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Channel log from 29 September 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 07:18 | <maginot> good morning.
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| 08:15 | <Gadi> stgraber: ping
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| 08:16 | stgraber: your latest update will produce an error on second login to the same client (as the directory will already exist)
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| 08:20 | <stgraber> Gadi: mkdir -p doesn't complain when a directory already exists
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| 08:22 | <Gadi> stgraber: ah
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| 08:22 | carry on, then
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| 08:22 | ;)
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| 08:31 | <Remaille> hi
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| 08:32 | I think it is more a ltsp question than a pxe one... so i try :)
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| 08:32 | On a PXE menu I have this :
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| 08:32 | LABEL LTSP
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| 08:32 | kernel IP_SERVEUR_LTSP::/ltsp/i386/vmlinuz root=/dev/ram1
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| 08:32 | vmlinuz loads great but kernel paniv with "root="
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| 08:33 | kernel panic, not syncing : VFS : Unable to mount root fs
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| 08:33 | I tried nearly everything in root=
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| 08:33 | any idea ? or proper chan for that ? thanks
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| 08:36 | <Remaille> do i need to have a NFS service running on the ltsp server ?
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| 08:37 | <cyberorg> Remaille, this is the right channel, see the /topic you may find something useful in the docs
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| 08:42 | <zeltron> Hi
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| 08:42 | If someone listening : I've got a problem with ltsp5 on Debian
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| 08:43 | I built the client with --dist squeeze option (need localapps, which are not included in lenny chroot)
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| 08:43 | When the client starts, I've got neither keyboard, nor mouse that works
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| 08:44 | <ogra> squeeze is unstable
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| 08:44 | <zeltron> Everything works fine with a chroot from Lenny, and with Ubuntu too)
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| 08:44 | <ogra> make sure hal and dbus installed
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| 08:45 | its in flux atm, integrating ubuntu changes
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| 08:46 | <zeltron> ogra : I know it's unstable... one week ago, I built a squeeze chroot that worked fine
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| 08:46 | hal and dbus are installed
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| 08:46 | I don't understand "its in flux atm
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| 08:56 | <zeltron> ogra : what means "its in flux atm integrating ubuntu changes"?
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| 08:57 | <ogra> vagrantc is integrating the ubuntu bits
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| 08:58 | in flux == in constant developmemt ... changing a lot
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| 09:02 | <zeltron> Ok... waiting for this problem to be fixed. Thanks
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| 09:34 | <alkisg> moldy: did you find a good way to logoff a user or poweroff the system? The "poweroff" capability of iTalc depends on gdm-signal, which isn't preinstalled and doesn't really work... :(
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| 10:02 | <chrisinajar> Hey guys, it's Chris from Resara... We were just talking about LTSP BTS and thought it'd be a good idea to do a presentation on some of the common issues between our software and the LTSP software and how we solved them.. We'd talk about things such as performance issues, optimizations to programs we've done, things like that...
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| 10:30 | <moldy> alkisg: i did not work much on this since we last spoke
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| 10:31 | <alkisg> moldy: I saw that italc has 3 diffferent commands for each DE :(
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| 10:31 | <moldy> alkisg: yep, i saw that, too
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| 10:31 | <alkisg> ...and the gnome one no longer works :(
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| 10:31 | <moldy> alkisg: for thin client shutdown, we will probably just use ssh
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| 10:32 | <alkisg> Isn't that a little brutal?
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| 10:32 | <moldy> alkisg: for logout, it seems you just need to find the right process and kill it
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| 10:32 | alkisg: why brutal?
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| 10:32 | alkisg: we have an intermediate solution for logout that is working right now, i think, but it will change
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| 10:33 | <alkisg> Doesn't it cut the connection without giving any chance to the programs to save stuff or warn the user?
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| 10:33 | <moldy> yes
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| 10:33 | but this is intended, i think, because it is an "admin" feature
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| 10:35 | i think it's supposed to force the client to shut down no matter what state it is in
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| 10:35 | <alkisg> I think it would be better if the programs actually got notified with a signal, so that they would save any data in cache
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| 10:36 | * alkisg tries to logoff with an unsaved text file in gedit to see what this does... | |
| 10:36 | <moldy> we could probably send sigterm to the ltsp session procs just before shutting down the client
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| 10:37 | <alkisg> ...yup, a warning... /me tests shutdown now...
