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Channel log from 29 March 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 12:25 | <johnny> hi
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| 12:45 | <antocm> Does anyone knows about suspending a session in one LTSP terminal, and opening the same session again from another terminal?
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| 13:03 | <johnny> dberkholz, you about yet?
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| 14:22 | <dberkholz> johnny: i'm around for a few minutes, that's about it till later tonight
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| 14:25 | <johnny> later tonight when?
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| 14:25 | <dberkholz> johnny: it's the weekend, i don't really have a firm schedule =)
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| 14:25 | it's 12:30pm localtime now, maybe after dinner (7?)
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| 14:26 | <johnny> i won't be back till approx 11pm EST so that's good
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| 14:27 | kinda having problems with the bind mounts in the ltsp-setup init script i modded
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| 14:27 | it's impossible to start a service before checkroot in baselayout 1.x without modding /sbin/rc .. but maybe i'm doing something wrong
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| 14:28 | i have a working ltsp-client ebuild other than that tho
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| 14:28 | been awhile since i wrote an ebuild
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| 14:30 | <dberkholz> johnny: oh, i think there's some interesting hacks in baselayout to deal with diskless setups.
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| 14:30 | johnny: i'll have to take a look for them later
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| 14:31 | <johnny> or .. we could try out baselayout2
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| 14:31 | it is in portage now
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| 14:31 | and seems on track to be used officially?
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| 14:32 | some bugs seem to imply that at least
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| 14:32 | <dberkholz> openrc is what you want
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| 14:32 | <johnny> yes.. openrc + baselayout2
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| 14:32 | <dberkholz> sure, we can try it out
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| 14:33 | might require some work, but it'll have to happen at some point anyway
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| 14:33 | <johnny> there's already workarounds in there for openvz, xen,uml, and such things
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| 14:33 | ok.. so .. that's what i'll do i suppose
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| 14:40 | <wwx> greetings to all
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| 18:00 | <petre> evening all
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| 18:00 | <jammcq> hey petre
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| 18:01 | <petre> hey jammcq
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| 18:02 | so, ltsp by the sea...
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| 18:02 | <jammcq> yeah
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| 18:02 | <petre> do you have any dates picked?
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| 18:02 | November, right?
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| 18:02 | <jammcq> either late october or early november
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| 18:03 | <petre> can I humbly request that it not be the first weekend of November?
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| 18:03 | <jammcq> well... you can request it. there's lots of factors that go into the planning
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| 18:04 | <petre> That's right before the election, and my wife will be swamped then which means I'll be minding the kids and wouldn't be able to make it
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| 18:04 | <jammcq> I would actually prefer last week of october
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| 18:04 | <petre> I realize that. I'll just toss my request out there in case no one else has any preferences
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| 18:04 | <jammcq> but we'll see what works for everybody
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| 18:04 | <petre> I think that might be okay, too
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| 18:05 | <jammcq> although I'd want to be back home before halloween
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| 18:05 | <petre> good enough.
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| 18:05 | so, Brazil--when do you go?
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| 18:05 | <jammcq> which pushes us back to the previous weekend, which is Oct 23-26
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| 18:05 | I leave on Apr 15th for brazil
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| 18:06 | <petre> earlier October would be better for me, too.
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| 18:06 | is this the same thing that you and sbalneav went down for a couple years ago?
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| 18:07 | <jammcq> yeah
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| 18:07 | scotty's been there twice. this'll be my 7th visit to brazil
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| 18:09 | <petre> wow. do you go every year?
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| 18:09 | <jammcq> umm, yep
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| 18:10 | <petre> who are you meeting there?
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| 18:10 | <jammcq> there's a conference, but I've become very good friends with some of the guys down there
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| 18:10 | now, it's more about the people than the conference
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| 18:12 | <petre> are there people down there who are ltsp contributors?
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| 18:12 | <jammcq> yeah
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| 18:12 | <petre> i.e., show up on #ltsp
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| 18:12 | <jammcq> and LOTS of users
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| 18:12 | yeah, guaraldo, mhterres, mfdutra and a few others
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| 18:12 | they don't say much here
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| 18:13 | but they have deployed LTSP at a university there, with over 1300 terminals on a cluster of servers
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| 18:13 | <petre> Yeah, I've read that there's a lot of FOSS activity in Brazil
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| 18:13 | What's on the agenda for their conference?
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| 18:14 | <jammcq> http://fisl.softwarelivre.org/9.0/www/capa
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| 18:19 | <petre> too bad I don't read Portuguese
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| 18:20 | <jammcq> click on 'speakers'
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| 18:20 | you'll at least see who's gonna be there
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| 18:22 | <petre> Lotsa Sun folks, I see
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| 18:25 | actually, a lot of big FOSS names
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| 18:29 | <jammcq> yeah, many of them are there every year
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| 18:29 | like maddog
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| 18:34 | <petre> what's up with ogra? I just came across his message about "stepping back".
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| 18:36 | <jammcq> yeah, he's since changed his mind tho
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| 18:39 | <petre> well, that's good. was he just feeling abused by the arc linux folks?
