IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 24 May 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:25 | <federicoco> hello all
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| 02:25 | 1 question.....apt is present on ltsp.iso??
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| 02:47 | <federicoco> hello...i whant install java on my ltsp client ....any idea????? helllllppppppp :-)
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| 03:48 | <ChinaForge> Hello,I install ltsp 5 on Ubuntu 7.04,ltsp support usb device?
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| 03:49 | <vagrantc> sure does
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| 03:50 | well
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| 03:50 | it supports usb drives and such
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| 03:50 | not cd-writers or scanners or anything like that
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| 03:51 | <ChinaForge> but i can't,i plug a usb disk on my terminal but nothing by detect.
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| 03:52 | <vagrantc> grep LOCALDEV /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
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| 03:53 | <ChinaForge> LOCALDEV=True
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| 03:54 | <vagrantc> dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l ltspfsd
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| 03:54 | dpkg -l ltspfs
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| 03:55 | <ChinaForge> 期望状态=未知(u)/安装(i)/删除(r)/清除(p)/保持(h)
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| 03:55 | | 当前状态=未(n)/已安装(i)/仅存配置(c)/仅解压缩(U)/配置失败(F)/不完全安装(H)
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| 03:55 | |/ 错误？=(无)/保持(?)/须重装(R)/两者兼有(#) (状态，错误：大写=故障)
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| 03:55 | ||/ 名称 版本 简介
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| 03:55 | +++-==============-==============-============================================
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| 03:55 | ii ltspfsd 0.4.3-0ubuntu6 Fuse based remote filesystem daemon for LTSP
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| 03:55 | <vagrantc> grep SCREEN /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
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| 03:56 | <ChinaForge> nothing
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| 03:56 | <vagrantc> ok.
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| 03:56 | dpkg -l ltspfs
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| 03:56 | <ChinaForge> 期望状态=未知(u)/安装(i)/删除(r)/清除(p)/保持(h)
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| 03:56 | | 当前状态=未(n)/已安装(i)/仅存配置(c)/仅解压缩(U)/配置失败(F)/不完全安装(H)
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| 03:56 | |/ 错误？=(无)/保持(?)/须重装(R)/两者兼有(#) (状态，错误：大写=故障)
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| 03:56 | ||/ 名称 版本 简介
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| 03:56 | +++-==============-==============-============================================
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| 03:56 | un ltspfs <无> (无相关介绍)
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| 03:56 | <vagrantc> sudo apt-get install ltspfs
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| 03:56 | and try again
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| 03:57 | <ChinaForge> I install complete,need reboot?
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| 03:58 | <vagrantc> i think you just need to log out of the thin client
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| 03:58 | but maybe reboot the thin client.
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| 03:58 | <ChinaForge> ok.
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| 03:58 | <vagrantc> server shouldnt need a reboot at all
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| 04:08 | <ChinaForge> Can't!!
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| 04:08 | <vagrantc> don't stress out so much :P
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| 04:09 | ChinaForge: is your user in the fuse group/
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| 04:09 | ?
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| 04:10 | <ChinaForge> no
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| 04:11 | <vagrantc> add your user to the fuse group, log out, unplug the usb stick, log back in, plug the usb stick in, look in /media/USERNAME
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| 04:13 | <vagrantc> ChinaForge: you might find this page useful https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices
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| 04:13 | <ChinaForge> sorry,Xchat exit self,I can't see you message,
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| 04:13 | <vagrantc> ChinaForge: you might find this page useful https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices
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| 04:13 | ChinaForge: add your user to the fuse group, log out, unplug the usb stick, log back in, plug the usb stick in, look in /media/USERNAME
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| 04:14 | <ChinaForge> ok,i try,thank you!
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| 04:20 | <ChinaForge> vagrantc:It right,Thank you very much!
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| 04:20 | <vagrantc> ChinaForge: no problem :)
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| 04:26 | <ChinaForge> vagrantc,I have other problem,before consult for you,I setting host by other tech document,
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| 04:26 | <vagrantc> ChinaForge: sorry, i don't quite understand you ...
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| 04:26 | <ChinaForge> like lts.conf,
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| 04:26 | I add LOCAL_DEVICE_01 = /dev/hdc:cdrom
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| 04:26 | LOCAL_DEVICE_02 = /dev/fd0:floppy
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| 04:26 | LOCAL_DEVICE_03 = /dev/sda1:usb
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| 04:26 | HOTPLUG = Y
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| 04:26 | ALLOW_UNKNOWN_USB = Y
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| 04:27 | Is must for LTSP 5?
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| 04:27 | <vagrantc> i don't think any of those options are used in LTSP 5 ...
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| 04:30 | !localdev
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| 04:30 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "localdev" is Information regarding using pluggable devices and cdroms with LTSP can be found at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev
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| 04:30 | <ChinaForge> If I reinstall Ubuntu 7.04 and ltsp 5,What must to do?
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| 04:30 | <vagrantc> ltspbot: learn localdev as for ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices
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| 04:30 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
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| 04:31 | <vagrantc> ltspbot: learn localdev as for debian-edu: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/HowTo/LocalDeviceLtspfs
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| 04:31 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
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| 04:31 | <vagrantc> !localdev
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| 04:31 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "localdev" is (#1) Information regarding using pluggable devices and cdroms with LTSP can be found at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev, or (#2) for ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices, or (#3) for debian-edu: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/HowTo/LocalDeviceLtspfs
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| 04:31 | <vagrantc> ChinaForge: follow the instructions in the wiki above for ubuntu
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| 04:32 | ltspbot: factoids search --values
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| 04:32 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: 'ltsp', 'ubuntu', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'grayscreen', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'serversizing', 'wireless', 'sound', 'topics', 'ubuntuquick', 'integration', 'lts.conf', 'pastebot', 'bootfloppy', 'ltsp5', 'tarball', 'download', 'monkeys', 'ogra', 'nfs', (1 more message)
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| 04:32 | <vagrantc> !greyscreen
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| 04:32 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "greyscreen" is No login, and only a grey screen? See http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Troubleshooting-GrayScreen
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| 04:32 | <ChinaForge> #1,#2#3 all to do?
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| 04:32 | <vagrantc> !grayscreen
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| 04:33 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "grayscreen" is No login, and only a grey screen? See http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Troubleshooting-GrayScreen#GDM
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| 04:33 | <vagrantc> ChinaForge: look at the one that says "for ubuntu"
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| 04:33 | <ChinaForge> ok.
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| 04:33 | <vagrantc> ltspbot: forget grayscreen
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| 04:33 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
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| 04:33 | <vagrantc> ltspbot: factoids search --values
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| 04:33 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: 'ltsp', 'ubuntu', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'serversizing', 'wireless', 'sound', 'topics', 'ubuntuquick', 'integration', 'lts.conf', 'pastebot', 'bootfloppy', 'ltsp5', 'tarball', 'download', 'monkeys', 'ogra', 'nfs', 'nfsnotresp', (1 more message)
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| 04:33 | <vagrantc> ltspbot: factoids search --values --all
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| 04:33 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: (factoids search [<channel>] [--values] [--{regexp} <value>] [<glob> ...]) -- Searches the keyspace for keys matching <glob>. If --regexp is given, it associated value is taken as a regexp and matched against the keys. If --values is given, search the value space instead of the keyspace.
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| 04:33 | <vagrantc> ltspbot: factoids search --values *
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| 04:33 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: 'ltsp', 'ubuntu', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'serversizing', 'wireless', 'sound', 'topics', 'ubuntuquick', 'integration', 'lts.conf', 'pastebot', 'bootfloppy', 'ltsp5', 'tarball', 'download', 'monkeys', 'ogra', 'nfs', 'nfsnotresp', (1 more message)
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| 04:34 | <vagrantc> !localdev 2
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| 04:34 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: Error: "localdev" is not a valid command.
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| 04:34 | <vagrantc> !localdev
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| 04:34 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "localdev" is (#1) Information regarding using pluggable devices and cdroms with LTSP can be found at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev, or (#2) for ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices, or (#3) for debian-edu: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/HowTo/LocalDeviceLtspfs
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| 04:34 | <vagrantc> !serversize
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| 04:34 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "serversize" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ServerSizing
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| 04:34 | <vagrantc> !serversizing
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| 04:34 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "serversizing" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ServerSizing
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| 04:35 | <vagrantc> ltspbot: forget serversizing
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| 04:35 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
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| 04:35 | <vagrantc> ltspbot: factoids search --values *
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| 04:35 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: 'ltsp', 'ubuntu', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'wireless', 'sound', 'topics', 'ubuntuquick', 'integration', 'lts.conf', 'pastebot', 'bootfloppy', 'ltsp5', 'tarball', 'download', 'monkeys', 'ogra', 'nfs', 'nfsnotresp', 'js', 's', (1 more message)
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| 04:35 | * vagrantc wonders how to get rid of the (1 more message) | |
| 04:36 | <vagrantc> !ubuntuquick
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| 04:36 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "ubuntuquick" is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 04:37 | <vagrantc> !ubuntu
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| 04:37 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org
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| 04:37 | <vagrantc> ltspbot: learn ubuntu as to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 04:37 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
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| 04:37 | <vagrantc> !ubuntu
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| 04:37 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "ubuntu" is (#1) a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org, or (#2) to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 04:38 | <vagrantc> ltspbot: forget ubuntuquick
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| 04:38 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
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| 04:38 | <vagrantc> ltspbot: factoids search --values
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| 04:38 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: 'ltsp', 'ubuntu', 'ubuntu', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'wireless', 'sound', 'topics', 'integration', 'lts.conf', 'pastebot', 'bootfloppy', 'ltsp5', 'tarball', 'download', 'monkeys', 'ogra', 'nfs', 'nfsnotresp', 'js', 's', (1 more message)
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| 04:38 | <vagrantc> !debian
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| 04:38 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "debian" is is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
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| 04:38 | <vagrantc> !ubuntu
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| 04:38 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "ubuntu" is (#1) a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org, or (#2) to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 04:39 | <vagrantc> ltspbot: learn ubuntu as a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to instal lltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 04:39 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
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| 04:39 | <vagrantc> !ubuntu
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| 04:39 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "ubuntu" is (#1) a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org, or (#2) to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall, or (#3) a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. (1 more message)
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| 04:39 | <vagrantc> ltspbot: forget ubuntu 1
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| 04:39 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
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| 04:39 | <ChinaForge> vagrant,Thank you, I slow slow study!
