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Channel log from 10 June 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 06:17 | <ogra> Q-FUNK, i lan to switch edubuntu to ubuntoon icons with intepid, any interest in pulling that into debian as gartoon replacement ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuArtwork/Ubuntoon
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| 06:18 | <Q-FUNK> hm?
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| 06:20 | <ogra> gartoon is pretty dead if it comes to new icons
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| 06:20 | ubuntoon joins all later developed icons into one branch
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| 06:21 | (Gartoon Redux, GNUtoon, and lots of new stock icons)
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| 06:21 | oh, and openoffice
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| 06:26 | <Q-FUNK> ah ok
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| 06:26 | yes, it could be fun
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| 06:26 | vagrant might want that
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| 06:26 | <ogra> not sure about the name though but i didnt make it up :)
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| 06:27 | there will surely be rants if debian-edu starts using a theme called ubuntu*something*
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| 06:28 | <Q-FUNK> not necessarily
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| 06:28 | the skolelinux ppl are usually fairly pragmatic about this
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| 06:28 | <ogra> yes, but the debian ppl arent :)
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| 06:29 | <rjune> like they matter
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| 06:29 | <ogra> i know that the further you go down in hirarchy it gets better :)
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| 06:29 | *the better it gets :)
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| 06:30 | but there is surely some resistance on the top debian layer :)
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| 06:46 | <generic> would any body know how to mount local hardrive in ltsp-thin-client
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| 06:51 | <tarzeau> LTSP DOESN'T WORK!
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| 06:52 | <laga> OH NO
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| 06:52 | <tarzeau> BROKEN@!
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| 06:52 | <generic> ??
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| 06:54 | <tarzeau> only the kiosk mode
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| 06:54 | %#!%*(^&@!(*$^
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| 06:55 | <ogra_cmpc> tarzeau, the ubuntu one works fine ... you couold just pull over the plugin and adjust some package names
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| 06:56 | <tarzeau> the problem is we have ONE user for the kiosks
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| 06:56 | and one kiosk works
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| 06:56 | but if another kiosk starts firefox, it doesn't start
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| 06:57 | i tried with -P $HOSTNAME and mkdir /some/other/home and HOME=/some/other/home firefox
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| 06:57 | <laga> are you using NFS?
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| 06:58 | <ogra_cmpc> yeah, that doesnt really sound like kiosk
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| 06:58 | <tarzeau> laga: yes
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| 06:58 | no
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| 06:58 | <laga> are you using NFS in rw mode?
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| 06:58 | <tarzeau> yes, but kiosk not
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| 06:59 | <laga> have you ever tried NBD?
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| 07:00 | <ogra_cmpc> well, by definition you have a local temporary kiosk user on the client with a tmpfs as homedir that gets wiped on every logout ... what you are building there seems to be a standalone diskless workstation
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| 07:35 | <laga> ogra_cmpc: remember when we talked about adept and that it can't handle config file changes? i just got a popup asking me what i want to do with a changed file :))
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| 07:35 | <ogra_cmpc> did we ?
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| 07:35 | * ogra_cmpc cant remember discussing kde apps ... since he doesnt reallly feel qualified | |
| 07:35 | <laga> ogra_cmpc: yeah, but nothing important. never mind :)
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| 07:35 | maybe it was someone else then..
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| 07:35 | *puts down the crack pipe*
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| 07:39 | <ByPasS> I had problems booting thin clients (new install) so i enabled verbose booting and I can now see where it stops : right after getting ip for dhcp which works, I have Error: Connect: Connection refused
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| 07:40 | it then tries to mount directories which fails aswell
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| 07:40 | would that be related to nfs or im trying to figure connection refused doesnt tell me much :D
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| 07:41 | <ogra_cmpc> depends what distro you use
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| 07:41 | <ByPasS> ogra : ubuntu 8.04
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| 07:41 | <ogra_cmpc> doesnt use nfs
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| 07:41 | how did you install ?
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| 07:42 | !ubuntu
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| 07:42 | <ltspbot`> ogra_cmpc: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 07:42 | <ogra_cmpc> see the latter link
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| 07:43 | <ByPasS> i did that and removed usplash boot to see why it wasnt booting
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| 07:44 | <ogra_cmpc> grep nbdroot /etc/inetd.conf
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| 07:44 | <ogra_cmpc> what does that return ?
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| 07:44 | <ByPasS> 2000 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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| 07:44 | <ogra_cmpc> /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img exists ?
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| 07:45 | <ByPasS> sec
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| 07:45 | yup
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| 07:45 | <ogra_cmpc> hmm
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| 07:45 | then it should mount
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| 07:46 | <ByPasS> 8.04 works fine or i should stick with 7 (ubuntu)
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| 07:46 | <ogra_cmpc> 8.04 works fine
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| 07:47 | did you create an lts.conf file that could cause any issues ?