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| 18:40 | or perhaps misunderstood?
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| 18:46 | <petre> okay, just learned a new thing about fedora, which I'm trying to get ltsp5 loaded onto in prep for our irc lesson with Warren tomorrow:
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| 18:46 | I installed from the F8 live CD, afterwhich, you must be logged into the console in order for ssh to allow a connection from another host
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| 18:48 | anyway, warren's going to show dyoung, cliebow, and me how to to 'ltsp-fedora' devel, and we'll try to help him get it ready in time for f9
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| 18:48 | s/to to/to do/
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| 18:49 | mostly working on bug squashing
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| 19:14 | <jammcq> petre: ooh, that's way cool
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| 19:15 | i'll be hanging around tomorrow
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| 19:15 | <petre> yeah, I haven't done much w/ltsp recently and I want to get more into it
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| 19:16 | plus I don't want warren to suffer the same fate as Eric
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| 19:17 | the hard part is finding the time: in addition to my day job, I'm teaching linux admin at the local tech college
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| 19:17 | it's fun, but time consuming
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| 19:17 | <jammcq> wow
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| 19:17 | cool
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| 19:17 | <petre> what I *really* would like to do is eventually teach a class on ltsp admin
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| 19:18 | not sure if there's an audience yet, though
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| 19:19 | Jeremy Anderson, who you may remember, includes now includes LTSP in his level III linux admin class
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| 19:19 | <jammcq> wow
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| 19:19 | there's a book out called 'X power tools' that includes 2 chapters on LTSP
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| 19:20 | <petre> I can't fathom why ltsp isn't just sweeping through schools, as it's so much cheaper, will do everything the kids need
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| 19:20 | but then I figure people just don't know or grok the concepts
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| 19:21 | or in the case of the techs at my kids' school, the techs don't care
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| 19:21 | but they burn out supporting all those Macs.
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| 19:23 | anyway, warren wants/needs help, and despite spending much of my time in ubuntu for the past year, I still think in yum & rpm terms
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| 19:23 | so I want to help where I can
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| 19:24 | one of the 'easy' bugs, according to warren, is getting pulse audio working
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| 19:25 | we'll see if his description is accurate ;-)
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| 19:25 | <jammcq> well... "easy" is a relative term
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| 19:26 | <petre> who's the author on 'X Power Tools'?
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| 19:26 | Is this related to O'Reilly's 'Unix Power Tools'?
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| 19:27 | <jammcq> well, it's an O'Reilly book, in the 'Power tools' series
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| 19:27 | I was one of the technical editors for the book
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| 19:30 | <petre> hmm, might have to go pick this book up
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| 19:31 | I have a barnes & noble gift card in my wallet from xmas asking to be spent
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| 19:32 | I've got one of the books from the multi-volume series on X from the early '90s
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| 19:32 | but it's getting rather out of date, although still good for basic X stuff
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| 19:37 | bbiab, gotta take my son to a sleepover...
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| 21:11 | <vagrantc> well, got some more patches done on the train ride today :)
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| 21:11 | <jammcq> you traveling again?
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| 21:12 | <vagrantc> jammcq: heading to spain tomorrow
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| 21:12 | jammcq: just got to nyc today
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| 21:12 | <jammcq> dude !!!!
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| 21:12 | that's some heavy duty traveling
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| 21:13 | what's going on in spain?
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| 21:13 | <vagrantc> junta de extremadura is hosting some debian related working meetings
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| 21:13 | <jammcq> wow, cool
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| 21:14 | <vagrantc> i'll be focusing on LTSP integration for debian-edu, which basically just means debian. :)
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| 21:14 | <jammcq> I haven't heard about debian-edu for quite a while
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| 21:14 | <vagrantc> mostly i'm needed to try and grab some of ogra's patches, generalize them a bit so that they will work for debian-edu
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| 21:15 | jammcq: it's still going strong, for sure.
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| 21:15 | jammcq: extremadura is amazing, and they're working on merging with debian-edu, as they've got *huge* school-based deployments.
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| 21:16 | i think something like 80,000+ desktops in the regions schools and government facilities ...
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| 21:16 | <jammcq> yeah, I remember talking to some of those guys last year
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| 21:17 | <vagrantc> i think mostly disk'ed workstations ... but there's definitely some interest in LTSP
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| 21:19 | surely in a system that big, there's room for a few thin clients... :)
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| 22:55 | <johnny> vagrantc, hey :)
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| 23:12 | * vagrantc waves to johnny | |
| 23:13 | <johnny> sup now?
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| 23:14 | ther than your trip to spain
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| 23:14 | <vagrantc> i'm making sure to wear my body out good before i get on the plane.
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| 23:14 | <johnny> when's your flight?
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| 23:14 | <vagrantc> tomorrow evening
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| 23:14 | <johnny> you're in my timezone..
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| 23:14 | but still too far :(
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| 23:15 | at least too far with the amount of disposable income i have :)
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| 23:15 | <vagrantc> the only income i have is disposable...
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| 23:15 | or at least, that's how i treat it.
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| 23:16 | but i'm probably a fool.
