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Channel log from 15 April 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 04:09 | <nubae> cyberorg: yeah, I know easy-ltsp works on all distros, but on openSUSE it is far more integrated
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| 04:10 | anyway... I was thinking about some more additions u can make to the DVD yesterday... but I'll mention that in kiwi-ltsp
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| 04:10 | <cyberorg> nubae, it was designed in such a way that each distros can write their module for required configuration, lts.conf module is kept generic
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| 04:41 | <Appiah> Umm I forgot
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| 04:41 | How do I enable ssh on the clients?
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| 04:42 | so I can ssh to the client and troubleshoot
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| 04:42 | or use the console
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| 04:42 | screen shell something in lts.conf?
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| 04:44 | <nubae> SCREEN_04=shell for example
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| 04:44 | <Appiah> ah
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| 04:44 | but how can I ssh to the client?
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| 04:44 | <nubae> and create a user and pass in the chroot
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| 04:51 | <Drakonen> wth, i have a user on a mac (german) who is connecting with rdp to xrdp
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| 04:51 | the suer cannot type certain numbers
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| 04:51 | literally, he presses they key, and it doesnt appear
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| 04:51 | the 1 works, the 2 doesnt
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| 04:51 | <nubae> hmmm, borken keyboard?
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| 04:52 | sorry, have to ask :-)
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| 04:52 | <Drakonen> works when entering the ip address
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| 04:52 | its kiwi ltsp
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| 04:53 | <Drakonen> im gonna try the windows fix, reboot!
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| 05:08 | <cyberorg> Drakonen, check man rdesktop, -k option ;)
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| 05:15 | <dmarkey> stgraber: ping
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| 05:15 | or anyone, how do i get the fx160 to work
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| 05:17 | <Drakonen> cyberorg: but its FROM a mac
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| 05:17 | wiull look into it anyway :
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| 05:19 | <cyberorg> mac might have different keyboard layout, use -k option to pass the correct layout
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| 05:29 | <Drakonen> so setup the correct layout on the mac client
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| 05:47 | <dmarkey> no tips on the FX160 then? its an SIS gfx chip
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| 07:21 | <davidj> rjune rjune_ : ping
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| 07:21 | <rjune> davidj: http://jl.bravegnuworld.com/page/Main_Page
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| 07:22 | <davidj> rjune: thx
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| 07:22 | <rjune> is still pretty rough
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| 07:23 | couple of questions for you though
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| 07:23 | the original is based on a fixd width of ~ 1200 px
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| 07:23 | do youwant that? or do you want a relative width based on %?
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| 07:23 | <davidj> Let's chat in the hallway, no sense annoying Jim.
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| 07:30 | <yoshi__> hi everyone
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| 07:31 | ping
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| 08:27 | <dmaran> Anyone know where/(if) the release notes for the upcoming LTSP Jaunty release are located on the web?
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| 08:56 | <maginot> hey guys.... what have changed in ubuntu8.10 for printing on clients? I cant connect to the printer... the printer is on lpt1 (PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 and PRINTER_0_TYPE=P)
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| 08:57 | Im using jetdirect with the client ip and port 9100 but Im receiving a message that the printer may be offline...
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| 08:57 | I notice that now there are two similar packages for cups (cups-something and cupsys-something) should I install anything else ?
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| 09:07 | anyone?
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| 09:08 | <Appiah> have yet to touch printers
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| 09:09 | <_UsUrPeR___> jeez. Must have been disconnected
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| 09:11 | <ogra> maginot, it should a) work without PRINTER_0_TYPE (thats determined by the device name) and b) you shouldnt install anything, the default cups stuff thats installed should just work ...
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| 09:12 | maginot, though gadi and sbalneav changed a lot on my old jetpipe script and made it a lot more complex
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| 09:14 | <maginot> ogra, well... I can took off the PRINTER_0_TYPE parameter (on 7.10 this was working) but I don't know if it will solve this issue... do you have an ubuntu install on anybox close to you?
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| 09:14 | <ogra> maginot, first thing i'd check would be if /dev/lp0 actually exists, boot with SCREEN_02=shell, SCREEN_07=ldm
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| 09:14 | <maginot> I think that sending an echo to /dev/lp0 if all is right it should print ...
