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Channel log from 29 January 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:32 | <codey> hi there
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| 02:32 | anyone around? got some problem with my ltsp setup..
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| 02:32 | clients do not set there own hostname anymore :/
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| 02:32 | => wrong resolution for x
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| 03:42 | <sep> codey, what did you change ?
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| 03:44 | codey, if you defined a hostname file in the chroot i think it overrules the hostname from dhcp/dns. Personaly i use mac address directly in lts.-conf
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| 05:58 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> jammcq: good mornin'
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| 06:48 | <antgel_> hi, is ltsp-build-client a muekow-only thing? i've looked, but it's not obvious to me
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| 06:48 | <ogra> yes it is
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| 06:49 | <antgel_> ogra: thanks. i should have read more docs before getting going - my users need local printing and i'm not sure that muekow supports that
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| 06:50 | <ogra> it does from edgy on ...
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| 06:51 | (or etch if you use debian)
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| 06:51 | <antgel_> ogra: i'm using etch
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| 06:51 | :)
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| 06:51 | ogra: are you involved in development?
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| 06:51 | <ogra> yep
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| 06:53 | <antgel_> ogra: you sounded knowlegeable :)
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| 06:53 | <ogra> heh :)
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| 06:54 | <antgel_> so let me ask you this...
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| 06:54 | i've set up a basic ltsp system here, all works great, but can't quite get my head around local printing
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| 06:55 | <ogra> look if lp_server is in the client chroot somewhere
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| 06:55 | <antgel_> i understand that i need a stanza in lts.conf with the hostname, but how do i know a machine will always get a certain hostname?
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| 06:55 | <ogra> i'm not sure debian kept it ...
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| 06:55 | <antgel_> do i bind hostname to mac address somehow?
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| 06:56 | <ogra> use the MAC address :) .... i never use hostnames
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| 06:56 | <antgel_> ogra: oh, you can do that in lts.conf?
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| 06:56 | <ogra> sure
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| 06:57 | <antgel_> so why would anyone want to mess around with hostnames and dhcp?
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| 06:57 | <ogra> there is an example lts.conf including a printserver setup in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client
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| 06:57 | (unless debian ripped that out)
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| 06:57 | <antgel_> it's there
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| 06:58 | hmm. lp_server OTOH appears to not be present
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| 06:59 | <antgel_> does this mean i need to use ltsp 4 - rm /opt/ltsp and install it again with ltspadmin instead of apt?
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| 07:00 | ogra: nb the lts.conf example doesn't contain anything about mac addresses ;)
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| 07:02 | <ogra> it does in the ubuntu package
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| 07:03 | well, you could use ubuntu edgy instead
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| 07:03 | printing works there for sure
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| 07:04 | <antgel_> ogra: i know, but this is on an existing server and it's too much churn to reinstall the OS
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| 07:05 | i don't think users will notice a difference with v4, from what i gather it's more an infrastructure thing (v5)
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| 07:05 | <ogra> what kind of printer is that ?
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| 07:05 | <antgel_> a crappy usb samsung ml-1610
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| 07:05 | <ogra> https://launchpad.net/~ogra/+branch/ltsp/feisty-ltsp-jetpipe
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| 07:06 | pull that bzr branch, and use the diff of the last two versions
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| 07:06 | its the netx generation print server for ltsp ... you need top copy the pieces in place manually, but it works
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| 07:08 | <antgel_> i swear i just don't get all these new-fangled tools - whether it's ruby on rails on launchpad, the simplicity confuses me :)
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| 07:09 | s/on/or
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| 07:10 | <ogra> there is a link to the bazaar homepage on the LP page ... it has howtos
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| 07:14 | <antgel_> i'll have a look - thanks
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| 07:21 | <antgel_> ogra: when you say "use the diff of the last two versions", what do you mean? in my world, i use one version or another :)
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| 07:21 | <SiCk> what exactly does ltsp-build-client do, anyone?
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| 07:22 | <antgel_> SiCk: heh, it creates an ltsp install using your package manager
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| 07:22 | i say heh as i wasn't sure either
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| 07:22 | <SiCk> ah
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| 07:22 | <ogra> get the output of bzr diff -r455..457 for that branch
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| 07:22 | there was only one file added and three lines chnaged in the initscript of the ltsp client
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| 07:23 | <SiCk> i'm hoping if i run that, it'll set my clients back to their defaults
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| 07:23 | after my kiosk booboo
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| 07:23 | <ogra> so add that file and change these lines and it should even work to print on debian clients ;)
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| 07:23 | SiCk, rm -rf /opt/ltsp/i386 first
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| 07:23 | then you can rebuild
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| 07:24 | but why didnt your kiosk work ?
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| 07:24 | <SiCk> first it was looking for a theme that didnt exist, got that sorted and it started saying it'd logged the machine out before 10 seconds
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| 07:25 | the machine was freezing up at that point
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| 07:26 | so i'll rebuild and try again
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| 07:26 | <ogra> how much mem doe it have ?
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| 07:26 | *does
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| 07:26 | <SiCk> 128 i think
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| 07:26 | <ogra> that should suffice
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| 07:26 | <SiCk> but it booted linux before the kiosk thing
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| 07:26 | <SiCk> yeah
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| 07:27 | <ogra> did you add the users home4dir to the right variables, so it gets RW ?
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| 07:27 | <SiCk> did everything that was in the directions... if it didnt mention it then probably not... haha
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| 07:28 | ill try it again after this rebuild anyway and see what happens
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| 07:32 | back in an hour everyone. back soon
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| 07:33 | <ogra> make sure to have it in the copy_dirs variable in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/default/ltsp-client-setup
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| 07:33 | as well as "/var/lib/gdm" needs to be in rw_dirs#
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| 07:33 | -#
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| 07:35 | <SiCk> i'll talk to you later about it if you're around ogra :) thanks mate.
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| 08:13 | <antgel_> ogra: okay, got the diff. just a case of copying jetpipe to usr/sbin and manpage to usr/man? where does start_printer go?
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| 08:14 | <pscheie> morning all
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| 08:15 | <antgel_> ogra: and when it's installed, is it just a case of configuring as per http://ltsp.mirrors.tds.net/pub/ltsp/docs/ltsp-4.1-en.html#AEN696?
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| 08:17 | ogra: and another thing. don't i need the ip address / hostname of the workstation in order to configure the print queue?
