IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 25 March 2013 (all times are UTC)
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| 15:28 | <jammcq> good morning friends
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| 15:29 | * vagrantc waves | |
| 15:29 | * vagrantc wonders who to pester for access to dev pages on wiki.ltsp.org | |
| 15:30 | <jammcq> I think I can do that
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| 15:32 | vagrantc: assuming your userid is 'Vagrant', you now have access to edit pages
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| 15:33 | <vagrantc> jammcq: thanks!
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| 15:55 | well, just updated the instructions at http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Dev:LTSPPamNotes#Current_Progress
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| 15:56 | encoded a lot of the instructions into an ltsp-pam package
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| 16:14 | <Hyperbyte> Nice!
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| 16:17 | <vagrantc> although it kind of masks what's needed for non-debian distros...
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| 16:17 | <vagrantc> though eventually the ltsp-pam package should just get merged into the appropriate ltsp packages.
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| 16:17 | <ltspuser_54> Hi
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| 16:18 | I'm trying to put pam_mount working with LTSP
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| 16:18 | I want to mount a windows share on Ubuntu 12.04 when a user logins
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| 16:19 | using a ldm session
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| 16:19 | <ltspuser_54> anyone tried?
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| 16:21 | <vagrantc> you'd just need to edit /etc/pam.d/ssh* to use pam_mount, no?
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| 16:23 | <ltspuser_54> I tried but without success
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| 16:24 | pam_mount is used but can't get the user's pass
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| 16:25 | It works with normal login and xrdp
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| 16:25 | but with ssh I can't put it working...
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| 16:28 | * vagrantc vaguely recalls something about libpam-mount and ssh in /usr/share/doc/libpam-mount/README* | |
| 16:29 | <vagrantc> sshd might drop privledges too early for pam_mount to work or something like that
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| 16:29 | but this is a very vague and distant memory
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| 16:31 | ltspuser_54: sort of similar issue: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/587
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| 16:40 | <ltspuser_54> I saw that one too...
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| 16:41 | but if you add ssh=1 to the volume definition in /etc/security/pam_mount.conf.xml I think that should do the same...
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| 16:44 | Update 2: As noted in a comment, if using pam_mount version 0.35 or later: the -o workaround is no longer necessary, and pam_mount includes a SSH_ASKPASS wrapper written in C that can be used by specifying ssh="1".
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| 17:16 | <boom^time> Hey guys, I'm trying to find the program/code here in the source that forwards parallel/serial/usb to a specific network port from the configuration in lts.conf. Would anyone mind pointing me in the right direction?
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| 17:17 | I'm looking in ltsp-5.4.5
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| 17:18 | <vagrantc> boom^time: what devices do you plan to connect? a printer? usb storage device?
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| 17:19 | there's jetpipe for printing, and ltspfs for usb storage (and other storage) devices ...
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| 17:19 | you could explore using usbip, but there's currently no code in ltsp to support it.
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| 17:23 | <boom^time> I want to hang either a parallel/serial/usb printer of any type off the thin client and I thought there was a pass through piece of code as part of LTSP that opened up port 9100 on the eth side and would forward requests to the peripheral par/ser/usb; I was led to believe that it's a small c daemon that would handle this.
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| 17:24 | is it jetpipe that I'm thinking of?
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| 17:25 | <vagrantc> that's jetpipe
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| 17:25 | it's a python daemon, currently
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| 17:26 | <boom^time> Do you know if it used to exist in c? and if so what version of ltsp I should look for? I'm not very proficient in python.
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| 17:26 | <vagrantc> boom^time: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/files/head:/client/jetpipe/
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| 17:27 | boom^time: there was a version in C, yes.
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| 17:27 | <boom^time> did it go by the same name? thanks for the link btw.
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| 17:29 | <vagrantc> there's also a project called p910nd that's written in C that does a similar thing ...
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| 17:29 | i don't remember if jetpipe was the python rewrite of the older c-based thing we were using
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| 17:30 | there was some licensing issue with (one of the) version(s) in C
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| 17:30 | <boom^time> Oh okay.
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| 17:32 | <vagrantc> it was called lp_server, i think
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| 17:33 | switched to jetpipe in 2007 ... so a while back
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| 17:35 | <boom^time> oh wow, yeah. it's been awhile.
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| 18:05 | <boom^time> So the python solution would require a python interpretor + any libraries to exist on the thin client then I'm assuming?
