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Channel log from 18 August 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:04 | <gnunux> hi
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| 03:56 | <rickogden> hi all
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| 04:00 | <alkisg> Good morning
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| 04:02 | <rickogden> is there a way of checking the current connections of the NBD server?
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| 04:03 | I'm getting the error: nbd0: unknown partition table
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| 04:10 | <rickogden> I am right in thinking that if I edit something in /opt/ltsp/i386 I just need to run ltsp-update-image -a i386 in order for the client to be altered on next boot?
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| 04:10 | <alkisg> rickogden: that "unknown partition table" message is just a warning, ignore it
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| 04:11 | To check the connections, just run netstat -nap | grep 2000
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| 04:11 | <rickogden> thanks
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| 04:11 | <alkisg> About ltsp-update-image, yes, you're right
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| 04:11 | <rickogden> alkisg: remember that sleep command you told me to put into ltsp_nbd?
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| 04:12 | <alkisg> What about it?
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| 04:12 | <rickogden> it doesn't seem to be working... I rebuilt the image, added that line and it just seems to ignore it
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| 04:13 | I changed it to 30, and it doesn't wait for 30 seconds
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| 04:13 | I asked about ltsp-update-image to make sure what I was doing was correct
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| 04:14 | <alkisg> But it was working before, right?
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| 04:14 | <rickogden> it was
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| 04:14 | which is rather strange
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| 04:14 | <alkisg> OK. I got some work to do now, if you don't manage to solve it I'll be available in some hours...
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| 04:15 | <rickogden> thanks alkisg
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| 04:53 | <garymc> Hi I just got a PoE netgear switch and plugged it into my Ltsp server
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| 04:54 | I now need to configure the switch, but I dont know how to find out its IP address on my system.
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| 04:54 | The Netgear help says type "SHOW NETWORK" but my terminal window says not installed
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| 05:38 | <rickogden> I think lts.conf is being ignored :(
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| 05:57 | <biomorph> Hi all.....
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| 05:58 | I also seem to have a problem with lts.conf not reflecting in the client.
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| 05:58 | I have set up /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 05:59 | but if I log on to thin client getltscfg -a shows nothing.
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| 05:59 | On my test system this works fine.
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| 06:04 | <alkisg> Guys, paste your lts.conf and your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to pastebin
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| 06:04 | !pastebot
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| 06:04 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: "pastebot" :: The LTSP pastebot is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 06:14 | <rickogden> alkisg: what I've done is I've built a new client from scratch, and added the break=mount parameter to the kernel line in the gpxe boot file
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| 06:16 | <biomorph> http://ltsp.pastebin.com/ZcgJsJkw
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| 06:17 | alkisg: http://ltsp.pastebin.com/ZcgJsJkw
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| 06:18 | <garymc> alkisg : my dhcpd.conf file http://pastebin.com/KrG9MQJ4
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| 06:18 | <alkisg> garymc: sorry I meant the other 2 guys with the lts.conf problem
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| 06:19 | biomorph: can you explain line 24?
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| 06:19 | That's the wrong path (and it's what is used for lts.conf)
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| 06:19 | <garymc> oh right. Anyone know how I can find out the IP addy of my netgear managed PoE switch
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| 06:25 | <biomorph> alkisg: No I can't - I didn't set it up. Do you mean the line ## & -
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| 06:25 | <alkisg> filename "ltsp/i386/boot/nbi.img";
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| 06:26 | That one usually reads filename "ltsp/i386/nbi.img";
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| 06:26 | <rickogden> when I try to connect using the command: nbd-client ip 2000 /dev/nbd0 I just get the error immediately "Negotiation: Error: Server closed connection"
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| 06:26 | <alkisg> biomorph: So someone put the extra "boot" there
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| 06:27 | rickogden: is the nbd server running? netstat -nap | grep 2000 on the server
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| 06:28 | <rickogden> alkisg: it is, it says: tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:2000 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 14798/inetd
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| 06:28 | <rickogden> if I run the the nbd-client command, for a brief period of time it has another line that says
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| 06:29 | tcp 0 0 146.87.119.32:2000 146.87.65.232:54310 TIME_WAIT -
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| 06:29 | so it is in some way connecting to it
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| 06:30 | <biomorph> alkisg: Mmm - interesting. Also on my working system it is the full path - so it starts with /
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| 06:30 | I'll look into it.
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| 06:31 | <alkisg> rickogden: open the logs monitor from the system menu, and try it again, and see if you get any new error messages there
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| 06:33 | <rickogden> alkisg: ah, for some reason it's looking for ltsp/images/amd64.img (which doesn't exist because I only built the i386 client)
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| 06:34 | do I need to build an amd64 image as well if the server is 64 bit?
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| 06:36 | <AndyGraybeal> morning guys
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| 06:38 | <alkisg> rickogden: no, just change your /etc/inetd.conf
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| 06:39 | <rickogden> alkisg: on the server or chroot?