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| 04:39 | <vagrantc> !ubuntu
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| 04:39 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "ubuntu" is (#1) to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall, or (#2) a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to instal lltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 04:39 | <vagrantc> ltspbot: forget ubuntu 1
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| 04:39 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
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| 04:40 | <vagrantc> !ubuntu
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| 04:40 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to instal lltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 04:40 | <vagrantc> much simpler
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| 04:40 | <ogra> lltsp?
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| 04:40 | lazyltsp ?
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| 04:40 | <vagrantc> ogra: ?
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| 04:40 | oh
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| 04:40 | <ogra> to instal lltsp on ubuntu
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| 04:40 | <vagrantc> ltspbot: forget ubuntu
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| 04:40 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
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| 04:41 | <vagrantc> ltspbot: learn ubuntu as a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 04:41 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
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| 04:41 | <vagrantc> !ubuntu
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| 04:41 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 04:42 | <ChinaForge> I read a lot of ltsp tech documents,but most is for 4.XX,so ...
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| 04:42 | <ogra> yeah
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| 04:42 | <vagrantc> ChinaForge: yes, it's in transition from ltsp 4 to ltsp 5 right now ...
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| 04:42 | <ogra> ChinaForge, there are some more on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP
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| 04:42 | <vagrantc> ltspbot: factoids search --values
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| 04:42 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: 'ltsp', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'wireless', 'sound', 'topics', 'integration', 'lts.conf', 'pastebot', 'bootfloppy', 'ltsp5', 'tarball', 'download', 'monkeys', 'ogra', 'nfs', 'nfsnotresp', 'js', 's', 'troubleshooting', 'sbnet', (1 more message)
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| 04:43 | <vagrantc> do we really need both !sbalneav and !s ?
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| 04:43 | !troubleshooting
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| 04:43 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "troubleshooting" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/TroubleShooting
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| 04:55 | <ChinaForge> bye!
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| 04:56 | <vagrantc> !edubuntu
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| 04:56 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "edubuntu" is an Ubuntu variant especially tailored for schools. You can find it at http://www.edubuntu.org
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| 05:00 | <ogra> hmm, it should mention that ltsp comes preinstalled and preconfigureed with it
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| 05:01 | and where is debian-edu ? :)
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| 05:02 | <vagrantc> well, i'm not one to list each and every variant of a distro in the ltspbot
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| 05:02 | <sep> vagrantc, can we all teach the bot about factoid's (like dpkg?)
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| 05:02 | <vagrantc> sep: yup ... syntax is "learn FOO as BAR"
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| 05:02 | <sep> ack
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| 05:02 | * vagrantc wonders if there's a relearn option | |
| 05:03 | * vagrantc doesn't know dpkg | |
| 05:03 | <ogra> haha
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| 05:04 | <vagrantc> well, not the bot, anyways :)
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| 05:05 | <ogra> http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=classmate+pc&word2=playmate+pc
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| 05:05 | hmm
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| 05:06 | i wouldnt have expected the classmate to win
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| 07:20 | <envite> Hola a todos desde España
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| 07:20 | Hello all from Spain
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| 07:20 | <vagrantc> hola
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| 07:20 | <envite> hola vagrantc
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| 07:21 | <vagrantc> envite: so, in the canaries you're using both debian and ubuntu ? what decides which to do?
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| 07:23 | <Thumann> hi, we've been running a ltsp setup for about a year now, it currently holds around 50 concurrent users and for improving performance, and adding fail over, we'd like to make a "farm" of two ltsp servers. From what i can read from the net, this can be done using OpenSSI.. but this seems kinda.. outdated to say it mildly?
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| 07:24 | <vagrantc> jammcq: morning
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| 07:25 | Thumann: probably the simplest thing to do that will partially address it is to do some sort of load-balancing in such a way that it provides cold failover
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| 07:25 | <Thumann> Or is there any other type of setup you would recommend?
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| 07:26 | <vagrantc> cold failover being that if a server goes down while someone's using it, they'll have to log back in
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| 07:26 | <Thumann> vagrantc: yes, load-balancing was acutally the "only" feature we would be needing.. and from what i can read on the net, openssi would hook you up with that.
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| 07:26 | vagrantc: and i'm familiar with the term cold faildover :)
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| 07:27 | <Thumann> What do you guys use for load-balancing?
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| 07:27 | If there is an alternative to openssi
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| 07:28 | <vagrantc> only thing i've worked with is manually choosing a server at login. but you could easily randomize that.
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| 07:28 | more dynamic load balancing is tricky
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| 07:28 | <Thumann> yeah well, that wouldn't really be "load balancing" or i'd have to get some scripts made that would measure cpu and memory use etc.
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| 07:29 | <vagrantc> yes, it wouldn't balance any load at all :P
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| 07:30 | Thumann: if you want "True" load-balancing, there hasn't been much done in that department
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| 07:30 | <Thumann> vagrantc: Isn't that a.. hard blow for ltsp?
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| 07:31 | compared to citrix, ms term srv. etc. who all have this feature
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| 07:31 | <vagrantc> when a simpler option works in most cases, no
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| 07:32 | <Thumann> vagrantc: Do you have any knowledge of openssi?
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| 07:32 | <vagrantc> i've heard about it a little. someone had worked on using it with ltsp.
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| 07:33 | <Thumann> http://wiki.openssi.org/go/Talk:Main_Page , hehe.. defaced :S
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| 07:33 | <envite> vagrantc: sorry, i was fighting with kde kiosk mode
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| 07:33 | <Thumann> or.. i wouldn't really call defacing a wikisite defacing.
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| 07:34 | <envite> vagrantc: which is the meaning of the question? I do not understand it.
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| 07:34 | <jammcq> g'morning kids
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| 07:35 | <vagrantc> envite: well, when "meduxa" talked at the ubuntu education summit, he talked about using ubuntu ... and the other night you were talking about using debian ... so i was curious which gets used for which
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| 07:36 | <envite> well, these are different projects
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| 07:37 | <vagrantc> ah, i see.
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| 07:37 | <envite> meduxa (Agustín Benito) talked in Sevilla about a work we did for Canary Islands govt. It is a educational distro based on Kubuntu and ha nothing to do with LTSP
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| 07:37 | <vagrantc> got it
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| 07:38 | <envite> besides that, we at the company use Debian, we install Debian to our customers (if they don't ask specifically for another thing) and we do LTSP 4.2 over Debian
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| 07:41 | <envite> the project we did for the govt. is called mEDUXa and was based in Kubuntu because we wanted the integrated feeling it gives to the Desktop, instead of the Debian way. And, moreover, because we wanted a stable branch and Debian stable, at the moment, was quite old
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| 07:42 | <vagrantc> envite: what's the biggest thing holding you back from switching to ltsp5 ?
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| 07:44 | <envite> well, running projects already using ltsp 4.2
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| 07:44 | <vagrantc> heh :)
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| 07:46 | <envite> I want to start learning ltsp5 but we need to keep running projects without big changes
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| 07:46 | btw
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| 07:46 | is ltsp5 as good as 4.2 in sound and lda?
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| 07:46 | <vagrantc> mostly i'd say yes.
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| 07:47 | <vagrantc> we didn't get ltspfs into debian/etch, but the ltspfs packages from lenny still work in etch
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| 07:48 | <envite> use the same fuse system?
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| 07:48 | <vagrantc> sort of
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| 07:48 | parts of it are very different
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| 07:51 | <envite> i see
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| 07:51 | and about sound? same esd way?
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| 07:51 | <vagrantc> esd in debian. ubuntu switched to pulseaudio, and i suspect debian will follow
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| 07:52 | <envite> i've never touched pulseaudio
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| 07:53 | <vagrantc> i think it's intended to replace esd
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| 07:53 | <envite> i'll try when i'll start with ltsp 5
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| 08:01 | <rjune-isis> does pulse use the same protocol as esd?
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| 08:06 | <ogra> no, it has an own native protocol
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| 08:06 | but it can emulate esd
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| 08:07 | even simultaneously
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| 08:08 | but what is more important, alsa has a plugin that emulates a native alsa device on top of the pulse network connection, so all apps using alsa and esd just work ootb
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| 08:10 | <rjune-isis> that part is badass
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| 08:11 | <ogra> the only problematic stuff stays oss crap using /dev/dsp directly but thats getting less and less
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| 08:12 | <Shane-S> is this where i can get help for k12ltsp.org's project as well?