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| 08:38 | <jammcq> g'morning
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| 08:39 | <pscheie> hey jammcq
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| 08:39 | <etyack> morning
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| 08:40 | <pscheie> jammcq: any idea why shutting down an ipaq via ltspinfo would prevent the ipaq from responding to a wake-on-lan packet?
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| 08:40 | <jammcq> pscheie: there's various "shutdown" modes
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| 08:40 | <pscheie> The ipaq wakes up if I've shut it down via its power switch, but not if shutdown via ltspinfo
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| 08:41 | Can I control those modes in ltspinfo?
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| 08:42 | apparently the switch mode leaves the NIC in wol mode
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| 08:42 | <jammcq> umm
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| 08:42 | it's been a long time since I looked at that
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| 08:42 | <pscheie> I've read elsewhere about people trying to get the kernel to leave the nic in wol-aware mode
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| 08:42 | don't know much more at this point
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| 08:43 | what does ltspinfo -s do exactly?
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| 08:44 | <jammcq> it does a '/sbin/init 0'
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| 08:44 | <pscheie> hmm...
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| 08:45 | <jammcq> runlevel 0 does: /etc/rc.shutdown
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| 08:45 | which does a: /sbin/haltsys
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| 08:45 | <jcaceres> hello guys, i have a question, i've seen that when a terminal loose conection with the server it starts obcesing trying to get conecter to the server againg, is it posible to me the terminal take another action?
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| 08:47 | <jcaceres> i mean beacuse i have to servers and i would like to make the terminal conects to the other server
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| 08:47 | <Gadi> jcaceres: just for X or for NFS as well?
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| 08:47 | if, just for X, there is some X load balancing code on the wiki
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| 08:48 | you can use that to modify startx
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| 08:48 | http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#X_Load_Balancing
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| 08:49 | <jcaceres> i have two servers in the same lan and some of the terminals conect to one or another server ramdomly, but those are identicals servers
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| 08:50 | i know that it's needed to reboot the terminal to make a nother nfs conection, so i would like to know if it's posible to make that happen
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| 08:51 | <jammcq> jcaceres: if you've booted a thin client, and mounted it's root filesystem via NFS, and that NFS server goes away, you are pretty much stuck, until either that server comes back, or you reboot the server
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| 08:52 | <jcaceres> instead of trying to connect to the same server again i would like the terminal reboots it's self and get the dhcp offer from the other server
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| 08:56 | so, is it possible to program the thin client to take other actions?
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| 08:57 | <jcaceres> jammcq, with pxe i load in to mamommry of a terminal a small linux, is that correct?, can i modify that small limux to take other actions?
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| 08:58 | <jammcq> no, that's not correct
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| 08:58 | you load a kernel and an initramfs
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| 08:58 | <g333k_work> hi, what jcaceres wants to know is if the clients could reboot itself when the server goes away
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| 08:58 | <jammcq> which then does a NFS mount to get the real root filesystem
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| 08:59 | <Gadi> jcaceres: why not just edit "startx" such that the user has to hit a key within a certain amount of time to reconnect after X dies, otherwise the terminal reboots
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| 08:59 | <jammcq> and the initramfs is freed up
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| 08:59 | <Gadi> that should *still* work even when NFS drops, since startx will be in RAM
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| 09:05 | <jammcq> Gadi: hmm, not likely. startx may still be in ram, but it's a shell script, and it's gonna call other commands that may or may not be in ram
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| 09:05 | <Gadi> all you would need is bash which is already in RAM
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| 09:07 | <jammcq> maybe i don't know what you are trying to do
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| 09:11 | <jcaceres> Gadi, in my experince, whe nfs goes out i can do nothing in the terminal, i do not have even a bash
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| 09:11 | <Gadi> you would still have the "startx" shell
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| 09:14 | <Gadi> jcaceres: try adding these lines to the end of startx:
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| 09:14 | TMOUT=5
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| 09:14 | read restartx && echo "Restarting X..." && exit 0
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| 09:14 | shutdown -r now
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| 09:15 | <jcaceres> u mean "/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/screen.d/startx"?
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| 09:15 | <Gadi> right
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| 09:15 | (and on a test server, please)
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| 09:16 | (TMOUT can be made longer, too, in practice)
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| 09:16 | 5 seconds may be too short
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| 09:17 | also, you *may* need to change the first line of startx to: #!/bin/bash
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| 09:17 | I'm not sure if TMOUT is a "bash" thing or a "sh" thing
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| 09:17 | <jcaceres> hummm, ok, but to execute shutdown wouldn't it need to have the shoulddown script?
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| 09:17 | <Gadi> I think shutdown does exist
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| 09:17 | oh
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| 09:17 | right
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| 09:18 | because of NFS
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| 09:18 | duh
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| 09:18 | <jcaceres> shutdown exist ut in the server
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| 09:18 | exactly
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| 09:19 | so, what is exactly what remains in the terminal that can be modified to reboot the terminal
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| 09:20 | <Gadi> not much
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| 09:21 | <jammcq> you need a ram-based os on the thin client
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| 09:21 | that's not what ltsp is
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| 09:22 | <Gadi> or a statically compiled shutdown command that can be copied to /tmp when the thin client boots up
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| 09:22 | <pscheie> could one build a module that is loaded as an option that does this?
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| 09:22 | <jcaceres> jammcq, i have some doub's about what u said aboy the kernel and initramfs
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| 09:22 | <jammcq> doubts?
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| 09:22 | <Gadi> questions
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| 09:22 | <jammcq> tell me more
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| 09:22 | <Gadi> jcaceres: brazillian?
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| 09:23 | jammcq: doubts = "questions"
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| 09:23 | <jammcq> Gadi: I know what 'doubts' means. i'm wondering what his 'doubts' are :)
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| 09:23 | <Gadi> ah, ok
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| 09:23 | just clarifying ;)
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| 09:23 | * jammcq has been around the block once or twice | |
| 09:23 | <jcaceres> i dont exaclt udnertadn what the kernel and the initramfs doesm where can i get some documentation about it?
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| 09:23 | <Gadi> I know. I've been the one chasing you ;)
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| 09:23 | <jcaceres> Gadi, peruvian
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| 09:24 | <jammcq> ah, peruvian, that's not to far from brazil :)
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| 09:24 | <jcaceres> no, we are good neighbors,
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| 09:24 | <cliebow_> jammcq: i am looking over windows dhcp response to ibook..i have next server ip address as my ltsp server..but server hostname comes up "not given"..think this is significant?
