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Channel log from 30 July 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:07 | <coordinador> guys?
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| 00:25 | <class1> did they take out hda_intel_sound of the kernel(?) with 9.04 ?
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| 00:25 | or do something different. after some thought, i'm beggining to think it's related to pulse & the intel 82801 sound
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| 00:28 | think i've got it finally. pulseaudio which sits on top of alsa. the intel chip is ich2, which does not appear is supported by alsa
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| 00:28 | http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Vendor-Intel
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| 00:46 | <Ahmuck> http://pastebin.be/20082
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| 00:47 | so it appears that the server kernel has the module for the intel sound. the alsa doesn't show support for 82801BA but does show it for 82801AA
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| 00:47 | so i'm hoping that it will work the same
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| 00:48 | soo .... do i need to load that kernel module on the server side to get the client to work properly?
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| 00:54 | provided i can get sound resolved, the thin clients have ati rage 128 video cards in them. is there a way to utilize the video cards in them?
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| 00:57 | *** mark
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| 00:57 | *** mark 15436
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| 01:07 | <coordinador> :''''(
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| 01:08 | or english?
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| 01:09 | bye all
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| 01:51 | <jonkke> does anyone know good ways to make firefox lighter? i'm trying to run it as local_app on futro A250 client (geode@500mhz and 256mb ram) and it's quite slow and with youtube it's even slower
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| 02:36 | <nelson__> hi all! anyone with experience in multiple server ltsp 5 setup?
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| 02:39 | <Ryan52> cluster? or different servers for different purposes?
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| 02:46 | <coldfusion> hiya
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| 02:46 | so like... i cant get the init scripts going on my gentoo system
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| 02:47 | do they actually do anything to improve performance? because i can easily log in and run X on my client
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| 02:47 | without ldm etc etc
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| 02:51 | <nelson__> this i an interesting question. I read about ltsp-cluster, but i can't figure out what it can give to me that i can't achive splitting my client between the two servers i have
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| 03:13 | <DawnLight> hello. i think i'm having some nbd/squashfs errors. can you tell me please if these are ok or are they really errors? around line 380 at http://pastebin.com/f59984166
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| 06:12 | <ogra> vagrantc, you dont happen to see NCommander anywhere near you, do you ?
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| 06:12 | * ogra urgently needs to talk to him | |
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| 06:40 | <Vplug> !help
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| 06:40 | <ltspbot> Vplug: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
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| 06:44 | <ogra> vagrantc, you dont happen to see NCommander anywhere near you, do you ? i urgently need to talk to him
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| 06:45 | <vagrantc> ogra: not at the moment...
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| 06:45 | <ogra> thanks
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| 06:45 | <vagrantc> ogra: if i do, i'll poke em
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| 06:45 | <ogra> thanks even more :)
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| 08:06 | <rjune_> !o
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| 08:06 | <ltspbot> rjune_: "o" is o is for ogra!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:06 | <rjune_> how goes it
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| 08:34 | <coordinador> hi all
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| 08:34 | please help
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| 08:35 | <vagrantc> !question
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| 08:35 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "question" is if you have a question about ltsp, please go ahead and ask it, and people will respond if they can. please also mention the linux distro and release you're using. :)
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| 08:35 | <coordinador> suddenly i lost keyboard layout and gnome theme, and the new configs doesnt take effect
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| 08:35 | i rebooted
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| 08:35 | i logon as root
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| 08:36 | but cannot change config, even i checked with gconf editor and there appeared es,latam (correct) but it just doesnt take effect
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| 08:37 | im desperated since yesterday and people will come, i ve searched in web but cannot fix it, i really dont know what it should be
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| 08:39 | and i ve just discovered that i cannot put the keyboard layout thing in the panel because it crashes
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| 08:40 | my ubuntu is 9.04 and its fully updated
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| 08:41 | this is the element> OAFIID:GNOME_KeyboardApplet
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| 08:43 | <alkisg> coordinador: this isn't really an ltsp question, but anyway, why do you use the gnome keyboard layout instead of using sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup ?
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| 08:43 | The latter affects all users, not only the current user...
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| 08:44 | <coordinador> ill check with that command
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| 08:45 | i selected international 105keyboard and i got
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| 08:45 | Unsupported settings in configuration file
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| 08:45 | :s
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| 08:45 | "The configuration file /etc/default/console-setup specifies a keyboard layout and variant that are not supported by the configuration program."
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| 08:46 | <alkisg> coordinador: upload this file to pastebin
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| 08:46 | !pastebot
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| 08:46 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 08:47 | <coordinador> ok
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| 08:48 | <ltsppbot> "coordinador" pasted "/etc/default/console-setup" (49 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/459
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| 08:50 | <coordinador> alkisg, done.
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| 08:51 | <alkisg> coordinador: moment...
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| 08:55 | ok, back
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| 08:55 | coordinador: I don't know what the typical settings for "es" are
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| 08:55 | How do you change languages? E.g. in greece we use alt+shift...
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| 08:56 | So for me, XKBOPTIONS="grp:alt_shift_toggle,compose:menu,grp_led:scroll"
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| 08:56 | <coordinador> ive never done that, is that configuration bad?
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| 08:57 | <alkisg> I don't know, but it's something that dpkg-reconfigure console-setup doesn't know about
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| 08:57 | <coordinador> there is something wrong in the file?
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| 08:57 | i think 'es' is for spanish
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| 08:58 | is it bad configured, i ve never touched that file
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| 08:58 | ?
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| 08:59 | <alkisg> Do you usually use alt+shift to change between es / us ?
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| 08:59 | <matttttt> is there anything faster than nxagent for slow links?
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| 08:59 | is nomad or rdp any faster? or do they require less bandwidth to be usable
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| 08:59 | we have a few sites that we'd like to have clients at that are connected by t1, my tests using 1 client over a full t1 (simulated between to netopias @ 1.54mbit) is painfully slow.
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| 09:00 | <coordinador> alkisg, i ve never used that, i dont need us keyboard layout
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| 09:00 | ive discovered another thing, ill use pastebin, i think thats the problem
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| 09:00 | <matttttt> enabling nxagent didn't even make a perceptable difference in performance
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| 09:00 | and it takes like 5 minutes for a client to boot :(
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| 09:01 | <ltsppbot> "coordinador" pasted "after execute gnome-settings-daemon in console" (11 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/460
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| 09:01 | <alkisg> (04:35:20 μμ) coordinador: but cannot change config, even i checked with gconf editor and there appeared es,latam ==> what is "latam" ?
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| 09:01 | <coordinador> latam is latin american keyboard layout
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| 09:02 | <alkisg> So you do need to switch between 2 keyboard layouts. What keyboard combinations do you use to switch?
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| 09:02 | <coordinador> this configuration was set by keyboard configuration application automatically, not by hand
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| 09:02 | check what ive pasted
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| 09:04 | <coordinador> when i run gnome-settings-daemon, besides this error, the configuration takes effect for half a second
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| 09:05 | (the theme configuration, ive not checked the keyboard configuration but the problem could be generated by the same cause)
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| 09:05 | * alkisg leaves this for someone that has actually used a spanish layout | |
| 09:05 | <alkisg> But coordinador you'd better ask in #ubuntu, this isn't ltsp specific...
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| 09:05 | <coordinador> ok, ill do, thanks for all, you guided me
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| 09:12 | <rinovan> client hang after boot , how to repair this?
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| 09:13 | ltsp running on jaunty amd64
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| 09:13 | on other client running well
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| 09:30 | <coordinador> i think it could be a problem related with ltsp since when i execute gnome-settings-daemon from console i get: "** (gnome-settings-daemon:22323): WARNING **: Unable to start xrandr manager: unhandled X error while getting the range of screen sizes not present."
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| 09:42 | <coordinador> hi CAN-o-SPAM
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| 09:47 | <vagrantc> CAN-o-SPAM: has disklessworkstations looked at any of the arm or mips based thin clients?
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| 09:58 | !seen nubae
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| 09:58 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: nubae was last seen in #ltsp 17 hours, 59 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <nubae> release? You mean kill the process?
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| 10:11 | <matttttt> is enabling nxagent the same thing as: http://www.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/FreeNX ?
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| 10:12 | that page is quoted saying "because protocols used by FreeNX are extremely efficient you can use it to access an LTSP server over a remote WAN access. Some people have also stated that the performance is more than acceptable over dial up." uh, i just tried 1 client over a dedicated t1 with no other traffic happening and it took over 5 minutes to boot and was almost unusable it was so slow once logged in, am i missing something?
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| 10:22 | <coordinador> hi
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| 10:22 | <alkisg> I'm using nfs for the first time, I just tried "cp -a <some-local-folder-with-6-gb> <nfsshare>". That's on a 100 mbps network. I'm waiting for 5 minutes, how slow is nfs?!!!