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| 08:15 | <Lumiere> yes to the best of people's ability
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| 08:16 | <Shane-S> ok, as per a note I found on the k12ltsp site, it says for NIC computers edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc for video res and sound, I have no clue what options I have for video
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| 08:16 | right now my systems boot, but when the video is initialized for the GUI either the refresh rate or resolution is too high because the monitors just blink there power lights
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| 08:16 | their*
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| 08:19 | <envite> Shane-S: you need to touch the lts.conf file
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| 08:19 | see the ltsp wiki page about lts.conf
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| 08:20 | <Shane-S> ok
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| 08:33 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:34 | <envite> morning
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| 08:34 | <Shane-S> ok I read the wiki on Xserver stuff, it says it should detect the video card if it is not specified, will it auto detect the resolution or base it off the servers GUI settings?
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| 08:34 | <ogra> !s
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| 08:34 | <ltspbot> ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:34 | <sbalneav> hey ogra!
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| 08:34 | I was doing some work last night on LDM
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| 08:34 | <ogra> yay
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| 08:34 | <jammcq> !s
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| 08:34 | <ltspbot> jammcq: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:35 | <ogra> on the c or pyhon side ?
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| 08:35 | <sbalneav> Gadi's not here, but rather than his 4 variables for autologin, I came up with an even easier solution.
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| 08:35 | <sbalneav> Morning jammcq
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| 08:35 | <envite> Shane-S: no
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| 08:35 | <sbalneav> python.
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| 08:35 | So, check this out: when we grab the IP, we grab the MAC as well.
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| 08:35 | <envite> Shane-S: lts.conf is used to create an Xorg.conf file
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| 08:35 | <ogra> Shane-S, if you use a distro with ltsp5 it will autodetect
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| 08:35 | <Shane-S> envite: the wiki does show more then resolution and an full example, if there a simple resolution and refresh rate line?
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| 08:35 | <sbalneav> We add a new lts.conf var: LDM_GREETER
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| 08:36 | path to a greeter.
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| 08:36 | <ogra> sbalneav, fine
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| 08:36 | <envite> so if you do not specify it, Xorg.conf will not have it configured
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| 08:36 | <sbalneav> when running the greeter, pass it the IP and and MAC
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| 08:36 | <ogra> it has the ip already
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| 08:36 | <sbalneav> A standard "ask user for password" greeter will ignore it.
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| 08:36 | <ogra> there is a function called get_ip()
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| 08:36 | <envite> Shane-S: you can specify x_vert_refresh simply, or create a whole modeline
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| 08:37 | <sbalneav> Right, but it's not passed to the greeter command line.
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| 08:37 | <Shane-S> ty
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| 08:37 | <ogra> sbalneav, why do you need it on the commandline ?
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| 08:37 | <sbalneav> pass it to the greeter. Then, if you want autologin, you just need a shell script that looks like
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| 08:37 | #!/bin/sh
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| 08:37 | <envite> Shane-S: all info you give to lts.conf will be used to the Xorg.conf
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| 08:37 | <ogra> sbalneav, did you look at gadis autologin stuff ?
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| 08:37 | <sbalneav> if [ip = something] ; echo "userid\npassword\n"
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| 08:38 | I did, but he specifies the password in the lts.conf
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| 08:38 | <envite> but all info you do not give, will be inferred or detected or created or defaulted by X
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| 08:38 | <sbalneav> which is mode 644
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| 08:38 | <Shane-S> ohh found on wiki, was further down, is it X_VERTREFRESH or X_vert_refresh?
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| 08:38 | <sbalneav> this way, you could make the autologin greeter mode 700, and protect the passwords.
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| 08:38 | <ogra> sbalneav, you can just copy an sshkey in place instead
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| 08:38 | <envite> i don't remember just new, let me see
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| 08:39 | <sbalneav> How you gonna map an sshkey to a mac?
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| 08:39 | <ogra> not at all
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| 08:39 | but i know the server ip
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| 08:39 | what do you need a mac for ?
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| 08:40 | <sbalneav> Lets say I want terminal with mac 00:11:22:33:44:55 to autologin as "user1"
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| 08:40 | <ogra> yeah
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| 08:41 | i put the key for user1 in the chroot and set LDM_USERNAME in lts.conf for that TC
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| 08:41 | <envite> Shane-S: X_VERTREFRESH
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| 08:42 | <sbalneav> Now you're going to force admins to set up individual ssh keys for all their users.
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| 08:42 | in addition to their regular user accounts.
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| 08:43 | I suppose for most autologin setups, it would be a small number of WS's
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| 08:43 | <ogra> right
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| 08:43 | and usually one user bound to each
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| 08:44 | <sbalneav> you'll need an LDM_GREETER variable anyway, because you want to have different greeters, depending on GTK or KDE looks.
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| 08:44 | You'll see my patches, I'll upload my tree tomorrow.
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| 08:45 | Have you already merged gadi's patches into your tree?
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| 08:46 | <ogra> i want the greeter to be autodetected by the installed dependencies in the chroot
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| 08:46 | (i didnt plan to install QT alongside the gtk greeter)
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| 08:46 | <sbalneav> ok, but you'll want the user to be able to specify the greeter manually as well.
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| 08:47 | i.e. you've got both KDE and GTK greeters installed. User A wants GTK, cuz he's a gnome guy, User B wants KDE because she's KDE
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| 08:47 | <ogra> nope
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| 08:47 | not at all
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| 08:47 | <sbalneav> buh?
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| 08:48 | <sbalneav> Why not?
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| 08:48 | <ogra> because that gets horribly complicated
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| 08:48 | <sbalneav> Well, default to autodetect, surely, but allow the option of an override.
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| 08:48 | <ogra> there will be a default greeter which is either qt or gtk
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| 08:49 | <sbalneav> [00:11:22...]
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| 08:49 | <ogra> and there will be an optional low_ressources greeter (if someone writes one)
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| 08:49 | <sbalneav> LDM_GREETER = /usr/lib/ltsp/greeters/kde
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| 08:49 | Don't see what's so complicated about that.
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| 08:49 | <ogra> the admin will specify that at chroot build time
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| 08:50 | it introduce extra layers we dont need imho
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| 08:50 | <sbalneav> It's, like, 5 lines of code in LDM
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| 08:50 | <ogra> hrm
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| 08:50 | these start to stack up
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| 08:51 | gadi had 10 lines as well
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| 08:51 | and i might have ideas for 20 lines
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| 08:51 | <sbalneav> Wasn't aware we were on a strict line budget for LDM.
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| 08:52 | <ogra> well, you ar the guys complaining about >120second boots
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| 08:52 | <sbalneav> The slowdown's not in LDM
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| 08:53 | Not that I can see, anyway.
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| 08:53 | <ogra> and the bigger we pump up the python side of thngs the harder it will get to switch to something else at some point
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| 08:54 | <sbalneav> For the LDM, I don't see we NEED to switch to something else. The greeter was what was taking up all the time, not the LDM itself. It's quite small.
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| 08:54 | <ogra> well, if i pretend to have an ltsp4.2 chroot here (by setting a static xorg.conf and cutting down modules and raing udev a bit) i get nearly on par with bottimes ... ldm then still takes more than 2secs
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| 08:54 | *20
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| 08:55 | <sbalneav> Is that LDM with the python greeter, or with the C greeter.
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| 08:55 | ?
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| 08:55 | <ogra> moquist tried the C greeter and dint see any much difference in boottime on his slow clients btw
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| 08:55 | the C greeter
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| 08:56 | the major amount of time that we loose is still spent in the python part
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| 08:56 | <sbalneav> OK, so we just need to rewrite LDM in C then.
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| 08:56 | <ogra> well
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| 08:56 | *just*
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| 08:56 | :)
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| 08:56 | <sbalneav> that's easy. It's really not doing anything that complicated.
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| 08:56 | Tell you what.
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| 08:56 | <Shane-S> thanks guys that worked!
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| 08:57 | <ogra> its handling passwords
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| 08:57 | <ogra> it will take ages until we got full approval from the security team
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| 08:57 | an i have to run it past them for such a change
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| 08:57 | <Shane-S> now I have a new question, I want to have a generic login, so I made a user called "student" and logged it in on one system...well the other warned I was logged in...
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| 08:57 | <sbalneav> So, guess I better get busy then :)
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| 08:57 | * sbalneav hacks. | |
| 08:58 | <Shane-S> well when I go to launch things like FireFox on both clients, one says FFx is open already
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| 08:58 | <ogra> and indeed it makes contributing a *lot* harder
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| 08:58 | that were my two main cause to keep it in py until now
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| 08:58 | <sbalneav> Not really. In C it really wouldn't be THAT much bigger.
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| 08:58 | <Shane-S> how can I make a generic login that does not share a session??
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| 08:58 | <ogra> Shane-S, yes, use one user per client
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| 08:58 | <sbalneav> It doesn't need to be setuid, since it's already running as root.
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| 08:59 | <Shane-S> but I want to have a single user, not multiples
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| 08:59 | <sbalneav> Essentially, it's job is just to: set up some environment variables, grab a userid and password from a greeter, and spawn an ssh session.
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| 08:59 | <ogra> Shane-S, then you need to rewrite the world ... most applications and desktop environments cant handle that
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| 09:00 | <Shane-S> alright
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| 09:00 | then is there a way to make it so I can use NULL passwords, it asks for 6 character minimum for users
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| 09:00 | * ogra just had a freaky idea how it would be possible to use one user for all | |
| 09:01 | <Shane-S> since I dont want the kids to have to remember their logins
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| 09:01 | unless Fedora can import logins from an OS X server??