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| 06:39 | <alkisg> server
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| 06:39 | sudo gedit /etc/inetd.conf and search for amd
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| 06:40 | <biomorph> alkisg: OK - so I'm trying to understand the filename in dhcpd.conf . Is that relative to /var/lib/tftpboot? If if I have the leading / ?
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| 06:42 | <rickogden> alkisg: thanks, lets try this again...
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| 06:43 | <alkisg> biomorph: yes, it's relative, and the leading / doesn't really matter. Also, that particular line in dhcpd.conf is used as the lts.conf dir.
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| 06:43 | <rickogden> alkisg: excellent! Problem solved! Thanks
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| 06:55 | <rauz> how do i add new network drivers to the client image ?
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| 06:55 | <rickogden> ok, so now it works with the break=mount option, if I remove that and rebuild the image after adding the sleep after the line "ip link set lo up" it just seems to ignore it and fails to connect to nbd server
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| 06:58 | hmm, lunch is needed, will persevere with this this after :)
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| 07:04 | <alkisg> rauz: for ubuntu, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/AddingModules
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| 07:06 | <rauz> thx alkisg
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| 07:12 | <biomorph> alkisg: Thanks - removing the boot directory solved my problem - many thanks.
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| 07:33 | <_UsUrPeR_> who monitors the ltsp-discuss list?
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| 07:46 | <rickogden> back, I have put the sleep in the right place haven't I? Under the line `ip link set lo up`?
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| 08:38 | <rickogden> hmm... I put echos before and after the sleep I put in ltsp_nbd, and they don't come up on the screen, nor does it wait long enough for a 30 second sleep
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| 08:52 | <xcaliber> I suppose this wouldn't be the right place to ask about making knoppix use swap space provided by nbd in a stable manner?
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| 09:12 | <alkisg> xcaliber: here's an example usage: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/annotate/head%3A/client/initramfs/scripts/ltsp_nbd
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| 09:14 | And another one (ltsp has 2 scripts for nbd swapping) at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/annotate/head%3A/client/initscripts/ltsp-init-common
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| 09:14 | rickogden: to update ltsp_nbd, you need to chroot update-initramfs -u and ltsp-update-kernels. NOT ltsp-update-image.
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| 09:17 | <rickogden> alkisg: thanks
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| 09:21 | alkisg: you're my hero! :D
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| 09:22 | <alkisg> Heh, looking at the logs (link at the topic) might be easier next time ;)
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| 09:25 | <rickogden> I did have a look through... but couldn't find anything that helped :(
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| 09:27 | <alkisg> I meant our previous chat... but np, glad you got it working
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| 09:28 | <rickogden> alkisg: I actually documented it... but my documentation was wrong, I am now correcting it for future reference :)
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| 10:45 | <jammcq> hey friends
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| 10:53 | <jwhite> hey jammcq. how's life these days?
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| 11:00 | <knipwim> johnny: yes, looks like dracut for gentoo is nearing completion
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| 11:00 | when i got some time to spare, i'll look at the overlay
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| 11:25 | <jammcq> hey jwhite
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| 11:26 | life is BUSY
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| 11:26 | <jwhite> hopefully it's a good busy.
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| 11:26 | <jammcq> yeah, mostly
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| 11:26 | just trying to keep the customers happy
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| 11:26 | you what that's like
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| 11:27 | <jwhite> yeah :-/
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| 11:27 | <jammcq> how's things with you?
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| 11:27 | <jwhite> things are good here
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| 11:27 | busy as well, and the mac market keeps us hopping
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| 11:27 | heck, I won employee of the month (I have a wack pr firm :-/)
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| 11:28 | <jammcq> cool. We're preparing for the annual LTSP hackfest. something we call 'LTSP-By-The-Sea'.
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| 11:28 | <jwhite> say, I was talking to a guy with a 550 computer high school, thinking about ltsp, and it got me to wondering: why doesn't ltsp rule the world?
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| 11:28 | <jammcq> it's about 50% technical, 50% social
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| 11:28 | <jwhite> ah, cool; where is it?
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| 11:28 | <jammcq> maybe you'd like to join us
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| 11:29 | http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_ByTheSea2010
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| 11:29 | <jwhite> ah, maine, right; seems like there's been good ltsp conferences there for years.
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| 11:30 | <jammcq> we usually get 16-18 people
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| 11:30 | it's a chance to get together face-to-face and hash out some tech stuff
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| 11:30 | <jwhite> ah, cool. wineconf is in paris this year, november 13th.
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| 11:30 | <jammcq> and then enjoy some lobster and beer
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| 11:30 | ooooh, nice
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| 11:30 | you going?
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| 11:30 | <jwhite> we do much the same, without the lobster
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| 11:30 | <jammcq> heh
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| 11:31 | <jwhite> yeah, wineconf is my main chance to let what few hairs I have left down
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| 11:32 | <jammcq> nice. I spent a week in Paris a couple years ago. had an amazing time there
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| 11:32 | that's right, scotty and I headed there right after leaving Minneapolis
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| 11:33 | <jwhite> yeah, that's right, that was what, 3 years ago now?