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| 09:14 | <ogra> and check in the shell
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| 09:15 | <maginot> yes, Im going to check this now... maybe something changin in the device address ... lets see
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| 09:15 | <ogra> PRINTER_0_TYPE is just ignored (it was on 7.10 as well, jetpipe never used it)
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| 09:39 | <maginot> ogra, so... echo "test" > /dev/lp0 work... printing with echo "test" | lp -d printer_name return an error that printer my be disconected (but this on cups gui applet, on shell nothing is returned)... I notice that I dont have lpr on chroot, I can install it, but together there are a lot of packages
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| 09:40 | <ogra> is jetpipe running ?
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| 09:41 | you shouldnt install anything in the chroot, the installed packages should completely suffice to get you a printer on a thin client session
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| 09:42 | if echo "test" > /dev/lp0 prints something your driver, the kernel and the rest of the low level is fine
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| 09:42 | <maginot> ogra, I thought that too.. I remember from a previously installation that lpr was on chroot, now I dont know why is missing... and I can print to my HP network printers with no problem, so I suppose the problem is on chroot
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| 09:43 | <ogra> jetpipe just does the same, it forwards all data recieving on 9100 to /dev/lp0 directly
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| 09:43 | thats identical to echo "test" > /dev/lp0 ...
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| 09:44 | <maginot> I thought it was using lpr to print in the client ...
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| 09:45 | <ogra> no
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| 09:45 | it just forwards the binary data
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| 09:46 | <Drakonen> kiwi doesnt seem to like it that the dhcp server is on an other server then the tftp/ltsp server
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| 09:47 | <maginot> ogra, Hmmm what should I do then? something is happening in the middle way, from the client I can print sending data direct to the device, but I cant print if I try to use lp, or from the server...
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| 09:47 | =/
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| 09:47 | <ogra> Drakonen, #kiwi-ltsp might be of help, kiwi doesnt use the standard ltsp setup
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| 09:47 | <Drakonen> ah, i see
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| 09:47 | <ogra> Drakonen, afaik you need some very kiwi specific commands to set it up
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| 09:47 | <maginot> and what Im thinking odd is the fact that I have 3 hp network printers that I print from clients and are installed in the server using jetdirect too
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| 09:48 | <cyberorg> ogra, hi there, just one "kiwi-ltsp-setup" :)
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| 09:48 | <ogra> cyberorg, with a lot of changes to a config file, no ?
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| 09:48 | <cyberorg> no
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| 09:49 | config file is filled up with auto detected values, it can be customized of course if requried
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| 09:50 | <maginot> Im thinking about backing up /opt/ltsp and then install lpr on chroot to see what happen... if nothing good happen I cant just mv back the backup
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| 09:50 | <cyberorg> ogra, don't resist trying out live DVD :D
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| 09:51 | ogra, you will like what we have done, i promise :)
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| 09:51 | <ogra> cyberorg, please stop nagging me about it, i dont have time for this
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| 09:51 | <maginot> is anyone here in the channel with an untouched ubuntu 8.10 ltsp install ? (like with an untouched chroot)
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| 09:52 | <ogra> i havent even been able to test ubuntus ltsp since the beginning of intrepid
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| 09:52 | <cyberorg> ogra, it's not just you, i keep pimping it whenever i can ;)
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| 10:26 | <jammcq> good morning friends
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| 10:26 | <ogra> evening jammcq
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| 10:26 | <jammcq> hey ogra
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| 11:30 | <dmaran> Little nudge: Anyone know where/(if) the release notes for the upcoming LTSP Jaunty release are located on the web?
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| 11:30 | <maginot> how do I specify other folder them /opt/i386/ltsp to be used to build the image?
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| 11:31 | ok
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| 11:31 | I got it
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| 11:31 | =)
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| 12:14 | <maginot> Hmm pendrives are not mouting =/
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| 12:22 | <maginot> I forgot to add the users to the right groups argh
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| 13:06 | <maginot__> hi ... isn't to the client have an 9100 open port ?
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| 13:07 | hi ... isn't to the client have an 9100 open port ?