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| 09:03 | <ogra> sbalneav, how about a pam-mount script that creates a tmpfs mount for /home/$user, that way we could use the same user on every login :) (indeed with the cost that all data is lost on logout)
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| 09:03 | * highvoltage has done that before | |
| 09:04 | <sbalneav> Well, the mkhomdir code's already been done for that.
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| 09:04 | <ogra> highvoltage, why do you keep such stuff secret :) thats awesome
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| 09:04 | <highvoltage> I added a guest user home (/home/guest) to rw_dirs for diskless full machines
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| 09:04 | <ogra> ah, no
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| 09:04 | <highvoltage> ogra: I always asume everything I do is way to hacky for ubuntu
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| 09:04 | <ogra> i'm talking about the server
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| 09:04 | <highvoltage> aaah
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| 09:05 | <ogra> make it create a tmpfs, mount /home/$user into it ... every new user gets a fresh home and no .lock files
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| 09:05 | i wonder how much dbus would get confused :)
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| 09:08 | <rjune-isis> Shane-S: does your OS X server use LDAP? if so, then in theory you can use an ldap server with any linux distro
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| 09:09 | <Shane-S> yeah it has LDAP, but I guess for now it will just be easier to search how to make linux users with no passwords
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| 09:09 | I am only testing it right now anyway
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| 09:38 | <vykarian> hi all
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| 09:38 | found the error "_X11TransSocketINETConnect Can't get address for localhost"
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| 09:39 | any tip?
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| 09:43 | <vanya> vykarian, check /etc/hosts for localhost record
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| 09:44 | <moquist> ogra: interesting idea about the fresh /home/$user with no .lock files
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| 09:44 | I think FF's "You must close the other Firefox" message is one of the most amazingly terrible usability things in Ubuntu right now.
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| 09:44 | <vykarian> thats message is on LTS client running freeNX client
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| 09:44 | <ogra> well, it is right
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| 09:45 | it would break if two users use it at the same time
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| 09:45 | like openoffic
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| 09:45 | e
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| 09:45 | <moquist> 1. Usually (in my use cases) there is no other FF instance running. 2) The user has no idea how to figure out if there is one running or not, or where it is, or how to kill it. 3) The fix, 99% of the time in my use cases (LTSP), is to remove the lockfile(s), which the error message doesn't even mention.
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| 09:46 | It should *at least* give the option of using a different profile, which I believe it used to do.
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| 09:46 | <ogra> indeed, that could be better
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| 09:48 | <moquist> I have a "firefox-profile-whack" script in the Applications->Internet menu that moves the user's ~/.mozilla directory over by appending a date to the name, creates a fresh .mozilla directory (from /etc/skel, IIRC), and copies the bookmarks back in.
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| 09:48 | ogra: People run into that problem *ALL THE TIME* on our Edubuntu networks. I guess I could've mentioned it before now...
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| 09:50 | I think people don't shut down properly b/c thin clients seem so resiliant, and this is a symptom of that. User education is a good start on addressing the problem, but surely at least the error message could be better at pointing the user toward likely realities.
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| 09:51 | * vagrantc had to fight the ctrl-alt-backspace culture at freegeek | |
| 09:52 | <vagrantc> people kept doing that to "log out" and then wondered why their web browser would freak out once in a while
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| 09:58 | <ogra-classmate> moquist: you coulkd add it to ldms session command
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| 09:58 | like we do with ltspfsmounter
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| 09:58 | look at the python code of 6the wrapper
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| 09:58 | <rjune-isis> moquist: when We had that problem, we wrote a little program that let them reset firefox, OO.o, and a few other things to default configs.
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| 09:59 | <moquist> rjune-isis: Right; I'm doing almost the same thing. We just haven't had so much trouble with OO.
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| 09:59 | Though resetting Gnome settings would be *really* valuable.
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| 10:00 | <moquist> Is there a recommended way to allow users to log into systems with different versions of Gnome, all while sharing one ~/ ?
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| 10:00 | <rjune-isis> it was just a bash script using kdialog. no reason it couldn't be adapted
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| 10:00 | <ogra-classmate> well, do you know the status of gnome-reset ? we talked about it plenty of times but nobody contacted upstream yet afaik
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| 10:00 | <rjune-isis> use a different .gnome dir for each one would be my guess
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| 10:00 | aka ./gnome-<version>
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| 10:00 | <moquist> ogra-classmate: gnome-reset is packaged in universe.
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| 10:01 | <ogra-classmate> yes, but unmaintained afaik
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| 10:01 | <moquist> rjune-isis: That's my guess, too. Not sure how to set that up.
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| 10:01 | ogra-classmate: Ah, OK.
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| 10:01 | ogra-classmate: I'm still interested in it (obviously), but it's lower in my priority stack than getting these particular TCs booting faster so the big cheese doesn't axe the edubuntu direction we're taking. 8-\
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| 10:02 | <vagrantc> ouch
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| 10:02 | <moquist> ogra-classmate: Though it's occurred to me that his big reason for saying we need to standardize on one distro was so that people in the training facility would see the same desktop in the schools... I say we develop our own Gnome theme, and then we can run whatever the hell we want under the covers.
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| 10:02 | <ogra-classmate> did you try the right udev changes
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| 10:03 | <moquist> ogra-classmate: Yeah; the udev changes bought 20 seconds to bring boot-to-login time down to 4:40 instead of 5 min.
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| 10:03 | * ogra-classmate cant belive that .... | |
| 10:03 | <moquist> ogra-classmate: I still have the nbd& and static xorg.conf to try.
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| 10:04 | <ogra-classmate> not waiting for udev should shove down more than 50%
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| 10:04 | <moquist> ogra-classmate: It's *just* these laptops, of which we only have 12, out of probably more than 1000 TCs in the district. Surely the problem can be addressed. :)
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| 10:04 | <ogra-classmate> udev and xorg autoconfig are the two big delays
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| 10:05 | well, there must be some kind of kernel issue
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| 10:05 | <moquist> ogra-classmate: Yes.
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| 10:05 | <ogra-classmate> probably acpi/apm related
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| 10:05 | <moquist> ogra-classmate: Next on my list is changing the TC kernel config. Do you have any analysis methods to recommend other than just looking at the timestamps(right term?) in the TC syslog?
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| 10:06 | <ogra-classmate> the kernel has only the bare minimum setup, i'd rather experiment ewith bootoptions
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| 10:06 | <moquist> ogra-classmate: Sure. I'm happy to do so.
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| 10:07 | <ogra-classmate> nolapic,noacpi, pci=noacpi, noapm
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| 10:07 | etc etc
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| 10:07 | <vagrantc> acpi=off
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| 10:07 | <ogra-classmate> i bet one of them solves it
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| 10:07 | or a combo
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| 10:07 | <vagrantc> and lots of them look like typos
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| 10:07 | like pci=noapic
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| 10:08 | <ogra-classmate> yeah
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| 10:10 | <moquist> ogra-classmate: here's the data I've collected so far: http://n01se.net/paste/VS2?pretty=yes
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| 10:11 | <ogra-classmate> heh
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| 10:11 | oo.o only tkes foru secs
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| 10:11 | four
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| 10:12 | <moquist> ogra-classmate: Yeah, it's on the gnome panel. In Edubuntu I have to wiggle the mouse-nub with my left hand to get into the menu, etc. My RH is ready to hit return as soon as it opens...it would be faster if I just moved my RH, or if I put a launcher on the panel... Hmm. :) That's not the crucial test, though.
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| 10:13 | ogra-classmate: I don't have numbers here for the 250Mhz 64MB netier TCs, but with Edubuntu those are ~2min to login, which I can sell (I think).
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| 10:13 | <ogra-classmate> hmm, all toshiba ?
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| 10:14 | nolapic noacpi
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| 10:14 | <moquist> ogra-classmate: I'm just working with this one slow laptop for now, until I get it booting reasonably. After that I'm going to tour all our schools with my testing setup and test every different type of TC, so when we (colleagues & boss) discuss this later we have all the data.
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| 10:14 | <ogra-classmate> i'm oretty sure these two will solve it
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| 10:14 | pretty
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| 10:15 | <moquist> ogra-classmate: Will give it a shot tomorrow and let you know. (Thanks.)
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| 10:15 | <moquist> ogra-classmate: any reason not to include those boot options in general for TCs?
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| 10:16 | <ogra-classmate> yes, anything can be a thin client
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| 10:16 | and all newer models will work fine with acpi
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| 10:16 | <moquist> ogra-classmate: K.
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| 10:17 | <ogra-classmate> these toshibas are very likely from the time where the apm->acpi switch of the hw vendors took place
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| 10:17 | <moquist> ogra-classmate: Yes.
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| 10:17 | <ogra-classmate> i remember having some toshibas at that time where i needed to set these options
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| 10:17 | * moquist wishes he had one at home to test | |
| 10:18 | <ogra-classmate> its a laptop, you can carry it?
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| 10:18 | <moquist> ogra-classmate: Yeah, but I leave work at work (most of the time). I've got other responsibilities I'm supposed to be meeting now... and now I have no choice, b/c I cannot test the laptop. :)
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| 10:19 | <ogra-classmate> go to your meeting then :)
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| 10:24 | <SlackDweber> hii
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| 10:25 | excusme i have trouble about ltsp in client with pxe card
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| 10:25 | :(
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| 10:25 | <vagrantc> what happens?
