IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 4 November 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:27 | <Matrix30001> so that didn't work
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| 00:27 | NFS_HOME=192.168.2.17:/home did not mount that directory
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| 00:28 | oh wait
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| 00:28 | i am an idiot
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| 00:32 | <Matrix30001> nope
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| 00:32 | doesn't work
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| 02:53 | <miks> Can anybody help me figure out why I don't have a shutdown option on my thin-clients in Edubuntu 11.10? CRON doesn't seem to work for auto shutdown, nor does the shutdown.desktop method....I'm going bonkers!
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| 02:57 | <alkisg> If you click the shutdown.desktop launcher, what does it do?
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| 02:57 | miks: ^
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| 02:59 | <miks> Nothing
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| 02:59 | Then I ran it from a terminal, and it said "Command not found"
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| 03:01 | <alkisg> miks: run it again, even if it does nothing. Then logout from your client. Does it shutdown instead of logout?
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| 03:01 | <miks> Hmmmmmmm......give me a moment and I'll try it
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| 03:05 | <alkisg> Anyway here's a script that reboots/shutsdown/logsout from thin/fat/standalone sessions without requiring root access: http://paste.ubuntu.com/727811/
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| 03:05 | It works on gnome, kde, xfce, etc
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| 03:05 | Make a launcher for that
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| 03:08 | <miks> Whoa
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| 03:08 | It DOES shut down when I log out
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| 03:17 | <miks> Sorry alkisg, that script doesn't seem to do anything either. When run in a terminal it says "Command not found". But in this case it does NOT shut down when I log out.
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| 03:18 | So knowing that the original shutdown.desktop file only works when I choose logout, what does that indicate?
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| 03:56 | <Matrix30001> can anyone explain, thin client looks like http://screencast.com/t/G2RJsRM55, and fat client looks like http://screencast.com/t/8wqeUeYLAxb8
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| 03:56 | its like thin clients aren't loading the proper files
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| 03:57 | server is running 11.10
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| 05:07 | figured it out, you need to install gnome-panel on 11.10 for those to show up
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| 05:07 | sweet
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| 07:53 | <ball> In a basic LTSP setup, what gets pushed out to the X terminals? I'm guessing a kernel, an X server, perhaps a NAS server and just enough userland to support them. What am I missing?
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| 07:59 | <ball> Hello Steve_the_Pirate
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| 07:59 | <Steve_the_Pirate> G'day Ball, how you doin?
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| 07:59 | <ball> I'm tired, but that's to be expected. It's 03:00 here
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| 08:00 | <Steve_the_Pirate> am?
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| 08:00 | are you insane? lol... i thought i had it rough.. i woke up at 6
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| 08:00 | * ball nods | |
| 08:00 | <Steve_the_Pirate> came to work early instead
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| 08:00 | <ball> I get up at 06:30 every day.
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| 08:00 | <Steve_the_Pirate> normaly get in around 11am
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| 08:01 | 3am... you're in the US?
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| 08:01 | * ball nods | |
| 08:01 | <Steve_the_Pirate> i'm shocking when it comes to time zones and geography
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| 08:01 | * Steve_the_Pirate first win for the morning :-D | |
| 08:01 | <Steve_the_Pirate> lol
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| 08:02 | <ball> We're on Central Daylight time for another week or so.
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| 08:02 | <Steve_the_Pirate> i just had my second shower....
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| 08:02 | <ball> ...then we fall back to Central Standard Time (GMT-6)
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| 08:02 | <Steve_the_Pirate> this time with jeans and a tshirt on
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| 08:02 | its pouring outside
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| 08:02 | ah gtcha
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| 08:02 | its GMT (something) here at the moment
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| 08:02 | <ball> Yeah, it was raining when I went to work yesterday.
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| 08:03 | Steve_the_Pirate: Ah right, you will have fallen back from BST just recently.
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| 08:03 | Steve_the_Pirate: Where in the UK are you?
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| 08:03 | <Steve_the_Pirate> yeah probably :-P ........
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| 08:03 | London for me..
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| 08:03 | too many poms
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| 08:03 | lol
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| 08:03 | <ball> I used to work in London.
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| 08:03 | Steve_the_Pirate: You aussie then?
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| 08:04 | <Steve_the_Pirate> lol yeah.... was it that obvious was it?
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| 08:04 | lol
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| 08:04 | <ball> I used to know a beautiful girl from Melbourne.
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| 08:04 | Ah well.
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| 08:04 | * ball <- Pom ;-) | |
| 08:04 | <Steve_the_Pirate> trust me.... i'm no beautiful girl
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| 08:04 | haha
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| 08:04 | at least she wasn't from perth :P
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| 08:05 | <ball> She could kick a football 200m.
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| 08:05 | Anyway, do you use LTSP?
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| 08:05 | <Steve_the_Pirate> not in a while actually....i'm a little out of touch with ltsp these days. has there been an update for epel 6 yet?
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| 08:06 | what I would REALLY like to do, is at some point.. combine ltsp with rhev..... and basically have a pxe bootablle kiosk from ltsp with the spice-xpi loaded for VDI solutions
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| 08:06 | that would be my ideal dream
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| 08:10 | <ball> I don't know what half those things are. Is "rhev" Red Hat Enerprise version?
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| 08:11 | <Steve_the_Pirate> red hat enterprise virtualization
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| 08:11 | brilliant piece of kit
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| 08:11 | shats all over vmware if i'm honest
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| 08:12 | but it also has inbuilt vdi...
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| 08:12 | <ball> Is it something along the lines of ESXi?
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| 08:12 | <Steve_the_Pirate> and has the ability for usb passthrough and audio right through to the client.....
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| 08:12 | yaeh rhev-h is esxi essentially but based on kvm
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| 08:13 | <Steve_the_Pirate> rhev-m (manager) is the competitor to vspher
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| 08:13 | <ball> That was my guess. Is it kvm with some sort of user interface?
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| 08:13 | <Steve_the_Pirate> with spice protocol... you can watch dvd's through your thin client if you want to
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| 08:13 | <ball> I think you answered that question while I was still typing it ;-)
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| 08:13 | <Steve_the_Pirate> the underlying virtualization is kvm based....
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| 08:13 | <ball> Steve_the_Pirate: Doesn't Xvideo let you do that?
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| 08:14 | <Steve_the_Pirate> and rhevm gives you the management console capabilities
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| 08:14 | you can run audio through x? isn't it flakey?
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| 08:15 | <ball> Video through X and audio through NAS or...what is it the Linux people use? ...pulseaudio?
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| 08:15 | I'm new to this, can you tell?
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| 08:16 | <Steve_the_Pirate> i couldn't actually :-)
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| 08:17 | not sure to be honest.. i've never tried running audio through a remote service....
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| 08:17 | i only ever use remote audio if it comes from a remote VM
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| 08:18 | <ball> I don't know Pulseaudio, but I think NAS does for sound what X does for graphics: you run a server on the terminal and your client (program) sends audio to it over the LAN
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| 08:19 | I've used it experimentally in the past.
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| 08:20 | <Steve_the_Pirate> fair enough. i'll take your word on it ... lol i've never tried it
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| 08:22 | do you use ltsp much in your job by any chance?
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| 08:23 | <ball> Not in either of my current jobs, although I'm trying to learn enough to start rolling it out.
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| 08:23 | I use thin clients at the other job, but those aren't using LTSP
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| 08:23 | <Hyperbyte> Morning. :)
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| 08:24 | <Steve_the_Pirate> ah fair enough.... what do you do normally?
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| 08:24 | morning Hyperbyte
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| 08:24 | <ball> Steve_the_Pirate: Mostly drag gigabytes of customer data around and watch hundreds of servers to try and keep things running.
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| 08:25 | <Steve_the_Pirate> ah fair call... enough to keep you busy then :-P
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| 08:26 | * ball nods | |
| 08:26 | <ball> I was thinking today about picking up a third job.
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| 08:26 | ...something part-time, obviously.
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| 08:26 | <Steve_the_Pirate> crikey.. you clearly like to keep busy then
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| 08:27 | <ball> Not especially, but I need the money
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| 08:27 | <Steve_the_Pirate> ah.. always a driver to do more
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| 08:27 | <ball> neither of the jobs I have pay particularly well
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| 08:28 | <Hyperbyte> ball, then maybe you should start looking for a different job, not a third one. ;-)
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| 08:29 | <ball> Hyperbyte: It was very difficult to find the full-time one I have now.
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| 08:29 | Hyperbyte: I could move up within the company, but I'd have to be there a year first.
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| 08:30 | ...and there's no Linux or Unix there.
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| 08:30 | brb
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| 08:31 | <Steve_the_Pirate> no linux/unix makes jobs soo dull and boring
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| 08:32 | a recruiter told me my windows skills werent as good as my linux.... even though my skills are equal to each... so i stuck my finger up at him and when and got a windows job as a senior architect....
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| 08:32 | didn't last long. i wanted to shoot everyone
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| 08:32 | so i left and got back into a linux job again
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| 08:32 | so much more relaxed now
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| 08:34 | <ball> Beggars can't be choosers though, so I have to stick with what I've got for now.