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| 13:35 | <maginot> so ... lets see if someone can help me with that. I cant print on printers connected on clients. From client I can "echo 'test' > /dev/lp0' and its printing. From server I cant print in the client.
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| 14:01 | <Lns> maginot: have you configured lts.conf to reflect the printer?
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| 14:12 | <maginot> Lns, yeah, lts.conf have PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0, in the client I have /dev/lp0 printing in the printer (I can test with echo "test" > /dev/lp0) in /etc/group of the client I can see the user logged in the lp group. I think the problem is on the client to receive the request. nmap on the client doesnt show any 9100 open port
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| 14:13 | <ogra> maginot, so did you check jetpipe runs (i asked you that this morning)
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| 14:14 | <maginot> ogra, Hmm sorry, I have forgot I was just thinking of who was receiving the request, where do I check jetpipe? can I ps to see if it up of must I use lsof ?
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| 14:14 | <ogra> ps ax|grep jetpipe
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| 14:14 | <maginot> ok
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| 14:15 | if is not, any advice of what to do?
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| 14:16 | <ogra> well, it should run if PRINTER_0_DEVICE is set and the device you point to in that var is existing
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| 14:16 | <loather> jetpipe. there's a new lp_server ? :)
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| 14:16 | * loather investigates | |
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| 14:17 | <maginot> this two things I can garantee that are okay. /dev/lp0 prints to the printer and lts.conf is well set ... I will go to the client know to see what up there
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| 14:17 | <ogra> loather, thats the old one that wasnt licensed, someone took over upstream
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| 14:19 | <ogra> loather, jetpipe only exists because the old one wasnt distributable
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| 14:19 | <loather> ah. well, it's not like the protocol is terribly difficult or anything -- glad we've got one that's "ours" now :)
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| 14:19 | <ogra> well, that app is only doing 9100 -> /dev/lp0 essentially anyway :)
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| 14:20 | <loather> yeah. if you want bidirectional stuff it's a bit more complex, but as the main use case is sending preformatted output straight to a printer ...
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| 14:20 | <maginot> ogra, before I go test, just answer me this, isnt to the client have a 9100 open port ?
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| 14:20 | <ogra> the first implementation until gadi added support for serial printers was 50 lines of python code ... 30 of them were the gpl license snippet
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| 14:21 | <loather> haha, sounds about right :)
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| 14:21 | <ogra> i implemented it in less than 1h
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| 14:21 | <Lns> stupid gpl license bloating our software... =p
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| 14:21 | <ogra> heh
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| 14:21 | maginot, yes, if you see jetpipe running there should be a jetdirect port open
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| 14:22 | * Lns looks at the win32/Virut infested system scanning on his workbench | |
| 14:22 | <maginot> ogra, well, this I can tell you that isnt happening, nmap localhost in the client shell didnt show any 9100 port, nothing on lsof or netstat too
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| 14:23 | <ogra> check if jetpipe is running ...
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| 14:23 | you said its 8.10, right ?
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| 14:24 | <maginot> yep
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| 14:24 | <ogra> gadi touched the code after me, he might have more info
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| 14:24 | i know there were packaging issues with the initial 8.04 release
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| 14:24 | <maginot> sorry for havent check jetpipe yet, but Im trying to see any posibility before going to the client (its not at my site)
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| 14:24 | <ogra> but 8.10 should just work
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| 14:24 | <maginot> Hmm
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| 14:25 | okay, I will go now to see that.
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| 14:25 | * ogra goes out and calls it a day | |
| 14:27 | <Lns> cheers ogra
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| 14:35 | <maginot> ogra, now I know what is happening. And why is so odd. jetpipe isnt running, when trying to execute it I receive a fatal error when trying to load serial module (module not found) and this is happening cause my Kernel was customized and like I havent any serial device running I took off serial support. =)
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| 14:48 | <vagrantc> people and their pesky customizations
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| 14:48 | :)
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| 14:48 | <maginot> aff I try ;)
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| 14:49 | * maginot looking for the serial module in kernel .... | |
| 15:02 | <Lns> hahaha...and you wonder why things break when you stray from the path.. ;)
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| 15:03 | <vagrantc> follow the yellow brick road
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| 15:03 | <maginot> haha wel
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| 15:03 | but
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| 15:03 | I hate the but
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| 15:04 | I cant find a serial modules, and those inside char of kernel are all selected... and I was just thinking, if the module serial is required by client, so Its the client chroot that is missing the serial module
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| 15:04 | <maginot> mabe ltsp-update-kernel could solve this?