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| 10:25 | <SlackDweber> i confused because on other pc with same pxe it can load n login on ltsp server :(
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| 10:26 | <SlackDweber> im try to installing ltsp 4.2u2 in zenwalk
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| 10:26 | n successfully configure
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| 10:26 | but on client, i got searching dhcp :(
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| 10:27 | <vykarian> guys
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| 10:27 | XIO: Fatal IO error 104 (connectoin reset by peer) on X server ":0.0"
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| 10:27 | <SlackDweber> note: in client pc i use compaq build up with pxe card
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| 10:27 | <vykarian> any parametters needed?
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| 10:31 | <SlackDweber> ping
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| 10:32 | met malem om :)
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| 11:10 | <sbalneav> ogra-classmate: "ldm.c" [Modified] 253 lines --96%-- 245,30 97%
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| 11:11 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: mornin
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| 11:11 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: hello
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| 11:11 | vagrantc: ogra thinks ldm itself in python is slow.
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| 11:12 | So, it's getting re-written in c :)
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| 11:12 | <vagrantc> so y'all are re-writing the whole thing in C ?
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| 11:12 | <sbalneav> yep
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| 11:12 | <vagrantc> so, while you're doing that
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| 11:12 | maybe this is a good time to think about putting a significant portion of the add-on features into other scripts
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| 11:13 | i.e. sound, localdev
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| 11:14 | <sbalneav> Which, re-write them in C?
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| 11:15 | <vagrantc> well, i think starting local device stuff shouldn't be handled by ldm, for example
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| 11:16 | oh, that stuff was in the ltsp-client init scripts
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| 11:16 | <sbalneav> right
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| 11:17 | <sbalneav> esd's started, so we could move that out, and just deal with making sure the environment's set up correctly.
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| 11:17 | sure.
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| 11:18 | <vagrantc> i also don't understand why we try to get the ip address ... that should be handled server-side and pulled from SSH_CLIENT
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| 11:19 | <sbalneav> Probably could be.
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| 11:19 | I'll look into it.
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| 11:19 | <vagrantc> same for setting all the detailed information for PULSE_SERVER, ESPEAKER, etc.
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| 11:19 | this would, of course, require the ldm-server package :)
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| 11:20 | <sbalneav> The ssh command line's getting a little long. yeah, you're just echoing what i'm thinking
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| 11:20 | <vagrantc> yup
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| 11:20 | <sbalneav> what we need's a small shell script on the server that can be .'d, and sets up the env.
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| 11:20 | that's not that bad.
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| 11:20 | <vagrantc> we can just drop files into /etc/X11/Xsession.d
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| 11:20 | <sbalneav> that too.
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| 11:21 | hm
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| 11:21 | <vagrantc> well, on debian-based systems
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| 11:21 | <sbalneav> what if we have SOUND=n, LOCALDEV=n
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| 11:21 | <sbalneav> meh, first, I need to get something working :)
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| 11:21 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 11:22 | sbalneav: well, i guess what i'm saying is don't re-implement all the features- just get the basic premise functional first
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| 11:22 | <sbalneav> right.
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| 11:23 | ATM, I'm just going after getting the X session plumbed.
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| 11:24 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: you could re-use an existing ssh-askpass to handle the password side of things
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| 11:25 | sbalneav: are you trying to re-use the greeter?
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| 11:25 | <sbalneav> Well, we're going to want a greeter of some kind, yes?
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| 11:25 | <vagrantc> right
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| 11:27 | just trying to guage where you're going with this
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| 11:27 | <Burgundavia> hey vagrantc
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| 11:27 | <vagrantc> Burgundavia: greetings. how's the homeland treating you?
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| 11:27 | <Burgundavia> not bad
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| 11:28 | <sbalneav> lets aim to use something existing if we can.
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| 11:28 | <Burgundavia> yesterday I went to work at 11:30, had a two hour lunch and then went home at 4
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| 11:28 | <ogra-classmate> vagrantc: i asked mdz about server sided stuff and he nearly got angry at me back then
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| 11:28 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: i guess, i'm questioning some of the existing assumptions
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| 11:28 | ogra-classmate: back when?
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| 11:29 | <ogra-classmate> i dont think its a good ide to rely to much on that, it breaks teh default compatibility with standard ssh logins
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| 11:29 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: and if there's a lot of re-writing going on...
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| 11:29 | <ogra-classmate> vagrantc: when i started with the first sound implementation
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| 11:29 | <vagrantc> ogra-classmate: what do you mean it breaks default compatibility with standard ssh logins?
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| 11:29 | <ogra-classmate> we shouldnt clutter /etc/X11/Xsession.d
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| 11:29 | <sbalneav> Well, it's wide open now. I'm going to hack on it most of today. Hopefully I'll have something going and in bzr later today.
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| 11:30 | <ogra-classmate> vagrantc: its supposed to work on any setup with ssh -X capability
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| 11:30 | without extra server side stuff
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| 11:31 | <vagrantc> ogra-classmate: well, if they handle all the variables, we won't be breaking anything
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| 11:31 | <ogra-classmate> the sound setup for pulse already breaks that rule and i'm planning to fix that before gutsy
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| 11:31 | no server sided hacks if avoidable ....
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| 11:31 | <vagrantc> yes, let's do the most hair-brained client-side setup possible instead.
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| 11:32 | <ogra-classmate> no, lets just make more usage of our socket ;)
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| 11:33 | we should be able to pump all data we need through it without and server sided stuff
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| 11:35 | <vagrantc> this is one of those moments where i think about starting up lessdisks again
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| 11:35 | <ogra-classmate> everything you would determine from SSH_CONNECTION would require server sided scripting
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| 11:35 | <vagrantc> and as far as i'm concerned, that's a good thing.
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| 11:36 | <ogra-classmate> we already have the tunnel, lets just use it and keep the scripts on one side
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| 11:36 | whats wrong with cutting down mainteneance by 50%?
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| 11:36 | <vagrantc> what are we really gaining by doing that?
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| 11:37 | <ogra-classmate> you only need to maintain one side
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| 11:37 | all is centralized on the client
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| 11:37 | you dont need to patch around in desktop apps to respect variables they dont know
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| 11:37 | <vagrantc> except if the client is executing commands on the server, it needs to somehow handle dependency resolution server-side
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| 11:38 | <ogra-classmate> right, thats what the -standalone metapackage does
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| 11:38 | beyond that the scripts should have enough error handling to not break everything if an app is missing
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| 11:39 | <vagrantc> i guess, i'm just tired of a monolithic LDM that every time you add a new feature you have to hack ldm
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| 11:39 | ditto for the init scripts
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| 11:39 | we somewhat fixed that for ltsp-build-client
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| 11:40 | <ogra-classmate> i'm fine with splitting them, i told you that before
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| 11:40 | i'm just opposing to do server side scripts as well
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| 11:41 | having a server sided script to determine ESPEAKER from SSH_CONNEFCTION just makes no sense imho
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| 11:41 | we should rather have ltsp-client-setup export the ip once in a global var so we have it in all subsequent initscripts
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| 11:42 | <vagrantc> sure, that'd be an improvement.
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| 11:42 | <ogra-classmate> i think we have the get_ip function three times in the bootprocess
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| 11:42 | two times in the initscripts and once in teh greeter
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| 11:44 | if we have an ltsp-client-sound package i see no reason not to use the ssh socket to execute asoundconfig pluse-enable on the server instead of having an ltsp-sound script in the session startup scripts
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| 11:44 | liekwise for everything else we need to set on the server side
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| 11:45 | i'm totally happy to modularize
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| 11:47 | but i'm all against to hack up the users session
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| 11:48 | * vagrantc thinks some | |
| 11:48 | <vagrantc> ogra-classmate: i think the only play we use the IP address is ldm
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| 11:49 | <ogra-classmate> PULSESERVER needs it and ESPEAKER ... and the localdev scripts
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| 11:49 | <vagrantc> yes, i know
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| 11:49 | well, not the localdev scripts
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| 11:50 | <ogra-classmate> the ltspfsmounter needs it, but it gets it from teh client side scripts
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| 11:50 | through the socket
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| 11:51 | we should also think about a fallback mechanism for systems without Xsession
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| 11:51 | <vagrantc> or put it in a different location
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| 11:51 | <ogra-classmate> i.e. rely on xterm being in path and falling back to at least start that (with a popup message)
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| 11:52 | put it in a different location ?
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| 11:52 | <vagrantc> just discovered on centos it's in /etc/X11/xinit/Xsession
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| 11:52 | <ogra-classmate> ah, well we could walk the known paths
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| 11:53 | <vagrantc> ogra-classmate: that would really suck on errors
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| 11:54 | <ogra-classmate> ?
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| 11:54 | <vagrantc> well, unless we test for the file not found error
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| 11:54 | <ogra-classmate> if /etc/X11?Xsession doesnt exist we try again with /etc/X11/xinit/Xsession if that doesnt exist either we fail
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| 11:55 | <vagrantc> how you going to do that client-side ?
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| 11:55 | <ogra-classmate> checking stderr of ssh-client ;)
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| 11:55 | <vagrantc> and what if the connection fails for other reasons?
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| 11:56 | anyways ...
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| 11:58 | <ogra-classmate> ssh -S /tmp/.ltspfs_socket test -x /etc/X11/Xsession || echo False
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| 11:59 | easy test :)
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| 11:59 | <vagrantc> so we create the socket before actually logging the user in?