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| 09:25 | <jammcq> hostname of the server doesn't sound important, but with windows dhcp, who knows
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| 09:25 | <pscheie> Gadi: Could your oss-alsa sound package break a previously working client's sound?
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| 09:25 | I dusted off an old client with an ISA SB card last night
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| 09:26 | used to work great pre-ltsp 4.2
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| 09:26 | <cliebow_> bootfilrname is correct..almost seems that the arp resolution is what is borking it
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| 09:26 | <Gadi> pscheie: you may need to specify the correct alsa module
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| 09:26 | <pscheie> but I got all kinds of ALSA errors when it booted up
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| 09:26 | syntax?
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| 09:27 | <jcaceres> jammcq, where can i gat info about that kernel that is loaded, and initramfs?
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| 09:27 | <pscheie> OTOH, when I put in a cheap 'We Rook You' brand PCI sound card, which had never worked previously, it worked just fine
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| 09:28 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:28 | <Gadi> pscheie: are you specifying SMODULE_01?
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| 09:28 | <pscheie> no
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| 09:28 | didn't try that
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| 09:28 | <sbalneav> Morning all!
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| 09:29 | <Gadi> pscheie: you may need to specify the right sound module
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| 09:29 | like you did with the maestro3 cards
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| 09:29 | and then let me know
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| 09:29 | I'll update the list
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| 09:29 | <cliebow_> ogra_:any feel for significance of arp resolution for macintosh netboot?
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| 09:29 | <pscheie> correction: yes, I did specify the SMODULE_01 = "sb ..."
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| 09:29 | <Gadi> if you need "sb", use "snd-sb8" or "snd-sb16"
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| 09:30 | <pscheie> had to, since the card is ISA
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| 09:30 | <jammcq> cliebow_: arp resolution has to work, no getting around that
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| 09:30 | <Gadi> (8-bit or 16-bit)
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| 09:30 | <jammcq> i'm wondering why you think it's not working
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| 09:30 | <pscheie> 16
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| 09:30 | <Gadi> so, use "snd-sb16"
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| 09:30 | instead of "sb"
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| 09:30 | <pscheie> what's the diff, as far as module loaded?
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| 09:31 | <Gadi> ("sb" = OSS, "snd-sb*" = ALSA)
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| 09:31 | <pscheie> oh, sorry, missed what you just wrote
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| 09:31 | okay, I'll try it tonight. Thanks.
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| 09:31 | I suppose if I'd looked at the
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| 09:31 | <antgel_> what do i set in lts.conf for uk keymap? i've looked but me and ltsp documentation don't get on so well :)
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| 09:32 | <cliebow_> looking at the packets i see no arp is-at packets..from any machjine..at least in the few seconds i captured
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| 09:32 | <pscheie> audiolist-alsa file, I'd have seen that (?)
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| 09:32 | <jammcq> cliebow_: how are you capturing the packets?
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| 09:32 | <cliebow_> wireshark on a hub
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| 09:33 | <jammcq> with a filter?
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| 09:33 | or no filter
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| 09:33 | <cliebow_> with ibook and my aantichrist laptop..no filter
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| 09:33 | <jammcq> are you seeing the 'who has' arp requests?
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| 09:33 | <pscheie> Actually, looking at audiolist-alsa, I don't see any mention of 'SoundBlaster'
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| 09:33 | <jcaceres> cliebow, some card cannnot capture some packets in wireshark, i am not sure why
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| 09:34 | <Gadi> pscheie: "SoundBlaster" is kind of a catch-all generic
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| 09:34 | <cliebow_> who has from a bunch of diff machines
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| 09:34 | <jammcq> but no arp replies?
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| 09:34 | <pscheie> right, but what should one look for when one has an actual SB (TM) card?
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| 09:34 | <cliebow_> jcaceres:when netbooted from linux all is great..dont think it can be the card
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| 09:34 | <pscheie> I suppose even then 'it depends' because they probably change chipsets
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| 09:35 | between models
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| 09:35 | <cliebow_> no replies..on the network..but i should let it run a while to be sure
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| 09:35 | <Gadi> pscheie: could be. When you have a chance, at a shell on the terminal, try and get the PCI id
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| 09:36 | <pscheie> If it's ISA, is there a PCI id?
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| 09:36 | <Gadi> ah, true
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| 09:36 | good point
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| 09:36 | * Gadi keeps swinging and missing today | |
| 09:36 | <pscheie> Like I said, the PCI card I tossed in there worked right out of the box, and it had never worked before
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| 09:36 | * Gadi looks around for a pinch hitter | |
| 09:36 | <cliebow_> need a longer vine Gadi 8~)
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| 09:37 | * pscheie pats Gadi on the back in thanks for that one | |
| 09:37 | <Gadi> :)
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| 09:38 | <pscheie> now my box of stubborn PCI audio cards is empty, while my box of ISA cards is overflowing
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| 09:38 | should probably just pitch the ISA cards
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| 09:39 | This dusty old client--P166, no drives, just a DisklessWorkstations NIC w/bootprom is good for demos, showing off old equip that's lihgtning fast
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| 09:39 | <cliebow_> i see no is at packets on the network after ohh 45 seconds
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| 09:40 | ohh i see one..
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| 09:40 | from the managed switch
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| 09:59 | <efra> Morning everybody
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| 13:14 | <Blinny> Hi - I followed the directions at http://dipe.de/tipps/ltsp_nvidia to get my nvidia hardware acceleration going, however I'm having trouble combining this approach with fixing my ImPS/2 usbmouse and its scrollwheel. If I custom-define a xorg configuration, I can get the mouse to work but not the module or x4_module for hardware acceleration.
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| 13:14 | Unfortunately I'm not sure which directive is preventing the scrollwheel from functioning correctly.. (Maybe Input Device CorePointer or AlwaysCore?)
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| 13:16 | I had thought it was ZAxisMapping, but with the nVidia method, those directions show up in the (strangely, two) Mouse sections in /tmp/XF86Config.1 on the client.
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| 13:22 | <vagrantc> anyone have opinions, and ideally links to more info, regarding nfs over tcp vs. nfs over udp ?