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| 07:48 | <ByPasS> no well let me recheck but id ont think
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| 07:49 | <ogra_cmpc> did you create an lts.conf at all ? (you shouldnt ... only if you have issues to work around them)
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| 07:50 | <ByPasS> the only thing i have in etc is /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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| 07:50 | <Rucal> ogra_cmpc,i have a problem with my laptop running thin client,it's resolution only can be 800*600,i have try config the lts.conf,with XSERVER mode,but can't change to 1024*768,do you have an idea?
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| 07:51 | <ogra_cmpc> Rucal, what graphics card ?
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| 07:51 | <Rucal> ogra_cmpc ,trident
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| 07:51 | <ogra_cmpc> (and which XSERVER setting did you try with it ?)
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| 07:52 | hmm, i got a trident here that works fine out of the box, what kind of monitor do you have attached
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| 07:52 | <Rucal> ogra_cmpc ,i have try vesa,and trident,it's work,and can change the resolution to 640*480,lts.conf is work
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| 07:52 | LCD 1024*768 13.3inch
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| 07:53 | <ogra_cmpc> you couold try setting X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH with the values of the monitor handbook
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| 07:53 | note that you need to set them both to take effect
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| 07:54 | <Rucal> got it
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| 07:54 | lap top,use Trident CyberBlade XP Ai1,i have google it,i think it's problem to me
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| 09:03 | <Q-FUNK> warren: could you PLEASE reply to my e-mail now? this misplaced parcel thing has been dragging on long enough and the customs are getting impatient.
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| 09:05 | <warren> Q-FUNK: I've been traveling until late yesterday
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| 09:05 | Q-FUNK: I sent a bunch of e-mails early last week
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| 09:05 | * warren checks | |
| 09:06 | <warren> Q-FUNK: late the previous week you told me it was up to us (the sender) to clarify the shipment for customs? I told our people to do that. I'm checking if they did so no.w
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| 09:07 | <Q-FUNK> warren: I told you to put them in touch with Krsti, so that this wouldn't be dependant on yourself haivng time to personally followup on this.
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| 09:08 | <warren> your e-mail from 5/29 didn't mention putting them in touch with Kristi
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| 09:08 | your mail from yesterday did
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| 09:08 | 5/29 you said it was up to *us* to clear it up with Fedex.
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| 09:08 | <Q-FUNK> right now, the description of the package that was sent to us doesn't match anything we were expecting from you. we're unable to accept delivery becuase of this and customs are uable to process it because of that too.
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| 09:09 | <warren> right
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| 09:09 | hold a sec, i'm making a call
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| 09:10 | <Q-FUNK> we were expecting a small box with a description along the lines of "returned defective merchandise. country of origin: estonia" we got notification of something completely different.
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| 09:13 | <warren> Q-FUNK: somehow it was handed off and rewrote by one of our shipping agents to the current non-sense
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| 09:14 | Q-FUNK: According to our shipping agent, they called fedex and they said "customs has no issue with it" meaning customs does not expect payment.
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| 09:14 | <Q-FUNK> warren: sounds like a good time to incur all costs of this mess to his paycheck.
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| 09:14 | <warren> Q-FUNK: are you saying we still have to update the description with fedex?
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| 09:14 | <Q-FUNK> oh, but they DO have issues, on our side.
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| 09:14 | <warren> Q-FUNK: ok, I'll follow up and CC you and Kristi
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| 09:16 | <Q-FUNK> warren: good. Kristi is online right now. can you reply now? she'll be able to tell you what we need to fix this.
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| 09:17 | warren: apparently, the package description is a complete mismatch for the content.
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| 09:17 | <warren> I am aware of that.
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| 09:17 | I'm trying to get this fixed.
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| 09:18 | <fsgaston> Does anybody have a script to autologin a user based on machine hostname?
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| 09:19 | <Q-FUNK> the main issue is that the decription mentions a qunatity of 5 units of something, but the box evidently contains a single silverish item.
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| 09:20 | warren: Kristi pointed out that not just the weight, but also the quantty, is entirely wrong
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| 09:20 | <warren> Q-FUNK: what weight was written on the item?
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| 09:21 | <Q-FUNK> warren: please us email. Kristi knows. I don't. besides, we all need a paper trail.
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| 09:23 | warren: the quicker emails starts flowing between Kristi and RH, the quicker we can solve this.
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| 09:34 | <warren> Q-FUNK: mail sent
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| 12:11 | <Blinny> Yea. FF3
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| 13:37 | <cdealer> hi!
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| 13:38 | <cdealer> What I must do when I receive an error saying: "This workstation isn't authorized to login" ? (I have already done ltsp-update-image and ltsp-update-sshkeys)
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| 13:44 | <x86> cdealer: sounds like an XDM setting
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| 13:44 | Xauth?
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| 13:47 | <cdealer> x86, Xauth ? how could be ?