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| 11:59 | <ogra-classmate> we could have a control connection that we establish first
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| 12:00 | <ogra-classmate> it doesnt need to be through the socket
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| 12:00 | <vagrantc> the slowest part of an ssh connection is the initialization ... so we don't want to start over
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| 12:01 | <jammcq> can't we just install a script on the server that always goes in the same place? Then, the script would take care of finding the xsession file
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| 12:01 | <ogra-classmate> how about creating the connection first and then attaching process by process to the socket
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| 12:01 | <vagrantc> jammcq: but that would be installing something server-side!
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| 12:02 | jammcq: apparently, that's to be avoided at all costs
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| 12:02 | <jammcq> umm, yeah, that's the point. do this step server-side, where the cpu is nice and fast
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| 12:02 | <ogra-classmate> jammcq: not really, its very ugly to poke around in teh defaukts on teh server siide
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| 12:02 | <vagrantc> jammcq: i'm with you here
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| 12:02 | <jammcq> how is this "poking around in the defaults" ?
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| 12:03 | <vagrantc> all this code will be infinitely simpler to write server-side.
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| 12:03 | <ogra-classmate> /etc/X11/Xsessio.d is the system X defaukts dir
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| 12:03 | \its not intended to be used like we do all teh time
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| 12:03 | <vagrantc> it will also make it work for both XDMCP and ssh based logins.
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| 12:03 | <jammcq> did I say it should go in /etc/X11/Xsession.d ?
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| 12:03 | <ogra-classmate> where elsed would you put it ...
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| 12:03 | <vagrantc> /usr/bin/ldm-session
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| 12:03 | <jammcq> umm, how about /usr/bin ?
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| 12:03 | <ogra-classmate> bah
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| 12:04 | so the great feature of 'log in to any ssh server' is briken then ?
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| 12:04 | *broken
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| 12:04 | <vagrantc> that great feature never existed
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| 12:04 | <jammcq> "great feature" ?
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| 12:04 | hmm, /me never saw that spec
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| 12:04 | <ogra-classmate> it always did
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| 12:04 | i do it all the time here
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| 12:04 | <vagrantc> log into any ssh server that has all the files in the right places
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| 12:05 | <ogra-classmate> thats the initital design i took over from mdz
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| 12:05 | <vagrantc> + as long as the ssh keys are known to the thin client
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| 12:05 | <jammcq> umm, was that really a design criteria ? or was did it "just so happen to work" ?
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| 12:06 | <ogra-classmate> he was very clear that nothing has to be changed server side to not break anything of the defaults and to not depend on extra software
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| 12:06 | <jammcq> hmm, 'was did' ? dunno what I said there
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| 12:06 | <ogra-classmate> right
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| 12:06 | <jammcq> so now he's god, eh?
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| 12:06 | <ogra-classmate> log in from any ubuntu TC to any ubuntu system with ssh server
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| 12:06 | <jammcq> sorry, couldn't resist poking :)
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| 12:07 | I'd add: "As long as the server has been configured to allow that"
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| 12:07 | <ogra-classmate> jammcq: nope, but matt had a reason for all decisions he made in teh initial design ...
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| 12:07 | <vagrantc> + x11-common + a window manager of some form or fashion
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| 12:07 | <jammcq> some of those reasons were formulated in a vacuum
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| 12:08 | <ogra-classmate> imho adding server sided deps is as bad as adding and removing stuff in user homedirs
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| 12:08 | <vagrantc> why?
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| 12:08 | <jammcq> so to fix it, we'll depend on some goofy trial and error between the client and the server every time a user logs in.
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| 12:08 | <ogra-classmate> if you force me to accept it i will have no choice but i would expect us to do more proper solutions
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| 12:09 | <jammcq> this isn't about forcing. this is about discussing possibly solutions, to decide what makes sense
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| 12:09 | <vagrantc> at the moment, i think we've got some pretty improper solutions.
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| 12:09 | <jammcq> agreed
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| 12:09 | we just need to find the lesser of the evils
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| 12:09 | <vagrantc> and i'd like to fix that.
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| 12:09 | <ogra-classmate> well, you wont get me into the add more deps and scripts to teh server side camp, imho we do already way to much on that side
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| 12:10 | <vagrantc> what is so wrong with that?
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| 12:10 | <jammcq> I think there's a certain set of things that need to be installed server-side, just to expect a thin client to work.
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| 12:10 | above and beyond the whole chroot thing
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| 12:11 | LTSP is becoming an "API". There needs to be a set of services and scripts available on the server, in a known location, for the thin client to connect
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| 12:11 | <ogra-classmate> vagrantc: you tweak defaults (/etc/X11/Xsession.d), you override system settings /etc/ltsp introduce open ports (all the inetd stuff) etc etc thats just as wrong as poking around in userdata
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| 12:12 | <vagrantc> ogra-classmate: i'll not that all that stuff was added by you, not me :P
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| 12:12 | note
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| 12:12 | <ogra-classmate> especially since you always need to make sure your tweaks dont clash wint any other system sesttings probably used by a desktop env you have never seen
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| 12:12 | vagrantc: i didnt say it was right to add
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| 12:13 | <jammcq> if you dont' want to "open ports, override system things, etc", then possibly the right approach is more like a RDP, ICA, NX way, where ALL communication is served by a single protocol/daemon
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| 12:13 | <ogra-classmate> i think i'm saying since 30 mi9n i want tio get rid of it for more proper solutions ;)
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| 12:13 | and dont want you to introduce more if the evil :)
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| 12:14 | <dan__t> 'morning.
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| 12:14 | <vagrantc> ok. so in what way does setitng stuff client-side prevent clashing with other system settings?
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| 12:14 | <ogra-classmate> we have a proper mechanism in place we dont fully use yet
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| 12:14 | * jammcq is lost | |
| 12:14 | <ogra-classmate> it will only happen from a thin client login
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| 12:14 | <jammcq> dunno what "proper mechanism" is being refered to
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| 12:15 | <ogra-classmate> jammcq: ssh and its capabilities, we dont use 10% of what we have
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| 12:15 | <jammcq> so fine, use ssh where it shines, but I don't think it makes sense to use ssh to go searching for a session script
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| 12:16 | <ogra-classmate> sure it does
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| 12:16 | why wouldnt it
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| 12:16 | <jammcq> you say tomato, I say tomato
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| 12:16 | <ogra-classmate> the greeter is the place wher we want that info
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| 12:16 | <jammcq> it shouldn't because it's EXPENSIVE to do that
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| 12:16 | <ogra-classmate> ??
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| 12:17 | its not more expensive than what we do now, not a byte
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| 12:17 | well, probably a byute or two :)
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| 12:18 | <vagrantc> right now, it's essentially a hard-coded default. opening another ssh connection would slow login down considerably.
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| 12:18 | <jammcq> if ! ssh host /etc/X11/Xsession then if ! ssh host /etc/X11/xession then if ! ssh host /usr/bin/start_my_session then if ! ....
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| 12:18 | <ogra-classmate> heh, no
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| 12:18 | <jammcq> heh, ok
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| 12:18 | <ogra-classmate> i'm taliking about changing the general design here ...
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| 12:19 | <jammcq> I guess I haven't seen that talking yet
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| 12:19 | <ogra-classmate> you establish a session without any X
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| 12:19 | then you have your socket
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| 12:19 | <vagrantc> (at which point you'll need to establish a second session with X)
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| 12:19 | <ogra-classmate> now you can execute anything you like through that socket, no extra costs
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| 12:19 | <jammcq> like how?
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| 12:20 | <jammcq> how do I say "if [ -x /etc/X11/Xsession ]" over a socket ?
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| 12:20 | <ogra-classmate> vagrantc: why ? ssh -S <socket> Xsession will just start the session in the existing tunnel
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| 12:20 | jammcq: you put ssh -S <socketname> in front
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| 12:20 | <jammcq> so invoking an additional 'ssh .... 'doesn't cost anything? try telling the e2300 that
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| 12:21 | <ogra-classmate> an additional ssh ?
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| 12:21 | <jammcq> maybe it doesn't create a new socket
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| 12:21 | <ogra-classmate> no, all is done through one socket in one place
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| 12:21 | <jammcq> but it's still a binary that has to be loaded and run
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| 12:21 | I understand the "communication" goes over the same channel
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| 12:21 | <ogra-classmate> its like it is now, just way more effectively used
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| 12:21 | <jammcq> but there's still a cost ty running 'ssh -S <socketnname>' it doesn't come for free
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| 12:22 | <ogra-classmate> no, indeed, but you are executing something that is already ion ram and hands over to the existing process after invoking
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| 12:22 | thats marginal
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| 12:22 | <jammcq> we can debate that mirginal-ness all day, i'm not sure who's right there
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| 12:23 | there may be other things you are trying to solve with this <socketname> thing, I'm just thinking that finding the session script isn't one of them
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| 12:23 | <ogra-classmate> well, i know it only attaches the server side process to the socket for IO and it wont live longer than that in my processlist
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| 12:25 | i think having a non Xsession connection established first and then using the socket here is the best thing we could do ...