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| 15:08 | <vagrantc> doubtful
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| 15:08 | sounds like you simply need to compile your kernel with serial support, either built in or as a module...
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| 15:09 | <Lns> maginot: are you modifying your chroot kernel or the server kernel?
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| 15:09 | <maginot> vagrantc, Im checking in menuconfig but seens to be there already, for what I reading here http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Serial-HOWTO-16.html
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| 15:10 | Lns, I only changed the server kernel ...
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| 15:10 | <vagrantc> that shouldn't affect it at all, then.
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| 15:12 | <maginot> thats why I said about ltsp-update-kernels .. I dont know what to do... jetpipe isnt running on the client, when I try to run to see what output it shows me Fatal error, module serial no found
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| 15:14 | I can only think about getting serial module in the chroot... well, strange.
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| 15:17 | <Lns> maginot: would it be out of the question to simply rebuild your chroot?
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| 15:19 | <maginot> Lns, I though about that sooner this afternoon... I did some changes, like firefox and evince local, but this I could do again. Maybe worth a try
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| 15:20 | <Lns> maginot: you can always revert to your old one
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| 15:20 | <maginot> yeah, I will keep a copy
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| 15:22 | whats the time where you are?
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| 15:24 | (Lns, vagrantc ^ =D)
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| 15:24 | <Lns> ~1:20pm ?
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| 15:25 | <maginot> Hmmm that why most times you guys only show up late afternoon here
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| 15:25 | lol
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| 15:25 | good to know
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| 15:25 | =)
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| 15:29 | <vagrantc> -0700 here.
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| 15:29 | timezone, that is
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| 15:30 | <maginot> guys, thanks for the help, sorry if I bother anyone... tomorrow I will rebuild the chroot and see if it helps. cya
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| 15:31 | <Guest60212> hi everyone got a question, we have student and offcourse teachers, we have a classroom 1A with 3 terminals for the students, ist it possible to let the 3 terminals log in as the same user and use the same home directory ? or do we have to give it 3 different logins, ifso how can we maken it so that it points to the same Home dir, namely 1A
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| 15:31 | byby maginot
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| 15:31 | <vagrantc> Guest60212: 3 different logins, different home dirs.
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| 15:32 | <Guest60212> no possiblity to let them put their files under 1 global 1A home dir ?
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| 15:33 | <vagrantc> not a home dir, but another dir that they all have write access to
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| 15:33 | <alkisg> Guest60212: you mean home dir or a "documents folder" ?
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| 15:33 | <Guest60212> documents folder
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| 15:33 | <vagrantc> things like firefox and gnome maintain information about running processes, so you can't have multiple people using the same home dir.
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| 15:33 | <alkisg> As vagrantc said, it's easy to have a shortcut on their desktops that points to a common directory.
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| 15:34 | You may even use a common Desktop or Documents directory, but why?
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| 15:34 | <Guest60212> kids have to save their work under the class document folder
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| 15:34 | 1A and the teacher can look into it
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| 15:34 | and also put things in it
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| 15:35 | <alkisg> In my 1st grade (12 y.o.) I just have a common directory on their desktops, and that suffices.
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| 15:35 | <Guest60212> ok tx :)
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| 15:35 | <alkisg> When I want to send them things, I put them in this folder
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| 15:35 | When I want to look at their documents, I go to their documents (different account for each student)
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| 15:36 | <Guest60212> and so you made it so that they cant browse with nautilus to the home directories created for the users
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| 15:36 | <alkisg> I didn't have to do anything, this is by default so.
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| 15:36 | <Guest60212> we are testing ltsp now for the first time and i have to say its wonderfulle really :)
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| 15:36 | <alkisg> Installing once for all PCs and navigating to the whole lab in the same hard disk is really wonderful :)
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| 15:37 | <Guest60212> how you mean you didn't have to do anything is by defautl so ?