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| 13:49 | <johnny> it's ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 13:49 | and then ltsp-update-image
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| 13:49 | not the reverse
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| 13:53 | <cdealer> johnny, I changed ltspfsmount adding -X and then the client wasnt login, but this was to try to fix the pen-drive notmounting problem... any better solution ?
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| 13:54 | <johnny> that's totally seperate from your original question
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| 13:54 | focus on that first
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| 13:54 | i have no idea about that atm
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| 13:55 | <cdealer> johnny, yeah, but the user not log in I have fixed taking off the -X option from ltspfsmount
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| 13:56 | <johnny> and this is with hardy?
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| 13:56 | you should't have to modify anything with hardy
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| 13:57 | <cdealer> johnny, isnt hardy.. is 7.10 ...
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| 13:58 | <johnny> you should upgrade
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| 13:59 | <cdealer> johnny, unfortunately the application used but our users wasnt working the way it should on hardy's ltsp
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| 13:59 | s/but/for
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| 14:01 | <johnny> perhaps you should work on fixing that
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| 14:01 | since gutsy is already on the way out
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| 14:01 | inteprid is alreadly in devel
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| 14:01 | gutsy will be forgotten in the next few months ;)
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| 14:06 | <cdealer> johnny, well... oracle have homologate they ias application only to work with a very old java release (1.4.0.6) and in hardy when the application applet start it goes to slow and its terrible to users to work... so we back to 7.10
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| 14:07 | <johnny> you're going to run out of support help then
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| 14:07 | since the issues of the past will be slowly forgotten by he new crop of helpers
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| 14:07 | the8
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| 14:07 | the*
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| 14:08 | one intrepid comes out, you'll be two releases behind, and nobody who has the time to answer, will remember
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| 14:08 | and the issues won't just be with ltsp being behind.. but every other bit of software that has already moved on
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| 14:09 | :(
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| 14:09 | cdealer, if you spent all the money with oracle.. maybe you better purchase some support :(
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| 14:13 | <cdealer> johnny, our hope is on a next ltsp release this strange issue to be fixed... about the support, we have all the support of oracle and more the 15 DBAs working building the system, oracle is "studing" the possibility of homologate a newer java version ...
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| 14:14 | <johnny> the issue doesn't sound like it is with ltsp at all tho?
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| 14:15 | <cdealer> johnny, I think its a combination of old java with ltsp... but on 7.04 and 7.10 there are no issue, the system goes as it must go, on 8.04 the server can run the application like its suppose but the client dont have the same hability
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| 14:16 | <cdealer> its strange... the first reason of the upgrade was some issues we were having with evince, those were fixed on 8.04 but on problem goes out one come in ... =/
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| 14:17 | <johnny> yep.. happens sometimes
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| 14:17 | <cdealer> yeah ... unfortunately
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| 14:17 | <laga> maybe it's possible to downgrade to an older version of java? if that is the problem
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| 14:19 | <cdealer> the application only works with 1.4.0.6... on windows they have a plugin called jinit, its a kind of java from oracle
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| 14:25 | <fsgaston> Does anybody have some good hardware specs for LTSP setup?
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| 14:25 | <rjune> you want something that will tell you what hardware to get for x users?
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| 14:26 | <fsgaston> rjune, yes do you know of a site?
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| 14:27 | <rjune> used to be one on the LTSP site
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| 14:27 | rough estimate was 50MB RAM / user and 100MB space / user
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| 14:27 | CPU is harder to work with
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| 14:28 | generally 4 1Ghz cores will be better then 1 4Ghz core
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| 14:28 | <fsgaston> rjune - Okay, I'm looking at 64 bit
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| 14:28 | <rjune> so you'll need more ram
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| 14:29 | <fsgaston> rjune - what about Hard drives
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| 14:29 | <rjune> anymore, I would say 100MB RAM /user
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| 14:29 | * rjune shrugs depends on your usage. | |
| 14:29 | <rjune> brb
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| 14:29 | <stgraber> IIRC we usually say 128MB/user + 256MB for the system (for Ubuntu, but probably similar for others)
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| 14:30 | <fsgaston> Can you get by with SATA drives or do you need something faster
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| 14:30 | I guess do you need SCSI
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| 14:30 | <johnny> doubtful..