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| 14:10 | <Blinny> I have a special xorg configuration file in /tftpboot/lts/ltsroot/etc -- in lts.conf I specify it with XF86CONFIG_FILE = xorg_configuration_file -- when the client terminal boots it says "xorg_configuration_file not found!" -- is there a special permission setting or path I should be giving? lts.conf.readme says to just put it in that directory and provide the filename.
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| 14:10 | <vagrantc> Blinny: full path
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| 14:10 | <craigbass1976> Can someone give me a brief rundown of what you need to get ltsp up and running? I just got off the phone with a school IT guy and he's having a bunch of trouble. I got, over the phone, what his error was, but the syntax may be off. pxe-> eb no pxe err
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| 14:11 | I'd never heard of any pxe being involved, but I have never tried ltsp either...
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| 14:11 | <pscheie> craigbass1976: clients can boot using pxe or etherboot
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| 14:12 | <craigbass1976> Is there a walkthrough anywhere for getting it going from start to finish?
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| 14:13 | <vagrantc> craigbass1976: what distro?
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| 14:13 | <Blinny> vagrantc: Lemme check it. Thanks.
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| 14:14 | <pscheie> There's the ltsp wiki: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42#Installation_of_LTSP_4_2
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| 14:14 | <craigbass1976> Any. Right now I guess he's running k12 ltsp 6 which I believe is fedora-based
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| 14:15 | <pscheie> yes, k12ltsp is fc-based, latest version is on fc6
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| 14:15 | Installation is dead simple
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| 14:15 | <craigbass1976> It jsut comes with the install discs?
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| 14:15 | <pscheie> yes
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| 14:15 | <craigbass1976> Wonder why he's having trouble...
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| 14:15 | <pscheie> During installation, it's one of two installation choices, and it's selected by default
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| 14:15 | To mess it up, you have to really try
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| 14:15 | <craigbass1976> is etherboot easier to set up than pxe?
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| 14:16 | <pscheie> There's nothing really to setup
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| 14:16 | <vagrantc> pxe is actually easier, i would say.
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| 14:16 | <craigbass1976> I'm still running FC5. Is it available for my distro?
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| 14:16 | <vagrantc> but not by a lot.
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| 14:16 | <pscheie> sure, LTSP can be added to most distros
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| 14:17 | or you can still download the k12LTSP 5 which is FC5
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| 14:17 | <vagrantc> could be an old PXE implementation on your thin-clients
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| 14:17 | some of the older network cards were really buggy
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| 14:17 | <craigbass1976> I'm worried about rpm hell though, checking yum repos...
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| 14:17 | <pscheie> How is he booting the clients?
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| 14:17 | Net boot setting in bios? etherboot floppy?
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| 14:17 | <craigbass1976> I'm not sure.
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| 14:18 | I think he might have tried it both ways
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| 14:18 | <pscheie> etherboot floppy is pretty easy
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| 14:18 | <pscheie> what exactly does he see?
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| 14:18 | <Blinny> vagrantc: Yeah that didn't work either. It still says "File not found!"
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| 14:18 | <pscheie> Is the client getting an IP address? Is it downloading a kernel?
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| 14:18 | <vagrantc> Blinny: full path, relative to /opt/ltsp/i386 ?
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| 14:19 | <Blinny> vagrantc: Wouldn't the full path be relative to the terminal's root?
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| 14:19 | <vagrantc> Blinny: yeah.
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| 14:19 | <Blinny> vagrantc: The lts.conf says to put this file in /tftpboot/lts/ltsroot/etc/
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| 14:19 | <pscheie> knowing where it's failing will make fixing it much easier
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| 14:19 | <craigbass1976> As far as I know, only the error I pasted, but I didn't talk very long with him. He also said the server was giving out addresses on the wrong interface
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| 14:19 | No idea. I'll set it up at home then talk to him again.
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| 14:19 | <vagrantc> Blinny: hm... i'm not real familiar with ltsp 4.x
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| 14:19 | <craigbass1976> Do you need a honking server for just one client?
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| 14:20 | <Blinny> vagrantc: (unless I should create /opt/ltsp/i386/tftpboot...)
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| 14:20 | <pscheie> no
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| 14:20 | <Blinny> craigbass1976: No.
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| 14:20 | <craigbass1976> Ok.
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| 14:20 | Thanks folks.
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| 14:20 | <pscheie> I'm using a P3 700mhz laptop for testing 3 clients
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| 14:21 | <pscheie> vagrantc: do some NICs come with PXE booting abilities?
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| 14:21 | <vagrantc> pscheie: yes, any recent NIC will have PXE built-in.
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| 14:21 | s,any,most,g
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| 14:22 | <pscheie> even cheapo Realtek 8139 cards?
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| 14:22 | <vagrantc> recent, as in the last 5-7 years or so.
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| 14:22 | * vagrantc isn't sure. | |
| 14:22 | * pscheie has never bothered to read the docs with 8139 cards | |
| 14:24 | <Blinny> Aergh.
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| 14:25 | Dontchya need a recent BIOS to do hands-off no-floppy booting though?
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| 14:27 | Where is the X configuration file found for a typical, no-options-specified booting client?
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| 14:27 | <pscheie> anyone have recommendations on a good gigabit card for use in a server?
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| 14:28 | I've heard Intels don't tax the CPU as much as, say, Realtek based cards
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| 14:29 | <Blinny> pscheie: I've used both Broadcom NBM5708 and Intel's 82571EB cards
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| 14:30 | ack
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| 14:30 | :s;NBM;BCM
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| 14:31 | <bricode> I've got PXE on a Realtek 8100.
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| 14:32 | <Blinny> oops
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| 14:40 | <bricode> vagrantc: Are you using the NFS for fat clients?
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| 14:41 | <vagrantc> bricode: i've played with doing it a little, but not for more than 1-2 machines yet.
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| 14:42 | <bricode> vagrantc: I've been playing with both setups as well. I've noticed a few odd things with the fat client setup.
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| 14:43 | <vagrantc> bricode: i've only experiemented with anonymous logins- no network authentication or home directory mounting
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| 14:43 | <nofxx> Hello!! xD I'm using ubuntu 6.10 with ltsp... when some clients with a ecs mb semprom 64 AM2 tries to connect I get a ACPI: Getting cpuindex acpiid 0x1 .... then Kernel panic... and the thin client won't boot..... I don't have idea what it is... please help
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| 14:45 | <bricode> vagrantc: I did some network monitoring. It takes 86 MB from boot to login screen in thin client mode.
