IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 18 January 2008 (all times are UTC)
| 00:15 | <vagrantc> sutula: well, build seemed to go ok.
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| 00:17 | <muh2000_> what is "ldminfod" ?
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| 00:17 | <vagrantc> sutula: available at deb http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/debian etch-backports/
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| 00:18 | <vagrantc> muh2000_: it's used for LDM to query the server for available sessions and languages
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| 00:18 | <highvoltage> hey vagrantc
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| 00:19 | <vagrantc> highvoltage: heya
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| 00:20 | <highvoltage> vagrantc: I saw your application to become a dm on the debian-newmaint list. great stuff!
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| 00:21 | <vagrantc> highvoltage: yeah!
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| 00:22 | highvoltage: was just uploaded yesterday
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| 00:22 | don't know when i can actually start uploading packages ...
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| 00:23 | <vagrantc> but ltspfs is already flagged for debian-maintainer uploads
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| 00:23 | <highvoltage> vagrantc: cool, congratulations!
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| 00:23 | <muh2000_> hmm
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| 00:23 | <highvoltage> ah
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| 00:24 | <vagrantc> highvoltage: still got some work on my end for debian developer status ...
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| 00:25 | <highvoltage> vagrantc: I hope you get there soon though
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| 00:26 | <vagrantc> sutula: i'm testing the new packages to make sure they didn't totally break ...
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| 00:28 | * vagrantc ponders running qemu from virtualbox | |
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| 00:28 | <vagrantc> then i could test usb support
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| 00:37 | <vagrantc> hrm.
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| 00:38 | getting cdrom icon that won't go away even though it gets unmounted
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| 00:38 | <johnny> vagrantc, is there a way to isolate the devices from the server so they clients won't see?
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| 00:38 | unless wanted that is
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| 00:39 | <vagrantc> johnny: could you be more specific?
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| 00:44 | <johnny> uggh..
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| 00:44 | i meant storage devices
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| 00:44 | cds,usb drives, etc
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| 00:45 | <vagrantc> johnny: what is behaving in a way that you don't like, and how would you like it to be improved?
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| 00:46 | <hursand> hi,everybody. Who installed ltsp4.2 on Slackware 11 ?
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| 00:46 | <johnny> devices plugged into the server
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| 00:46 | show up on the clients
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| 00:47 | * vagrantc wonders where this is going | |
| 00:47 | <johnny> hursand, finding ltsp 4.2 folks in general isn't easy in this chat
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| 00:47 | and on slackware, less so
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| 00:48 | vagrantc, don't you see that as a problem?
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| 00:48 | am i missing something?
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| 00:48 | <vagrantc> johnny: i see that as something people have worked very hard to achieve
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| 00:48 | <johnny> well, it could be personal data
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| 00:48 | <vagrantc> johnny: ah, wait.
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| 00:48 | johnny: i see what you're saying.
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| 00:49 | <johnny> i wonder if there's a way to make some stuff show up, but not others
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| 00:49 | stuff mounted by the main desktop user shouldn't show up
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| 00:50 | or any desktop user on that machine rather
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| 00:50 | but i can imagine a big HD perhaps being made available
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| 00:50 | <vagrantc> right. i know bugs have been reported, and newer versions of gnome should be addressing that issue for gnome, at least.
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| 00:50 | <johnny> or such things
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| 00:50 | policykit?
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| 00:51 | <vagrantc> and/or consolekit
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| 00:51 | <johnny> that sad part about that is...
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| 00:51 | is that many folks are upset at the way redhat/novell are managing these very important projects
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| 00:51 | <johnny> i hear folks in other distros always complaining about hal and policykit, and all these rewrites and code drops
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| 00:52 | <vagrantc> sutula: i went ahead and put the updated ltspfs backport in place
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| 00:53 | <sutula> vagrantc: OK...I'll give it a whirl (but not tonight)
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| 00:55 | <vagrantc> sutula: thanks for figuring this stuff out :)
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| 00:57 | <sutula> vagrantc: np...part of the "community"...we all benefit
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| 00:57 | <vagrantc> sutula: indeed :)
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| 04:45 | <ogra> Q-FUNK, do you really think a check for gda2 is necessary ? we dropped it from the build-dep anyway
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| 04:51 | <cdealer__> Hi. What command replaces ltspinfo ?
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| 04:52 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: better to keep the code backward-compatible, as much as possible.
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| 04:52 | <ogra> ah, right, i always forget about backports
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| 04:52 | * ogra cries for the time when ubuntu didnt support that | |
| 04:52 | <Q-FUNK> :)
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| 04:52 | hehehe
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| 04:53 | <ogra> backports, stable release updates .... life was so easy once ....
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| 04:55 | <cdealer__> to change the resolution to all clients I use X_MODE = 1024x768 ?
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| 04:55 | <ogra> in the [default] section, yes
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| 04:55 | <cdealer__> ok
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| 04:55 | ltspinfo doesnt exist anymore?
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| 04:55 | <ogra> nope
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| 04:56 | <cdealer__> any substitute?