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| 14:31 | <rjune> SATA is ok, but you want RAID if you care about your data
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| 14:31 | <johnny> cpu and ram are more concerns
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| 14:31 | <stgraber> I'd say that when you need faster HDD it's time to have your user accounts on another server connected to a SAN or something similar
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| 14:31 | <rjune> ram mostly
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| 14:31 | <stgraber> until then SATA will be fine
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| 14:32 | <fsgaston> stgraber - we are looking at 360 machines at a time
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| 14:32 | 12 rooms of 30
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| 14:32 | <stgraber> ouch
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| 14:32 | <fsgaston> We were thing of doing one server per room
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| 14:33 | What would people recommend for 360 machines
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| 14:33 | <stgraber> yes, for that kind of setup I would go with either a server for each room or something like Millexterm with a cluster of terminal server, a load balancer
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| 14:33 | and separate user accounts/authentication
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| 14:33 | <fsgaston> stgraber, what is the easiest authentication setup, we were thinking LTSP
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| 14:33 | <rjune> I'm guessing you don't want to put 360 terminals on one system
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| 14:33 | <fsgaston> LDAP
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| 14:33 | <stgraber> LDAP
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| 14:34 | <rjune> that would be 46GB RAM
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| 14:34 | <fsgaston> Which OS is the easiest for a school to setup LTSP, K12ltsp or Edubuntu
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| 14:34 | <rjune> LOL
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| 14:34 | you're trying to start a flam ware.
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| 14:34 | <laga> yay, flame wars
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| 14:35 | <fsgaston> rjune - non no, put down the gas
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| 14:35 | * laga hands out asbestos underwar | |
| 14:35 | <rjune> I think ubuntu is furthest along in LTSP integration
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| 14:35 | ubuntu also has some nice web based LDAP management tools
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| 14:35 | but if you have to deal with novell, it has an ldap server already, and I think ms does too
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| 14:36 | <fsgaston> We are struggling in the best way to setup the 12 rooms
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| 14:36 | <rjune> This over in Indy?
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| 14:36 | <Nubae> ubuntu's ldap server works great, but is not automatic
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| 14:36 | <fsgaston> rune - Hagerstown
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| 14:36 | <johnny> hagerstown ?
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| 14:36 | <Nubae> lots of setup stuff doesn't work out of the box
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| 14:36 | <johnny> which one?
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| 14:36 | <fsgaston> johnny - Hagerstown Indiana
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| 14:36 | <rjune> johnny: IN
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| 14:36 | <johnny> oh
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| 14:37 | there is one in maryland..
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| 14:37 | <rjune> johnny: I know fsgaston a bit, we live in the same state and have at least one mutual friend
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| 14:37 | <stgraber> fsgaston: is that the whole school moving to LTSP ? how many user accounts ?
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| 14:37 | <fsgaston> I appreciate all of the help, Rjune, what do you charge to help us setup ltsp
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| 14:37 | <rjune> I can't right now. I'm already working ~80 hours/week
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| 14:38 | aka, I'm tapped out.
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| 14:38 | <fsgaston> rjune, do you know somebody you would recommend
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| 14:38 | <rjune> not in state
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| 14:38 | <fsgaston> What about ohio
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| 14:38 | <rjune> Lumen software out of Missouri used to be in LTSP big
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| 14:39 | <Nubae> most stuff can be done remotely anyway
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| 14:39 | <rjune> fsgaston what is the existing infrastructure you're trying to integrate with?
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| 14:39 | <stgraber> fsgaston: you may want to contact RevolutionLinux, they are doing mass deployment in Quebec and are the guys behind Millexterm (LTSP clustering). I know they are also working with some U.S schools or will soon.
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| 14:39 | <fsgaston> stgraber, thanks a bunch, I will give them a call.
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| 14:40 | Thanks everyone, need to run
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| 14:40 | talk to you later rjune
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| 14:40 | <Nubae> nice, ltsp is getting commercial demand...
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| 14:41 | <rjune> fsgaston2: good luck
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| 15:31 | <majikins> hi we are looking to run ltsp 5 on 64 bit system(to address more than 4 gig ram) and firefox with all extensions locally - however is there a method to run 32 bit firefox with flash extensions?
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| 15:37 | <johnny> don't bother..
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| 15:37 | use nspluginwrapper
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| 15:37 | that way you can use 32bit flash
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| 15:37 | but 64bit firefox
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| 15:37 | * johnny has to run tho | |
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| 16:14 | <x86> or just forget 64bit linux and use 32bit linux with PAE to address the memory above 4gb
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| 16:14 | which is the most proven solution
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| 17:54 | <lns> I would agree with x86 - there are other issues with 64-bit installs, and 32-bit w/server kernel seems much more stable at my sites
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| 17:54 | It's just used much more so bugs are squashed much faster
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| 17:55 | <gbolte> yeah we use pae as well
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| 17:56 | 8GB ram running 32bit pae
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| 17:57 | <lns> according to ogra (long time ago talk) there is a semi-large performance hit for PAE (somewhere around 10-15%) but it is still preferred by many over native 64-bit server afaik
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| 18:04 | <gbolte> yeah
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| 18:04 | well that and I think when you use pae no 1 application can have more than 4 gb
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| 18:04 | but we have never needed that
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| 18:05 | <lns> heh..yeah, i wouldn't think any one app would need more than 4gb..depends on the install-base though
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| 18:06 | <gbolte> yeah we have a windows box here running 64bit windows and it has to have 64bit because it is used to run solidworks which can easily eat 4GB to itself
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| 18:07 | <lns> yikes
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| 18:08 | <gbolte> well its a cad type software that is used to also create very complex thermal dynamic models and flow models
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| 18:08 | so its to be expected
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| 18:10 | <lns> true
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| 18:10 | i'm assuming that's not running over ltsp or term svcs ;)
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| 18:10 | <gbolte> no thats a dedicated windows XP 64 client
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| 18:12 | <lns> Any of you guys do remote VNC to Hardy boxes?