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| 10:32 | <rjune_> can be pretty slow
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| 10:39 | <alkisg> Well, 20 minutes later, still waiting :( Can I use <ctrl+Z; bg> or will that break the transfer?
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| 10:44 | <rjune_> you can use it
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| 10:45 | <alkisg> thanks, rjune_ :)
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| 10:45 | <rjune_> I think cp -av would clue you in where it was
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| 10:45 | where it is.
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| 10:45 | Look up performance nfs, IIRC, setting noatime on nfs is a big perf boost
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| 10:46 | but yeah, NFS is pretty slow usually.
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| 10:46 | <alkisg> Ah, I'll try that, though my files are extremely large so I don't think it'll have any boost
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| 10:46 | I.e. 100+ Mb each
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| 10:46 | <rjune_> Ah, probably not then.
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| 10:46 | still, google nfs performance.
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| 10:46 | there's probably a bit you can do
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| 10:46 | <alkisg> I tried another ssh shell, and `ls`, and it stuck there
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| 10:47 | <rjune_> it will
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| 10:47 | are you doing cp from local to the nfs mount?
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| 10:47 | <alkisg> Does the copy need to finish before any other requests are served?
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| 10:47 | Yes
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| 10:47 | <rjune_> Usually for big transfers like that I use rsync over ssh or scp
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| 10:47 | <Lumiere> yea
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| 10:47 | rsync over ssh is the best way
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| 10:47 | <rjune_> nfs is in the kernel, so it'll block things in strange ways.
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| 10:47 | <Lumiere> cause if it fails
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| 10:47 | you just kill it and restart
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| 10:47 | and it picks back up
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| 10:48 | <rjune_> alkisg: rsync -Wav --progress -e ssh /path/to/src user@server:/path/to/dest
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| 10:48 | <alkisg> Yeah, the problem is that I have limited access to the other machine, all I could convince the admin there to give me was this louzy nfs share :(
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| 10:48 | <rjune_> Ugh.
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| 10:48 | <Lumiere> wait
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| 10:48 | they'll give nfs
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| 10:48 | but not ssh?
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| 10:48 | <rjune_> Still, in general I prefer rsync to do copies.
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| 10:48 | <alkisg> Yup :)
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| 10:48 | * Lumiere attempts not to fall over laughing | |
| 10:49 | <rjune_> rsync -Wav /src /dest
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| 10:49 | <alkisg> I don't even have an account there
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| 10:49 | <rjune_> alkisg: you have to have something, NFS requires a unix id
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| 10:49 | <alkisg> It's the "web server" for a repository I'm trying to set up
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| 10:49 | rjune_: guess so, but I wasn't notified of any passwords or other login data
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| 10:49 | <Ahmuck> u have a trust issue
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| 10:50 | <rjune_> you won't have a password. just a uid.
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| 10:50 | <Ahmuck> u'll need to resolve that first
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| 10:50 | <rjune_> though they may be doing anonymous nfs
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| 10:50 | <alkisg> rjune_: Hmmm ok, can that uid help me somehow?
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| 10:50 | <rjune_> nope
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| 10:50 | it's used by the server for permissions
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| 10:50 | <Ahmuck> trust issues can be ok, provided they are not arcane. however i've found where there are trust issues, i normally don't work for that company if those trust issues are inhibiting my ability to get the job done
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| 10:51 | <Ahmuck> anywhwo. so i think i may have stumbled upon my sound issue
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| 10:51 | <alkisg> Ahmuck: I don't really need/want an account to their web server... It's just that I didn't know nfs was so slow. I'd ftp the files for the first time and use nfs later, if I knew that..
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| 10:52 | <Ahmuck> i think it's intels 80210 chipset
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| 10:52 | from what i can gather, the kernel module is on the server, but 1. i've never inserted a module, and 2. should this be done server side or client side?
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| 10:54 | what bugs me, is that this is the second round of "older" computers that i've tested, and something's usually broke in 9.04. this causes me concern that ltsp may not be the mouse's cheese party as one might suppose
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| 10:55 | hrm, looks like i killed the conversation. /me needs to do some paperwork ...
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| 10:55 | <rjune_> !g
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| 10:58 | <Ahmuck> !a
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| 10:58 | <ltspbot> Ahmuck: "a" is Awesome Ahmuck
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| 10:58 | <Ahmuck> !g
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| 10:58 | <ltspbot> Ahmuck: "g" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 11:02 | <alkisg> Ah, the joy of good old ftp (and midnight commander for displaying the progress...) :)
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| 11:04 | * Gadi waves, pondering the spread at a mouse's cheese party | |
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| 11:08 | <matttttt> hmm, appaently enabling nxagent w/ ltsp is not the same thing as full on freenx server/client, this thing is completely usable over my slow wan link.
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| 11:08 | shame i can't make ltsp be that usable
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| 11:09 | * vagrantc waves to Gadi | |
| 11:10 | <Gadi> matttttt: there is a difference between connecting to an LTSP server over NX and booting a thin client from an LTSP server over a t1 line
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| 11:11 | <ogra> Gadi, what ?!?
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| 11:11 | unbelivable :P
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| 11:11 | <matttttt> well, the bootup process doesn't concern me, i know it's going to be slow unless i have pxeboot servers on the local side of the slow wan link for each remote site that uses a t1, however
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| 11:11 | the actual performance of the session is amazingly fast w/ freenxserver as apposed to ltsp
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| 11:11 | <Gadi> sure
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| 11:12 | well, no you need to rephrase
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| 11:12 | its amazingly fast compared to X-over-ssh
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| 11:12 | <matttttt> well, yes.
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| 11:12 | that did need rephrasing :0
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| 11:12 | <Gadi> you can always boot the thin client with LTSP and have it run nxclient
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| 11:12 | instead of ldm
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| 11:13 | but, you would still be booting over a t1 line
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| 11:13 | <matttttt> oh? i was just following the opensuse guide for 'enabling nxagent for slow links' which just said to change my LDM_COMMAND to /usr/bin/nxagent-gnome or whatever, but that didn't seem to make a big difference.
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| 11:13 | maybe i was missing some piece
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| 11:14 | yeah, the bootup is going to suck, but if i stick with ltsp i think i can convince them to just put a junky pxeboot server at each site, hardware requirements are silly low for that.
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| 11:14 | i found out i'm onlypulling 45-49m of my 150m image from power on to ldm screen, but even that takes like 5+ minutes over a t1
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| 11:14 | <Gadi> seems like what opensuse is trying to do is use ldm+nxagent
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| 11:15 | not sure how that compares to just running nxclient
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| 11:15 | <matttttt> gadi, yeah. i wasn't impressed with the results, i did see the nxagent splash
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| 11:15 | i'm doing nxclient from a live cd right now, and running nxserver on my server, hauls proverbial ass.
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| 11:15 | <ogra> i dont think we support LDM_COMMAND at all upstream
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| 11:15 | <matttttt> i even rate limited my t1 to half speed and it's still zippy
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| 11:15 | <Gadi> right
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| 11:16 | <ogra> so that must be a suse hack
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| 11:16 | <Gadi> I would just write an nxclient screen script
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| 11:16 | <ogra> right
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| 11:16 | didnt you once have one ;)
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| 11:16 | you should probably forward port it
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| 11:16 | <Gadi> thanks, boss
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| 11:16 | :)
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| 11:16 | <ogra> *g*
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| 11:17 | <vmlintu> ldm+nxagent doesn't compress data, it does only round-trip suppression
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| 11:17 | <matttttt> vmlintu: ah, that'd explain my barely perceptible improvement
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| 11:17 | vs. full on nxclient
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| 11:17 | <vmlintu> It helps the most if you use ssh connection with slow clients
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| 11:17 | <ogra> ldm+nxagent really sounds like an insane hack vs a proper screen.d script
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| 11:18 | why involve ldm at all
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| 11:18 | <matttttt> perhaps the login screen is prettier?
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| 11:18 | <vmlintu> I've seen impressive performance boosts for firefox and friends with ldm+nxagent
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| 11:19 | But if you have fast network and fast thin clients, there's no improvement
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| 11:19 | <matttttt> vmlintu, not sure if you read above but i just provisioned a test "t1" link between two netopia cpes and put a client on one end and my server on the other, no nxagent = barely usable with one client connected. i'm talking menus taking forever to popup, etc. ldm+nxagent had a barely perceptible improvement, still unusable on this link
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| 11:20 | <vmlintu> ldm+nxagent doesn't need any changes to the chroot
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| 11:20 | <matttttt> booted a livecd with nxclient, connected to the nxserver on my server and blam, super fast.
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| 11:20 | almost seems local
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| 11:20 | cut the t1 in half, same results.
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| 11:20 | <vmlintu> t1 is like 2mbps?