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| 04:56 | <ogra> for what exactly ?
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| 04:56 | ltspinfo queried many services
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| 04:56 | <cdealer__> info about the user machine
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| 04:56 | ah ok
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| 04:56 | <ogra> you can qery each separately
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| 07:54 | <Tilllinux> Is it possible to boot different OS from one ltsp server? Let's assume there is a debian Server who offers to boot cloneZilla, Ubuntu and SuSe.
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| 08:44 | <autodita1> hi. i have problems umounting local thin client usb mass-storage with ltsp5 (gutsy). the station has LOCAL_STORAGE = yes and the user in in the fuse group. when i try to unount a device, it says:"umount: /media/rouven/usbdisk-sda1 is not in the fstab (and you are not root)" any hints?
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| 08:59 | <sutula> autodita1: I'm not the expert in that area, but when others have asked, they've been told that it's safe to just unplug them a few seconds after they're done flashing
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| 09:00 | IIRC, there isn't currently a way to unmount them
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| 09:08 | <ogra> autodita1, gutsys nautilus is patched to not have an unmount option at all for ltsp devices, as sutula said, you can just pull them out, what filemanager do you use there to get an unmount option
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| 09:10 | <autodita1> if you open the device, right click in the opened device window -> unmount volume ...
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| 09:11 | how does ltsp insurte filesystem consistency of removable devices?
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| 09:11 | insure
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| 09:12 | make shure the umounted filesystem isn't being corrupted by just pulling the plug?
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| 09:16 | <ogra> its actually only mounted during rw operations ...
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| 09:16 | all the other time its unmounted
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| 09:17 | (even though it appears to be mounted ... thats the magic of ltspfs :) )
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| 09:19 | (you dont need LOCAL_STORAGE=yes btw sound and localdev are set by default in gutsy)
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| 09:19 | (actually you shouldne use lts.conf at all unless you have problems or need to override any autodetection)
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| 09:23 | <autodita1> ah. that's why reading and writing to usb devices is a *aehem* liittle slow, it mounts and unmounts the device when its waiting for data, e.g. a directory listing?
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| 09:23 | <jammcq> no exactly
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| 09:23 | it only unmounts after 2 seconds of inactivity
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| 09:23 | s/no/not/
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| 09:24 | <autodita1> ah.
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| 09:24 | <jammcq> i'm pretty sure it's 2 seconds
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| 09:24 | <ogra> it is
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| 09:27 | <autodita1> where does ltspfsd log to? can't find any logging info on the client ....
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| 09:29 | 2 seconds. hmmm. in combination with the more than suboptimal copy time estimation of nautilus this is quite dangerous, don't you think?
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| 09:32 | <sutula> autodita1: It's been working well for me. What do you see as a problem?
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| 09:34 | To me, it seems more unsafe to require the user to perform an action before removing it...at least there's more chance of corruption in that model
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| 09:43 | <cdealer__> hey ... to boot the client with X and Shell I must place SCREEN_07 = startx and SCREEN_03 = shell on lts.conf ??
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| 09:46 | <autodita1> sutula: for example, if i copy 60MB to the sdcard on my mobile, nautilus' progress bar indicates that the copy is finished after 2 secs, i pull the plug of the mobile and the data is corrupt.
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| 09:47 | <ogra> cdealer__, with ltsp5 it should be ldm instead of startx but yes
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| 09:48 | <cdealer__> AH, ok, this is why the login window was not showing :D
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| 09:48 | <sutula> autodita1: Is there a light on the card? I'd want to wait a few seconds after the light goes out.
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| 09:49 | <autodita1> sutula: no, there isn't.
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| 09:49 | <sutula> Maybe we need a software "light" then
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| 09:50 | <ogra> sutula, no, we need the ltspfs-hal integration, so the apps that are already there can care for it :)
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| 09:50 | if your session sees the device actually instead of a mountpoint it can perform info actions on it which are currently not possible
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| 09:51 | <cliebow2> ogra: you dont know of any megaraid issues with gutsy? googling has brught me nopthing..
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| 09:51 | <ogra> we could even have mount/unmount options with that ...
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| 09:51 | cliebow2, no megaraid anywhere nar me so no,i havent heard anything
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| 09:51 | *near
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| 09:52 | <autodita1> of course, this is a bug of nautilus. but if i'd try to umount the device on a fat client, the kernel would correctly prohibit umounting of volumes that have copy processes going on.
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| 09:52 | <cliebow2> k..my ltsp server runs a day then crashes..with megaraid error..no commands will work except init 6
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| 09:52 | input/output error.
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| 09:53 | * sutula encourages autodita1 to contribute code/patches | |
| 09:53 | <sutula> :)
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| 09:53 | <autodita1> sutula: :-)
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| 09:53 | <cliebow2> all the logs look great..
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| 09:53 | <autodita1> sutula: ltspfsd is written in python?