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| 14:46 | <nofxx> does ubuntu alternate comes with ltsp5 ? should be better for me ? booting fat clients thu PXE
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| 14:47 | <bricode> vagrantc: Whoops. Wrong results.
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| 14:48 | vagrantc: Fat client setup (Edubuntu w/Gnome) 70 MB from boot to login screen, 115 MB from boot to Desktop (after login).
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| 14:49 | vagrantc: Thin client (Edgy/Gnome) start to desktop: 85.6 MB.
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| 14:49 | <Blinny> nofxx: Have you tried passing "acpi=off noacpi" to the client via an option 128 setting in dhcpd.conf ?
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| 14:49 | <nofxx> Blinny: gonna try it now!
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| 14:49 | <bricode> vagrantc: It's odd because I woule have thought the thin client version would be much better on transfer.
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| 14:50 | <Blinny> nofxx: Read here: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/KernelOptions
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| 14:50 | <bricode> vagrantc: Also noticed that fat client uses ~30kbit/s to do NFS maintenance...not really sure what it's doing, but might have scalability issues.
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| 14:51 | <Blinny> wait I don't think you want noacpi.. I think that's for noapic (;
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| 14:51 | damn acronyms...
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| 14:52 | <nofxx> Blinny: ty for the help man! ...hmm it reads ACPI.. adv conf and power interface....hehe from wikipedia
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| 14:53 | <cliebow_> nofxx: add ltsp5 with apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone
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| 14:53 | <Blinny> nofxx: APIC == 'advanced programmable interrupt controller"
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| 14:54 | <nofxx> cliebow: ty, gonna try...
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| 14:54 | <vagrantc> bricode: it bet a huge portion of the thin-client data transfer is LDM.
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| 14:54 | <nofxx> Blinny: damn acronyms... xD
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| 14:55 | gonna try to fix with my current and then make another install for the server with ltsp 5 to compare
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| 14:55 | <bricode> vagrantc: To run the xorg server locally?
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| 14:56 | <nofxx> Blinny: i need to change /tftpboot/lts/2.4.26-ltsp-2/pxelinux.cfg/default so... right ?
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| 14:56 | hhehe.... noacpi=true ?? xD
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| 14:57 | <vagrantc> bricode: no- that will be about the same, however, when using LDM, i bet it loads more files than GDM... ldm is written in python with glade, and reads a lot of files....
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| 14:57 | <Blinny> nofxx: Yeah, I think you could do it that way. The way I know of is editing dhcpd.conf with 'option' flags.
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| 14:57 | <vagrantc> bricode: compare it to a thin-client boot configured to use XDMCP instead of LDM ...
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| 14:58 | <Blinny> nofxx: And you want to use "acpi=off"
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| 14:58 | <bricode> vagrantc: Good point.
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| 14:59 | <nofxx> Blinny: i'm a lil lost... using this common mb boot thu lan I'm using etherboot pxe?
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| 14:59 | * vagrantc wonders if there is much optimization that could be done for ldm ... | |
| 14:59 | <nofxx> *etherboot or pxe
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| 14:59 | <Blinny> nofxx: I have no idea. Which are you using?
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| 14:59 | nofxx: Why not just put it in dhcpd.conf so it covers both bases?
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| 14:59 | <vagrantc> there aren't many systems which have etherboot built in
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| 15:00 | i suspect it's pxe
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| 15:00 | <nofxx> Blinny: more then perfect!
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| 15:00 | <bricode> Does anyone have a decent link to the current state of Local Apps?
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| 15:00 | <vagrantc> bricode: for ltsp 5 ?
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| 15:00 | <bricode> vagrantc: Yeah. In particular under Ubuntu.
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| 15:01 | <nofxx> Blinny: option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00;
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| 15:01 | option option-129 "acpi=off"; rock on?
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| 15:01 | <vagrantc> bricode: i don't think there's been much development. it's dependent on a lot of the same stuff that the FAT client stuff is waiting on (network authentication, primarily, i think)
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| 15:02 | <bricode> vagrantc: Yeah, I was confused when I first tried the fat client build. It was like it's own little install in /opt/ltsp
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| 15:02 | <Blinny> nofxx: Yes.
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| 15:02 | <vagrantc> bricode: yes, that's the whole point.
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| 15:03 | bricode: to make better use of high-end clients
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| 15:03 | bricode: and reduce the load on the server ...
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| 15:03 | <bricode> vagrantc: Are people thinking of using it as a ro system so that multiple clients can use it at the same time?
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| 15:03 | <vagrantc> bricode: yes.
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| 15:04 | <bricode> vagrantc: and do time sensitive applications.
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| 15:04 | <vagrantc> bricode: that is, as far as i know, the only way people are intending to use it.
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| 15:04 | bricode: right, it's much easier to do media-intensive applications locally ...
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| 15:04 | <bricode> vagrantc: and mounting /home as r/w using some authentication scheme?
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| 15:04 | <Blinny> nofxx: Be sure to restart dhcpd so that the values take.
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| 15:04 | <bricode> vagrantc: Yeah, video and voip are much better in the fat client setup.
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| 15:05 | <vagrantc> bricode: probably ...
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| 15:09 | <Blinny> nofxx: I've gotta go. If that doesn't work, then try setting "acpi=off" in your 'default' file. (Mine is at /tftpboot/lts/pxe/pxelinux.cfg)
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| 15:09 | G'luck.
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| 15:56 | <PMantis> Anyone here that can help work some sed magic?
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| 15:57 | echo /var/spool/asterisk/monitor/q8008--1170090472.305-out.WAV | sed s/^.*\(...\)$/\1/
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| 15:57 | = no joy
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| 15:57 | Expecting: WAV (only print the last 3 letters)
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| 15:57 | Shouldn't be this hard!!
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| 16:03 | <sbalneav> you need:
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| 16:03 | sed -e "s/^.*\(...\)$/\1/"
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| 16:03 | /usr/legal/home/aicra/.imap/Junk/new# echo /var/spool/asterisk/monitor/q8008--1170090472.305-out.WAV | sed -e "s/^.*\(...\)$/\1/"
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| 16:03 | WAV
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| 16:04 | <nofxx> hum..i'm trying to add the "option option-128" acpi=off... but it says "option-128 unkown option"
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| 16:04 | <PMantis> Ugh
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| 16:04 | <sbalneav> nofxx: Are you booting etherboot?