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| 11:20 | <matttttt> 1.54
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| 11:21 | <vmlintu> never see those over here
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| 11:21 | <matttttt> the defacto lease line standard in the usa
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| 11:21 | sadly people still use them :(
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| 11:21 | so slow
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| 11:21 | <vmlintu> I wouldn't use ldm+nxagent with anything slower than 100mbps
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| 11:21 | <alkisg> Is that full-duplex?
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| 11:21 | I.e. 1.5 upload + 1.5 download?
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| 11:22 | <matttttt> yes
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| 11:22 | well if i can figure out how to boot opensuse ltsp into nxclient instead of ldm i'll be set it seems. ah, more work
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| 11:24 | <vmlintu> basically ldm+nxagent doesn't reduce bandwidth requirements at all. I've been running it at some production sites for a year and it looks like slow thin clients with ssh encryption get the biggest boost from it.
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| 11:24 | It takes away the sluggish feeling when the cpu cannot encrypt ssh data fast enough for all x roundtrips
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| 11:29 | <matttttt> ah
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| 11:29 | so can someone point me in the right direction for booting opensuse ltsp into nxclient instead of ldm? what should i go read? i know nothing about screen scripts
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| 11:29 | i'm very exciting about this find :) i was beginning to think it was hopeless to have any clients at these t1 sites.
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| 11:30 | <ogra> basically take a look at the scripts in the ltsp screen.d directory
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| 11:30 | for opensuse specifics rather go to #kiwi-ltsp
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| 11:31 | <Gadi> matttttt: http://www.ltsp.org/~sbalneav/LTSPManual.html#screen-scripts
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| 11:31 | <ogra> regarding screen.d its likely easiest to copy the rdesktop script as a base and modify it
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| 11:32 | <Gadi> matttttt: nxclient stores config files in: ~/.nx/config/$sessionName.nxs
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| 11:33 | matttttt: you can start nxclient with a particular config with: nxclient --session /path/to/file.nxs
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| 11:33 | the rest is left as an excercise for the reader
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| 11:33 | :)
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| 11:34 | *exercise
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| 11:35 | <coordinador> how can i change keyboard layout in terminals? (directly working on server, it worked fine)
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| 11:36 | <ogra> did you set the proper values in lts.conf ?
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| 11:37 | <coordinador> i have ltsp4.2 and i think values are ok, since it happened suddenly
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| 11:38 | just in case i added XKBLAYOUT=es in /tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 11:38 | but nothing happen
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| 11:39 | it happened after an ubuntu 9.04 update yesterday
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| 11:39 | <Gadi> coordinador: ltsp 4.2 has config in: /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
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| 11:39 | <coordinador> the system asked to reboot and when i back , that happened
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| 11:39 | Gadi, i have ltsp4.2 and ltsp5 at the same time, thats why i have it in another dir
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| 11:40 | <Gadi> well, it won't have an effect on ltsp 4.2 in that directory
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| 11:41 | in any event, get a shell on the thin client and check the layout in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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| 11:41 | <devilbues> hi, anyone managed to get rdesktop using local devices with windows 2008? I keep getting this 0x8007048f error
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| 11:42 | <Gadi> devilbues: are you using local ltspfs?
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| 11:42 | <coordinador> Gadi, ill check that
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| 11:42 | <devilbues> gadi: yes
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| 11:42 | <devilbues> gadi: i've installed ltspfs on chroot
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| 11:42 | <Gadi> devilbues: debian, ltspfs v. 5.0.13?
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| 11:42 | er, 0.5.13
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| 11:43 | <coordinador> Gadi, i havent /etc/X11/xorg.conf in shell terminal
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| 11:43 | <devilbues> gadi: ubuntu 9.04 server, 0.5.10
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| 11:43 | <Gadi> coordinador: are you on a 4.2 client with SCREEN_01 = startx, SCREEN_02 = shell ?
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| 11:43 | <coordinador> yes gadi
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| 11:43 | exactly that way
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| 11:44 | <Gadi> coordinador: ah, look in /tmp or /var
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| 11:44 | I think the Xorg.conf is there in 4.2 somewhere
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| 11:44 | <coordinador> ok
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| 11:44 | ill check
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| 11:45 | <Gadi> devilbues: are you following: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/RdesktopLocaldev
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| 11:45 | <coordinador> tmp/X11R6Config.1 is the only file that looks like xorg.conf
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| 11:45 | <Gadi> thats the one
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| 11:45 | <coordinador> how can i configure permanently?
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| 11:45 | <Gadi> well, first checck if the layout is correct
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| 11:46 | if it is not correct, then you are not setting lts.conf properly or it is in the wrongplace
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| 11:46 | you can look at /etc/lts.conf from the shell to check your config
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| 11:47 | <devilbues> Gadi: yes, i can see the device, and it works correctly with windows 2003, but in windows 2008 gives-me this error when I copy something: "error 0x8007048f: the device is not connected"
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| 11:48 | <Gadi> hmm... I have not seen that
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| 11:48 | <coordinador> i checked the correct lts.conf for ltsp4.2, it hasnt specified the keyboard layout, ill put XKBLAYOUT=es, it worked for 4.2 right?
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| 11:49 | <devilbues> Gadi: do you use it with windows 2008?
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| 11:50 | <Gadi> devilbues: I have
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| 11:51 | devilbues: did you try more than one device? perhaps the device is bad
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| 11:51 | If you google "error 0x8007048f: the device is not connected" there are other folks having the issue with particular devices
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| 11:51 | <coordinador> GADI, IT WORKS!!!
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| 11:52 | <Gadi> coordinador: congrats
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| 11:52 | <ogra> best to note down on a piece of paper that your config files for ltsp4 and 5 are in different places ;)
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| 11:52 | <coordinador> i dont know why i must to configure manually the keyboard layout again, it happened suddenly...
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| 11:53 | yes, ill do
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| 11:53 | <Gadi> were you doing something silly like bind-mounting the config files so you would only have to edit one and then on reboot not have the mount happen automatically?
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| 11:53 | <ogra> so yu remember it in a few weeks if you want to change the next thing :)
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| 11:55 | <devilbues> Gadi: what distro are you using
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| 11:55 | <Gadi> same as yours
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| 11:55 | devilbues: though, you might want to see if ltspfs 0.5.13 is packaged anywhere
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| 11:56 | we fixed a few things for local ltspfs
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| 11:56 | I wonder if stgraber has it in his ppa
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| 11:56 | <coordinador> haah..This layout problem and a problem with gnome theme, both things happened suddenly, but the gnome theme was fixed unchecking a keyboard plugin entry of gnome-settings-daemon, with gconf-editor, maybe that is a bug, ill report it
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| 11:56 | <ogra> stgraber might have it in PPA
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| 11:56 | <Gadi> !stgraber-ppa
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| 11:56 | <ltspbot> Gadi: "stgraber-ppa" is https://launchpad.net/~stgraber/+archive/ppa
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| 11:56 | <coordinador> thanks Gadi again
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| 11:57 | <Gadi> seems stgraber's still on 0.5.12
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| 11:57 | coordinador: de nada
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| 11:57 | <devilbues> Gadi: should I try this one?
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| 11:57 | <Gadi> (and I didn't even need a spanish keyboard to get that right) :)
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| 11:58 | devilbues: you can try it - it did improve some things
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| 11:58 | <devilbues> gadi: thanks
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| 11:58 | <Gadi> remember to update the chroot image
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| 12:00 | * Lns rubs his eyes due to the nasty florescent lights | |
| 12:02 | <coordinador> see you later
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| 12:06 | <Ahmuck> i'm ready for help on intel sound on client
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| 12:06 | <Gadi> ah, yes, brown 43 - your ticket's come up
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| 12:07 | * Lns puts Ahmuck on hold music | |
| 12:07 | <ogra> doobedoobedoobedoo
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| 12:08 | <Lns> "How can I provide you with excellent service"
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| 12:08 | <Gadi> Ahmuck: ur call is very important to us....
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| 12:08 | please hold for the next available service representative
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| 12:08 | tux_440volt is now known as subhodip | |
| 12:08 | <matttttt> did you know? most of your questions can be answered by visiting our website at ltsp.org
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| 12:08 | <Lns> I've heard that if you curse loudly into the phone you get answered quicker
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| 12:09 | <matttttt> also if you mash # or 0 a bunch of times :)
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| 12:09 | <Lns> =p~
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| 12:09 | <ogra> note that for quality assurance some of our conversations might be logged ...
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| 12:09 | <Ahmuck> i think my sound problem with ltsp is related to intel sound chip on the client
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| 12:09 | <Lns> 000000########00000###
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| 12:10 | <Ahmuck> in previous versions of my distro, it appears intel sound was dropped from the kernel
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| 12:10 | <Gadi> really?