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| 08:34 | <Steve_the_Pirate> you'll find something mate... just be persistant in your search.
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| 08:35 | i'm a full time contractor... learning to be annoying until i get hired was a really hard skill for me to learn once i got to the uk
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| 08:35 | <ball> That's why I'm up every night: trying to learn enough to make a little progress.
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| 08:35 | Hyperbyte: Do you use ltsp?
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| 08:36 | <Hyperbyte> Yessir. :)
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| 08:36 | <markit> Steve_the_Pirate: "be annoying until i get hired" what do you mean? insist with the same company?
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| 08:37 | <Steve_the_Pirate> when realing with recruiters
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| 08:37 | i have never managed to get more than a little promotion in a single company
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| 08:37 | <ball> Hyperbyte: What do they use for audio? Pulseaudio? NAS?
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| 08:37 | <Steve_the_Pirate> decent payrises, respect and more admirable titles come with changing jobs.. you can progress in your career faster than just staying in the one company
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| 08:37 | <Hyperbyte> ball, LTSP uses PulseAudio in Ubuntu... same in other distros I think.
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| 08:37 | <Steve_the_Pirate> in my own opinion
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| 08:37 | <Hyperbyte> Why? :)
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| 08:38 | <ball> Hyperbyte: Thanks
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| 08:50 | Okay, it's 03:50 and I really must go to bed now.
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| 08:52 | <ball> Hyperbyte: before I go though, what software does LTSP have to put on the X client? I'm guessing kernel, X server, audio server and perhaps nfs (for USB flash drives?) and enough userland to support those. What else am I missing?
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| 08:55 | Anyone?
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| 09:07 | It's 04:12 ...goodnight everyone!
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| 09:56 | <Hyperbyte> ball, you're missing quite a lot. But why are you so concerned with the intimacies of the LTSP client? There's a script that comes with LTSP, which builds the client automatically. You don't have to worry about things like this.
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| 09:56 | (I hope you read logs)
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| 13:17 | <muppis> https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/11/3/110 :D
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| 13:27 | <markit> muppis: lol, I thought was talking about "$ cat" command
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| 13:27 | <muppis> markit, so did I at first. :)
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| 13:27 | <markit> but that bug report is not usefull... he did not told the name of the cat and it's age
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| 13:27 | ;P
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| 13:27 | <muppis> :D
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| 14:05 | <lifeboy> Hi all.
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| 14:09 | <matrix3000> where should i make a note for 11.10 LTSP
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| 14:09 | ubuntu 11.10 w/LTSP
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| 14:09 | that you need to install gnome-panel
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| 14:10 | for the bars to show up properly and not in grey solid color
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| 14:14 | <pmatulis> anyone else disappointed with ltsp on ubuntu 11.10? i can't even launch firefox from the left panel thingy
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| 14:15 | <matrix3000> not really
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| 14:15 | just a few little bugs
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| 14:15 | i had to fix
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| 14:15 | are you doing fat or thin clients
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| 14:15 | <pmatulis> thin clients
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| 14:15 | <matrix3000> i actually got it working with external nfs /home directories, ldap, chrome, firefox, and pidgin
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| 14:16 | what does it do when you attempt to open it, any errors?
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| 14:16 | <pmatulis> nope
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| 14:16 | i can't get the guest button to appear on the display manager either
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| 14:17 | i need to launch a terminal and then 'firefox', it starts but i get the message 'failed to create drawable'
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| 14:18 | i also cannot log in with one user but i can via ssh
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| 15:02 | <kazibOn_> Hello, I am meanwhile trying for hours to get ltsp (actually kiwi-ltsp on openSuSE 11.3) running. The client boots and loads the kernel (first part), but it aborts when it tries to do the NBD mount.
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| 15:02 | Can somebody, please, help?
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| 15:03 | It can only me a minor fault in setup
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| 15:05 | <alkisg> kiwi | echo kazibOn_:
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| 15:05 | !kiwi | echo kazibOn_:
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| 15:05 | <ltsp> kazibOn_: kiwi: The opensuse/kiwi implementation of LTSP is a bit different than in other distros, so the best way to get support is in the #kiwi-ltsp irc channel. See also http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP
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| 15:06 | <kazibOn_> There are literally 4 members and noone answers. Can you, please, try to help?
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| 15:06 | <alkisg> I tried it a couple of times, but kiwi is a lot different, so I wasn't able to help
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| 15:07 | <kazibOn_> What is this NBD ?
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| 15:07 | <alkisg> Network Block Device, it's a method to load the root file system instead of using NFS
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| 15:07 | <kazibOn_> Would NFS be easier?
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| 15:08 | <alkisg> Both should work automatically.
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| 15:08 | But I've no idea about how kiwi handles it, why it fails, how to troubleshoot it etc
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| 15:09 | <kazibOn_> Actually I have the 32 bit version of opensuse running in my office. Now I try to get that running in a student home on a 64 bit system and have no success. Can I copy /src/tftpboot from my system with all of its content?
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| 15:09 | Then it normally should work?
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| 15:16 | <kazibOn_> Would you recommend to use the kiwi-ltsp or the "normal" ltsp ? And can you help me with the "normal" one ?
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| 15:17 | <nubae> both are great
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| 15:17 | <nubae> I can help with both
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| 15:18 | <kazibOn_> Really? Thank you. I am currently entirely uninstalling kiwi to start from scratch
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| 15:19 | <kazibOn_> Ok. It currently installs the 1-click stuff...
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| 15:20 | nubae: It sais "Installation was successful".
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| 15:21 | nubae: Please, can you guide me through the next steps?
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| 15:21 | Don't want to tepeat my previous faults.
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| 15:21 | <jammcq> bom dia my friends
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| 15:22 | <alkisg> ΚαλημÎρα jammcq
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| 15:22 | <kazibOn_> This easy-ltsp seems to be not able to deal with the existing network setup
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| 15:26 | nubae: Please, can you help?
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| 15:29 | <ogra_> yo jammcq
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| 15:31 | <nubae> kazibOn_, usally jelp is dealt with on #kiwi-ltsp
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| 15:31 | <kazibOn_> Oh, yes.... A grave is more active than that list.
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| 15:32 | <nubae> aplogoize for flood beforehand, but relevant here:
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| 15:32 | acceptance of terms at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/TermsOfService
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| 15:32 | <nubae> Even though this is really a very genral linux thing, I feel like I found the last puzzle to get an LTSP server running AOK no matter what the system has gone through
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| 15:32 | <nubae> for years I would have this issue where some people log on, yet others couldn't
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| 15:32 | <nubae> it wasnt fuze issue
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| 15:32 | <nubae> and it wasnt a /home/dir ownershp problem either
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| 15:32 | <nubae> I must have pent man weeks after weeks trying to get olde users to log back in without aval.
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| 15:32 | <nubae> Adding a new one cause no issue so that puzzled me more
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| 15:32 | <nubae> Then tjere were cruptic X messages depending on the mood if the server
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| 15:32 | <nubae> lo and behold.... I did what I had been dreading for years... I cleaned the DB by hand, /etc/passwd open in one file, /etc/group in another and the gui in yet another
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| 15:32 | <alkisg> nubae: man pwck
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| 15:33 | <nubae> one would think that somehow a type of synchronsation would happen here
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| 15:33 | <nubae> well... there was none
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| 15:33 | <nubae> other than, if i save in group or passwd it would reflect in gui
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| 15:33 | <nubae> get gui then made everyone administrator and disabled options
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| 15:33 | <nubae> in other words the gui was no good only for changing passwords
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| 15:33 | <nubae> fortunately linux internal logic did not allow all uses to be sysadmins
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| 15:33 | <nubae> but conclusion: user and group gui is ver very srewed up
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| 15:33 | <nubae> i know w've been looking for agoodgui/user/group, is there reallt nothing better than this?
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| 15:33 | <nubae> btw tested on virgin system too
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| 15:33 | kazibOn_, :-)
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| 15:33 | ok.. well ill help u but cause im the process of installing myseld, let me download first
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| 15:34 | <kazibOn_> Thank you very much.
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| 15:36 | The host here is an openSUSE 11.4 x64 one.
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| 15:36 | The host here is an openSUSE 11.3 x64 one.
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| 15:37 | <nubae> ok i'm goingn gtm zeeeron
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| 15:37 | 12.1+
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| 15:37 | ?
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| 15:38 | <kazibOn_> Oh, no. I wait until initial troubles are fixed.
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| 15:38 | I never install a brand new release again.
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| 15:38 | <nubae> ah its ok, I'm a dev, shod be able to fix it
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| 15:39 | should beiing the operative word
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| 15:39 | <kazibOn_> But not for "productiom use".
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| 15:40 | If this host fails, a whole student home ha no Internet.
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| 15:40 | <nubae> bah that so teanrstont calle 10 times a minute
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| 15:42 | <kazibOn_> Ok, I am ready. I already edited /etc/sysconfig/kiwi-ltsp meanwhile, as this crazy easy-ltsp fails.
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| 15:42 | <nubae> imstilll downloading
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| 15:42 | <kazibOn_> Do you want to see it?
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| 15:42 | So you can verify if it is correct?