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| 12:26 | <jammcq> this really all boils down to who is gonna do the work. at this point, you are more likely to do it than I am, so naturally, you'll do it the way you think is best. I've said my opinions about where it should be done. the balls in your court
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| 12:26 | <ogra-classmate> even better would beto build that with a bidirectional socket
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| 12:27 | that way we could redirectpower events ;)
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| 12:28 | * jammcq remembers several people saying we set the bar too high with ltsp-4.2. apparently we did something right | |
| 12:28 | <vagrantc> ok
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| 12:28 | "ssh -S <socket> -X" doesn't work after the fact
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| 12:29 | <ogra-classmate> jammcq: well, actually the ball is more in vagrants court here :)
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| 12:29 | <jammcq> heh
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| 12:29 | <jammcq> we could all be in for a surprise
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| 12:29 | <ogra-classmate> we scared Burgundavia already :)
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| 12:30 | vagrantc: thats how ldm invokes it atm
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| 12:30 | <jammcq> ogra-classmate: did you get that wireless driver for the classmate?
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| 12:30 | <ogra-classmate> it could be that the socket file needs to exist or something
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| 12:30 | <Lumiere> ogra-classmate: if I wanted to start a discussion about when edubuntu releases... where should I go?
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| 12:30 | <vagrantc> ogra-classmate: no, it's invoked -M -S <socket>
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| 12:30 | <ogra-classmate> jammcq: we got something two days ago, baenc is testing today
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| 12:30 | looks like a firmware issue
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| 12:31 | <jammcq> cool, so it's Opensource, and hopefully going into the kernel?
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| 12:31 | <ogra-classmate> vagrantc: ohy, indeed, you need to create a master socket
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| 12:31 | <vagrantc> ogra-classmate: you have to enable the -X when you create the master socket, according to my quick experiment.
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| 12:31 | <ogra-classmate> jammcq: if i understood ben right we already have everything but the firmware ... and the driver uses an hardcoded path for searching the frimware
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| 12:32 | the firmware is free and shippable
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| 12:32 | only the searchpath needs to be fioxed
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| 12:32 | <jammcq> cool.
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| 12:32 | <ogra-classmate> vagrantc: yes thats how i planned to do it
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| 12:33 | vagrantc: but dont start an Xsession
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| 12:33 | <vagrantc> ogra-classmate: right ...
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| 12:33 | <ogra-classmate> if the tunnel is established we start to do all wotrk through the socket
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| 12:33 | and start the found Xsession sriot from there
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| 12:33 | script
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| 12:34 | <vagrantc> still going to be a hell of a lot more overhead than a server-side script.
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| 12:34 | <ogra-classmate> that has the advantage that we can hand over global vars etc easily
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| 12:34 | but we have the proper communication going so errors can be forwarded, smartcdards will become an option etc
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| 12:35 | and i dont think its that much overhead
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| 12:35 | some ram for the second ssh binary
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| 12:35 | mosto of it should be shared with the first one running anyway
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| 12:36 | i will try to write a proof of concept if i'm done with the classmate
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| 12:38 | (which will surely still take some days ... i'm just starting to write an installer that operates from initramfs, punches the partitions on the flash and untars the system image)
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| 12:54 | <bengoa> jammcq, happy birthday buddy
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| 12:54 | <jammcq> heh, thanks bengoa
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| 12:54 | <bengoa> jammcq, :-)
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| 12:55 | <ogra-classmate> jammcq: oh
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| 12:55 | ahppy birthday
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| 12:55 | or happy :)
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| 12:55 | <jammcq> gee thanks ogra-classmate
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| 12:57 | <mistik1> For he's a jolly good fellow, for he's a jolly fellow, for he's a jolly good fellooooooooooooow, which nobody can deny.
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| 12:57 | Happy Birthday Jim
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| 12:58 | <jammcq> mistik1: thanks, i'm getting tears in my eyes now
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| 12:58 | <mistik1> ;-)
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| 12:59 | <Guaraldo> hi, jammcq... Happy Birthday to you!!!
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| 13:00 | <jammcq> jeez, they're crawling out of the woodwork
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| 13:00 | <mistik1> You're lucky we're not living closer, the Red Stripe would be on me today
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| 13:01 | <whiprush> jammcq: happy birthday dude
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| 13:01 | <cliebow_> yay!!!
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| 13:02 | <jammcq> yeah, finally hit 29
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| 13:02 | <cliebow_> heh
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| 13:10 | <maximi89> hi
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| 13:10 | recently i release to LTSP 5.0
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| 13:10 | few minuts ago i was using 4.2
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| 13:10 | but now with all changes i have a problem with sh: /etc/rc.early_sysinit: nout found
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| 13:11 | about that file /etc/rc.early_sysinit
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| 13:11 | what mean? that is because i dont have the tftpboot correctly? vmlinuz
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| 13:12 | /tftpboot/lts/2.6.16.1-ltsp-2
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| 13:12 | or /tftpboot/lts/2.6.17.8-ltsp-1
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| 13:12 | ??
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| 13:14 | <jammcq> maximi89: sounds like you are using LTSP-5 with a ltsp-4.2 kernel
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| 13:15 | <maximi89> uhmm how can i fix this problem?
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| 13:15 | i don't understand at all this problem
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| 13:16 | <jammcq> look at your /etc/dhcpd.conf file, and see what 'filename' is set to
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| 13:16 | it might be in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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| 13:16 | <maximi89> filename "/tftpboot/lts/vmlinuz-2.6.16.1-ltsp-2";
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| 13:16 | <jammcq> yeah, that's wrong
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| 13:16 | what distro?
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| 13:16 | <maximi89> ok only like this:
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| 13:16 | filename "/etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf";
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| 13:16 | Debian 4.0
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| 13:17 | uhmm?
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| 13:17 | where is that file /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf?
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| 13:18 | ltsp i think can be in my case ltsp-5.0
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| 13:18 | <jammcq> you'll need to change it to '/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0'
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| 13:18 | but that's the PXE kernel
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| 13:18 | I think you might need an Etherboot kernel
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| 13:18 | <maximi89> yes
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| 13:18 | <jammcq> so, go look in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386 and tell me what you see there
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| 13:19 | <maximi89> ok
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| 13:20 | no, i don't have that directory
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| 13:20 | i have /tftboot/
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| 13:20 | <jammcq> hmm
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| 13:20 | hmm, looks like we lost vagrantc, the guru in debian/ltsp
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| 13:21 | <maximi89> xD
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| 13:21 | "que mala onda!"
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| 13:23 | http://pastebin.ca/507707
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| 13:24 | that is the /etc/dhcpd.conf
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| 13:24 | <jammcq> maximi89: you installed from the tarball ?
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| 13:24 | <maximi89> http://pastebin.ca/507715
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| 13:25 | uhmm the installers come from a community called "EducaLibre" in www.educalibre.cl
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| 13:25 | <jammcq> hmm, maybe you need to talk to them.
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| 13:46 | <joebaker> ogra: Remember the parallel port printer problem I had under Ubuntu 6.10 LTSP? It's working ok now under 7.04. THANK YOU!
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| 13:47 | <ogra-classmate> yay, great :)
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| 13:48 | * ogra-classmate would love to fix serial printers this round, but doent know anyone owning one | |
| 13:49 | <ogra-classmate> maximi89: if you use debian you should use debians ltsp, not a third party one
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| 13:49 | !debian
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| 13:49 | <ltspbot> ogra-classmate: "debian" is is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
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| 13:51 | <maximi89> thanks guys
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| 13:52 | <dan__t> Aaaalrighty. Anyone know how I might be able to change the desktop background on a client?
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| 13:52 | Using gnome
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| 13:52 | <jammcq> sure, right click on the desktop, and select 'Change desktop background'
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| 13:53 | <dan__t> Well, remotely heheh.
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| 13:53 | Through a config file or gconf2 maybe
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| 13:54 | <ogra-classmate> in recent gnomes you should be able to drop a config file in /usr/share/gconf/defaults/
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| 13:55 | if you pick a sequence number around 25 your setting will override the system default
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| 13:55 | <dan__t> sequence number?
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| 13:56 | <ogra-classmate> look i9n that dir, your diswtro should have put some defqaults in there already
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| 13:56 | <dan__t> ok.
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| 13:56 | thanks
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| 13:56 | <ogra-classmate> you want to set /desktop/gnome/background/picture_filename
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| 13:58 | <jammcq> ogra-classmate: is that a pathname? or a gconf key?
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| 13:58 | <ogra-classmate> pathname
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| 13:58 | err
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| 13:58 | a gconf key for a pathname variable *g*
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| 13:58 | <dan__t> That path is relative to what?
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| 13:59 | <ogra-classmate> teacher@edubuntu:~$ grep background /usr/share/gconf/defaults/20-edubuntu
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| 13:59 | /desktop/gnome/background/picture_filename /usr/share/backgrounds/edubuntu_default.png
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| 13:59 | <dan__t> ahh
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| 13:59 | <ogra-classmate> make a file called /usr/share/gconf/defaults/25-dans-custom-artwork
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| 13:59 | and add a line like the above
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| 14:00 | <dan__t> Ah, I just want it to change for a single client.
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| 14:00 | I would imagine I'd find a similar structure in the user's homedir huh
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| 14:00 | <ogra-classmate> client or user ?
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| 14:00 | <dan__t> user, actually
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| 14:00 | Here, they are identified as one and the same.
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| 14:02 | <ogra-classmate> as root: sudo -u $USERNAME gconftool-2 -s -t string /desktop/gnome/background/picture_filename /path/to/tour/file
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| 14:02 | <ogra-classmate> s/tour/your/
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| 14:02 | i will get used to this tiy keyboard one day, damned
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| 14:03 | gah
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| 14:03 | *tiny
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| 14:03 | <dan__t> haha
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| 14:03 | Ok, where is that data stored?
