 16:14 | <JEJE> what I have is the t410 AiO
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| 16:15 | <bennabiy> Yes, It looks like it would work for RDP to linux, but not LTSP
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| 16:15 | <JEJE> thats true
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| 16:15 | ok I might wana take your advice here
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| 16:16 | this environment is a stident lab environment and they have about 120 pieces that they would like to use
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| 16:16 | on the servers should I then go for RDP to linux instead of LTSP
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| 16:16 | <bennabiy> You might be able to do something, but those clients would not work without a lot of monkeying with, if at all
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| 16:17 | <JEJE> OK
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| 16:17 | <bennabiy> I think you should look at both technologies, and see which is what you are after
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| 16:18 | <JEJE> alright I will make an assessment of that
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| 16:18 | and see the way forward
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| 16:19 | are u on twitter, we could pick up the conversation there too, just to share with you how far its gonna
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| 16:34 | <bennabiy> I do not do facebook or twitter
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| 17:25 | <bennabiy> staffencasa: Do you have anything to do with the MATE project?
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| 17:27 | <staffencasa> Sorry I don't
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| 17:27 | I don't even know what that is
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| 17:27 | <bennabiy> ok :)
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| 17:48 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: Do you have any experience with bzr-builder?
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| 17:59 | <vagrantc> nope
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| 18:04 | <bennabiy> hmm
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| 18:05 | <vagrantc> what do you need it for?
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| 18:13 | <bennabiy> I was making a PPA build of my changes... to be able to test them on a server, without having to manually code the changes
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| 18:14 | I was having troubles getting the recipe right, but I finally got one to build, but now it says there is a newer version ( which I am guessing I need to pull down the latest upstream, and then recompile again)
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| 18:14 | welcome back alkisg
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| 18:18 | * alkisg waves | |
| 18:19 | <alkisg> A `debuild -b -uc -tc` locally should be enough to get a .deb, if you don't want to mess with recipes...
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| 18:21 | <bennabiy> Would that require me downloading the packaging?
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| 18:21 | <alkisg> The debian/ folder? Yeah, always...
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| 18:21 | <bennabiy> thought so
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| 18:22 | well, I have 1.0+r2488+p1163~ubuntu13.04.1 (Newer version available) (does that mean that upstream there is a newer version?)
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| 18:23 | <alkisg> ltsp 1.0? can't be...
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| 18:23 | <bennabiy> that is my own number... I was having troubles getting the versioning to build
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| 18:24 | <alkisg> https://code.launchpad.net/~vagrantc/ltsp/ltsp-debian-packaging
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| 18:24 | You can get the latest debian/ folder from there (although without the ubuntu .diff that stgraber maintains...)
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| 18:25 | * alkisg actually prefers it that way... :) | |
| 18:25 | <alkisg> !alkisg-todo
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| 18:25 | <ltsp`> alkisg-todo: (#1) ltsp-update-image.symlinks, or (#2) upload fixed nbd-server package in the PPA, or (#3) implement LDM_[PRE|IN|POST]SESSION_CMD, or (#4) put IPAPPEND support in ltsp-update-kernels, or (#5) prefer kernels from img rather than dir, or (#6) LDM password hash, or (#7) check remoteapps in fat clients, or (#8) launch ltspfsd/cdpinger upon first media insertion, or (#9) Check ltsp bugs in debian.org, or (#10) (1 more message)
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| 18:25 | <alkisg> Meh
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| 18:25 | <bennabiy> who made your todo list?
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| 18:26 | <alkisg> !learn alkisg-todo as nbd-disconnect isn't called at all because the cmdline changed, no nbdroot=
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| 18:26 | <ltsp`> The operation succeeded.
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| 18:26 | <alkisg> Myself :)
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| 18:26 | <bennabiy> ahh
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| 18:26 | <vagrantc> !vagrant-todo
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| 18:26 | <ltsp`> vagrant-todo: (#1) pxemenus, or (#2) tweak debian/rules to install appropriate update-kernels.conf, or (#3) update-kernels fix memtest support or drop it
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| 18:26 | <vagrantc> heh. forgot about that...
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| 18:36 | <bennabiy> !bennabiy-todo
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| 18:36 | <ltsp`> bennabiy-todo: Get this working...
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| 18:36 | * bennabiy dances | |
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| 18:49 | <bennabiy> !LinuxMint
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| 18:49 | <ltsp`> Error: "LinuxMint" is not a valid command.
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| 18:52 | <bennabiy> !LinuxMint
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| 18:52 | <ltsp`> LinuxMint: "Coming soon - to get something working right away, follow these steps before building your client. #1) sudo ln -s /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Ubuntu /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/LinuxMint #2) sudo ltsp-build-client --arch=i386 --dist=(UbuntuEquivDistribution)
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| 18:55 | <bennabiy> alkisg: Are you able to help me with this error message I am getting about revision numbers? I would like to not just have it be 1.0, but I am not sure how to get it to work
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| 18:57 | <alkisg> Just download the debian/ dir inside the ltsp-trunk/ dir, and run debuild -b -tc -uc, that's all
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| 18:57 | No need to edit anything...
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| 19:00 | <bennabiy> but I want to learn! :)
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| 19:00 | so if I compile it locally, then I can upload the package to my ppa?
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| 19:03 | <alkisg> Those 2 are unrelated. You can compile your package locally if you want to, and/or you can upload it to a PPA so that it's compiled there.
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| 19:06 | <bennabiy> I guess I was seeing the benefit that if I am actively working on my package, then the daily compiling, as well as update announcements on the servers that I install it to (so they can upgrade with apt-get upgrade)
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| 19:07 | Am I thinking about it incorrectly?