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| 15:43 | <nubae> nah i believe u
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| 15:44 | hey.... so no comments on the user/groupminterface?
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| 15:44 | seriouslt
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| 15:44 | either take it out
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| 15:44 | or at least notify people
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| 15:45 | <kazibOn_> Can we go private to not fllod this IRC?
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| 15:45 | <Hyperbyte> kazibOn_, why?
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| 15:45 | <nubae> u ralise how many people have stmbled on that issue and then said bah LTSP doesnt work?
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| 15:45 | <Hyperbyte> So others who find irclogs.ltsp.org can't benefit from nubea's efforts?
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| 15:46 | <nubae> kazibOn_, sure
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| 15:46 | <Hyperbyte> :(
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| 15:46 | <nubae> perhaps he doesnt like my ramblngs
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| 15:46 | <Hyperbyte> I could start a small rant abou community, open source, public information, sharing, etc.... but... I have to go. :-)
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| 15:46 | Enjoy yourselves.
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| 15:49 | <kazibOn_> ?
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| 16:40 | <knipwim> Gadi: made a commit to ltsp-trunk
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| 16:41 | <Gadi> knipwim: got it, thx
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| 16:41 | <knipwim> i see you making a range of commits :)
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| 16:41 | <Gadi> yeah, just trying to break things
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| 16:41 | :)
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| 16:41 | <knipwim> i plan to test the sound udev script for gentoo this weekend
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| 16:42 | * Gadi is glad you are keeping an eye on it | |
| 16:42 | * Gadi is trying not to break non-ubuntu distros | |
| 16:42 | <knipwim> :)
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| 16:42 | <Gadi> do you get what I am working on with this whole initramfs script?
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| 16:43 | <knipwim> a bit, the idea is that the initramfs does most of the client setup
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| 16:43 | so less has to be done in the ltsp-build-client
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| 16:43 | right?
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| 16:44 | <Gadi> yeah, well my goal is two-fold
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| 16:44 | <Gadi> 1. allow the chroot to be bootable in a VM and managed like a normal install
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| 16:45 | 2. eliminate the initscripts (for the most part)
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| 16:46 | <knipwim> and 2 results in faster booting, and less dependency on various inittools available
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| 16:46 | <alkisg> 3. break everything while doing (1) and (2)
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| 16:46 | :P go go Gadi!
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| 16:47 | <Gadi> well, 2 is also an effort to do things in a more other-package-friendly way
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| 16:47 | <alkisg> And (1) also results in upgradable chroots
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| 16:47 | <Gadi> so, we configure other packages and then let them run normally
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| 16:47 | rather than run the daemons ourselves
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| 16:48 | <alkisg> And also chroots that don't break when normal upgrades happen (not distro upgrades)
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| 16:48 | <Gadi> right
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| 16:48 | <alkisg> and also gives us the ability to use a real client as the chroot source
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| 16:49 | * vagrantc is mildly terrified of changes in configuration file formats of all the various daemons we start | |
| 16:49 | <vagrantc> might make backporting somewhat of a hellish task
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| 16:49 | but overall, it's a better approach :)
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| 16:49 | <Gadi> btw, I am up to some scripts now where we run the daemon because we want it to work right on all distros. The distro dir for initramfs-scripts is nice because I can put a distro-agnostic script in common but an ubuntu-specific one in Ubuntu
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| 16:49 | <alkisg> And allows for configuring fat clients via GUI. And.... eh ok it shows that I like that idea :P
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| 16:50 | (06:49:14 μμ) vagrantc: might make backporting somewhat of a hellish task => I think it should be bundled with scotty's libpam-ssh and be titled "ltsp 6"
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| 16:51 | ltsp 6 = bootable chroots, and (optionally?) no ldm
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| 16:51 | ltsp 7 = freeipa? :D
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| 16:51 | <nubae> gadi... 2 scripts which would be blessiing from you and Gof would be, setting every usser to their ownership.grup
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| 16:52 | and automatically crate a user dir on creation of user
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| 16:52 | again in orderto make sure all permission are correctly set
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| 16:52 | <Gadi> nubae: adduser doesn't do that for you?
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| 16:53 | <nubae> please please.... I spent 4 days fixing the user DB
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| 16:53 | <alkisg> lunch time, bbl...
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| 16:53 | <nubae> Gadi, most teachers want to use the gui
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| 16:53 | and we should be pushing that
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| 16:53 | <Gadi> and the gui didn't work?
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| 16:54 | <nubae> read my rant above
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| 16:54 | <Gadi> Ill take that as a no
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| 16:54 | :)
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| 16:54 | <nubae> or did u not get here?
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| 16:54 | the gui is a disaster
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| 16:54 | <Gadi> odd
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| 16:55 | <nubae> I had the gui, the groups and passwd open at same time... change a user in the gui, not reflected in gui
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| 16:55 | change in passwd, refrelected in gui
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| 16:56 | couplre more changes in the gui, passwd and group and suddenly half the gui stops working
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| 16:57 | its similar to playing musical chairs, but with usernames
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| 17:01 | <Gadi> maybe the gui didn't like it that you had the files open
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| 17:02 | <nubae> nope triee closing them
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| 17:02 | seriously, the gui is really realy broken
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| 17:03 | <vagrantc> gah. lost alkisg
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| 17:03 | <Gadi> on another topic, I suppose for ntpdate, I need to modify /etc/default/ntpdate AND /etc/ntp.conf just in case ntp is installed
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| 17:04 | <vagrantc> right
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| 17:04 | <Gadi> vagrantc: does that sound correct?
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| 17:04 | ah ok
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| 17:04 | <vagrantc> Gadi: indeed ... and there may be a third file for good measure
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| 17:04 | <Gadi> good
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| 17:04 | a third?
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| 17:04 | <vagrantc> i seem to recall seeing a third when i looked at the ntpdate code
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| 17:04 | Gadi: start with those two, and we can fix the rest later :)
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| 17:05 | * vagrantc hasn't updated ltsp-trunk in quite a while ... | |
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| 17:05 | <Gadi> great
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| 17:05 | <nubae> btww... evem if u put in a new user in... it sometimes randomely gives a wrong uid and gid to the ownership
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| 17:05 | disabling adcess to the entry for the user
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| 17:05 | <vagrantc> Gadi: you've been busy! :)
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| 17:06 | <Gadi> nubae: this is all on a local system?
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| 17:06 | no nfs mounts or anything?
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| 17:06 | <nubae> on the server yeah
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| 17:06 | <Gadi> vagrantc: its mostly pushing stuff around
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| 17:06 | <nubae> no server mounts
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| 17:06 | i'm going to replicate for a thirsd time now
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| 17:06 | <vagrantc> Gadi: like bullying?
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| 17:07 | Gadi: so it looks like the common dir is just a dir for symlinking stuff?
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| 17:07 | Gadi: it's not going to be merged at runtime?
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| 17:07 | <Gadi> right
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| 17:07 | if no distro is specified, common is run
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| 17:07 | *runs
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| 17:07 | :)
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| 17:07 | <vagrantc> hm.
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| 17:08 | <Gadi> if distro is specified, it sources distro
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| 17:08 | <vagrantc> this is specific to initramfs-tools, yes?
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| 17:08 | <Gadi> it makes it easier to see what runs
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| 17:08 | yeah, so look at initramfs/init-bottom/ltsp
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| 17:08 | <vagrantc> Gadi: what about merging them at initramfs-tools build time, instead of requiring symlinks?
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| 17:08 | <Gadi> vagrantc: that gets fancy
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| 17:09 | * vagrantc will look at the code before commenting further | |
| 17:09 | <Gadi> I want to see if I can reduce the amount of packaging errors
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| 17:09 | :)
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| 17:09 | <vagrantc> this seems like it could increase the packaging errors ...
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| 17:09 | <Gadi> as it is, I feel like I have to draw a map as to what to package and what not to
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| 17:09 | <vagrantc> if the filename changes, then the distro-specific dir will break, for example
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| 17:09 | <Gadi> well, I'll work on the scripts, and then we can look at it
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| 17:10 | <vagrantc> sure
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| 17:12 | <matrix3000> if i do a NFS_HOME:192.168.2.17:/home are there any modifications i need to make to the nfs server
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| 17:12 | maybe to allow more connections or anything?
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| 17:12 | <Gadi> no_root_squash
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| 17:12 | <matrix3000> ok, i have that
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| 17:12 | anything else?
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| 17:12 | <vagrantc> Gadi: looks great, overall!
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| 17:13 | <Gadi> matrix3000: can you mount it from another machine as root?
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| 17:13 | <matrix3000> yes
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| 17:13 | i just wonder best practice
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| 17:13 | <Gadi> another machine in the same subnet?
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| 17:13 | <matrix3000> yes
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| 17:13 | <Gadi> (same subnet as the client)
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| 17:13 | <matrix3000> and outside subnet
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| 17:13 | <Gadi> then, you should be ok
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| 17:13 | are you booting NFS or NBD?