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| 18:06 | <alkisg> Afaik socat would be enough for network port <=> printer redirection... wouldn't it?
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| 18:06 | <boom^time> yeah it looks like originally it was a piece of code written by Ken Yap called p910nd which was then replaced with lp_server which had the license issue you mentioned and replaced with the python.
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| 18:10 | <alkisg> Someone speaking about jetpipe + socat in the ltsp-discuss ml: http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net/msg38892.html
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| 18:14 | <vagrantc> boom^time: no, p910nd and lp_server were completely separate implementations
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| 18:14 | <alkisg> jetpipe: VSZ=11480 RSS=2700, socat: VSZ=5344 RSS=1084 ==> yup socat sounds better :)
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| 18:14 | <vagrantc> boom^time: they did basically the same thing, but completely different code
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| 18:14 | <alkisg> (with a wrapper shell script that converts lts.conf options to socat options)
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| 18:14 | <boom^time> right I know they were separate I meant replaced not rewritten.
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| 18:14 | <vagrantc> i think lp_server was originally from lprng
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| 18:14 | <boom^time> err.. renamed
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| 18:15 | ah okay
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| 18:15 | alkisg, looking into socat
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| 18:15 | <vagrantc> but if alkisg says to try socat, i'd go along with it :)
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| 18:15 | <alkisg> boom^time: if you make it work, do file some bug report about it so that we use that instead of jetpipe in ltsp6... :P)
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| 18:16 | We could probably include a bit of security with socat as well
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| 18:17 | <boom^time> Hah yeah I'm taking a look. I'll keep you posted guys posted.
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| 18:19 | <boom^time> did you say there is currently no USB=>Network solution in LTSP?
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| 18:20 | <vagrantc> depends on what you wnat
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| 18:21 | usb devices with filesystems can be accessed using ltspfs
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| 18:21 | but there's no raw usb support built in
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| 18:21 | you could possibly explore usbip for that
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| 18:25 | <boom^time> Yeah it looks like for printers you can IO redirect /dev/usblpX
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| 18:25 | I'll definitely look into usbip. I just didn't like the idea of multiple daemons for multiple interconnects for the same kind of device.
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| 19:37 | * vagrantc ponders tinkering with libpam-sshauth and gdm3 and kdm ... | |
| 19:54 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: Hey ho, saw your updates!
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| 19:55 | I've already tried substituting in slim for lightdm, and it works. Basically, all I had to do was take the "lightdm" pam file, and rename it to 'slim' in /etc/pam.d
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| 19:55 | In theory, kdm and gdm should be just as easy.
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| 19:56 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: so, i packaged up all the manual steps ...
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| 19:56 | <sbalneav> Yeah, I saw! Awesome.
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| 19:56 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: so it's in a sense, far more clear (if you can read .deb), but less clear on the wiki page
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| 19:57 | i don't want it to turn into a debian(-derivative) show :)
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| 20:29 | <vagrantc> well, kdm just seemed to crash on login ...
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| 20:32 | gdm3 worked fine.
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| 20:35 | slim apparently doesn't use .desktop files to define sessions...
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| 20:35 | * vagrantc wonders where they are coming from | |
| 20:35 | <vagrantc> it seems to use an arbitrary list of hard-coded session types...
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| 20:40 | though it seems we could hack that in.
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| 20:40 | so lightdm and gdm3 work without a hitch...
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| 20:42 | <ltspuser_51> Thanks. Can you tell me the difference between the command kiwi-ltsp and kiwi-ltsp-setup since both are available
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| 20:43 | <vagrantc> xdm seems to only log in locally
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| 20:44 | no clue about kiwi-ltsp stuff
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| 20:44 | they kind of dance to the beat of a different drummer
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| 20:45 | <ltspuser_51> I run Suse 12.2. I install Easy-Ltsp for 12.2 and then, to execute, I run kiwi-ltsp -c to configure it as described within the installation instructions.
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| 20:46 | However, I try to run T200 working with UDP, not TFTP and then, they are unable to connect together.
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| 20:46 | I also tried with another machine with GPXE and also, I can't connect to the LTSP server. I'm then stucked
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| 20:48 | Any clue?
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| 20:50 | * vagrantc wonders what other feasible login managers people might want to use... | |
| 20:51 | * vagrantc ponders nodm | |
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| 21:12 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: KDM crashed? Hmmm, any indication of where it was unhappy?