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| 12:10 | <Ahmuck> i do get sound briefly in ubuntu 9.04, but it stops
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| 12:10 | <ogra> thats a bad distro
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| 12:10 | <Gadi> what driver?
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| 12:10 | <Ahmuck> should i assume that the kernel module for intel sound is not getting loaded properly?
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| 12:10 | * ogra guesses inter hda | |
| 12:11 | <ogra> *intel
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| 12:11 | <Gadi> never assume
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| 12:11 | <Ahmuck> yes, hda_intel
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| 12:11 | <Gadi> get a shell on the client
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| 12:11 | <Ahmuck> it shows intel 82801BA-ich2
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| 12:11 | k, how do i do that?
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| 12:12 | <Gadi> well, you could set: SCREEN_07=ldm SCREEN_08=shell in lts.conf
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| 12:12 | <class1> http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-intel8x0
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| 12:12 | <Gadi> and then ctrl-alt-f8 after the ldm screen comes up
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| 12:12 | <class1> this is what i've been able to find
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| 12:12 | i understand pulseaudio operates on top of alsa
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| 12:13 | <Gadi> one step at a time
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| 12:13 | <class1> where alsa doesn't show the BA suport but does show AA support, so i was hoping that it would be somewhere close
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| 12:13 | ok, i'll get the shell
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| 12:13 | <Gadi> its easier to ask the computer what's wrong
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| 12:13 | :)
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| 12:15 | <Gadi> Ahmuck: you haven't done anything drastic like reinstall alsa or compile stuff from source, have you?
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| 12:15 | <Ahmuck> http://pastebin.be/20092
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| 12:15 | i haven't re-installed alsa no
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| 12:16 | i did install libsdl-debian-all however
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| 12:16 | <Gadi> ah, ok
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| 12:16 | good
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| 12:16 | don't want to start chemotherapy for a skinned knee
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| 12:17 | <Ahmuck> rofl
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| 12:17 | k, entered in the stuff for shell, i need to reboot the client i suppose
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| 12:17 | <Gadi> yup
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| 12:18 | dont bother logging in
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| 12:18 | <Gadi> just switch to ctrl-alt-f8 when you get the login screen
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| 12:19 | <alkisg> Is there any driver available for this one, preferably for jaunty? "VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation System Controller Hub (SCH Poulsbo) Graphics Controller [8086:8108] (rev 07)"
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| 12:20 | <Ahmuck> k, i'm there
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| 12:20 | <ogra> alkisg, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mobile/+archive/ppa ... but you need to compile DRI2 for the kernel
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| 12:20 | <Gadi> Ahmuck: try: alsamixer -c0
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| 12:21 | <alkisg> ogra: ugh... is that easy, or should I just use the karmic kernel in jaunty?
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| 12:21 | <ogra> alkisg, you want the psb 904um1 packages
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| 12:21 | alkisg, no psb driver in karmic
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| 12:21 | psb is similar to nvidia
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| 12:21 | <alkisg> ogra: ok, so I have to learn how to compile a kernel. Sweet :)
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| 12:22 | Thanks man
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| 12:22 | <ogra> note that the drivers in the ppa only enable 2D
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| 12:22 | psb is crap, simple answer: dont buy it
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| 12:22 | same tip that i give to users asking about nvidia :)
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| 12:22 | <Ahmuck> k, alsa is there
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| 12:23 | <Gadi> Ahmuck: so, you were able to control the soundcard?
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| 12:23 | <alkisg> ogra: ouch... I thought all recent intels were OK. Anyway, it's not mine, so I won't have to live with it, I'll just pass on the advice.
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| 12:23 | <ogra> its not intel :)
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| 12:23 | <Gadi> alkisg: there's always vesa ;)
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| 12:23 | <Ahmuck> i can move the sliders up and down, yes
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| 12:24 | <ogra> its PowerVR
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| 12:24 | <Gadi> Ahmuck: great! so module loads fine
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| 12:24 | <ogra> it just has an intel sticker :)
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| 12:24 | <alkisg> Gadi, it doesn't detect the monitor timings with vesa...
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| 12:24 | <Ahmuck> well, i do have sound
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| 12:24 | <alkisg> ogra: Ah, sucks :(
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| 12:24 | <Ahmuck> so i thought that perhaps the module was loading fine
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| 12:24 | <ogra> Gadi, psb is usually in netbooks .... no widescreen modes in vesa :P
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| 12:24 | <Gadi> Ahmuck: ah, so what seems to be the problem?
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| 12:24 | <Ahmuck> sound drops after about 2 minutes
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| 12:25 | <Gadi> Ahmuck: ah, well, let's get it into that state
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| 12:25 | * ogra guesses you need a module option for hda_intel | |
| 12:25 | <Gadi> ogra: how come when I guess, you yell at me?
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| 12:25 | :)
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| 12:26 | <ogra> huh ?
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| 12:26 | <Gadi> you never like it when *i* guess
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| 12:26 | :)
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| 12:26 | <ogra> i'd NEVER YELL AT YOU !
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| 12:26 | :)
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| 12:26 | but i just saw https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/274424 ;)
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| 12:29 | <Gadi> Ahmuck: I hope ur playing some tunes
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| 12:30 | <class1> k, getting ready to cause it to quit
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| 12:31 | i did have something yesterday that made me wonder ... we don't allow point and shoot or mmo in our community lab. however i did install one yesterday to show someone what a point and shoot was, and had sound problems ... after installing the proprietary nvidia drivers, then it worked great. this was server side. is it possible that the same issue is happening here?
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| 12:32 | <devilbues> gadi: it gives the same error with ltspfs 0.5.12
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| 12:32 | <Gadi> devilbues: it may be a Windows thing - have you tried more than one device?
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| 12:33 | class1: whats point and shoot and mmo?
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| 12:33 | <devilbues> Gadi: I've tried with usb pens only
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| 12:34 | <class1> first person shooter
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| 12:34 | <Gadi> devilbues: but more than one?
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| 12:34 | <devilbues> gadi: yes
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| 12:34 | <class1> i'd really like to run ri-li
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| 12:35 | * Gadi feels old | |
| 12:35 | * ogra feels older | |
| 12:35 | <rjune_> you whipper snappers
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| 12:36 | though I suspect gadi actually is older than me
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| 12:36 | <Gadi> lies!
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| 12:36 | <class1> i'm prolly older than you all
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| 12:37 | <Gadi> man, this is getting depressing
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| 12:37 | <rjune_> Gadi: I just turned 31
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| 12:37 | <Gadi> have you broken sound yet?
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| 12:37 | <alkisg> Kids :(
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| 12:37 | <ogra> heh
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| 12:37 | 31
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| 12:37 | <rjune_> ogra: that's your age?
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| 12:37 | <ogra> nah
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| 12:37 | <Gadi> ogra's immortal
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| 12:37 | <class1> k, it just quit
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| 12:37 | <Lns> 29! HA! I'm the baby
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| 12:38 | <Gadi> he's got a cloak and a sword and everything
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| 12:38 | * ogra is getting wrinkles | |
| 12:38 | <class1> ~ 40+
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| 12:38 | <rjune_> ogra: how old are you?
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| 12:38 | <Gadi> class1: ok, now switch back to ctrl-alt-f8 and try alsamixer again
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| 12:38 | <ogra> 39 for another 6 months
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| 12:38 | <class1> this computer stuff is getting to be a challange for me
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| 12:38 | <Gadi> er, alsamixer -c0
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| 12:38 | <rjune_> I thought you graduated from uni not that long ago
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| 12:39 | <ogra> me ?
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| 12:39 | heh
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| 12:39 | <class1> mixer works fine
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| 12:39 | <ogra> i barely finished school ... never studies
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| 12:39 | <Gadi> sounds like alsa's ok
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| 12:39 | <ogra> *studied
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| 12:39 | <rjune_> Gadi: If you ever hear him mutter, "There can be only one" run like hell
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| 12:39 | <Gadi> class1: ps -efw|grep pulse
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| 12:39 | on the client
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| 12:39 | <class1> No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found.
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| 12:39 | <ace_suares> gadi did you read about the ppa laserjock made for some problems with tuxmatch/type sound???
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| 12:40 | <Gadi> ace_suares: cant say that I have
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| 12:40 | <rjune_> ace_suares: I didn't hear about it either. he should probably get to #tux4kids and talk to kendrick
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| 12:40 | <class1> http://pastebin.be/20093
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| 12:40 | <ogra> i think tux4kids upstream is subscribed to the bugs
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| 12:41 | they were updated
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| 12:41 | <class1> i'm going to try tux later today
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| 12:41 | <rjune_> I though kendrick was tux4kids upstream
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| 12:41 | <ace_suares> well it solves some problems with pulse audio and SDl application, I just metntion it here cause it might be interesting. Don't know what the problem is but I see sound problems. Just for information
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| 12:41 | <Gadi> class1: sorry - I meant run that in the shell
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| 12:41 | * Lns helped w/the Tux4kids stuff | |
| 12:41 | <rjune_> ace_suares: is good to know.