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| 17:13 | <matrix3000> ok, i just didn't know about connection numbers
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| 17:13 | NBD is boot, NFS is /home
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| 17:13 | <Gadi> right
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| 17:13 | should work, then
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| 17:14 | as long as the client can reach 192.168.2.17
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| 17:14 | <matrix3000> NFS_HOME_OPTIONS=
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| 17:14 | nvm
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| 17:14 | let me check the logs
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| 17:15 | ah ok
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| 17:15 | no for thin clients
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| 17:15 | now*
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| 17:15 | will they get those home directories as well
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| 17:15 | or do i need /home mounted on the ltsp server
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| 17:16 | NFS_HOME_OPTIONS="defaults,no lock" with quotes right
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| 17:16 | <Gadi> nolock = one word
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| 17:16 | spaces are a no-no
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| 17:16 | <matrix3000> ok
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| 17:17 | * vagrantc wonders if we can move /etc/lts.conf to /etc/ltsp/lts.conf and make a symlink for backwards-compatibility | |
| 17:17 | <kazibOn_> cyberorg, can you help me, please?
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| 17:17 | <matrix3000> you guys working on a new version of ltsp vagrantc?
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| 17:17 | <vagrantc> ok, now... to get epoptes ready to upload to debian :)
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| 17:17 | matrix3000: oh yes!
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| 17:27 | <Gadi> anyone know if you can chvt from an upstart script?
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| 17:29 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I just pushed an update, if you're reviewing epoptes you might want to pull
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| 17:29 | <vagrantc> alkisg: ok
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| 17:29 | <alkisg> Gadi: chvt in the background? why not?
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| 17:29 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i think the missing dependencies i found the other day were actually missing in ltsp-client*
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| 17:29 | <alkisg> Heh :D
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| 17:30 | And we also have a hardcoded port in ltsp, 2000 :D
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| 17:30 | vagrantc: should I change port 569 to 789, which is unused?
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| 17:30 | <vagrantc> in debian testing/unstable, i use debootstrap with --variant=minbase, and need to add in a few missing dependencies that never showed up before
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| 17:30 | alkisg: i need to figure out how debian policies suggest handling ports before i can make a good recommendation
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| 17:31 | <matrix3000> where are nfs logs stored
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| 17:31 | <alkisg> About remmina, we can't switch yet as it doesn't support multiple reverse connections on the same port
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| 17:31 | <vagrantc> alkisg: ah, fun.
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| 17:31 | <alkisg> Whereas ssvncviewer does support it, if we absolutely need to replace vinagre
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| 17:31 | (wrt gconfd dependency)
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| 17:31 | <vagrantc> alkisg: when i last tested epoptes, the vnc connection just popped up an empty vinagre session
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| 17:32 | <alkisg> vagrantc: do you have 5500 blocked in your firewall?
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| 17:32 | Also, after installing vinagre, did you logout, for gconfd to load?
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| 17:32 | (lxde doesn't have gconfd by default, afaik...)
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| 17:32 | <vagrantc> alkisg: no firewall
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| 17:32 | alkisg: log out of where?
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| 17:33 | <alkisg> From the "teacher" session
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| 17:33 | <vagrantc> no
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| 17:33 | i mean, when should i have to log out?
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| 17:33 | <alkisg> E.g. you install epoptes, it installs vinagre, and that installs gconfd
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| 17:33 | At that point a logout is probably needed for gconfd to work
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| 17:33 | <vagrantc> ah, yes, i logged out after adding myself to the epoptes group
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| 17:33 | <alkisg> OK, then it's something else
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| 17:33 | Can you check?
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| 17:33 | 1) If reverse connections are enabled in the vinagre menu
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| 17:33 | <vagrantc> i'm building the latest and we'll see then
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| 17:34 | <alkisg> (epoptes should do that automatically),
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| 17:34 | <vagrantc> alkisg: or should i try with my current setup?
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| 17:34 | <alkisg> and 2) if you run `x11vnc -noshm -connect teacher-pc:3` somewhere else, if it connects
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| 17:34 | Oh maybe without the :3
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| 17:34 | vagrantc: it shouldn't take long, so yeah please test with your current setup too
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| 17:35 | x11vnc -noshm -connect teacher-pc
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| 17:35 | Without the :3
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| 17:35 | And with vinagre open
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| 17:35 | <pmatulis> getting a black screen on oneiric with a devon client that used to work on natty. lts.conf is minimal. any hints?
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| 17:35 | <alkisg> pmatulis: if you put SCREEN_02=shell, does it work?
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| 17:36 | <vagrantc> alkisg: should i see the LDM login screen? it just shows a computer icon with the word "thin" on it
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| 17:36 | <pmatulis> alkisg: i'll try, what is supposed to happen?
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| 17:37 | <vagrantc> alkisg: so, session->broadcasts->monitor student
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| 17:37 | <alkisg> vagrantc: no, to save bandwidth you only see an icon when the client hasn't logged in yet
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| 17:37 | vagrantc: to monitor the student, you need to logon first
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| 17:37 | <vagrantc> alkisg: reverse connections aren't enabled in the vinagre menu
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| 17:37 | <alkisg> pmatulis: it should give you a working console-only system, where you'll be able to try stuff like X -config
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| 17:38 | <pmatulis> alkisg: alright, will try now
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| 17:38 | <alkisg> vagrantc: ok, let me give you one command to try enabling them, to see the error there...
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| 17:40 | <alkisg> vagrantc: gconftool-2 --set /apps/vinagre/always_enable_listening --type boolean 1
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| 17:40 | <vagrantc> alkisg: on the "server" ?
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| 17:40 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 17:41 | Hmm yet another reason to get rid of vinagre: gconftool-2 => dconf migration...
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| 17:41 | <vagrantc> alkisg: as root, or the user?
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| 17:41 | <alkisg> vagrantc: as the "teacher"
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| 17:42 | Hm. Maybe there are 2 settings, one for enable, and one for always enable
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| 17:42 | <vagrantc> alkisg: that did nothing, as far as i can tell ...
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| 17:42 | * vagrantc checks for typos | |
| 17:43 | <vagrantc> alkisg: and for good measure ... none of the execute->open terminal stuff works
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| 17:43 | <alkisg> Hmmm....
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| 17:44 | <ogra_> alkisg, dconf databases are binary, there is a compile command you need to execute to assemble them from the xml files
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| 17:44 | <alkisg> vagrantc: you installed with gdebi in the chroot, so all recommends: were installed, right?
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| 17:44 | <vagrantc> alkisg: and after logout, epoptes-client doesn't restart itself
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| 17:44 | <ogra_> else the changes will not take any effect
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| 17:44 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i installed with apt-get in the chroot ... recommends should be installed, yes.
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| 17:44 | <alkisg> ogra_: when I run `gsettings something` as a user, doesn't that take effect immediately?
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| 17:44 | <ogra_> (just FTR ... not sure that applies in any way to your probs)
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| 17:45 | i think itz doesnt without an additional command
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| 17:45 | <alkisg> (it's fun; it's the same time ogra_ replies to me on irc when he's 2m away :D)
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| 17:45 | *first
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| 17:46 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i'm curious why epoptes-client is a recommends of epoptes ... ? i have it installed, but it seems odd
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| 17:46 | alkisg: all recommends are installed in both environments
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| 17:46 | <alkisg> vagrantc: for each pc, 2 epoptes-clients run
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| 17:46 | 1 for root access, 1 for user session access
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| 17:46 | So for a thin client, we have 1 root client in the thin client itself,
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| 17:46 | and 1 user client in the user session on the server
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| 17:47 | That's why epoptes recommends epoptes-client, so that it's in the thin user sessions
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| 17:47 | When you logout, the user session epoptes-client dies, but the root one should remain
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| 17:47 | So in theory you should still be able to broadcast or poweroff thin clients
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| 17:47 | <vagrantc> alkisg: the session on the thin client dies after logout, and doesn't restart
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| 17:47 | <alkisg> When the thin client user logs in again, another epoptes-client is launched from autostart
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| 17:48 | <vagrantc> alkisg: so ... i see a bunch of these in xsession-errors ...
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| 17:48 | <alkisg> vagrantc: OK let's start troubleshooting. Get a somewhat clean environment, e.g. reboot the thin client if you think it's better, and also get a shell on the thin client, e.g. ssh or SCREEN_02=shell
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| 17:49 | <vagrantc> ... /usr/share/epoptes-client/epoptes-client: line 168: /dev/tcp/server/569: Invalid argument
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| 17:50 | <alkisg> vagrantc: eh, maybe your bash doesn't have tcp support?