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| 16:05 | Or PXE?
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| 16:05 | <PMantis> sbalneav, Thanks! So -e = actually process regex, and not whatever you feel like?
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| 16:05 | :)
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| 16:05 | <nofxx> sbalneav: im trying to understand that too..hehe.. I'm booting from a ecs nforce motherboard... with the build in lan boot
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| 16:06 | built-in
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| 16:06 | <sbalneav> nofxx: It's probably pxe
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| 16:06 | <nofxx> sbalneav: cool... the problem is im having a "acpi cpuiindex 0x1" then in the next line "Kernel panic" and the client dosen't boot
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| 16:07 | <sbalneav> take a look at the pxelinux.cfg/default file in your tftp area.
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| 16:07 | <nofxx> on a older machine here it boots sucesfully... its a nforce2 mb
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| 16:07 | sbalneav: ok..let me see
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| 16:11 | sbalneav: the file has only 1 line "DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img quiet splash"
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| 16:11 | <sbalneav> Add the "noacpi" option before the "splash"
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| 16:12 | <nofxx> gotcha.. ""DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img quiet noacpi splash"
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| 16:12 | need to restart it?
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| 16:13 | <sbalneav> You'll need to reboot the client.
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| 16:13 | <nofxx> yup.. restarted it... same error...... I mean the server
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| 16:15 | <sbalneav> The SERVER's getting this error?
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| 16:15 | Or the client?
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| 16:15 | <nofxx> the client
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| 16:15 | "ACPI: Getting cpuindex for acpiid 0x1"
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| 16:15 | next line:
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| 16:15 | Kernel Panic - not sync.....
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| 16:16 | <sbalneav> I'd say the kernel doesn't like that mobo on the client.
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| 16:17 | <nofxx> sbalneav: wow dude.. thats bad... there are 40 computers! the same mb hhahaha
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| 16:18 | i tryed the option of ACPI in the bios.... there is not a DISABLE>. heheh
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| 16:18 | there is S1, S3 and S1&S3
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| 16:20 | too hard to try another kernel ?
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| 16:27 | <vagrantc> nofxx: try "acpi=no" instead of "noacpi"
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| 16:27 | er...
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| 16:27 | acpi=off
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| 16:28 | <nofxx> cool...let's see.. ty
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| 16:30 | vagrantc: now the acpi error is gone...hum... but the Kernel Panic is there....
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| 16:30 | so wasn't that causing the kernel panic.... sh**
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| 16:31 | 26.116630] Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill int!
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| 16:31 | 26.116668]
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| 16:31 | blank like the last one...
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| 16:31 | *blank line
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| 16:33 | *kill init
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| 16:40 | <nofxx> humm..someone told me here earlier, but no history here... what's the command to upgrade to ltsp5 ? i'm on ubuntu
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| 16:40 | maybe.. who knows... 5 get support for this mobo
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| 17:04 | <mistik1> anyone around?
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| 17:05 | I have a network question, If I wanted to probe for an unused subnet on the network what would be the best way to go about it?
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| 17:22 | <cliebow> mistik1: got me..you r subnet mask is?
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| 17:27 | <nofxx> there are support for more mobos on v5?
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| 17:27 | <cliebow> jammcq: can you redirect my mail for me...wife wants to switch isps again
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| 17:27 | v5?
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| 17:28 | <nofxx> I have a Kernel panic: sync...... and a blank like after.... just it... dont know how to debug it
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| 17:28 | ltsp v5
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| 17:28 | 5.0
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| 17:28 | dunno
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| 17:28 | *blank line
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| 17:28 | <cliebow> ahhh..it kernel panics just afger kernel loads?
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| 17:29 | <nofxx> yup... after the network boot.. found the server.. download somthing...
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| 17:29 | screen goes blank
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| 17:29 | then...error
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| 17:29 | <cliebow> so the initramfs isnt being loaded?what kernel are you using?
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| 17:30 | <nofxx> cliebow: sorry man.. I'm new.. but I get there... hehe... dont know about ititramfs... let me see...... how to check the kernel?
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| 17:30 | <cliebow> like grep filename /etc/dhcpd.conf..assuming that is where dhcpd.conf is
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| 17:30 | <nofxx> the client pc is a ecs nforce motherboard... for amd socket am2
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| 17:31 | <cliebow> dhcpd.conf should be pointing to some kernel
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| 17:31 | <nofxx> in a nforce2 mobo it runs perfect... checking that.. 2 secs
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| 17:32 | <cliebow> ../lts/vmlinuz--->
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| 17:34 | some mobos just suck..ntw
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| 17:34 | <nofxx> i have vmlinuz... and vmlinuz-2.6.17.10-386
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| 17:35 | but that is not on /etc/dhcp or /etc/ltsp/dhcp or /pxelinux.cfg/default xD
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| 17:36 | this guy bought 40 pcs with the same mobo for his cyber cafe...
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| 17:36 | oh my...
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| 17:36 | hahah
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| 17:37 | <cliebow> where is dhcpd.conf?anyway..if you look in like /tftpboot/lts do you have vmlinuz-2.6.16.1-ltsp-2?
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| 17:38 | <nofxx> dhcpd.conf on /etc/ nothing on it
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| 17:38 | and /etc/ltsp/ ... its working.. i guess
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| 17:39 | <nofxx> inside /tftpboot/ltsp/i386/ i have vmlinuz-2.6.17.10.-386 too
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| 17:39 | not vmlinuz-2.6.16.1-ltsp-2
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| 17:41 | sorry, dhcpd is in /etc/dhcp3/ not only /etc/
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| 17:41 | .conf
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| 17:41 | i'm on ubuntu 6.10, btw
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| 17:42 | <cliebow> ohhh..is this ubuntus ltsp or ltsp4.3 installed from ltspadmin?
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| 17:42 | must be 4.2
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| 17:42 | <nofxx> how to check ? dont have this executable
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| 17:43 | <cliebow> or is it all mixed in together?
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| 17:43 | you installed with ltsp-server-standalone
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| 17:44 | <nofxx> yes
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| 17:44 | downloaded a ton of things
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| 17:45 | <cliebow> you/ll notisw vmlinuz is a simlink to to vmlinuz-2.6-->
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| 17:45 | <nofxx> true
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| 17:46 | <cliebow> there is also a file named initrd there too even though it really is an initramfs
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| 17:46 | <nofxx> yup! .img
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| 17:46 | <cliebow> you are pxe booting these terminals?