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| 18:13 | I've been having the weirdest issue as soon as I upgrade a server to Hardy, under a VNC login the Gnome theme constantly changes from one to the other
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| 18:13 | <gbolte> lol
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| 18:13 | <lns> window borders, menus, fonts, etc. are constantly cycling back and forth between human and some other one (crux?)
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| 18:14 | <gbolte> strange
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| 18:14 | <lns> yeah
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| 18:15 | I think it's related to an error i get regarding gnome-settings-daemon
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| 18:15 | <gbolte> most likely
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| 18:15 | maybe dbus as well?
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| 18:17 | <lns> no clue :( i have to dig a bit deeper - but it's happened on 3 completely different servers so far after a gutsy->hardy upgrade
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| 18:17 | local logins are fine
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| 18:17 | as are regular ltsp logins
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| 18:17 | afaik
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| 18:17 | <Nubae> and italc works?
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| 18:17 | <lns> Nubae, haven't tried it
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| 18:18 | <Nubae> since it requires vnc too, but its just port local port based not real remote
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| 18:18 | <lns> i'm using a semi-custom gdm/vnc/ssh solution
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| 18:19 | using vnc4server
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| 18:19 | <Nubae> well, I get the same error with my fat clients... gdm switches on and off till it finally lands on a theme
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| 18:19 | <lns> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=569451
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| 18:20 | <Nubae> but thats gdm...
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| 18:20 | <lns> Nubae, at the login screen it switches themes?
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| 18:20 | <Nubae> yep
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| 18:21 | well, first it just cycles to terminal 3 or 4 times
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| 18:21 | <lns> that sounds similar to my issue since i'm using vnc4server to login to a newly spawned gdm session
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| 18:21 | <Nubae> and it was working perfectly with gutsy
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| 18:21 | <lns> yeah me too
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| 18:21 | <Nubae> I've been with that error for weeks now
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| 18:21 | <lns> hmmmmm
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| 18:21 | <Nubae> thinking its my setup somewhere...
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| 18:22 | <lns> Nubae, did you replace all of your gdm config during upgrade?
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| 18:22 | <Nubae> sometimes it doesnt login at all, and throws me to terminal with (gdm has started multiple times and will now wait) or something like that
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| 18:22 | built a new chroot
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| 18:22 | well, several :-)
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| 18:23 | <lns> what's also weird (maybe not related) but I just got done installing a *new* Hardy LTSP server today, and at GDM login, everything looked fine, but username/password font was INSANELY HUGE (couldn't see but the very bottom of letters typed) - but the gfx/etc looked fine
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| 18:24 | no other issues logging in either..just crazy big font on username/pw field
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| 18:24 | <Nubae> hmmm sounds like hardy is posessed :-)
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| 18:24 | <lns> i'm thinking there's something funky w/GDM in hardy
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| 18:25 | haha...i agree
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| 18:25 | <Q-FUNK> lns: hey there! did the test succeed?
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| 18:25 | <Nubae> well sure would explain a lot...
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| 18:25 | <lns> Q-FUNK, dude i still haven't heard back from them :(
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| 18:25 | I'm going out that way in a couple of days, will probably stop by if i haven't heard back
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| 18:26 | <Q-FUNK> ok
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| 18:26 | <Stax> wish i could get this old dell with intel810 / broadcom to pxe and tftpd boot :(
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| 18:27 | <lns> Stax, that sounds like a pretty basic h/w config..what's the specific issue?
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| 18:27 | <Stax> it recieves the dhcp info, starts to boot
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| 18:27 | then just stops
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| 18:28 | <lns> Stax, stops where exactly?
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| 18:29 | <Stax> sorry just had to boot it up again
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| 18:29 | stops after running the nfs-top script
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| 18:30 | last line is IP-Config: eth0 hardware addres : macofservereth0
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| 18:31 | i can see just above it it loaded the 3com/broadcom driver for the onboard ethernet card
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| 18:31 | i can boot a microsoft virtual pc and it works fine
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| 18:31 | <lns> Stax, I might be way off but maybe it's not loading the correct eth driver?
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| 18:31 | <Stax> hmm maybe
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| 18:33 | <lns> I've used broadcom cards to pxe before, they seem to take a while to get a dhcp addy...that's all i remember
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| 18:33 | <Stax> looks like its a broadcom 9504
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| 18:33 | yeah it does take a moment longer than other pxe
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| 18:33 | <lns> yeah
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| 18:33 | <Stax> is there a guide to installing a ndiswrapper into the boot image or something i can read up on ?