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| 21:12 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: nothing in kdm.log
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| 21:12 | <vagrantc> it also dies kind of stupidly.
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| 21:13 | <sbalneav> I guess the 3 of the top of my head I'd expect people'd want to use would be GDM, KDM and LightDM.
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| 21:13 | <vagrantc> i.e. X crashes, but it doesn't restart or anything
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| 21:13 | yeah, that was the list i was thinking of... 2 out of 3 ain't bad :)
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| 21:13 | <sbalneav> Hmmm, you just installed kdm in the chroot? I can probably play around with that.
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| 21:14 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: i've also rewritten some of the plugins to respond more generically to DEFAULT_DISPLAY_MANAGER
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| 21:14 | also had a hook with lightdm to set ltsp session as default
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| 21:14 | <sbalneav> Wonder if it's interacting badly with either libpam_sshauth or libpam_exec, that could be a problem.
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| 21:15 | <vagrantc> i should update the ltsp-pam package with my manual changes
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| 21:15 | <sbalneav> did you already upstream the "pam-examples" stuff?
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| 21:15 | <vagrantc> and push my own copy somewhere.
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| 21:15 | <sbalneav> yeah, do that, lets upstream it.
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| 21:15 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: the "ltsp-pam-examples"
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| 21:15 | <sbalneav> ok, cool.
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| 21:16 | <vagrantc> i made a debian package out of them
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| 21:16 | <sbalneav> between that and current ltsp, we can smush the two of 'em together when we get ready to cut the first rev of LTSP6
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| 21:16 | <vagrantc> but i think it should just get integrated into ltsp(6)
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| 21:18 | yeah, that's basically what the ltsp-pam package i have does.
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| 21:19 | takes ltsp-5.4.x and adds ltsp-pam on top of that, and, violas! ltsp6-ish.
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| 21:33 | <kev_j> for what reasons would I not have a ltsp-xorg.conf file?
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| 21:35 | <vagrantc> it only generates one if the configuration uses something that requires an xorg.conf
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| 21:35 | many X configuration things these days are autodetected or can be configured at runtime
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| 21:36 | <kev_j> and if I am having issues with the size of the virtual screen?
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| 21:36 | for dual screen setups
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| 21:37 | I can't seem to get the virtual desktop size to work correctly.. I try running "xrandr --output DVI-0 --mode 1920x1024 --right of DVI-1" in the shell and it comes back and tells me the screen cannot be larger than blah blah blah. so I tried setting x_virtual="3840 1080" in lts.conf, but it doesn't change anything. So I dunno...
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| 21:38 | I was kinda hoping it was something to do with that so I had something to go off of
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| 21:40 | <vagrantc> yeah, i think those settings should trigger ltsp-xorg.conf getting generated
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| 21:40 | i have almost no experience with dual-headed displays and ltsp
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| 21:41 | sbalneav: for my current branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~vagrantc/ltsp/ltsp-pam-examples
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| 21:42 | <kev_j> it shouldn't matter if I have an ATI card as opposed to the Nvidia card in the server and other clients though, should it?
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| 21:43 | <vagrantc> nvidia can be pretty invasive ...
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| 22:00 | <kev_j> would I need to manually set the xserver in lts.conf?
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| 22:00 | <vagrantc> there's something the non-free nvidia drivers do to mangle the mesa libraries on the server-side that miht cause headaches
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| 22:02 | <kev_j> so could I do a re-install of the mesa libs to correct it or would I be screwed if that's what happened?
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| 22:02 | <vagrantc> kev_j: you're going to have to do more research, i'm just throwing things out that i've heard...
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| 22:03 | or wait for someone with better knowledge of the situation
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| 22:04 | <kev_j> gotcha.. I appreciate it, and I am trying to research it while I am asking too, just wasn't sure if it was something you had seen or what. So thanks as always vagrantc! You always at least point me in the right direction
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| 22:07 | <vagrantc> glad to do that much, at least :)
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| 22:07 | <kev_j> oh... do you know of who might know more? or who here might have more experience with b.s. like this and dual head setup in ltsp?
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| 22:09 | brb, gotta restart the server
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| 22:12 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: hrm. ltsp-cleanup kills things like screen and tmux sessions :(
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| 22:49 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: seems like kdm somehow caused pam_sshauth to segfault
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