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| 11:33 | <jammcq> ummm
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| 11:34 | i'm not even sure
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| 11:34 | I think it was 2006
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| 11:34 | <jwhite> see, it's so long ago that neither of us remembers, and ltsp still doesn't rule the world. bugs me.
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| 11:34 | I was sure someone was going to make a killing installing meellions of ltsp desktops by now.
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| 11:34 | <jammcq> heh
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| 11:57 | <dberkholz> the problem is that the same people who want to install ltsp are usually short on cash, thus ltsp. so they won't want to hire anyone unless we make it too hard to install, but we're going the other way =P
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| 12:14 | <bix0r> Hi, I am getting an error when running "/usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter /tmp add" through ssh: fusermount: mount failed: Operation not permitted -- How can I debug this?
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| 12:20 | <Gadi> bix0r: usually means the user you are running it as is not in the "fuse" group
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| 12:20 | or does not have perms to execute fusermount
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| 12:32 | <bix0r> Gadi: the user is actually a ldap user, but gets fuse group from groups.conf and is manually added into /etc/groups, So "id USER" shows the user in the fuse group
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| 13:06 | <Gadi> bix0r: sounds like your LDAP fuse group gid does not match your server's fuse group gid
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| 13:07 | bix0r: on Ubuntu, keeping server groups in LDAP is asking for trouble
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| 13:08 | bix0r: you should instead either add the ldap users to the local system group OR setuid the fusermount executable and change perms on /dev/fuse (in udev) to 666
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| 13:21 | * alkisg guesses that will change when fat clients become more widespread... central image + administration with modern hardware ==> not only for people short in cash anymore :) | |
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| 13:24 | <bix0r> Gadi: does the user have to have the fuse group as primary group ? I think I remember something regarding that ...
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| 13:25 | <Gadi> bix0r: nope
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| 13:25 | but the gid for your ldap group must be the same as the local system group
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| 13:25 | doing it the way you are doing it
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| 13:27 | <bix0r> Gadi: I actually don't use the ldap groups, just changed /etc/security/group.conf, so that all users will get fuse and other groups
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| 13:37 | Gadi: I think this could work: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LocaldevCommonGroupWorkaround
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| 13:40 | <alkisg> I think the problem where the floppies/cds were showing in all desktops when the users had the same common primary group was fixed some time ago...
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| 13:41 | So I don't think that page applies to recent ltsp versions
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| 14:01 | <bix0r> alkisg: yeah, you are right. It just fixes that problem
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| 14:03 | I got this working the same ldap tree on a lucid server a while ago, and I just updated it to lucid and it still works :) ... just cant get this new server to do it ... and I cant see the difference
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| 14:44 | <Mip5> Hey Gang - I've setup my ltsp server to use firefox as a localapp. It works fine, but I can't print to the printer directly. The printer is available for non-localapps like openoffice. Is there a way to make this work?
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| 14:46 | <Gadi> Mip5: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LocalAppsLucidPrinting
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| 14:46 | <Mip5> Cool - I hadn't seen that.
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| 14:46 | <Gadi> not sure if you need to install all of cups in the chroot, but it sure won't hurt
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| 14:47 | you should only need cups-client and cups-bsd
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| 14:47 | or some such
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| 14:47 | heck, you may even want to just try doing the last step first
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| 14:47 | maybe stgraber took care of the chroot for you
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| 14:49 | <Mip5> Fantastic - I'll give this a shot. In a way, not being to print from the web is attractive to me. if the students really want something useful, they could copy it to an openoffice doc and print from there. That said, folks like to print from the web anyway, so this will help.
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| 16:28 | <bix0r> Found out my problem with the fuse stuff. It had nothing to do with ltsp! Is a known bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sudo/+bug/423252 and I "fixed" it by installing nscd
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| 17:34 | <Cubber> is it possible to boot an original xbox with pxe and use it as an ltsp thin client?
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| 17:34 | <vagrantc> probably not
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| 17:34 | <Cubber> I have 3 of them sitting around that are hacked and running xbmc, wondering if I could boot them with a etherboot dvd or something and make it work
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| 17:34 | <vagrantc> aren't they powerpc based?
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| 17:35 | <Cubber> the original one not the 360
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| 17:35 | * vagrantc isn't familiar | |
| 17:35 | <Cubber> it can run gentoo
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| 17:36 | <vagrantc> well, in that case ... if you can get it to network boot, there's no reason it wouldn't work with LTSP
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| 17:36 | presuming the network card is supported
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| 18:38 | <abeehc-_> http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Cromwell_Manual
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| 23:42 | <hughessd> hi, can anyone tell me why an LTSP server wouldn't allow the thinClients internet access after a reboot?
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