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| 18:34 | <lns> eewwww ;)
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| 18:34 | not sure
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| 18:34 | but that'd be tricky (i would think anyway) to balance that kind of thing.. personally i'd rather use a different nic if possible before going that route
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| 18:35 | but that's just me
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| 18:35 | <Stax> wow, type.. its a broadcom 5904
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| 18:35 | ahh its onboard , and this is a perfect test pc :(
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| 18:37 | <lns> well it could be something easy (maybe not even related to nic driver).. i use pretty specific hardware so i can't comment on that too deeply
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| 18:41 | <Stax> ahh its loading the correct driver
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| 18:41 | :S
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| 18:43 | <lns> so not the nic drv causing issues?
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| 18:46 | <Stax> can you run both rpl and pxe at the same time? :/
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| 18:47 | <lns> depends on the chipset i would think...i've only seen one or the other
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| 19:03 | <TonWibier> Good morning/afternoon/evening!
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| 19:04 | <gbolte> lol
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| 19:05 | night?
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| 19:05 | <TonWibier> Yep!
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| 19:05 | Forgot night. Sorry.
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| 19:05 | <gbolte> :P
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| 19:05 | <TonWibier> Are you the only one awake?
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| 19:05 | <gbolte> evening for me though
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| 19:05 | <TonWibier> ;(
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| 19:05 | <gbolte> na
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| 19:05 | there must be more people here
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| 19:05 | its only 5PM here
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| 19:06 | :P
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| 19:06 | <Stax> 10am here
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| 19:06 | :>
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| 19:06 | <TonWibier> 65 should be the total.
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| 19:06 | 2 am here.
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| 19:06 | Can I ask you people a question?
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| 19:06 | May I.
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| 19:06 | I mean.
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| 19:06 | <gbolte> Stax, you in Australia?
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| 19:06 | sure
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| 19:06 | why not
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| 19:06 | :P
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| 19:07 | <TonWibier> G'day mate
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| 19:07 | Netherlands over here.
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| 19:07 | US for you gbolte?
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| 19:07 | <gbolte> west coast yes
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| 19:07 | <TonWibier> LA area?
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| 19:07 | <gbolte> Redmond WA actually
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| 19:07 | :P
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| 19:08 | <lns> gbolte, you're stepping on eggshells over there! =p
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| 19:08 | <gbolte> indeed
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| 19:08 | <TonWibier> Ok, you can't help it. ;-)
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| 19:08 | <lns> TonWibier, what's the Q?
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| 19:08 | <gbolte> hehe I work at a small chemical company
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| 19:09 | <TonWibier> Morning Ins.
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| 19:09 | <gbolte> cant help the fact that we are so close to the evil giant
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| 19:09 | :D
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| 19:09 | <lns> ;)
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| 19:09 | <TonWibier> I would like to know whether LTSP is a good alternative for citrix or not.
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| 19:09 | <lns> TonWibier, not really the same thing
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| 19:09 | but yes. ;)
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| 19:09 | <TonWibier> ??
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| 19:10 | <lns> AFAIK citrix hosts selected applications, correct?
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| 19:10 | not an entire OS
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| 19:10 | <TonWibier> Sorry, I'm not used to the abbreviation AFAIK (yet).
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| 19:11 | <lns> LTSP boots a 'true' thin-client via PXE and downloads a minimal OS on a RAM disk.
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| 19:11 | And connects to a server for a graphical/other session, whether Windows, Linux, etc.
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| 19:11 | TonWibier, afaik = as far as i know
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| 19:12 | <TonWibier> And yes, I would like to setup some sort of an Open Source Citrix equivalent (server) and would like computers from the outside to connect to the server. Is this possible?
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| 19:12 | Thanks.
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| 19:12 | <lns> TonWibier, from the "Outside" as in over a WAN?
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| 19:12 | <TonWibier> Correct.
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| 19:12 | <lns> I don't think that'd be advisable with LTSP
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| 19:12 | I haven't tried it myself but I think it would be too slow
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| 19:13 | <TonWibier> That's a pitty. Why? Because of X
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| 19:13 | <lns> TonWibier, just because of the nature of LTSP
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| 19:13 | you'd probably want something more like VNC or ..ugh what's it called
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| 19:13 | argh
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| 19:13 | <TonWibier> Is there any other software available, to your knowledge?
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| 19:14 | <lns> well
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| 19:14 | do you want to run windows apps or linux apps?
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| 19:14 | (FreeNX is what i was thinking)
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| 19:14 | <TonWibier> I would like to use Windows applications, that run on a virtual machine (VMWare) under Linux.
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| 19:15 | Through LTSP I would like people from the "outside" to connect to the application.