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| 12:41 | <Lns> it's just in (afaik) Ubu hardy
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| 12:42 | <Gadi> sit ubu sit. good dog.
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| 12:42 | <ace_suares> yeah lns knows all about it.
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| 12:42 | <ogra> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tuxpaint/+bug/269082 ...
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| 12:42 | <Lns> libsdl1.2debian-pulse is needed in hardy
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| 12:42 | <ace_suares> Lns: no jaunty too
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| 12:42 | <ogra> its linked to the upstream bugtracker
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| 12:42 | <Lns> ace_suares: ?
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| 12:42 | <rjune_> good deal
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| 12:42 | <class1> it just says , root - grep pulse
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| 12:43 | <rjune_> ogra: you're on karmic, right?
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| 12:43 | <Gadi> class1: seems pulse died on ya
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| 12:43 | <class1> yes
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| 12:43 | <ogra> rjune_, indeed
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| 12:43 | <class1> why is it dying? is there a way to tell?
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| 12:43 | <Gadi> hmm... oh wait
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| 12:43 | <rjune_> what version of automake do you have?
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| 12:43 | <class1> possible it's the switch?
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| 12:43 | <Gadi> ogra- wasn't there a pulse argument that fedora put in that broke something?
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| 12:43 | * class1 is hardy --> jaunty upgrade | |
| 12:43 | <ogra> ogra@osiris:~/Devel/ltsp/ltsp-trunk$ automake --version
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| 12:43 | automake (GNU automake) 1.10.2
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| 12:44 | <rjune_> thanks
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| 12:44 | <Gadi> ogra?
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| 12:44 | <ogra> Gadi, i'm not sure, there was something that suspends pulse
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| 12:44 | <class1> didn't have issues on hardy. started on jaunty
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| 12:44 | <Gadi> yeah - was that confirmed to be a problem
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| 12:44 | <ogra> but i didnt get feedback that removing it fixed anything
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| 12:44 | <ace_suares> btw i am from 1965. That tops all of you I think :-)
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| 12:44 | <Gadi> ah, well, we can rty
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| 12:44 | *try
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| 12:45 | <class1> ah, my server went screen went black, video blank
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| 12:45 | <ogra> --exit-idle-time=-1
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| 12:45 | <class1> not sure if it happened when i lost sound or what?
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| 12:45 | <ogra> that was the line that was added
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| 12:45 | <Gadi> ok
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| 12:45 | <class1> ace_suares: just barely
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| 12:45 | <Gadi> class1: try this:
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| 12:45 | on the server, mind you
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| 12:46 | <rjune_> ace_suares: you're not old, your a classic. :-P
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| 12:46 | gah!
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| 12:46 | * Ahmuck is out of breath running back and forth :) | |
| 12:46 | <Lns> rjune_: that's what old people say =p
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| 12:46 | <Gadi> sudo cp /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/ltsp-init-common /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/ltsp-init-common.orig
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| 12:46 | <ace_suares> rjune_: you mean i got class lol
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| 12:47 | <Gadi> sudo gedit /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/ltsp-init-common
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| 12:47 | remove the line "--exit-idle-time=-1"
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| 12:47 | save
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| 12:47 | exit the text editor
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| 12:47 | sudo ltsp-update-image
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| 12:47 | and reboot the terminal
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| 12:47 | er, client
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| 12:47 | and see if it plays sound for longer
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| 12:48 | <Lns> Does Jaunty have libsdl1.2debian-pulse installed by default or is it still -alsa?
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| 12:48 | <ogra> alsa is definately the default
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| 12:49 | -puls should be pulled in by packages that need it
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| 12:49 | *pulse
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| 12:50 | <Lns> then maybe the tux4kids apps needs that dep..
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| 12:50 | at least in ltsp env
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| 12:51 | <Gadi> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=485734
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| 12:51 | interesting
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| 12:51 | <Lns> "I just noticed that the alsa audio output never set the alsa hardware's buffer size. I think this is why SDL has such latencies when pulse audio is in use." - http://www.nabble.com/ALSA-output-doesn't-set-buffer-size-(likely-fix-for-pulse-problems)-td21457593.html
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| 12:52 | <Gadi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/398801
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| 12:54 | <Ahmuck> so, does ltsp utilize the thin clients video/sound hardware at all?
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| 12:54 | <maginot> good afternoon =)
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| 12:54 | <Ahmuck> or does the client merely act as a passthrough
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| 12:54 | hi maginot
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| 12:54 | <ogra> Gadi, wow, weird
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| 12:54 | <maginot> Ahmuck, you can make use of your thinclient hardware if you use localapps
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| 12:55 | <Gadi> Ahmuck: it exclusively uses the thin client video/sound hardware
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| 12:55 | the server need not have a video card or sound card in LTSP
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| 12:56 | <Lns> ^^^ =) love that
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| 12:56 | <maginot> I'm having some issues with keyboard so i make a xmodmap file and I'm loading it per user but on the ldm login screen I want to make use of this xmodmap setting.... anyidea on how to do that??
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| 12:56 | <Ahmuck> on sdl apps, is it possible that ltsp is not using the correct video configuration for the client?
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| 12:56 | <Gadi> video works like this: application --> xserver on thin client (or application --> SSH Xproxy --> Xserver on thin client)
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| 12:57 | sound is: application --> alsa on server --> fake pulseaudio soundcard --> pulseaudio daemon on thin client --> alsa driver on thin client --> thin client soundcard
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| 12:58 | <Lns> Gadi: do you know of any virtual audio card drivers for windows, so you don't have to install a physical card to get it in rdesktop?
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| 12:58 | <Gadi> maginot: you can create an I* script in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/rc.d/
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| 12:58 | <Lns> (install physical card in server that is)
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| 12:59 | <Gadi> Lns: RDP also uses a virtual soundcard - the RDP Virtual Sound Driver
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| 12:59 | thats what Windows uses by default
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| 12:59 | in RDP sessions
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| 13:00 | <Lns> Gadi: really? so you don't need a sound card in the windows server?
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| 13:00 | <Gadi> nope
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| 13:00 | <maginot> Gadi, I* script? If I put Xmodmap inside /etc/X11 on chroot isn't going to work ?
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| 13:00 | <Lns> heh...maybe I *won't* use those subcontractors for windows terminal server help when i need it then ;) they were dead set on saying you needed it
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| 13:00 | <Gadi> maginot: I didn't say /etc/X11, did I?
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| 13:00 | <Lns> i had to go out and install 7 of em
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| 13:00 | <Gadi> take a look in that directory
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| 13:01 | <Ahmuck> another issue, which i need to address later is that closing firefox sometimes leaves a hanging process and upon loging back in, or rebooting, firefox won't open cause it think's it's already open
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| 13:01 | <Gadi> Lns: I have definitely had w2k3 servers with no sound card and sound through rdp
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| 13:02 | <Ahmuck> kewl -- a new version is avaialbe, rebooting in 10 sec
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| 13:02 | <maginot> Gadi, no, but I'm going in a diferent line of thinking ;P... I'have already looked inside rc.d of ldm dir, there are a bunch of scripts, so by this way what should I do, make an script using xmodmap -e command lines ? (makes sense)
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| 13:02 | <Gadi> right -
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| 13:02 | if you preface with "I" it runs on ldm initialization
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| 13:03 | those scripts are sourced
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| 13:03 | <maginot> Gadi, like Imykbsetting.sh ?
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| 13:03 | <Gadi> no, look at the format
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| 13:03 | it is: I<number>-<name>
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| 13:03 | so it gets sourced in order
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| 13:04 | <maginot> Hmm sure, I was just guessing cause I'm not in the server at this moment, now I understood.. very simple in fact
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| 13:04 | <Gadi> yeah - we made the framework for just such an emergency :)
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| 13:05 | <class2> .
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| 13:05 | <Gadi> brb - gotta go pick up my car
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| 13:06 | <maginot> ok, cya
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| 13:06 | and thanks
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| 13:06 | =)
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| 13:06 | <ogra> Gadi, dont drink and drive ;)
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| 13:06 | <Gadi> no worries - today's a fast day
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| 13:06 | :)
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| 13:06 | bbiab
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| 13:14 | <class2> pulse died
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| 13:17 | <rjune_> Gadi: you have a car?
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| 13:17 | in NYC?
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| 13:28 | <atomic007za> r we all waiting for gadi?
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| 13:28 | <class3> i am
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| 13:28 | sorta
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| 13:28 | <atomic007za> hmm knock knock
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| 13:29 | me too class3
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| 13:29 | also battling with tux?