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| 17:50 | but still, that's an old version
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| 17:50 | You need the new one, with openssl
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| 17:50 | The new one doesn't use bash sockets
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| 17:50 | <vagrantc> oh, let's go for that
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| 17:50 | <alkisg> Also make sure you fetch the server openssl key in the chroot
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| 17:51 | i.e. `epoptes-client -c localhost` in the chroot
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| 17:52 | *certificate
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| 17:52 | <vagrantc> ok, i'll build epoptes from latest bzr
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| 17:52 | and we'll start testing over
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| 17:52 | <alkisg> Cool
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| 17:52 | <pmatulis> alkisg: nada. must be an oneiric regression afting this client hardware
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| 17:52 | * vagrantc was prettty sure tcp sockets didn't work in bash in Debian | |
| 17:53 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I successfully tried epoptes in wheezy
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| 17:53 | But anyway, it's socat now, no point in checking :)
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| 17:57 | * vagrantc hopes to get epoptes to a state where it can be used on unstable today | |
| 17:57 | <vagrantc> or at least experimental
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| 17:58 | <alkisg> Phantomas is the very fine student that develops the epoptes gui
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| 17:59 | <Phantomas> hello :)
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| 18:00 | <alkisg> Phantomas: pull, I made some changes
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| 18:00 | <Phantomas> pulled
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| 18:00 | * vagrantc waves to Phantomas | |
| 18:00 | <Phantomas> hey vagrantc!
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| 18:02 | <vagrantc> alkisg: doh. python syntax error ... which broke epoptes upgrade
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| 18:02 | <alkisg> Eh, where?
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| 18:02 | ...python in the upgrade?!
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| 18:03 | <vagrantc> alkisg: ui/gui.py ...
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| 18:03 | restarting the service, i think
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| 18:03 | alkisg: i think line 223, if base = None:\n'
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| 18:03 | <alkisg> ==
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| 18:03 | ...I thought I committed that
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| 18:04 | <Phantomas> use is with None
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| 18:04 | if base is None
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| 18:04 | <alkisg> OK
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| 18:08 | <vagrantc> alkisg: for the exact error:
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| 18:08 | Setting up epoptes (0.3.1~20111104~2) ...
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| 18:08 | Starting the epoptes daemon:.
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| 18:08 | SyntaxError: ('invalid syntax', ('/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/epoptes/ui/gui.py', 223, 17, ' if base = None:\n'))
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| 18:09 | <alkisg> vagrantc: ok, replace that with "if base is None:"
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| 18:09 | I tested with == locally, but I didn't update the branch with that before committing
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| 18:10 | <vagrantc> ok... it's running
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| 18:11 | <alkisg> Ouch I got another error in the last commit
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| 18:11 | while broadcasting: UnboundLocalError: local variable 'port' referenced before assignment
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| 18:11 | Let me fix that..
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| 18:12 | <Phantomas> in else
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| 18:12 | line 230
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| 18:12 | you haven't set port
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| 18:13 | you give it a value only inside if
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| 18:13 | <kazibOn_> Hello, meanwhile "kiwi-ltsp-setup -s" executes without an error, the clients boot partially, but do not get to the login screen. Can someone, please, help?
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| 18:13 | <Phantomas> oops, wrong
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| 18:14 | <vagrantc> alkisg: even with the new version, i'm still getting the /dev/tcp/server/569 errors ...
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| 18:14 | alkisg: perhaps an old one is still running?
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| 18:14 | <alkisg> Maybe something went wrong in the update?
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| 18:15 | Try: service epoptes stop
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| 18:15 | And check that no service is left running
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| 18:15 | <vagrantc> many things went wrong in the update :)
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| 18:15 | <alkisg> Did you fetch the certificate? ls -l /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/epoptes/server.crt
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| 18:15 | <vagrantc> yup
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| 18:16 | alkisg: there's still an epoptes-client process running on the server
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| 18:16 | <alkisg> vagrantc: yes, it's not related to the epoptes service restart
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| 18:16 | But it shouldn't matter; you can kill it if you want
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| 18:17 | <vagrantc> it's from the autostart on my session?
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| 18:17 | <alkisg> If it's owned by the user, yes
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| 18:17 | <vagrantc> appears to be ...
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| 18:18 | noise in my logs that will confuse us further
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| 18:19 | <kazibOn_> I get a error that it cannot download boot/linux-i386,boot/initrd-i386 then an error that kernel version s do not match...
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| 18:21 | <vagrantc> alkisg: ok, so i'm back to the same basic state i was ... though seem to have the same port error you already noticed
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| 18:21 | <alkisg> vagrantc: pinpointed the base problem, will upload in 1 min
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| 18:22 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i did sucessfully execute->open terminal->root, remotely
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| 18:22 | <alkisg> But not locally/
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| 18:22 | ?
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| 18:23 | <vagrantc> alkisg: correct
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| 18:23 | alkisg: that's what spits out the port error
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| 18:23 | <alkisg> OK, gimme 1 min to test + upload the base port fix...
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| 18:24 | <kazibOn_> alkisg: Please, can you help?
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| 18:25 | <vagrantc> kazibOn_: try #kiwi-ltsp
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| 18:25 | <alkisg> kazibOn_: sorry, I've no idea about kiwi-ltsp
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| 18:25 | <kazibOn_> A grave tells me more than #kiwi-ltsp
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| 18:26 | <vagrantc> perhaps that tells something :)
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| 18:26 | <alkisg> Maybe try a distro with better support then? We can't help if we don't know....
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| 18:26 | <kazibOn_> Ok, so when I use "normal" ltsp you can and will help?
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| 18:26 | <vagrantc> we'll be in a better position to do so
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| 18:26 | <Gadi> kazibOn_: a google search shows that there is an /etc/sysconfig/kiwi-ltsp file with variables that are used. Have you checked that these are correct?
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| 18:27 | <vagrantc> and then there's the ever-helpful Gadi :)
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| 18:27 | <Gadi> kazibOn_: google also says there is a DEBUG variable there that you can set to 1
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| 18:27 | * Gadi knows nothing about kiwi-ltsp | |
| 18:27 | * Gadi does know how to search for kiwi-ltsp amd64 | |
| 18:27 | <Gadi> :P
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| 18:27 | <alkisg> :D
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| 18:28 | <kazibOn_> Can I install a "normal" ltsp on a suse system?
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| 18:29 | <Gadi> kazibOn_: are you familiar with the file /etc/sysconfig/kiwi-ltsp ?
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| 18:29 | <vagrantc> i don't know of anything other than kiwi-ltsp for suse
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| 18:30 | <kazibOn_> I needed a longer time to get that working on my own server. Now I am strying since 1 day(!) to get that working in a student home, but it doesn't work.
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| 18:30 | <Gadi> kazibOn_: are you familiar with the file /etc/sysconfig/kiwi-ltsp ?
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| 18:30 | <kazibOn_> Well, it is almist self-explaining and I filled in what I know.
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| 18:31 | Do you want to look into it?
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| 18:31 | <Gadi> I wouldn't really know what I am looking at
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| 18:32 | but since the only diff (as I understand it) between a system that worked and one that doesnt is that one is amd64,
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| 18:32 | I would look at the arch
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| 18:32 | that you are building
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| 18:32 | and make sure it is the right one
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| 18:32 | and turn DEBUG on so you can see why it might fail
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| 18:35 | <alkisg> vagrantc: it should be ok now, sorry, I somehow managed to test with the old version :( - can you pull?
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| 18:36 | * vagrantc pulls | |
| 18:37 | <vagrantc> alkisg: does that also fix the first error ... the = None vs. == None ?
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| 18:37 | <kazibOn_> This is really a nightmare. Are there working and pre-compiled binaries available (rpm) ?
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| 18:37 | <alkisg> vagrantc: yes
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| 18:38 | <vagrantc> kazibOn_: i think there's a livecd that's supposed to work
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| 18:39 | <kazibOn_> I cannot use a live CD in a running system
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| 18:39 | <alkisg> kazibOn_: you can also try the mailing list, sometimes there are kiwi-related mails there
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| 18:39 | <Hyperbyte> kazibOn_, you need to pick a distro and stick with it. RPM isn't a package that "just works" on a distro, it's built for, customized, and packaged for distros.
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| 18:39 | <alkisg> Here in irc I only rarely see kiwi support, maybe once every few months
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| 18:40 | <kazibOn_> I enabled now Debug and this crazy system now downloads and installs all 32 bit sources!
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| 18:40 | <Hyperbyte> OpenSUSE is one distro, but support lacks heavily AFAIK... Fedora and RHEL are supported, but not for very much longer... Ubuntu has best support.
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| 18:40 | <vagrantc> Hyperbyte: and Debian! :P
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| 18:40 | <alkisg> And Debian too, the main difference between debian/ubuntu is nfs vs nbd by default
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| 18:40 | <Hyperbyte> vagrantc, I stand corrected!
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| 18:41 | <kazibOn_> Hyperbyte: I do exactly that and I chose Suse years ago.
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| 18:41 | But I never experienced such crap as with kiwi-ltsp ...
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| 18:42 | <Hyperbyte> kazibOn_, then be prepared for lots of debugging and lots of "do it yourself" when it comes to LTSP, or be patient enough to find someone who can help you, but there aren't many people.
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| 18:43 | <kazibOn_> A peek into #kiwi-ltsp told me that.
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| 18:43 | <Hyperbyte> It's not that we here in LTSP don't -want- to help you, it's that we honestly -can't-. Like I said, LTSP is heavily customized per-distro. The Fedora implementation of LTSP would never work on Ubuntu and vice-versa.
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| 18:44 | And if you want my personal, 100% honest advice... I'm a Fedora person, use it everywhere... my favorite distro. But for LTSP I switched to Ubuntu, because it's simply the best supported and best implementation of LTSP.