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| 19:15 | <lns> so the end result is hosted windows applications to wan clients also running windows .. ?
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| 19:15 | <TonWibier> That could be possible, yes.
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| 19:15 | <lns> yeah - LTSP is more of a full-blown solution for thin-clients
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| 19:16 | I'm not sure about any OSS solutions for hosting windows apps
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| 19:16 | <TonWibier> Ins, but you think LTSP might be too slow?
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| 19:16 | <lns> TonWibier, Lns btw ;) but LTSP just doesn't seem like a fitting solution for what you need
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| 19:17 | * lns should change his nick to Lns | |
| 19:17 | <TonWibier> But it would be suitable if Linux applications were to be run?
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| 19:17 | <lns> not really...not over a WAN
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| 19:17 | it's hard enough over wifi
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| 19:18 | but especially if your WAN clients already have an OS
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| 19:18 | it would be pointless to have to reboot into LTSP just to run single applications when you have things like citrix/vnc/rdp
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| 19:18 | <TonWibier> Well, speed is important. So, I think LTSP is not the answer.
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| 19:19 | <lns> TonWibier, try checking out NX or FreeNX
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| 19:19 | that might give you what you want
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| 19:19 | <TonWibier> RDP of VNC were the other options.
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| 19:19 | Ins, thanks. I will check these things out. I've written it down.
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| 19:19 | <lns> np TonMibier
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| 19:20 | ;)
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| 19:20 | <TonWibier> Ins, thanks for your time and have a nice evening, while it's still young.
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| 19:20 | :)
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| 19:20 | <lns> Thanks - you too
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| 19:20 | heh
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| 19:20 | <TonWibier> <grin>
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| 19:20 | * lns really does need to change his nick | |
| 19:21 | <Stax> i keep thinking "insert"
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| 19:21 | lol
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| 19:21 | <lns> I think that's what everyone thinks heh
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| 19:22 | are registered nicks case sensitive?
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| 19:24 | <Lns> blah
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| 19:25 | oh
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| 19:25 | there we go ;)
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| 19:32 | <Stax> heh found the problem
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| 19:32 | <Stax> i should have thought about it sooner
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| 19:33 | <Stax> the machine had two cards in it, for some reason, after getting the boot img it would try connecting to the server using the wrong card :/
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| 19:33 | took out other card, works fine :>
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| 19:35 | <Lns> aahh
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| 19:35 | there ya go
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| 19:36 | * Lns hasn't seen so many old-school emoticons^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hsmilies since the BBS days | |
| 19:36 | <Lns> :> was my fav... as was >grin<
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| 19:39 | <Stax> haha
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| 19:40 | im only 26, there is very faint memories of bbs, but dial-up internet took over quickly
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| 19:42 | <Lns> 26 isn't bad, I'm 28 - good times
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| 19:46 | <Stax> =]
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| 19:55 | hmm
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| 19:55 | so whats the steps to installing/removing and controlling software for clients that are connecting
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| 21:31 | <RiXtEr> Hello all
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| 21:31 | rjune: you around?
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| 21:56 | <joebaker> Hi - Struggling here with tftpd not working right in an upgraded Edubuntu 8.04 system.
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| 21:57 | I am trying to switch over to atftpd instead of tftpd-hpa but this causes ltsp-server to be slated to be un-installed.
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| 21:58 | <Stax> is that when you apt-get remove tftpd-hpa ?
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| 21:58 | <joebaker> Yes.
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| 21:59 | The dependancy is named explicitly instead of a virtual dependancy on the tftpd class of programs.
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| 22:01 | will try ... dpkg -i --force-all atftpd.deb
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| 22:17 | That did NOT work as I thought it might.
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| 22:43 | <johnny> joebaker, maybe it's something in /etc/alternatives ?
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| 22:45 | <joebaker> Good idea johnny. Thanks. I'll check that.
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| 22:47 | There is no in.tftpd or tftpd in the /etc/alternatives directory.
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| 22:47 | <johnny> hmm.. that's lame then
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| 22:48 | :(
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| 22:48 | you'd have to ask one of the ubuntu devs about that one
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| 23:01 | <joebaker> thanks. Meanwhile this LTSP server is dead in the water.
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| 23:01 | Not that many use it.
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| 23:01 | It is in a lab.
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| 23:04 | <Stax> whats the problem with tftpd-hpa
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| 23:11 | <joebaker> It does not respond to tftp requests.
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| 23:12 | I have ufw disabled.
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| 23:19 | <johnny> any errors?
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| 23:19 | <joebaker> Nothing shows up on the logs of the ubuntu box. The thin client...
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| 23:20 | <johnny> try it yourself
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| 23:20 | from the server
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| 23:20 | does it respond to requests then?