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| 13:29 | <class3> nope
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| 13:29 | <Lns> "Thank you for your patience. Did you know many of your problems can be solved simply by power cycling your dsl modem?"
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| 13:29 | <class3> did you get the message about tux?
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| 13:29 | really ?
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| 13:29 | :p
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| 13:31 | 10 minutes, sound lost again
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| 13:31 | bbl, i need to get some other work done before 3:30
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| 13:31 | <atomic007za> nope, was looking @ the discussion and seemed to be talking about the pulse driver, seems to be a problem with tux apps
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| 13:32 | <atomic007za> what message a bout tux?
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| 13:32 | <Ahmuck> there is a fix
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| 13:32 | let me drag up the e-mail
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| 13:32 | <atomic007za> really
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| 13:32 | <Ahmuck> https://launchpad.net /~edubuntu-dev/+archive/edubuntu-testing
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| 13:33 | https://launchpad.net/~edubuntu-dev/+archive/edubuntu-testing
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| 13:33 | <Ahmuck> DBus error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)
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| 13:35 | <atomic007za> is that to me?
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| 13:35 | <Ahmuck> nope
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| 13:35 | the link is, yes
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| 13:35 | <atomic007za> cool thanks Ahmuck
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| 13:35 | will do it now
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| 13:42 | <Gadi> rjune_: actually, in my time, we have flying cars, and men ride around in a hole in the ground
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| 13:42 | <rjune_> Gadi: in your time?
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| 13:42 | <Gadi> Im from the future
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| 13:42 | * rjune_ ponders making a reference to year 0 | |
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| 13:46 | <Lns> Gadi: flying cars? Pshaw. Cars are irrelevant when you have teleportation. You must be from the "old" future
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| 13:46 | from my future, we simply bend spacetime to travel
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| 13:46 | <Gadi> they're retro ;)
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| 13:46 | <Lns> haha
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| 13:46 | <Gadi> all the cool kids have one
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| 13:47 | <rjune_> LOL
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| 13:50 | <ogra> Gadi, teleporting cars ? you got a porsche ?
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| 13:54 | <Gadi> Ahmuck: is pulse still dying on you?
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| 13:54 | <maginot_> the good is that in your future you still uses irc =)
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| 13:55 | <ogra> he's the typical guy who always wants to be backwards compatible ... you will also find a lot of fine rib underpants in his closet ;)
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| 13:56 | indeed the hovering variant :)
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| 13:56 | <Gadi> hehe - im laughing and i don't know why
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| 13:56 | :)
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| 14:00 | <atomic007za> where do I set my server to check gpgkeys as I am sitting behind a proxy
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| 14:00 | * Gadi votes that we move to having our own /usr/share/ltsp/default.pa instead of command line options | |
| 14:00 | <atomic007za> I get this error
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| 14:00 | gpgkeys: HTTP fetch error 6: Couldn't resolve host 'keyserver.ubuntu.com'
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| 14:01 | <Gadi> sounds more like DNS issue
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| 14:01 | <ogra> Gadi, how would you make pulse read it
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| 14:01 | ?
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| 14:02 | <Gadi> ogra: -F /usr/share/ltsp/default.pa
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| 14:02 | :)
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| 14:02 | <atomic007za> If i go apt-get install lynx it picks up the package and installs no problem, I have put the proxy in there
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| 14:02 | will try changing dns's
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| 14:03 | <ogra> Gadi, -C rather i think
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| 14:03 | <Gadi> not according to the man page
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| 14:03 | <ogra> hmm, no, istn what i thought it was
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| 14:03 | <Gadi> it would make debugging pulseaudio in our environment much easier
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| 14:04 | since you can tell someone: type: pulseaudio -F /usr/share/ltsp/default.pa -n
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| 14:04 | <ogra> yes, but i would like a proper configfile option instead of a pulse script
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| 14:04 | <Gadi> whats the diff?
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| 14:05 | <ogra> default.pa is typically a set of commands you would usually give to pulse on the pulse interpreter
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| 14:05 | its not like daemon.conf or client.conf
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| 14:05 | <Gadi> ah - and why do we not use daemon.conf?
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| 14:06 | <ogra> becaue its a conffile
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| 14:06 | ucf wuld kick in if you upgade the package and we modified it
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| 14:06 | asking the user confusing questions
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| 14:06 | <Gadi> ah - then why do we not use a default.pa script?
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| 14:06 | :)
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| 14:07 | <ogra> because it wont have the standard config options but rather script command
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| 14:07 | s
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| 14:07 | <Gadi> ah - which don't accomplissh the same thing/
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| 14:07 | is it lacking?
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| 14:07 | <ogra> they might but are less well documented
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| 14:08 | <Gadi> gotcha
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| 14:08 | too bad - it would be much easier to debug
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| 14:08 | <Ahmuck> k, got kids here so i need to step out
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| 14:08 | <Gadi> damn kids....
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| 14:08 | <ogra> and more complicated, i would like to be abe to just use commands from "man pulse-daemon.conf" in a config file instead of having to learn a complete interpreter if i were a user
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| 14:09 | imho we should ask lennard to add a -c option that allows a different config file
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| 14:09 | * Gadi nods | |
| 14:09 | <ogra> its intresting that this isnt there yet
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| 14:11 | <rjune_> ogra: or give him a patch
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| 14:11 | <ogra> feel free to write one :)
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| 14:11 | <rjune_> :-)
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| 14:12 | * ogra has to find a way to compile redboot natively before i can hack on other stuff | |
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| 14:12 | <rjune_> I can help you with the pulse, not so much with the redboot
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| 14:12 | <ogra> heh
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| 14:12 | <rjune_> if I could I would.
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| 14:12 | <ogra> redboot is insane
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| 14:13 | <bieb> hello all!!
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| 14:13 | <ogra> it can only be built in a cross toolchain thats largely based on cygwin but runs under linux
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| 14:13 | <rjune_> nice.
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| 14:13 | <Lns> hi bieb
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| 14:13 | <bieb> I am back to work more on my client logon issue
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| 14:13 | <rjune_> I'm building a cross toolchain for x86 -> .... x86
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| 14:13 | <ogra> huh ?
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| 14:14 | x86 to x86 ?
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| 14:14 | <rjune_> Our routers are based on x86 systems.
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| 14:14 | yup.
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| 14:14 | <ogra> ah
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| 14:14 | <ogra> but different libc and binutils
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| 14:14 | <rjune_> we have our own distribution.
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| 14:14 | yup.
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| 14:14 | <ogra> yeah, understood
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| 14:14 | * rjune_ is very happy for crosstool | |
| 14:16 | <bieb> I am still unable to get the client to authenticate against Active Directory since moving the server to the server room. The client gets the login screen from the server, but when I enter the credentials, it just sits there, them comes back with "no response from server, restarting".. vagrantc had me ssh into the server as a regular user, and that worked fine.. so I am not sure where to check next
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| 14:16 | * ogra migrates to TV and calls it a day | |
| 14:16 | <rjune_> :-)
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| 14:16 | have a good night
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| 14:34 | <Gadi> bieb: you can ssh to the server as an AD user?
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| 14:34 | <bieb> Gadi: yes
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| 14:34 | <peleus> hello, have anybody tried ltsp on Beagleboards ? I would like to check if the chance is possible before I buy ;)
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| 14:34 | <Gadi> do this: set SCREEN_07 = shell in lts.conf
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| 14:34 | and try ssh'ing to the server from the shell as an AD user
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| 14:35 | peleus: the man you seek is glued to his TV set atm
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| 14:35 | <peleus> Gadi, :D
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| 14:35 | <rjune_> peleus: He'll probably be back tomorrow.
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| 14:35 | <Gadi> peleus: when ogra gets back, beat him senseless
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| 14:36 | <rjune_> Personally, I would ask nicely
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| 14:36 | <peleus> so its possible
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| 14:36 | <rjune_> Uhm, dunno
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| 14:36 | but he's the guy to ask
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| 14:36 | <Gadi> peleus: talk to ogra or vagrantc
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| 14:36 | <bieb> Gadi: so on the server, set SCREEN_07 = shell, then try to login from the client through ssh?
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| 14:36 | * Lns remembers him talking about working on a beagleboard | |
| 14:36 | <peleus> I wish it could .. okay thank you very much :)
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| 14:36 | <Gadi> bieb: in other words, get a shell on the thin client
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| 14:37 | <bieb> Gadi: gotcha
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| 14:37 | <Gadi> and try to ssh from the thin client's shell to the server as an AD user
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| 14:37 | <bieb> Gadi: I will do that and let you know.. back in a few
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| 14:37 | <Gadi> in fact, you may want to have SCREEN_07=ldm and SCREEN_08=shell
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| 14:37 | so you can flip between them
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| 14:38 | <bieb> ctrl+alt+f8 to get to shell?