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| 18:44 | * Hyperbyte coughs. | |
| 18:45 | <vagrantc> alkisg: ok, status report ... vinagre still doesn't work at all ... execute shell locally spits out an error, remotely still works
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| 18:46 | <alkisg> vagrantc: ok, let's start troubleshooting
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| 18:46 | vinagre first
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| 18:46 | Go in the menu an enable reverse connections manually
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| 18:46 | Close vinagre; try again broadcasting from epoptes
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| 18:46 | Btw that's Wheezy/LXDE?
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| 18:47 | <vagrantc> alkisg: yes, wheezy with LXDE ... enable reverse connections ... and then there's also "always enabled" checkbox ...
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| 18:47 | <kazibOn_> I kick off this crap and go home.
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| 18:47 | <alkisg> bb
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| 18:47 | vagrantc: enable both of them, to be safe
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| 18:47 | epoptes is supposed to enable the second one automatically
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| 18:48 | I couldn't find the first one in gconf; but it wasn't needed in my tests
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| 18:48 | Also, to see the client side errors, here's an easy way:
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| 18:48 | On the client, switch to screen_02, and run: service epoptes-client restart
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| 18:49 | <vagrantc> alkisg: ok, i enabled them both, closed it, tried again, and still no luck. it was marked as enabled the second time, though
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| 18:49 | <alkisg> And in the client session, open a terminal, and run: /usr/sbin/epoptes-client
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| 18:49 | <vagrantc> alkisg: the init script doesn't actually stop epoptes-client from running, since it's backgrounded
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| 18:50 | <alkisg> Next try. Leave vinagre open, with reverse connections enabled. On the user session on the client, run: x11vnc -noshm -connect localhost
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| 18:50 | vagrantc: ok, but launching it a second time, there's a pkill which kills the first time
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| 18:52 | <alkisg> (the init script will go away in the next ltsp version, where we'll actually get an if-up event on boot)
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| 18:53 | <vagrantc> ok, the epoptes-client spit out a bunch of stuff from x11vnc...
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| 18:53 | alkisg: where do i run x11vnc -noshm -connect localhost ?
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| 18:53 | <alkisg> Any errors? Did the manual try work? (vinagre listening on the server, `x11vnc -noshm -connect localhost` on the thin client user session)
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| 18:54 | No root involved, no epoptes involved
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| 18:54 | Just a plain reverse connection
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| 18:54 | <jammcq> hey kids
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| 18:54 | <alkisg> Heya Jim
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| 18:54 | <jammcq> alkisg: when are you heading back home?
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| 18:54 | <alkisg> Tomorrow
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| 18:55 | * alkisg starts feeeling homesick, after almost 20 days.. | |
| 18:55 | <jammcq> alkisg: hope you've had a great time here in the US
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| 18:55 | <vagrantc> alkisg: so it started, and no obvious errors (though a lot of text), and nothing on the vinagre running on the server
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| 18:55 | alkisg: did get an error message in ~/.xsession-errords
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| 18:56 | <alkisg> jammcq: yup, it was one of the best vacations ever, even if it involved working too :)
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| 18:56 | <vagrantc> alkisg: ** (vinagre:26954): CRITICAL **: incoming: assertion `listener->priv->window != NULL' failed
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| 18:57 | <alkisg> vagrantc: ok seems like a new bug in vinagre, I'll check in my lxde box in a few minutes, in the meantime let's try with socat too
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| 18:57 | * alkisg locates the manual commands... | |
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| 19:01 | <alkisg> vagrantc: as the "teacher": xterm -e socat tcp-listen:1234,keepalive=1 stdio,raw,echo=0
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| 19:01 | as the "student": socat SYSTEM:'exec screen -l',pty,stderr tcp:localhost:1234
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| 19:01 | After that, you should have a "student" shell in the teacher xterm
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| 19:06 | <vagrantc> alkisg: worked
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| 19:07 | <alkisg> vagrantc: ok, let's try to see what goes wrong. Did you manually run epoptes-client in the student session, so as to see any error messages?
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| 19:07 | <vagrantc> alkisg: yes
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| 19:07 | <alkisg> Close the xterm + socat, and try again - do you see anything?
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| 19:07 | And, what does ps report after you try from the epoptes menus, any socats?
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| 19:07 | <vagrantc> alkisg: connection refused
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| 19:08 | alkisg: er, close which socat?
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| 19:08 | <alkisg> If you close the xterm, the client socat is terminated
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| 19:08 | <vagrantc> right
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| 19:08 | <alkisg> But with the new code it shouldn't matter anyway as it chooses an unused port
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| 19:08 | <vagrantc> and re-running the client resulted in connection refused
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| 19:08 | alkisg: you use 1234 for both versions?
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| 19:09 | <alkisg> vagrantc: no that was just a hardcoded example to try if socat works
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| 19:09 | Don't run anything from the command line now
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| 19:09 | only try from epoptes
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| 19:09 | <vagrantc> ah
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| 19:09 | <alkisg> So, if you try to open a user terminal, locally, do you get any errors?
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| 19:10 | <vagrantc> alkisg: no such file or directory
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| 19:10 | <alkisg> Erm, yeah, that would be an error :D but I wonder what file it tries...
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| 19:10 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i don't have xterm installed ...
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| 19:10 | <alkisg> Ah, ok, that ^ :)
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| 19:10 | <Gadi> lol
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| 19:10 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i cheated and used another x-terminal-emulator
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| 19:11 | * vagrantc hasn't been on this side of the troubleshooting fence in a while | |
| 19:11 | <alkisg> OK we need to put it in the dependencies, unless `x-terminal-emulator -e` is standard
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| 19:11 | <vagrantc> i think on debian systems x-teminal-emaulator -e should work
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| 19:12 | but no idea for other distros
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| 19:12 | <Gadi> alkisg: I tried using the Windows cmd prompt, and it didn't work, either ;)
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| 19:12 | <vagrantc> alkisg: do you need it in both the server and chroot?
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| 19:12 | <alkisg> HAHA
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| 19:12 | vagrantc: both
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| 19:13 | <vagrantc> alkisg: and root gets "cannot execute sudo"
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| 19:15 | <alkisg> Errrmmmm that shouldn't happen...
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| 19:15 | Ah, ok, bug
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| 19:16 | <vagrantc> that seems like a nasty backdoor
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| 19:16 | <alkisg> what, using sudo?
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| 19:17 | It doesn't need sudo at that point; it's executed by the root client
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| 19:17 | I was just looking for a clean way to initialize the environment, with $HOME etc
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| 19:18 | <vagrantc> alkisg: this is "root, locally"
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| 19:18 | <alkisg> Right, it's for local troubleshooting, e.g. instead of SCREEN_02=shell you can use taht
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| 19:18 | <vagrantc> quick and dirty fix is to install sudo
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| 19:18 | and depend on it
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| 19:18 | <alkisg> No need; I'll find a way to init the environment without sudo
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| 19:18 | I thought I found it, but maybe it was needed in 2 places
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| 19:19 | I didn't like bash -l for some reason; I"ll check again
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| 19:19 | <vagrantc> well, works after installing sudo in the chroot :)
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| 19:19 | <alkisg> OK, let's move on; what else isn't working, besides vinagre?
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| 19:20 | <vagrantc> lock/unlock screen works ...
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| 19:21 | haven't tested mute/unmute ... tricky to test in my current environment
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| 19:21 | <alkisg> It should just lower the volume
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| 19:21 | (to zero)
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| 19:21 | <vagrantc> alkisg: what are labels?
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| 19:22 | <alkisg> They control the appearance
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| 19:22 | The captions that you see of the clients
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| 19:22 | Some people prefer viewing the pc name, others the username
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| 19:23 | <vagrantc> alkisg: logout/reboot/shutdown don't work with LXDE apparently
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| 19:23 | alkisg: spits out a "I don't know how to logout in this environment"
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| 19:23 | <alkisg> vagrantc: logout shouldn't work, but the others should
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| 19:24 | <vagrantc> alkisg: all three spit out the same message
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| 19:24 | <alkisg> Ah, it's a thin client
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| 19:24 | Right, so dbus isn't used
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| 19:24 | <vagrantc> right
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| 19:24 | <alkisg> OK, I asked in the lxde mailing list
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| 19:24 | And they told me to just use pkill lxsession :D
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| 19:24 | <vagrantc> pfft
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| 19:24 | <alkisg> So we can put that in "endsession"
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| 19:25 | <vagrantc> the PID should also be an environment variable
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| 19:25 | i've looked into this a bit for my screensaver that logs out sessions
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| 19:25 | <alkisg> so if [ -n $_LXSESSION_PID ]; pkill _LXSESSION_PID
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| 19:26 | OK let me push a quick endsession patch...
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| 19:26 | <vagrantc> just plain kill, then
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| 19:26 | <alkisg> Yes you're right
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| 19:28 | <vagrantc> and then, vinagre or some alternative
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| 19:28 | <alkisg> vagrantc: test -n "$_LXSESSION_PID" && kill "$_LXSESSION_PID" && return
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| 19:28 | in do_logout() in endsession
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| 19:28 | <vagrantc> should i just patch in place to test?