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| 23:20 | <joebaker> Reports: Client MAC ADDR: 00 03 47 E9 C* F9 GUID: 39E5c43d-3c69-11d6-80a9-00e01825d124
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| 23:20 | <johnny> if so.. try it on another machine
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| 23:20 | non thin client
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| 23:20 | <joebaker> client ip: 192.168.1.194 mask 255.255.255.0 dhcp ip: 192.168.1.63
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| 23:21 | gateway ip: 192.168.1.254
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| 23:21 | Pxe-e32: tftp open timeout
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| 23:21 | repeated 3x
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| 23:21 | <johnny> sure.. try it from another mchine .. it might give more info
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| 23:21 | <joebaker> pxe-M0f: exiting intel PXE ROM.
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| 23:21 | <johnny> the pxe client output is limited
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| 23:21 | <joebaker> Boot failure: system halted.
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| 23:21 | I have watched the transaction using Wireshark.
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| 23:22 | It makes the TFTP request, but nothing comes back.
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| 23:22 | <johnny> so you know how to use wireshark.. that's good :)
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| 23:22 | as i said.. try another machine
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| 23:22 | non pxe boot
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| 23:22 | <joebaker> It is as if tftpd is not even running. If I do a nmap scan of the server tftpd is not shown.
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| 23:23 | <johnny> is it in /etc/inetd.conf ?
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| 23:23 | it gets loaded on demand via inetd
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| 23:23 | <joebaker> yes. is is in /etc/inetd.conf.
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| 23:28 | <joebaker> Now where were we?
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| 23:28 | Oh, yes, nmap 192.168.1.63 does not show the tftpd service running (maybe I have to specify udp)
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| 23:29 | Actually, it does show up if I scan using
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| 23:29 | nmap 192.168.1.63 -sU
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| 23:30 | <johnny> so.. you gonna actually try to fetch the file from another computer or what?
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| 23:30 | that's where we were :)
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| 23:36 | <joebaker> Sorry.
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| 23:37 | I tried retriving the kernel from my laptop
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| 23:37 | using ...
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| 23:37 | tftp 192.168.1.63
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| 23:37 | get /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
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| 23:37 | Then it timed out.
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| 23:37 | <johnny> :(
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| 23:38 | hmm.. never seen that one :(
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| 23:39 | <joebaker> maybe I could just replace the in.tftpd binary with the one from the atftpd package.
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| 23:39 | <johnny> hmm...
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| 23:40 | with that kinda problem, will a new daemon really fix it?
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| 23:40 | as that configuration you have, works for many other people
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| 23:40 | <joebaker> I was able to get atftpd to at least serve up the initial boot kernel to the PXE client.
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| 23:40 | <johnny> hmm
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| 23:40 | <joebaker> My system is an upgrade of an upgrade of a once time Kubuntu box.
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| 23:40 | <johnny> hmm.. too much magic..
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| 23:41 | <joebaker> heck I was seeing a Kubuntu splash screen on the thin client.
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| 23:41 | <johnny> aha.. your system is in a possibly inconistant state :(
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| 23:41 | <joebaker> So I un-installed ltsp-server and deleted /opt/ltsp
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| 23:41 | and re-installed ltsp-server and ran the ltsp-build-client
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| 23:41 | <johnny> well you should always build a new client on an upgrade
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| 23:41 | <joebaker> I learned that.
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| 23:42 | but do appreciate the comments.
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| 23:43 | <johnny> maybe you should delete the tftp line
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| 23:43 | and then reinstall the tftp.in
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| 23:44 | or whatever apt command you use to redo the config
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| 23:44 | <joebaker> I am extracting the binary out of the package atftpd.
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| 23:45 | Apt is hosed in this regard. tftpd-hpa is a direct dependancy of ltsp-server.
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| 23:46 | A friend looked at the Debian system and their SID package of ltsp-server at least uses a virtual package dependancy of either tftpd-hpa or atftpd
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| 23:46 | I have started a bug report of tftpd-hpa.
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| 23:48 | It works now replacing the binary johnny!
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| 23:49 | But I have the Kubuntu splash screen on the thin client.
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| 23:49 | And Kubuntu login screen also. So very wierd!
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| 23:49 | Still I am very happy.
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| 23:50 | <johnny> it could have been a bad line in /etc/inetd.conf
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| 23:50 | thus the suggestion to make it reconfigure itself
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| 23:52 | <joebaker> The line in inetd.conf is what is invoking the atftpd binary.
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| 23:53 | <Stax> \o/ yay
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| 23:53 | <joebaker> Now there is something odd happening with the login screen.
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| 23:55 | "Verifying password, please wait..." And allows password box to accept a new password.
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| 23:55 | <Stax> 0_o
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| 23:55 | try a different user mabe :S
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| 23:56 | <joebaker> Maybe I need to reboot. I will do so in one minute disconnecting my session to #ltsp.
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| 23:57 | will try another user first before the reboot. Logging out of my "joebaker" session on the server itself.
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