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| 14:39 | <Gadi> on screen_08, yeah
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| 14:39 | <bieb> cool
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| 14:39 | back in a few
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| 14:50 | <Gadi> alkisg: ping
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| 14:50 | <alkisg> Yup?
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| 14:51 | <Gadi> got a question regarding your dhcp proxy stuff
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| 14:51 | <alkisg> Shoot
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| 14:51 | (but it isn't mine, it's the dnsmasq developer's :))
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| 14:51 | <Gadi> let's say you had a dhcp server behind the proxy that ALSO hands out tftp filename, etc
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| 14:51 | does it ignore the server and replace with its own?
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| 14:52 | <alkisg> "behind"? Both of them are usually on the same subnet, it's not a "distant" proxy server...
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| 14:52 | <Gadi> same subnet?
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| 14:53 | <alkisg> Yes, e.g. I have a simple local network, with a router acting as a dhcp server, and the ltsp server with a single NIC acting as a "proxy dhcp" server
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| 14:53 | <Gadi> I had envisioned: enterprise-wide DHCP server -> lots of subnets -> one subnet has a proxy that fills in filename info
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| 14:54 | <alkisg> Let me find the package name that I think you need...
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| 14:54 | <Gadi> so, thin client requests from proxy -> proxy gets IP info from server and adds filename info
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| 14:54 | <alkisg> I think that you need dhcp-relay
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| 14:55 | <Gadi> so, why can't dhcp relay do what dnsmasq does?
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| 14:55 | <alkisg> Dhcp relay = use a single dhcp server on different subnets
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| 14:55 | Dhcp proxy = fill in some additional info if you don't have access to the dhcp server
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| 14:56 | (afaik)
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| 14:56 | <Gadi> ah, but the proxy must also get the IP from the server and relay it
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| 14:56 | it is just adding to it
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| 14:56 | <alkisg> No, the client actually gets two offers
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| 14:56 | <Gadi> as it relays
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| 14:56 | <alkisg> The first one is from the "normal" dhcp server, and contains the IP lease,
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| 14:57 | <alkisg> and the second one comes from the proxydhcp, and only contains the filename, root path etc
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| 14:57 | <Gadi> shouldn't the client only accept one?
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| 14:57 | <alkisg> No, it's part of the protocol
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| 14:57 | The second offer isn't a normal offer, it doesn't contain an IP
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| 14:57 | It's a special "proxy dhcp offer" which only contains the filename etc
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| 14:57 | <Gadi> interesting
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| 14:58 | and, I take it, there is no: dhcp-proxy package
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| 14:58 | <alkisg> No, but dnsmasq can act as dhcp-proxy *only*
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| 14:58 | i.e. no dns, no tftp, no normal dhcp...
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| 14:58 | <Gadi> it would be interesting if you could do dhcp-relay + dhcp-proxy
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| 14:59 | <alkisg> That can be done, but I don't see the reason why...?
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| 14:59 | <Gadi> lets say you don't have control over the enterprise dhcp server
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| 14:59 | <alkisg> Ah, sure, that's the main reason to use a proxy dhcp
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| 15:00 | Cheap routers (=non configurable), or dhcp servers that we don't have access to
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| 15:00 | <Gadi> ah, right - and I guess if it were not the same subnet, you would have to change the dhcp server anyway
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| 15:00 | nevermind
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| 15:00 | I got it
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| 15:01 | <Gadi> thx, alkisg
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| 15:01 | <alkisg> That's where the dhcp-relay comes in, to enable a dhcp server to serve many subnets
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| 15:01 | I hope I didn't say anything wrong. Yw :)
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| 15:08 | <Justin1> I'm looking for a little troubleshooting help for LTSP on Ubuntu 9.04. Any gurus in here?
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| 15:10 | <Gadi> Justin1: we're on the edge of our seats :)
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| 15:10 | <Justin1> I have an issue with clients randomly logging out. Alas, my googlefu has failed.
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| 15:11 | <Gadi> are they running the random-logout script?
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| 15:12 | <Justin1> That is a good question. I have never heard of such a thing. The last time I used LTSP was several years ago, and a great deal has changed since then.
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| 15:12 | <Gadi> heh - im joking
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| 15:12 | so, is there anything in common with when they log out?
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| 15:12 | <Justin1> I should hope. The first thing that came to mind is when we would ask new guys to change the spark plugs on the diesel engines.
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| 15:13 | <Gadi> nice
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| 15:13 | well, first off, does it kick them out to a login screen?
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| 15:13 | or do they freeze?
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| 15:13 | <Justin1> Users are just browsing the net. Firefox is the only app running.
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| 15:13 | Yes, to a login screen.
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| 15:13 | <Gadi> sounds like ye olde pixmap issue
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| 15:14 | <Justin1> Ah, yes. Ye olde pixmap.
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| 15:14 | <Gadi> is it when they go to a site with mucho large graphics?
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| 15:14 | <Justin1> So, uh, what is that?
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| 15:14 | Often during searches.
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| 15:14 | Google searches, that is.
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| 15:15 | <Gadi> now, thats odd
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| 15:15 | <Justin1> Likely they are clicking on links. All I hear is, "I was just doing a search!"
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| 15:15 | <Gadi> ah
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| 15:15 | how much RAM in the clients?
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| 15:15 | <Justin1> 128M, iirc
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| 15:15 | <Gadi> have you modified the lts.conf at all?
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| 15:15 | <Justin1> No.
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| 15:16 | <Gadi> well, you can try enabling NBD_SWAP and seeing if that helps mitigate the problem
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| 15:16 | also, there is....
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| 15:16 | whats the param...
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| 15:17 | one sec
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| 15:17 | <Lns> Gadi: would changing allocated video ram in the clients' BIOS help?
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| 15:17 | <Gadi> X_RAMPERC = 90
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| 15:17 | or so
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| 15:17 | video ram in the clients may help to
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| 15:17 | *too
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| 15:18 | <Justin1> Hmm. Good suggestions.
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| 15:18 | <Gadi> this is all under the presumption that it is a memory issue
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| 15:18 | Justin1: sorry - im being vague
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| 15:18 | NBD_SWAP = True
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| 15:18 | would enable some network swap space for the clients
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| 15:18 | so, if they run out of memory they can swap to the server hard drive
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| 15:19 | not ideal, but can prevent logouts a bit
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| 15:19 | <Justin1> That would make sense. When I played with LTSP in days of yore, the only locally running thing was X.
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| 15:19 | So memory wasn't much of an issue.
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| 15:19 | <Gadi> yeah, the issue here is that programs like firefox load images into the Xserver memory
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| 15:19 | mostly without regard
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| 15:19 | <Lns> Justin1: that's still the case (unless you use localapps)..but yeah, what gadi said ^^ too
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| 15:19 | <Gadi> so, even though you think ff is just using the server's memory.... surprise!
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| 15:20 | the ff folks don't use thin clients much
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| 15:20 | :)
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| 15:20 | * Lns remembers chatter regarding an X module that might redirect pixmap calls to the server | |
| 15:20 | <Justin1> That actually makes sense. Then again, I was trying to justify the random_logout_script in my head too.
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| 15:20 | <Gadi> anyhow, the X_RAMPERC = 90
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| 15:21 | would tell the client to set a ulimit of 90% on the memory for the Xserver
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| 15:21 | which is supposed to make Xclients like firefox die before the entire session dies
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| 15:21 | <Gadi> at least that's what they tell me
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| 15:21 | :)
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| 15:21 | <Gadi> of course, having more video memory allocated on the client also helps
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| 15:22 | <Ahmuck> k, back for about an hour ...
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| 15:22 | <Justin1> I am not at the site with the server right now, and I haven't poked a hole in the firewall to use ssh. I am assuming that XRAMPERC is also in lts.conf?
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| 15:22 | <Ahmuck> is there a way to test latency to see if that is what is causing pulse to die?
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| 15:22 | how does one allocate more video memory on the client?
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| 15:23 | yes
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| 15:23 | <Justin1> I'm glad Ahmuck asked that. I was feeling positively amateurish.
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| 15:24 | * Ahmuck is an amature | |
| 15:25 | <Ahmuck> is that the way it's spelled?
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| 15:25 | <Justin1> That would be a-mature, like amoral. It means you're young at heart :-)
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| 15:25 | <Gadi> one question at a time
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| 15:26 | Justin1: yes (to lts.conf)
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| 15:26 | Ahmuck: in the BIOS (to allocating more vid memory - BIOS results may vary)
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| 15:27 | <bieb> !pastebot
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| 15:27 | <ltspbot> bieb: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 15:27 | <Justin1> Since we are on the cause of memory usage in the client, would color depth also affect this?