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| 19:29 | <alkisg> It's the easiest, right?
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| 19:29 | <vagrantc> suppose so
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| 19:29 | ok, so where am i patching this ... server-side or in the chroot?
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| 19:30 | <alkisg> Server side
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| 19:32 | <vagrantc> logout worked
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| 19:32 | reboot worked
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| 19:33 | shutdown worked
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| 19:34 | alkisg: so, with mute ... it should lower the sound volume to 0 ... on the thin-client, or on the server?
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| 19:34 | <alkisg> Cool, committed
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| 19:34 | vagrantc: on the thin client user session
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| 19:35 | <vagrantc> ah, the user session didn't havve sound working
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| 19:35 | <alkisg> Which is the pulseaudio volume, which maps to the local thin client volume
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| 19:35 | OK
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| 19:35 | <vagrantc> i haven't configured the sound support ... will do that now
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| 19:36 | * alkisg finished updating the wheezy box, rebooting to test vinagre... | |
| 19:38 | <vagrantc> alkisg: sound mute/unmute doesn't appear to work ... can upload without fixing that, though
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| 19:38 | alkisg: getting vinagre working will be more important
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| 19:39 | <alkisg> OK, gimme a few minutes for both
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| 19:39 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i suppose i should also try with other desktop environments
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| 19:39 | <alkisg> vagrantc: on the client, as root (SCREEN_02): amixer -c 0 -q sset Master mute
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| 19:39 | Output?
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| 19:40 | <vagrantc> "Failed to create a secure directory: Read-Only file system"
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| 19:40 | huh.
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| 19:41 | "amixer: Unable to find a simple control 'Master',0
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| 19:41 | "
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| 19:41 | i saw that error on boot, too
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| 19:41 | this is probably an LTSP problem
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| 19:41 | <alkisg> No, probably the controls are card depended
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| 19:41 | Gadi: ?
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| 19:42 | Any amixer magic to mute the default output?
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| 19:42 | It appears that it's not always "Master"...
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| 19:42 | vagrantc: what's the output of: amixer scontrols
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| 19:44 | <vagrantc> alkisg: it is Master,0
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| 19:44 | <alkisg> OK... so /me notes to grep for Master or something before
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| 19:44 | <vagrantc> the output is much more ...
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| 19:45 | Simple mixer control 'Master',0
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| 19:47 | <alkisg> Hmmm that's my output too
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| 19:48 | Aaaah the secure directory was part of the output?
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| 19:48 | Maybe it's a problem with the read-only nfs
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| 19:48 | <vagrantc> yes
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| 19:49 | i should have been more specific :)
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| 19:49 | <alkisg> vagrantc: does it work if you run it from the client session?
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| 19:49 | <vagrantc> alkisg: run what?
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| 19:49 | <alkisg> amixer -c 0 -q sset Master mute
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| 19:50 | (it probably won't...)
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| 19:50 | <vagrantc> "Invalid card number"
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| 19:50 | <alkisg> OK
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| 19:51 | So, we have 2 items so far; 1) vinagre reverse connections not working in wheezy/lxde (they worked before), and 2) amixer has problems on read only nfs
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| 19:52 | <vagrantc> maybe the vinagre problems are the same problem
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| 19:52 | i can build a non-LTSP environment to test with, now that i have access to a decent computer
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| 19:52 | <alkisg> Maybe; /me tries vinagre on wheezy/lxde without ltsp...
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| 19:54 | Ehm, no, it just plain doesn't work
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| 19:54 | Not even from localhost
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| 19:54 | * alkisg tries with ssvncviewer instead... | |
| 19:57 | <alkisg> vagrantc: any easy way to downgrade vinagre to 3.2.0-1 ?
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| 19:57 | Or anything else, e.g. to the version in stable?
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| 19:58 | The test is: (1) manually enable reverse connections, (2) from the same computer, run: x11vnc -connect localhost
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| 19:58 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i doubt if it would downgrade
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| 19:58 | but i could build a virtual machine
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| 19:58 | <alkisg> vagrantc: no I mean that if it just broke in the last upgrade, we can just send a quick patch to vinagre and forget about it
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| 19:59 | <vagrantc> alkisg: ah!
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| 19:59 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I have a vm
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| 19:59 | <vagrantc> alkisg: in both client and server?
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| 19:59 | <alkisg> In any standalone machine, e.g. in the server
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| 19:59 | E.g. in just the "teacher" account
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| 20:00 | So if you want me to do it in the vm, just give me a few hints for how to downgrade...
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| 20:01 | * vagrantc will try | |
| 20:02 | <vagrantc> alkisg: same problem
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| 20:02 | <alkisg> vagrantc: OK let's forget about it for a few days if possible
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| 20:02 | It's clearly a vinagre bug
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| 20:03 | In a few days the "default precise applications" will be out
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| 20:03 | And probably vinagre won't be in 12.04
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| 20:03 | <vagrantc> and no sense fighting with vinagre
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| 20:03 | <alkisg> So maybe the best way is to use ssvncviewer until remmina works with multiple reverse connections
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| 20:03 | Yup
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| 20:04 | But, hm, let me see if forcing a password makes vinagre happy...
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| 20:04 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i don't see ssvncviewer in Debian
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| 20:05 | <alkisg> vagrantc: package name = ssvnc
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| 20:05 | <vagrantc> alkisg: ah, got it
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| 20:06 | alkisg: so how much hassle to switch to ssvnc?
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| 20:06 | <alkisg> very little
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| 20:06 | It just doesn't have fancy tabs and icon
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| 20:06 | <vagrantc> alkisg: was hoping to get this uploaded today :)
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| 20:06 | <alkisg> Can't you? It's not an epoptes problem
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| 20:06 | I mean, it works in stable, afaik....
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| 20:07 | <vagrantc> i guess i could test against stable...
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| 20:07 | and report the bug against vinagre
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| 20:07 | <alkisg> vagrantc: if you want, I can easily switch to ssvncviewer, and think about the whole thing in a few days
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| 20:07 | <vagrantc> alkisg: it's generally bad form to upload a package that doesn't work
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| 20:08 | <alkisg> ...then why vinagre is uploaded? :P :D
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| 20:08 | OK
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| 20:08 | Let me try with password idea
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| 20:08 | *the
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| 20:08 | <vagrantc> alkisg: well, it worked once, and now needs to be fixed ... if we stuck with vinagre, we should get the bug fixed in debian before uploading
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| 20:08 | <alkisg> Gotcha. That could take a looong time :D
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| 20:08 | <vagrantc> right
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| 20:09 | <alkisg> vinagre has been unmaintained for years, and the new maintainer now seems very inexperienced
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| 20:09 | * alkisg tries forcing a password | |
| 20:09 | <vagrantc> might make sense to abstract the VNC calls so that it's easy to switch out the VNC backend
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| 20:15 | <alkisg> vagrantc: if I try installing vinagre from stable to my wheezy box, and it works, it still doesn't help us, right?
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| 20:17 | <vagrantc> alkisg: it's a useful bit of information for troubleshooting
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| 20:17 | <alkisg> k
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| 20:18 | <vagrantc> alkisg: but it doesn't mean that i'd feel comfortable uploading to Debian, if it relies on features that aren't in the upcoming release
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| 20:18 | features/lack of bugs
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| 20:18 | <alkisg> OK, so gimme a few minutes to switch to ssvnc instead :)
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| 20:19 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 20:19 | <alkisg> (ssvncviewer -multilisten on the one side, x11vnc -connect localhost on the other)
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| 20:45 | <kazibOn_> Hello, guys, meanwhile I upgraded the server to opensuse 11.4 and installed pre-built images. -> Success, the client boots now into the login screen.
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| 20:45 | But I cannot login.
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| 20:45 | Any ideas? Now this kannot be so different to other distros any more.
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| 20:47 | Please, help me on this last step.
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| 20:48 | <Gadi> kazibOn_: probably ssh keys
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| 20:48 | or ssh configuration
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| 20:48 | in normal LTSP, we would say "run sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys"
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| 20:48 | then, update the image
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| 20:48 | whatever that translates to in kiwi
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| 20:49 | <kazibOn_> Only for understanding: Until now, ssh was not used?
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| 20:50 | <Gadi> ssh is used by the client to login to the server
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| 20:54 | <kazibOn_> (Until the login appears)
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| 20:54 | You brought me onto the right track. Internal firewass was closed on ssh. Thank you!
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| 20:59 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i've got a patch that i think more properly falls back to python-central ... can you test? should i just push it?
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| 21:02 | <alkisg> vagrantc: push it and i'll test it in a while
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| 21:06 | <vagrantc> alkisg: pushed
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| 21:06 | alkisg: actually, i'll also give it a test spin ... i've got a lucid sbuild environment to test with
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| 21:07 | <alkisg> Blasphemous :D
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| 21:08 | (it's the uds ending, so /me works slowly... :))
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| 21:12 | <vagrantc> alkisg: ahhh
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| 21:16 | <alkisg> vagrantc: the python-central change resulted in the exact same package contents, so it's fine ;)
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| 21:18 | <vagrantc> alkisg: as far as i can tell, it didn't even use python central the first time
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| 21:18 | alkisg: failed to build for me with my changems
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| 21:18 | <alkisg> Yes that was due to the dh_python2 change
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| 21:18 | Ah
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| 21:19 | <vagrantc> alkisg: seems like python-distutils-extra depends on python-central, at least on debian
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| 21:19 | <alkisg> Depends: python, python-central (>= 0.6.11), intltool
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| 21:19 | <vagrantc> so i guess the dependency chain isn't needed.