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| 09:54 | <ogra> autodita1, where did you read that fat clients are supported yet ? :)
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| 09:54 | * sutula doesn't know that...ogra probably does | |
| 09:54 | <ogra> its a feature in nautilus (actually a deliberate patch) to not show the mount option :)
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| 09:54 | autodita1, its C
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| 09:54 | <autodita1> ogra: you misunderstood. i was just comparing a fat client gnome with removable devices to the current situation with ltsp.
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| 09:54 | <ogra> right and i was saying this isnt supported yet
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| 09:55 | :)
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| 09:55 | <autodita1> ah :) i misunderstood. no python interpreter in the chroot?
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| 09:55 | <ogra> if we have properly integrated fat clients that will get announced ;)
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| 09:55 | sure
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| 09:55 | theer is python
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| 09:55 | but we try to cut it down as its slower than C
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| 09:56 | so for the speed critical stuff (login manager for example) we take C
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| 09:56 | ltspfsd predates ltsp5 we took it over from ltsp 4.x wheer no python was used
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| 09:57 | <autodita1> apropos ldm. whre do i change ldm's default background. takes a while to load an scale on my 1680x1250 display =-O
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| 09:57 | <cliebow2> megaraid abort: 10857:13[255:128], fw owner..anyone care to comment?
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| 09:57 | <ogra> really, works fine on the same size here ....
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| 09:58 | <autodita1> ogra, what kind of thin client hardwar edo you use?
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| 09:58 | <ogra> autodita1, on gutsy replace /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/themes/ubuntu/bg.png and run sudo ltsp-update-image to change it
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| 09:58 | <autodita1> ogra: thanks.
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| 09:58 | <cliebow2> reboot..
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| 09:58 | <ogra> i use an ltsp term 150 currently ... my favorite thin client :)
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| 09:59 | <cliebow2> mine too..
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| 09:59 | <ogra> sadly jammcq stopped selling them :(
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| 10:00 | <jammcq> the 170 is still available
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| 10:00 | just like the 150 but more powerful
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| 10:00 | <ogra> way more expensive though
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| 10:00 | <jammcq> true
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| 10:01 | <jammcq> Gadi !!!!!!
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| 10:01 | <Gadi> morning
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| 10:01 | <autodita1> oh. i have e140 neowares lying around, if anyone is interesetd :-)
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| 10:01 | <ogra> jammcq, i have a 170 standing here but still prefer the 150 :)
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| 10:02 | * ogra likes to listen to music while working and the shielind of the soundcard in the 170 just sucks with german AC power | |
| 10:02 | <ogra> *shielding
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| 10:03 | <autodita1> the e140 is very similar to the 170.
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| 10:04 | ogra: wich via graphics driver do you use?
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| 10:05 | <Gadi> ogra: got a german question for you: do you set special lts.conf vars for your german keyboard or do you build you client with a german locale?
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| 10:05 | <ogra> Gadi, if you build on a german server you will have a german keyboard
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| 10:05 | i usually dont set the layout explicitly
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| 10:06 | but we dont set nodeadkeys by default which is something most germans use
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| 10:08 | <Gadi> ogra: I assume Xorg looks at the locale to autoconifg and the locale is set to german when built on a german server, yeah?
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| 10:09 | ...and what is "nodeadkeys"? is that a xorg conf?
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| 10:21 | <autodita1> has anybody successfully managed to replace ldm with nxclient?
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| 10:27 | <autodita1> another question: i'm not able to unmount any "network-places" that i've created with nautilus - is that a known problem with ltsp5?
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| 10:35 | <cliebow_> guys: most convenient way to back up a kernel on this gutsy machine..see if the megaraid problem goes away?
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| 11:41 | <laga> hello. is a ubuntu ltsp developer in here? i'd like to get some changes included and would like to discuss them :) (yes, i have code & patches, not just weird ideas)
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| 11:44 | <Q-FUNK> laga: the best idea to submit patches would be to file a wishlist bug on launchpad and attach your patches
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| 11:44 | one wishlist bug per improvement
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| 11:45 | then give it a couple of days until we have time to look at it
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| 11:47 | <laga> thanks, that sounds good. was hoping i could get some advice on implementation but launchpad works as well :)
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| 12:26 | <Gadi> ogra: ping
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| 14:26 | <wdg> LIST
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| 17:30 | <stillflame> should i be worried that my diskless terminals complain of an 'invalid hostname' during bootup, and have it displayed as '(none)' on the commandline.
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| 17:42 | <sutula> stillflame: You can get dns/hostnames working on the client if you care to
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| 17:56 | <lns_> Maybe I've just been out of the loop - did XRAMPERC get pushed into LTSP5 (no manual intervention necessary after install) ? I was just testing firefox and Jim K's school art site (before doing anything with XRAMPERC at all) and firefox is crashing out (without locking up the X session) .. ?
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| 18:03 | <lns_> ok nm, openoffice is still having the X lockup issue..but i wonder if firefox2 got an internal fix..
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| 18:24 | <stillflame> as long as it isn't hurting anything, i don't really need hostnames.
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| 18:29 | <laga> hey rjune_ ;) i doubt you remember me, but i think you were the guy who helped me building mythtv in LBE ;)
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