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| 17:47 | <nofxx> i guess so... I'm using the built in network boot
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| 17:47 | its a nforce C51PV chipset
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| 17:47 | onboard lan
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| 17:47 | <cliebow> it seems like for some reason the initrd is not being recognized
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| 17:48 | ogra:feel free to smack me up side of the head anytime
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| 17:48 | <nofxx> a nforce2 mobo worked... have I said that ?heh
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| 17:48 | <cliebow> i need ot look on my lappie.bbiab
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| 17:49 | <nofxx> ok!
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| 17:56 | <nofxx> the last words before the panic are:
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| 17:56 | Loading vmlinuz.........
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| 17:56 | Loading initrd.img..............
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| 17:56 | Ready.
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| 17:56 | <cliebow_> nofxx:have you editted /var//lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default?
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| 17:57 | <nofxx> only to place "acpi=off" there
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| 17:57 | its one line.. let me see
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| 17:57 | "DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img quiet noacpi splash"
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| 17:58 | sorry
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| 17:58 | "DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img quiet acpi=off splash"
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| 17:59 | <cliebow_> wouldnt work before the dit either huh
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| 17:59 | wouldnt work before the edit either huh
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| 17:59 | <nofxx> without the no acpi it showed something like "ACPI: getting cpuindex 0x1"
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| 17:59 | and the panic
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| 17:59 | now only the panic... heheh
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| 18:04 | my laptop just booted perfect too!!! godam*&*&* this mobo!
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| 18:04 | <cliebow_> want to post all you know about the mobo..numbers..model?
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| 18:05 | Gigabyte GA-K8N51GMF-9??
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| 18:05 | <nofxx> sure.. ECS C51GM-M / northbridge nvidia C51PV/G / southbridge MCP51/G
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| 18:05 | its with a semprom 64...am2
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| 18:07 | wow man... this ltsp thing is really awesome.... perfect on the lap....
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| 18:08 | <cliebow_> that is the client?? a 64 bit client?
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| 18:08 | <nofxx> yes... the guy want to save the hd money
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| 18:09 | and later put hd and vga to play games
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| 18:10 | oh my.... you can't boot 64 bits?
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| 18:11 | <cliebow_> you have 40 64 bit clients? holy..this sounds.. like a ? for ogra..i dont know if the current kernel will do it.perhaps yo can use the generic kernel..which has smp support..it isd out of my keagur..
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| 18:12 | <vagrantc> is the server 64 bit?
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| 18:12 | <nofxx> 40 clients, 4 servers, wasn't me who tought about this setup.. heheh.. just appeared here
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| 18:12 | yes
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| 18:12 | I was thinking about using ubuntu server 64... should be better?
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| 18:13 | <cliebow_> use the 64 bit server kernel?
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| 18:13 | what kernel is runing the server?
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| 18:13 | /boot/grub/menu.lst shouls sat
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| 18:14 | <nofxx> the only way I remember is to wait for the screensaver shows it to me.. xDD
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| 18:14 | <mistik1> you should be able to boot a 64bit proc with a 32bit kernel no probs
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| 18:14 | <nofxx> kiddin.. sorry.. what is the command ?
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| 18:14 | <cliebow_> mistiki1: seemslike the initrd wont load
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| 18:15 | <mistik1> uname
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| 18:15 | <cliebow_> nofxx:uname -r..sorry senior moment here..
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| 18:15 | <nofxx> 2.6.17-10 generic
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| 18:16 | <cliebow_> i defer to mistik1
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| 18:18 | i am out of my league nsfxx...
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| 18:18 | <mistik1> If this is the Ubuntu stuff its best to ask them guys how to work that out
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| 18:19 | <nofxx> ok...gonna try my luck there.... ty guys!!
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| 18:20 | murphy's law 88797: when you buy more then 39 units of the same hardware, it'll not work for you.
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| 18:33 | humm.... in my daemon.log ... i have
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| 18:33 | "in.tftpd[5067]: tftp: client does not accept options"
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| 18:34 | could be related?
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| 19:02 | <cliebow> hmmm. maybe see what tftp server you have?? dpkg -L|grep tftp..somethinmg likr that
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| 19:06 | <nofxx> ok.. i'm givin up of using ubuntu... what is the best distro to use ltsp ??
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| 19:17 | <jammcq> hello
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| 20:40 | <vagrantc> !bestltspdistro
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| 20:40 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "bestltspdistro" is whatever you prefer
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| 20:40 | <vagrantc> nofxx: got that?
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| 20:40 | <bricode> cute
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| 20:41 | <nofxx> vagrantc: hi man.... no.. no go... acpi is off.. the acpi error goes away
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| 20:41 | but still the kernel panic
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| 20:41 | i dont know how to debug it...
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| 20:41 | <vagrantc> nofxx: i was asking ltspbot about which is the best ltsp distro ...
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| 20:42 | <nofxx> ahhh..huahauh sorry...
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| 20:42 | xD
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| 20:42 | <vagrantc> nofxx: ok, so you're currently running ubuntu ...
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| 20:42 | <nofxx> yup.;;;; i386
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| 20:42 | <vagrantc> are you loading via pxe or etherboot?
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| 20:43 | <nofxx> pxe... its a ecs mobo..with a semprom 64 am2
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| 20:43 | <vagrantc> is "quiet" in your boot arguments? like in pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 20:43 | <nofxx> fat client without hard disk
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| 20:43 | yes
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| 20:43 | quiet acpi=off splash
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| 20:43 | <vagrantc> remove it and see if it gives you any more useful information
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| 20:43 | <nofxx> cool
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| 20:45 | booting..let's see
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| 20:45 | <vagrantc> of course now, you may have information overload ... but ...
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| 20:46 | <nofxx> yes.. i see....2 more lines before panic:
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| 20:46 | Capability LSM initialized
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| 20:46 | NET: Registered protocol family 17
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| 20:46 | Kernel panic....
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| 20:46 | xxxx] "blank line"
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| 20:46 | <vagrantc> so, your server and all the thin clients are amd64 ?
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| 20:47 | <nofxx> yes
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| 20:47 | <vagrantc> have you installed amd64 binaries ?