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| 15:27 | <Gadi> sure
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| 15:28 | goes to number of bytes
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| 15:28 | :)
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| 15:28 | <Justin1> I'll reduce that as well. Makes sense.
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| 15:28 | <Gadi> I'm a 16-bit color guy, myself
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| 15:28 | <andrey___> I'm having trouble mounting cdrom in pendrivers and LTSP terminals with authentication in Active Directory because of the fuse. could someone help me?
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| 15:28 | <Gadi> though, Im also colorblind
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| 15:28 | <Justin1> Gadi, you rule. Thanks for all the help!
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| 15:28 | <Gadi> Justin1: good luck!
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| 15:28 | come back if you're thirsting for more
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| 15:29 | <Justin1> Thanks. I won't tell you that your username is purple.
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| 15:29 | <ltsppbot> "bieb" pasted "lts file" (21 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/461
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| 15:29 | <Gadi> jerk!
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| 15:29 | :P
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| 15:29 | andrey___: do they not mount or do they appear on all displays?
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| 15:30 | <Ahmuck> amateur
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| 15:30 | i thought you spelled it wrong
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| 15:30 | until i google spell checked it and was kinda shocked
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| 15:30 | <andrey___> they do not mount
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| 15:31 | <Justin1> English: one screwed up language.
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| 15:32 | <andrey___> not mount due to authentication in Active Directory ... Active Directory does not belong to the group fuse.
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| 15:32 | <Gadi> andrey___: several ways to skin this....
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| 15:32 | cleanest would be to use pam_group
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| 15:32 | <andrey___> not mount due to authentication in Active Directory ... Active Directory user does not belong to the group fuse.
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| 15:32 | ok
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| 15:32 | <Gadi> andrey___: have you used pam_group before?
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| 15:32 | <andrey___> no
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| 15:33 | :)
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| 15:33 | <Gadi> ok - it should be installed by default
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| 15:33 | modify: /etc/security/group.conf
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| 15:34 | <andrey___> yes
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| 15:34 | <Gadi> lots of examples in there for the syntax
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| 15:34 | <andrey___> thanks
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| 15:35 | <Gadi> pam_group is session-based group assignments
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| 15:35 | all of your other alternatives are a bit messier
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| 15:35 | :)
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| 15:36 | <andrey___> ok
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| 15:36 | :)
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| 15:40 | <ltsppbot> "bieb" pasted "lts file" (21 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/462
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| 15:41 | "bieb" pasted "Gadi same error" (28 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/463
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| 15:41 | * alkisg again wonders why programs like xmessage don't support utf8... :( | |
| 15:41 | <Gadi> bieb: the lts.conf is still wrong
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| 15:42 | you need to change example to default
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| 15:42 | <bieb> I did
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| 15:42 | <Gadi> oh sorry
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| 15:42 | <bieb> np
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| 15:42 | <Gadi> confused by the 2 pastes
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| 15:43 | <bieb> ohh the first paste was a refresh of the browser by accident
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| 15:43 | <Gadi> so, with this lts.conf it fails to boot, but with no lts.conf it boots?
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| 15:43 | <bieb> correct
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| 15:44 | <Gadi> crazt
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| 15:44 | *crazy
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| 15:44 | <bieb> I know
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| 15:44 | <Gadi> something's fishy
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| 15:44 | <bieb> pulling out what hair I have left.. :D
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| 15:45 | <Gadi> try having *just* those three lines
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| 15:45 | remove all the other comments and cruft
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| 15:45 | <bieb> I know.. its not like I have a whole bunch of info in there
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| 15:45 | ok.. I will ...
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| 15:45 | do i need to run ltsp-update-image??
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| 15:45 | <Gadi> nope
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| 15:46 | <bieb> is it possible that is what caused the issue?
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| 15:46 | <alkisg> bieb: is that the ltsp 4.2 installation, or the ltsp 5 one?
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| 15:46 | <Gadi> not unless you edited something you shouldn't have in /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 15:46 | <bieb> ltsp5
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| 15:46 | on ubuntu9.04
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| 15:47 | <alkisg> OK... what do you have in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf ?
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| 15:47 | <bieb> I can remove the lts.conf in /opt/ltsp/i386 also
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| 15:47 | alkisg: http://pastebot.ltsp.org/463
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| 15:47 | <alkisg> Ah, ok I thought that was the /opt/ltsp/i386 one...
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| 15:48 | <bieb> Gadi: once I remove all the comments I will repaste the new one
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| 15:50 | <ltsppbot> "bieb" pasted "Gadi updated lts" (26 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/464
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| 15:51 | <Gadi> beautiful
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| 15:51 | how come it says 26 lines?
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| 15:51 | oh - I see
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| 15:51 | hehe
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| 15:51 | you're good
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| 15:54 | <bieb> I wanted to include the location of the file, which shows at the bottom of the screen
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| 15:55 | <Gadi> so, did you reboot the client?
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| 15:56 | <bieb> getting ready to in a second...
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| 15:56 | <Gadi> ah, ok
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| 15:59 | <bieb> same issue
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| 16:00 | <Gadi> bieb: can you try again with no lts.conf?
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| 16:00 | <bieb> yep.. back in a few
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| 16:00 | * Gadi worries that bieb broke something in his chroot | |
| 16:01 | <Gadi> nothing worse than a broken chroot
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| 16:01 | unless, maybe, a chroot canal
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| 16:01 | :)
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| 16:01 | what? everybody's sleeping?
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| 16:03 | <Gadi> bieb, my friend, I need to run - gotta pick up the kids
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| 16:03 | all we're after is a working chroot, a shell, and a dream
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| 16:03 | <bieb> ok
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| 16:03 | <Gadi> good luck
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| 16:03 | <bieb> I will be around tomorrow
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| 16:04 | thanks
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| 16:04 | <Gadi> ok
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| 16:04 | let me know how it goes, I'll leave IM open
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| 16:04 | <bieb> ok
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| 16:04 | I will leave you an update
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| 17:03 | <atomic007za> is there anyway that when you do a ltsp-build-client that you dont have to do it off the net?
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| 17:10 | <alkisg> atomic007za: you can use --mount-cdrom, if you have an appropriate cd-rom (e.g. the ubuntu alternate cd)
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| 17:13 | <atomic007za> If have updated the system, is this still a good idea?
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| 17:13 | if so would it be: ltsp-build-client --mount-cdrom
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| 17:14 | <alkisg> No, the sources would need to include the cd rom
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| 17:15 | ltsp-build-client --extra-help lists all the options
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| 17:15 | <atomic007za> thanks
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| 17:18 | <Ahmuck-Jr> *yawn*
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| 18:11 | <_aegis_> /init: .: 1: Can't open /tmp/net-eth0.conf
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| 18:11 | sound familiar?
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| 18:32 | <Gadi> _aegis_: that usually means you either have more than one NIC in your client or you lack the proper network driver in the initramfs
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| 18:34 | <_aegis_> one nic, and it properly loads the network driver a few lines up
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| 18:35 | or seems to
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| 18:35 | http://aegis.eat-peet.net/img/diskless.png
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| 18:37 | <Gadi> seems the network driver is loaded, but ipconfig is failing
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| 18:38 | try editing /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 18:38 | and adding: break=mount
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| 18:38 | to the kernel comman line
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| 18:38 | that should boot the client to an initramfs> prompt
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| 18:38 | from there, you can try typing: ipconfig -d eth0
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| 18:39 | and see if it works
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| 18:41 | <_aegis_> did it, exited, boot worked.
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| 18:41 | <jammcq> hey friends
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| 18:41 | <_aegis_> and the network works
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| 18:44 | <Gadi> _aegis_: weird... I think someone else had this issue
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| 18:44 | <_aegis_> I know a ton of people have had a similar issue
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| 18:44 | but none of the solutions worked for me
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| 18:45 | <Gadi> I think most cheat and add IPAPPEND 3 to their pxelinux.fg/default file
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| 18:45 | <_aegis_> which does?
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| 18:45 | <Gadi> if you add a second line like that to that file,
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| 18:45 | it uses the IP info it gets from the PXE request as the IP for the OS
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| 18:45 | without requesting a second time
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| 18:45 | <_aegis_> which is what's supposed to happen anyway...
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| 18:45 | <Gadi> you can try it
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| 18:45 | <_aegis_> because it mounts nfs
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| 18:46 | <Gadi> no, normally, the initramfs runs ipconfig to get the IP
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| 18:46 | <_aegis_> oh okay
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| 18:46 | hmm
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| 18:46 | <Gadi> before it mounts nfs
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| 18:46 | <_aegis_> works for me if it works :)
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| 18:46 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 18:46 | cheater
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| 18:46 | :)
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| 18:46 | I gotta run
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| 18:46 | good luck!
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| 18:46 | <_aegis_> thanks
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| 18:48 | thanks a ton - it works :)
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