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| 21:20 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I think I'll switch to remmina, and use a different server port for each client. I like its tabbed interface better than ssvnc.
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| 21:20 | So no 5500 for all clients (due to the remmina bug), but a random unused port for each client
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| 21:21 | <alkisg> That will take a bit longer than ssvnc though, I hope by tonight it'll be ready
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| 21:21 | <vagrantc> alkisg: ok. will give up on that part for now.
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| 21:21 | <alkisg> Unless if you're in a hurry, so I can put ssvnc and change it to remmina after 2 days :D
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| 21:21 | ssnvc = 10 minutes
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| 21:22 | <jammcq> alkisg: did you meet lots of new people at UDS ?
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| 21:22 | <alkisg> jammcq: yup, I also finally put faces to names I've known from irc for a long time
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| 21:23 | <jammcq> cool
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| 21:23 | did yo meet Jorge Castro?
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| 21:23 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i'm impatient, but it's probably not worth reimplementing something 2 days later :)
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| 21:24 | alkisg: the only other thing i'm curious about is openssl/gpl compatibility issues ...
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| 21:24 | alkisg: i *think* we're safe because we're just calling the binaries
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| 21:25 | alkisg: there were *slight* differences with my new patch (adjusted for dependency differences)
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| 21:26 | <alkisg> jammcq: nope
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| 21:26 | vagrantc: I'll put ssvnc in a few minutes so that you can upload, and I'll give remmina a better review in a couple of days
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| 21:28 | vagrantc: I'll put ssvnc | vinagre in depends,
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| 21:28 | so that it won't install ssvnc on systems that already have vinagre,
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| 21:28 | but it'll install ssvnc on systems like lxde which don't have any
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| 21:28 | <vagrantc> which... won't work
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| 21:29 | <alkisg> vagrantc: it may be a problem only on wheezy...
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| 21:29 | <vagrantc> i guess then we'll get bug reports we can forward to the vinagre developers
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| 21:30 | <alkisg> Should I remove vinagre completely? I don't mind, it's just a "temporary" "stable" "release" which will change in 2 days
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| 21:31 | <vagrantc> hard call ... it would be trivial to backport to stable if it still supported vinagre ...
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| 21:32 | <alkisg> ssvnc can be backported too
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| 21:32 | <vagrantc> apparently ssvnc is in debian stable as well...
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| 21:32 | <alkisg> Anyway, I'll remove vinagre, put ssvnc, and we can change it in 2 days however we want
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| 21:32 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 21:38 | alkisg: i think we should move all the build-depends-indep into build-depends ...
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| 21:38 | * alkisg has no clue about that | |
| 21:38 | <alkisg> I was only copying whatever I found on google...
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| 21:42 | <vagrantc> i'm not positive, but reading policy, it fails to run debian/rules clean without python-distutils-extra installed, so that sounds like more appropriate for build-dep that build-dep-indep
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| 21:59 | * alkisg puts xvnc4viewer instead, as we already install it with epoptes-client | |
| 22:00 | <vagrantc> whatever works :)
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| 22:01 | <vagrantc> hrm.
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| 22:01 | after upgrade, epoptes doesn't register the clients anymore...
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| 22:02 | <alkisg> The clients need to be rebooted, right?
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| 22:02 | <alkisg> We don't have a reconnection strategy now, other than if-up...
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| 22:03 | <vagrantc> even after reboot, the server-side doesn't listen to rebooted clients...
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| 22:03 | after client reboot
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| 22:03 | have to manually restart epoptes on the server ...
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| 22:03 | * vagrantc will check the postinst | |
| 22:04 | <alkisg> It worked for me so far...
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| 22:05 | <orp> any one now a good alive tin client ?
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| 22:05 | i need lite
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| 22:05 | please
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| 22:08 | <Matrix30001> ha, so my nfs got hacked
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| 22:08 | i failed
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| 22:08 | not sudo omg hacked
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| 22:08 | but script kiddy dos attack hacked
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| 22:08 | :(
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| 22:09 | fixed it though, learned a thing or two
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| 22:11 | <alkisg> vagrantc: pull
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| 22:11 | <vagrantc> alkisg: regarding x-terminal-emulator, debian policy requires it to support -e and -T
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| 22:11 | alkisg: no idea about cross-distro support
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| 22:11 | <alkisg> Ah, we can put that instead of xterm then
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| 22:11 | And even depend on it
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| 22:12 | let me check a fedora 13 box...
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| 22:12 | <vagrantc> i'm pretty sure it's a debian-ism
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| 22:12 | <alkisg> !ask | echo orp:
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| 22:12 | <ltsp> orp: ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least 15 minutes after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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| 22:13 | <alkisg> vagrantc: erm, ok, this fedora 13 server doesn't have X installed, so can't check :D
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| 22:13 | vagrantc: well we can make a wrapper and check between various known terminal versions, if it helps
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| 22:14 | E.g. if xterm is around, use it, otherwise use x-terminal-emulator, etc
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| 22:14 | <vagrantc> alkisg: rather if x-terminal-emulator is around, use it, fall back to xterm ?
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| 22:14 | that would be simple enough
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| 22:15 | <alkisg> vagrantc: well, won't x-terminal-emulator always be around, if xterm is there?
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| 22:15 | I was thinking of the case where x-terminal-emulator points to an emulator that doesn't support -e
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| 22:16 | <vagrantc> alkisg: that would be a policy violation, and a bug.
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| 22:16 | <vagrantc> alkisg: so x-terminal-emulator should always support -e
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| 22:16 | <alkisg> A non-fedora-policy violation?
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| 22:16 | *non-debian
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| 22:17 | <vagrantc> i'm pretty sure you'll only see it in the debian world
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| 22:17 | <alkisg> Ah
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| 22:17 | I thought the -e stuff was a debian-ism, not the whole x-terminal-emulator stuff :)
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| 22:20 | (btw sorry about the dependencies reordering - I like them in alphabetical order)
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| 22:21 | <vagrantc> alkisg: so i should be able to connect to the ldm screen?
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| 22:21 | <alkisg> vagrantc: vnc to it? no
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| 22:21 | It only works with the user session
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| 22:21 | <vagrantc> ah, ok.
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| 22:25 | <alkisg> (although it's just 2 lines if we want to be able to do that... :))
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| 22:26 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 22:27 | alkisg: *sigh* python tracebacks...
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| 22:28 | <alkisg> :-/ pastebin?
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| 22:28 | <vagrantc> although vncviewer just seems to sit there waiting for a connection
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| 22:29 | alkisg: http://paste.debian.net/142774/
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| 22:31 | <alkisg> Ough. That looks lxde related... vagrantc, which notification daemon are you using? notification-daemon | xfce4-notifyd ?
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| 22:32 | Also I think it should be unrelated to the vnc stuff
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| 22:32 | <vagrantc> alkisg: notification-daemon is installed
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| 22:32 | and running
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| 22:32 | <alkisg> vagrantc: btw, close vinagre and ssvnc, ok?
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| 22:33 | I.e. don't have anything listening on 5500 when you launch epoptes
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| 22:33 | <vagrantc> far as i can tell, nothing is
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| 22:34 | <alkisg> If you run x11vnc -connect server-ip from somewhere, does it pop up a window?
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| 22:34 | Ah you mean xvnc4viewer too isn't listening on 5500?
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| 22:34 | epoptes launches that on the first vnc attempt
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| 22:34 | And closes it on exit
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| 22:36 | <vagrantc> xvnc4viewer is listening on 5500
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| 22:37 | <alkisg> vagrantc: and (12:34:18 πμ) alkisg: If you run x11vnc -connect server-ip from somewhere, does it pop up a window?
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| 22:37 | E.g. from the "student" session, x11vnc -noshm -connect_or_exit localhost
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| 22:37 | <vagrantc> alkisg: works from the "teacher" session, but not from the "student" session.
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| 22:37 | <alkisg> Put -noshm too
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| 22:39 | Phantomas: when you're back, check http://paste.debian.net/142774/
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| 22:39 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i get a popup "setPF: not 8, 16, or 32 bpp?"
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| 22:39 | <alkisg> Ah
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| 22:39 | try -noshm -24to32 ...
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| 22:40 | x11vnc says that some graphics cards have a bug there
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| 22:40 | <vagrantc> alkisg: works!
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| 22:40 | <alkisg> Cool, you commit it or me?
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| 22:40 | (time for the uds party! :))
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| 22:41 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i'll try to find it
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| 22:41 | alkisg: so always add the -24to32 ?
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| 22:57 | <alkisg> vagrantc: yup, always add the -24to32
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| 22:58 | We had to put that in the broadcasting command too, it's already there for the broadcast
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