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| 15:37 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 15:37 | I mean that if you create a user, you have read access to his documents
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| 15:37 | by default
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| 15:38 | <Guest60212> aa yes
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| 15:38 | <alkisg> If I *really* need to modify their documents, I "sudo" it.
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| 15:38 | <Guest60212> ok didn't understand :)
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| 15:38 | we are thinking about using ACL
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| 15:39 | for the teachers and so on
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| 15:39 | for access to certain folders
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| 15:39 | local apps is also very nice
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| 15:39 | and works like a charme
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| 15:39 | charm
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| 15:39 | jesus my english is rusty :)
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| 15:39 | <alkisg> I don't know about ACL. I didn't find a need for them yet, groups are enough for me.
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| 15:40 | <Guest60212> and what are your experiances with locking the gnome desktop ?
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| 15:40 | so the kids and offcourse the teachers can temper with things
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| 15:40 | are you using gconf ?
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| 15:40 | <alkisg> Well... I tried locking it, and it locks fine, but I don't really need it because it's easy to undo any changes
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| 15:41 | <Guest60212> Lns gave me the tip of using gconf :)
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| 15:41 | <alkisg> With a single command you may revert the panel changes for all students, so... why locking? :)
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| 15:41 | <Guest60212> seems nice
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| 15:41 | whats that command ?
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| 15:42 | because our kids realy screw up things and also the teacher als always tempering with stuff. we want one nice uniform enviroment
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| 15:42 | <alkisg> I use: for f in $users; do gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel; done; killall gnome-panel.
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| 15:43 | I do want my students to experiment so that they're not afraid of PCs.
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| 15:43 | <Guest60212> interesting vision
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| 15:44 | but teacher complain constantly if something is not familiar with us
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| 15:44 | <alkisg> I want to make an application with common tasks per user,
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| 15:44 | <Guest60212> we already changed their idea of not able to live without microsoft office
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| 15:45 | <alkisg> that would enable the teacher to select his class and e.g. reset all the panels with two mouse clicks. That would make it easy...
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| 15:45 | <Guest60212> mm that would be nice indeed
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| 15:45 | <alkisg> ...but I don't know when I'll find the time for it. :(*
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| 15:45 | <Guest60212> also teacher can select then if they have another group of students
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| 15:45 | like in high schools
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| 15:46 | what is the command to change my nick here in this channel :)
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| 15:46 | <alkisg> Yes, move students into different classes (=groups), reset their desktop, create a bunch of new accounts for new students etc.
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| 15:46 | <Guest60212> normaly my nick is yoshi_
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| 15:46 | <alkisg> /nick yournewnickname
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| 15:47 | <Guest60212> yoshi_ki
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| 15:47 | Guest60212 is now known as yoshi_ki | |
| 15:47 | <yoshi_ki> aaah
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| 15:47 | it has been 7 years since i was on irc :)
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| 15:47 | so i forget things to fast
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| 15:48 | ok thanks alkisg for all your help and insights :)
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| 15:48 | we are gonna try out some stuff we learned
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| 15:48 | <alkisg> Yw, I don't know if any of it will help you, but that's what I use.. :)
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| 15:48 | <yoshi_ki> tx and greetz from belgium :)
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| 15:48 | i surely helps
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| 15:49 | i = it
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| 15:49 | :)
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| 15:49 | <alkisg> Goodnight from Greece :)
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| 17:44 | <warren> I need to tag ltsp-trunk
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| 17:44 | anybody?
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| 17:45 | tagged
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| 18:05 | <vagrantc> pfft.
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| 18:06 | warren... *sigh*
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| 18:17 | <MasterShrek> hello, looking for the source code so i can compile this on slamd64, is it available?
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| 18:28 | <vagrantc> MasterShrek: source code for what?
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| 18:28 | https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream
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| 18:28 | ?
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| 18:29 | <vagrantc> LTSP5 is build using the host distro's packages, so you'd just have to find a distro that supports the architecture, processor, or whatever.
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| 21:02 | <jdu> what is the best ltsp management software. Ie. something that would allow one manage clients, see their screens, etc.
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| 21:02 | I did already look a little at Italc but I haven't tried it out yet.
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