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| 23:16 | <johnny> hmm.. you should be funded properly
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| 23:16 | i think that is the real problem here :)
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| 23:18 | so when are we gonna get some tarballs?
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| 23:18 | on ltsp.org
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| 23:19 | it'd be nice to have ones that match the version in release.conf
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| 23:20 | <vagrantc> well, you'd have to talk to someone with upload access to ltsp.org
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| 23:20 | although technically, the distro that tags the release should probably be the one's responsible for putting up the tarball.
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| 23:21 | as different versions of autotools might generate somewhat different Makefile's
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| 23:21 | <johnny> i figured it'd be automatic.. for nightlies too.. :)
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| 23:22 | <vagrantc> why tarballs instead of just from bzr ?
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| 23:22 | for snapshots, anyways...
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| 23:22 | <jammcq> vagrantc: maybe we can focus on that at the portland hackfest
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| 23:22 | <johnny> so i dont' have to have every gentoo user have bzr
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| 23:22 | ?
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| 23:22 | <vagrantc> jammcq: should i attempt to reserve space at freegeek ?
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| 23:22 | <johnny> err require every gentoo user to have bzr
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| 23:22 | <dberkholz> eh?
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| 23:23 | <jammcq> vagrantc: umm, seems like a good idea. Unless there's somewhere else. We should settle on the date soon tho.
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| 23:23 | <vagrantc> jammcq: i'm guessing eharrison might be able to offer at least a backup space
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| 23:23 | and a lot more bandwidth ...
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| 23:23 | <jammcq> yeah, prolly. It'd be really nice to be somewhere very close to the public transit
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| 23:24 | <dberkholz> first i've heard about this ... what's the timeframe?
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| 23:24 | <vagrantc> dberkholz: right before oscon
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| 23:24 | <dberkholz> crap.
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| 23:24 | <jammcq> dberkholz: vagrant posted something several weeks ago
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| 23:24 | prolly july 21st-ish
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| 23:24 | or possibly right after oscon
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| 23:24 | <vagrantc> dberkholz: yeah, i posted it to the ltsp-developer list...
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| 23:24 | <dberkholz> i'm at another conf from that friday till wed morning of oscon
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| 23:24 | after would work
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| 23:24 | <vagrantc> for shame.
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| 23:25 | <jammcq> we should poll the usual suspects and see what works best
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| 23:25 | <vagrantc> maybe i should make another call to the list getting dates that do or don't work for folks.
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| 23:25 | <dberkholz> i guess i should finally subscribe to it, this is the first thing i've really missed =P
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| 23:25 | <jammcq> vagrantc: when do you return from spain?
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| 23:25 | <vagrantc> jammcq: shamefully, quite soon ...
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| 23:25 | <jammcq> bummer. seems like you really took a liking to spain
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| 23:25 | what city this time?
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| 23:26 | <vagrantc> merida and a bit more madrid
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| 23:26 | <jammcq> ah
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| 23:26 | * jammcq really enjoyed sevilla | |
| 23:26 | <jammcq> and the trip down to gibralter
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| 23:26 | <vagrantc> my ecological conscience has a hard time justifying a 1 week trip across the ocean
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| 23:27 | <jammcq> vagrantc: rest easy knowing the plane is making the trip whether you are on it or not
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| 23:27 | <vagrantc> jammcq: i've never really found that argument too convincing...
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| 23:27 | gvy: so, i've got a lengthy reply to your lengthy post :P
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| 23:29 | <dberkholz> alright, i'm subscribed now.
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| 23:29 | my folder list takes up almost three pages worth of 120-line terminals now
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| 23:30 | * vagrantc uses mutt's tab-completion to select folders | |
| 23:30 | <vagrantc> although i don't have nearly so many lists...
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| 23:30 | <dberkholz> so do i, but i use the sidebar patch to scroll through and find ones with unread messages
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| 23:33 | <johnny> vagrantc, i can understand your ecological concern..
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| 23:34 | <vagrantc> dberkholz: i probably just don't have comparable volume, and offlineimap sort of doubles as a new message checker...
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| 23:34 | <johnny> but even in the us.. flying is cheaper than riding a train.. that's sorta sickening
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| 23:34 | driving to new york for me.. is about $60, train is almost triple
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| 23:35 | <dberkholz> vagrantc: it's more low volume spread across a ton of lists
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| 23:35 | 2 here, 5 there, etc.. on and on
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| 23:35 | <vagrantc> just as often, people can't figure out how to dedicate the time
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| 23:35 | <jammcq> ok, nighty night folks. Vagrantc, have a safe trip if I don't talk to you tomorrow.
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| 23:37 | <vagrantc> jammcq: thanks :)
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| 23:37 | <johnny> why does sf mailing list archives interface suck so badly
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| 23:38 | :(
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| 23:38 | <dberkholz> most things sf do, unfortunately
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| 23:38 | <johnny> sure.. but that thing.. is UGGH
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| 23:38 | <vagrantc> because it's attempting to display something in one format using a different one?
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| 23:38 | <johnny> there are nice web archive viewers..
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