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| 14:03 | <ogra-classmate> in the gcxonf database of the user
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| 14:03 | gconf
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| 14:04 | in ~/.gconf or so
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| 14:04 | <dan__t> ~/.gconf?
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| 14:04 | Alright, cool. Let me give that a shot.
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| 14:04 | Thank you btw.
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| 14:04 | How did you know which key was the one to be changed?
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| 14:04 | <ogra-classmate> dont touch that manually, use gconftool
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| 14:04 | <whiprush> http://www.gnome.org/learn/admin-guide/latest/gconf-9.html
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| 14:04 | follow that
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| 14:04 | <dan__t> Thanks.
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| 14:04 | <ogra-classmate> well, i had to change it when building edubuntu ;)
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| 14:05 | <dan__t> No, I just wanted to see what all was available to me heh
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| 14:05 | <ogra-classmate> to see the available keys gconf-editor is handy btw
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| 14:05 | <dan__t> And gconftool-2 knows enough to only attempt setting that BG for a single client, ogra-classmate?
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| 14:06 | <ogra-classmate> if you sudo -u username it will run as the desired user and has no write access to anything else than ~/
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| 14:07 | just use the command i pasted above and replace $USERNAME with the name of the user and give a valid filename
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| 14:07 | <dan__t> Well, yeah - just didn't know how it worked.
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| 14:08 | Thanks, I appreciate it.
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| 14:08 | <ogra-classmate> :)
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| 14:09 | <dan__t> One more thing here then
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| 14:09 | <dan__t> Can I force a client to log out
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| 14:11 | <Lumiere> kill his or her wm session
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| 14:12 | <ogra-classmate> or use a tool like thin client manager (ltsp5 ) or teachertool (ltsp4)
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| 14:59 | <ogra-classmate> vagrantc: in case you are intrested, there is the distro team meeting in #ubuntu-meeting starting now
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| 15:03 | * vagrantc is too weary | |
| 15:04 | <ogra-classmate> well, thats your actual future team :)
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| 15:28 | <lns> hey does this channel get logged anywhere online?
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| 15:28 | I'm looking through it and there's a TON of invaluable information here that I bet a lot of people could benefit from =)
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| 15:29 | <sbalneav> I log the channel, but the logs aren't posted anywhere, at the moment.
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| 15:30 | <lns> well at least they're getting logged somehwere. =)
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| 15:39 | <jammcq> http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fasterforward/2007/05/dell_does_linux.html
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| 15:39 | congrats and thank you to everyone who made that possible
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| 15:42 | <ogra-classmate> jammcq: there is a ditro team meeting going on, you could thank them directly ;)
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| 16:37 | <cliebow> good press there1!!
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| 17:46 | <happywithed> Hello there
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| 17:47 | Can anyone direct me to the documentation need to read to enable the USB ports on my thin clients?
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| 17:53 | Anyone?
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| 17:53 | I am using Edubuntu Feisty
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| 17:55 | <Burgwork> in what sense?
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| 18:02 | <happywithed> I would like the students to be able to save files to their USB sticks
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| 18:02 | <Burgwork> ahh, local devices
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| 18:04 | <happywithed> yep
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| 18:04 | I am reading several places now and I think it has to be done in the ltps.conf file? right?
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| 18:11 | OK, I got it. I think I need to add the line RCFILE_01 = usb to lts.conf
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| 18:37 | <lns_> ugh...this is driving me crazy
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| 18:39 | I've got an HP Proliant ML370 G5 server - dual quadcore 3.0ghz cpu, 8.0gb ram running 2.6.20-15-server and different types of thin clients (neoware e100 & older compaq ipaq workstations)
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| 18:39 | i can easily get the thin clients to crash (hard-lock, no mouse movement) if i do things like log out with a bunch of applications open
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| 18:40 | it seems like the video chipsets are being detected correctly, as there are two different types of thin clients (thus video chipsets) but they behave the same
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| 18:41 | <lns_> ubuntu Feisty on the server btw
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| 18:42 | w/ltsp5 installed
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| 18:42 | and 2.6.20-15-386 kernel on the chroot
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| 18:43 | can anyone give me any clues as to investigation?
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| 18:49 | also, i get this weird dotted line toward the upper-left corner of the screen when X is starting
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| 18:49 | almost like video corruption..but but that only seems to be on the neoware boxes
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| 19:09 | <sbalneav_> Evening all
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| 19:31 | <youngun> is therre someon who can assit me in sound capture problems
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| 19:32 | anyone there
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| 19:33 | <sbalneav> youngun: Hello, what can I help you with?
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| 19:33 | <youngun> i have ltsp 5 (standalone)
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| 19:33 | i have redirected the sound
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| 19:33 | and when a client logs in it sounds off gud
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| 19:34 | but i can't get the web browsers to create sound like movie/news to work
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| 19:34 | ugh
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| 19:34 | I have downloaded flash
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| 19:34 | but still no sound
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| 19:34 | <sbalneav> What distro are you running?
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| 19:35 | <youngun> ubuntu ultimate
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| 19:35 | <sbalneav> Which version?
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| 19:35 | <youngun> 7.04
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| 19:35 | <sbalneav> So you're running feisty fawn?
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| 19:35 | <youngun> with firefox 2.03 (which locks up on the clients)
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| 19:35 | yes
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| 19:36 | <sbalneav> Well, check and see if the pulseaudio alsa redirector is loaded.
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| 19:36 | <youngun> how?
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| 19:37 | <sbalneav> lsmod should tell you. Paste the results to the pastebot
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| 19:37 | !pastebot
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| 19:37 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 19:38 | <youngun> not found
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| 19:38 | my bad
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| 19:38 | <sbalneav> What's not found?
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| 19:39 | <youngun> i missed your first line i got the results
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| 19:39 | how do i paste to the pastemod
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| 19:39 | <sbalneav> paste the results to http://pastebot.ltsp.org
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| 19:40 | <ltsppbot> "youngun" pasted "results for lsmod" (111 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/142
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| 19:40 | <youngun> k
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| 19:40 | they are there
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| 19:41 | <sbalneav> Hmm, don't see anything wrong off the top of my head.
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| 19:42 | Sound's not really my specialty, you might want to try the ltsp-discuss mailing list.
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| 19:42 | <youngun> all other programs work ie rythmbox cept the web browsers
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| 19:42 | k
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| 19:43 | <sbalneav> Well, everything else uses a proper audio stack, i.e. gstreamer.
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| 19:43 | <youngun> k
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| 19:43 | <sbalneav> flash... kinda does it's own thing.
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| 19:43 | <youngun> k
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| 19:43 | so no real gud way to fix it huh
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| 19:43 | <sbalneav> Next version of Ubuntu will probably have one of the Free flashes in it, either gnash or libswfdec, and they'll work better anyway.
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| 19:44 | <youngun> well should i uninstall flash and go with one of them?
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| 19:44 | <sbalneav> They're not official packages yet, so getting them going can be a bit of a chore.
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| 19:45 | <youngun> gnash is in package manager
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| 19:45 | <sbalneav> I'd post to the list, and see if anyone's got an idea.
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| 19:45 | <youngun> k
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| 19:45 | well thanks for your help
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| 19:45 | <sbalneav> As well, pop back during the day, and look for either ogra or vagrantc, they'll have a better idea.
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| 20:12 | <jammcq> hello
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| 20:14 | <sbalneav> hey
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| 20:14 | Well, I've already got ldm to the point of setting up the xauth key, spawning X, and launching the greeter.
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| 20:14 | Now I just have to plumb the ssh connection :)
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| 20:16 | <cliebow> you rock!!
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| 20:17 | <sbalneav> wc ldm.c: 266 654 5820 ldm.c
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| 20:25 | ls
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| 20:49 | <mistik1> sup fellas
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| 20:53 | <jammcq> just watching the game
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| 20:53 | <mistik1> I had forgotten about the game
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| 20:53 | I was having a Red Stripe for you Jim
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| 21:33 | <mistik1> jammcq: I think your boys gonna win this game, for one thing Cleveland still has not learned to move without the ball
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| 21:34 | <jammcq> heh
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| 21:34 | <mistik1> Untill they learn that Labron will be useless
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| 21:34 | <jammcq> pistons do their best in the 4th qtr
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| 21:35 | <mistik1> We know about the detroit defense, but the point is to find the way to offset that
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| 21:35 | The only way I know is to MOVE without the ball
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| 21:35 | joke
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| 21:36 | This may well be a sweep
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| 21:36 | <jammcq> hmm, cleveland is putting up a very tough fight
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| 21:36 | <mistik1> yea, Just not a very smart one
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| 21:39 | I promise one thing, If Cle. cant move and space the floor they wont win a single game against Det.
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| 21:40 | As long as they stand there Detroit will just cut off all the passing lanes and then calapse 2 or 3 guys on the guy with the ball
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| 21:58 | <jammcq> heh
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| 22:02 | <mistik1> jammcq: trust me ;)
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| 22:03 | <jammcq> yeah, but you gotta admit, that was edge-of-your-seat bball
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| 22:04 | <mistik1> for sure
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| 22:04 | I also know that the pistons dont care if they win by 1 or 40
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| 22:04 | Its all a mental game to those guys
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| 22:05 | That's why I say Cleveland with thier youth should be running all over the place
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| 22:05 | That is the only thing that I see will give Detroit problems
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