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| 19:26 | <alkisg> bennabiy: if you're actively working on your package, then that means you'll be committing changes upstream, so then you could just use the daily build ltsp recipe
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| 19:27 | <bennabiy> ?
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| 19:27 | <alkisg> Anyways, if you want to learn about recipes and packaging, sure, it's good stuff to know, and there are lots of documentation about it online
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| 19:27 | <bennabiy> I saw that, but I was not sure why it was giving me an error about upstream
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| 19:29 | by committing changes upstream, do you mean merging my changes into upstream ltsp?
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| 19:29 | <alkisg> Yup, isn't that your main goal?
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| 19:29 | <bennabiy> alkisg: Yes.
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| 19:33 | alkisg and vagrantc: I have weighed the options, and I think that the best way to reduce risk of affecting other distributions is to keep LinuxMint in its own folder, with two folders inside, Ubuntu and Debian which would house the customized scripts for their respective mint versions, and the initial configuration script would source them in based on an initial test for LinuxMint
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| 19:33 | <alkisg> bennabiy: are you going to change detect_vendor()?
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| 19:34 | <bennabiy> yes
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| 19:34 | <alkisg> What will that return, for mint?
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| 19:35 | <bennabiy> It will return Debian for LMDE and Ubuntu for LinuxMint as well as setting a variable MINT which the 000 script in Debian or Ubuntu would pick up and source the LinuxMint directory for the respective files
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| 19:36 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: you would need two dirs, rather than a single dir with subdirs, just because of the way the plugins are set up
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| 19:36 | <bennabiy> I could do that
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| 19:37 | <alkisg> If it returns Debian, then ltsp-build-client will source the Debian/ plugins dir
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| 19:37 | <bennabiy> I could have it return LMDE for the debian version, and LinuxMint for the Ubuntu version
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| 19:37 | <alkisg> Same for Ubuntu
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| 19:38 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: that would be the easiest.
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| 19:39 | <alkisg> Go for it. If you see that you only need 2-3 scripts, _then_ you might consider merging them with the other Debian/ and Ubuntu/ dirs... ;)
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| 19:39 | <bennabiy> If the detect_vendor() would just patch for the LMDE, and leave the LinuxMint folder to sort out the Ubuntu versioning
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| 19:40 | <alkisg> IMHO when Mint matures, it'll see that it's a flavor of debian/ubuntu, not a new distro... so it doesn't deserve its own folders... but anyway too much talking about it and little coding, it should be the opposite :)
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| 19:43 | <bennabiy> I will try it your way, I just am not wanting to risk breaking the other distros while I hack their code
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| 19:50 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: that's why we'll review your changes before merging :)
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| 19:51 | bennabiy: it does seem like it will be more invasive to change detect_vendor
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| 19:51 | <bennabiy> bah!
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| 19:52 | This is why I have been talking ... who do I code for? ;)
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| 19:57 | while it is true that there are only a few scripts that would change compared to Ubuntu or Debian, getting it all to pipe through those plugins and detect properly which ones to load would be a little harder
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| 20:00 | <alkisg> bennabiy: we're talking for weeks on how to organize the code without actually seeing the changes yet... I think it would be easiest to do it the other way around, i.e. to see the changes first and then to decide where to put them
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| 20:00 | <bennabiy> alkisg: I have been mostly away from the computer for religious festivals for the past couple weeks
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| 20:01 | I am just now getting back to it
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| 20:01 | <alkisg> e.g. "getting it all to pipe through those plugins and detect properly which ones to load" ==> I don't see why it would need to conditionally check a lot of the plugins
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| 20:01 | 2-3 of them, ok, but a lot... it shouldn't need to
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| 20:04 | <bennabiy> You are probably right, it is probably a lot more complicated in my head
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| 20:04 | <alkisg> I think so... if you start coding it you'll see it's not as hard as it sounds now
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| 20:05 | I believe it's less than 50 lines in total
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| 20:05 | (both LMDE and LinuxMint)
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| 20:05 | <bennabiy> I have gotten about halfway through it
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| 20:06 | I hope to finish it now.
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| 20:10 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: and just to keep it simple, focus on LinuxMint ubuntu variant first
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| 20:18 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: That was my hope, and I think that is where my head started spinning was thinking about trying to figure out all the needs for the debian verison
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| 20:19 | <bennabiy> I think I can do it alkisg style, and then keep updating it as I figure out more, or things change
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| 20:19 | I should have something up by tonight (I will be stoping coding in about 20 minutes, but will be back tonight)
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| 20:21 | right now I am watching my daughter and trying to make progress :)
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| 20:21 | Do either of you have children?
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| 20:21 | <alkisg> 3 :)
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| 20:21 | <bennabiy> How old?
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| 20:22 | <alkisg> 13, 11, 7
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| 20:22 | Yours? Is she little?
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| 20:22 | <bennabiy> I have 2 girls, 3 1/2 and one almost 1
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| 20:22 | I am watching the baby right now
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| 20:23 | <alkisg> Heh, I'm guessing they won't leave you enough time and brain to code a lot :)
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| 20:23 | <bennabiy> She likes to come and sit with me, and you are right...
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| 20:23 | My wife is milking the goats with my other daughter
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| 20:23 | I almost had both of them this afternoon
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| 20:56 | <gbaman> alkisg what is the correct way to remove an LTSP client image? Is there a special LTSP command? Need to know for rebuilding an image from scratch
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| 21:00 | <vagrantc> rm /opt/ltsp/images/FOO.img
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| 21:01 | where FOO is the image you want to remove
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| 21:01 | and if you really want to start from scratch: rm -rf /opt/ltsp/FOO
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| 21:01 | and if you wanted to clean up all the cruft: rm -rf /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp /tftpboot/ltsp /srv/tftp/ltsp
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