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| 20:47 | or just the i386 version?
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| 20:47 | <nofxx> nope.. the server is i386
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| 20:48 | <vagrantc> but the hardware could support 64 bit?
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| 20:48 | <nofxx> i used the simple installer..never used ltsp.... ltsp-server-standalone i think....
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| 20:48 | yes.. it is running nice...
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| 20:48 | now that you are saying this, 32 bits pcs are booting.....
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| 20:48 | but i dont have abother 64 mobo to test here...
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| 20:48 | <vagrantc> and the 64 bit ones aren;t ?
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| 20:48 | ok ...
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| 20:48 | <nofxx> the server is running i386 nice, i mean
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| 20:49 | i was away from the linux world later... the 64 versions are working cool nowdays?
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| 20:49 | <vagrantc> nofxx: you could build an amd64 LTSP environment, and then copy it to your i386 server ...
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| 20:49 | so i hear
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| 20:50 | <nofxx> vagrantc: thats sounds cool... there is some tuto ?
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| 20:50 | or maybe its better I install ubuntu 64 ?
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| 20:50 | then the ltsp image will be 64 too ??
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| 20:51 | <vagrantc> right, but you should (at least in theory) be able to build a 32 bit LTSP environment on a 64 bit server. it's trickier the other way around.
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| 20:51 | so you could have both a 64 bit and 32 bit environment ...
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| 20:51 | <nofxx> wait.... running 32 easy to put 64 too... that's it ?
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| 20:51 | sorry
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| 20:51 | <vagrantc> though really, the 32 bit environment should work for your 64 bit hardware ...
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| 20:51 | <nofxx> vagrantc: so I heard.. xD
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| 20:51 | hehe
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| 20:52 | <vagrantc> nofxx: well, you can have /opt/ltsp/i386 and /opt/ltsp/amd64 on the same server ...
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| 20:52 | <nofxx> vagrantc: there is no way to debug this ? the daemon.log looks the same with a succesful boot
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| 20:52 | <vagrantc> nofxx: it's easier to build /opt/ltsp/i386 on a 64 bit server than it is to build /opt/ltsp/amd64 on a 32 bit server.
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| 20:52 | <nofxx> ahh got it
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| 20:53 | gonna go 64 then....
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| 20:53 | <vagrantc> but i have 0 experiences with amd64 architecture ...
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| 20:53 | it's all just theory to me.
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| 20:59 | <nofxx> the panic comes after Net: Registered protocol.... its easy to search this boot script to what comes next?
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| 20:59 | <vagrantc> and there's absolutely no more information?
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| 20:59 | <nofxx> nope.. just a blank line after
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| 21:02 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 21:02 | * vagrantc wonders what ubuntu did with the prodigious quantities of kernel messages you should be getting | |
| 21:02 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 21:02 | <sbalneav> Hey hey
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| 21:02 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: howdy!
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| 21:02 | <sbalneav> It ate 'em.
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| 21:02 | <jammcq> yum yum
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| 21:03 | <sbalneav> Hola!
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| 21:03 | <nofxx> vagrantc: i found a log: NET: Registered protocol family 17
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| 21:03 | Using IPI Shortcut mode
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| 21:03 | <vagrantc> nofxx: well, you might want to try making the server native 64 bit, and seeing if it still happens. but having both 64 bit and 32 bit LTSP environments will mean your DHCP configuration will have to be a little more complicated.
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| 21:03 | nofxx: doesn't really tell me much.
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| 21:04 | <nofxx> heheh..ok
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| 21:04 | <vagrantc> nofxx: can you find your tftp server's logs ? maybe in /var/log/syslog
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| 21:04 | <nofxx> vagrantc: yes.. i understand the config part...
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| 21:04 | <vagrantc> nofxx: grep -i tftp /var/log/syslog
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| 21:04 | <nofxx> only 32 will fit.. and be easier...
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| 21:04 | yup... I have syslog opened here...
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| 21:05 | the logs looks the same for the sucessful and unsucessful ones
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| 21:05 | <vagrantc> the main thing i'm wondering is if it's loading the initramfs image
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| 21:05 | <nofxx> only error (on both): intftpd : tftp: client does not accept options"
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| 21:06 | <nofxx> when you boot in the first screen it goes to "Ready."
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| 21:06 | vmlinuz.......................
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| 21:06 | <vagrantc> nofxx: dpkg -l tftpd-hpa ?
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| 21:06 | <nofxx> img(somehing)........................
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| 21:06 | Ready.
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| 21:06 | then blanks... and kernel panic
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| 21:06 | let me try the last command
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| 21:07 | <vagrantc> hmmm.... weird. i thought amd64 was backwards compatible with i386 ...
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| 21:08 | <nofxx> 0.42-1ubuntu2
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| 21:08 | HPA tftp server
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| 21:19 | <bricode> amd64 is a weird beast occasionally
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| 21:23 | <nofxx> i can't find documentation about clients running 64....that is the point
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| 21:24 | think there are few 64 clients out there....he bought am2 semproms to later buy hard disks and vga for games...
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| 21:38 | <kaos01> sorry about the question but where does one get the files to place in /tftpboot for ltsp-4.2 ?
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| 21:40 | <nofxx> i'll try edubuntu 64.. just a question... i think its like kaos01.. you always have to download a whole new system ? it tooks hours on ubuntu... that ltsp-server-standalone
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| 21:41 | <kaos01> where do i get stuf flike vmlinuz-2.6.17.8-ltsp-1 from for ltsp-4.2 ?
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| 21:43 | anyone ?
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| 22:00 | <jammcq> kaos01: run ltspadmin, that will download everything you need
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| 22:01 | <vagrantc> nofxx: yes, it's building an entire ubuntu system using ubuntu packages.
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| 22:02 | nofxx: if you have a CD, you can mount it and point to the CD ... --mirror file:///path/to/mounted-cd
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| 23:29 | <kaos01> ok, i nearly got ltsp-4.2 working one problem with local device support, ltsp-server-pkg-fedora-0.1-1.i386.rpm I cant install my machine is 64 bit hence have /usr/lib64/libfuse.so.2 and not /usr/lib/libfuse.so.2
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| 23:30 | anyone any ideas ?
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| 23:37 | <Megant__> I guess that you need to get that 32-bit library from somewhere.
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| 23:43 | <kaos01> mmm yum doesnt seem tobe of use
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