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| 10:37 | <moldy> otoh, i think they are signaled anyway (SIGHUP)... right?
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| 10:37 | <alkisg> I don't know. But for example gnome actually cancels the shutdown if the user has unsaved data
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| 10:38 | That would be nice to have, at least as a warning before the "brutal" powering off
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| 10:38 | <moldy> not sure how this is done in ltsp. normally, if the controlling terminal closes, the programs belonging to it get a sighup
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| 10:38 | <chrisinajar> stgraber: Looks like you're doing all of the presentations, what do you think about my above idea ^
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| 10:54 | <Gadi> chrisinajar: I'm not gonna be there this year, but I think it sounds great!
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| 10:54 | :)
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| 10:57 | <chrisinajar> Gadi: awe, you're not going this year? That's too bad...
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| 10:58 | <Gadi> I know!
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| 10:58 | Im hoping to catch it on youtube ;)
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| 10:58 | <chrisinajar> Gadi: you should ditch whatever is preventing you from going and come anyway :D
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| 10:59 | <Gadi> lol
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| 10:59 | I would never do that
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| 10:59 | the reason Im not gonna be there is my wife is due with our third boy on Oct 27
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| 10:59 | :)
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| 10:59 | <chrisinajar> oh
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| 11:00 | yeah i guess that's a good idea
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| 11:00 | i guess :P
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| 11:00 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 11:00 | <chrisinajar> Gadi: We'll make sure to take wonderful minutes and hopefully record some stuff so it'll be just like you were there ;)
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| 11:01 | Gadi: i wonder if i can find that patch to gobby that makes the colors flicker... that'll make taking minutes a lot more fun...
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| 11:01 | <Gadi> cool
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| 11:01 | * chrisinajar forgot about that... Brendan and i had a lot of fun with gobby last year :P | |
| 11:01 | <Gadi> its prolly with the qt greeter ;)
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| 11:05 | <chrisinajar> that was a cool project... it was hard finding help to get it integrated with ltsp stuff though...
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| 11:07 | knowing better what bts is, hopefully this year Brendan and I can be a lot more helpful to the LTSP crew...
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| 11:08 | <Gadi> I think you should speak slower this year - remember, the rest of us are too old and too drunk to understand that stuff
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| 11:08 | :)
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| 11:08 | <chrisinajar> haha, i'll keep that in mind
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| 11:09 | <Gadi> I keep seeing resara google ads, btw - I want to have a script that makes a sound "Resara!" whenever they pop up
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| 11:09 | :)
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| 12:02 | <stgraber> Gadi: you also forgot that some of us aren't native english speakers too ;)
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| 12:08 | <Gadi> stgraber: be nice. Just because some people are from "Michigan" ... ;)
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| 12:10 | <rjune__> Gadi !
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| 12:12 | <Gadi> rjune!
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| 12:14 | <CAN-o-SPAM> gadi: Michigan ... eh?
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| 12:14 | <Gadi> hehe - I knew talking smack would wake up the channel
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| 12:15 | <CAN-o-SPAM> it's hard not to hear that think east coast accent ;)
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| 12:15 | <dro> we talking foortball?
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| 12:15 | <CAN-o-SPAM> actually, u don't have much of one
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| 12:17 | hmm ... how do u slap with the trout again?
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| 12:18 | <Gadi> I see you brought your A game
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| 12:18 | :)
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| 12:18 | <CAN-o-SPAM> heh
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| 12:19 | <Gadi> this is fun - like shooting ball on the Lower East Side
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| 12:19 | man, Im gonna miss BTS
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| 12:19 | :)
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| 12:20 | <CAN-o-SPAM> me too :(
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| 12:20 | can we webcast LTSP BTS 2009?
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| 12:30 | <johnny> CAN-o-SPAM, that sounds like a terrible idea :)
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| 12:30 | too much drinking on camera is a bad idea :)
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| 12:31 | <CAN-o-SPAM> heh .. fine just the lobster challenge then?
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| 12:31 | i heard lobster prices are plummeting in Maine ... there should be endless supply
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| 13:20 | <stgraber> CAN-o-SPAM: btw, still need a ride from the airport ? if so, do you know when you'll be landing ?
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| 13:27 | <chrisinajar> CAN-o-SPAM: is the lobster challenge is anything like last year's, you do not want to see it...
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| 13:27 | s/is/if/
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| 13:31 | <CAN-o-SPAM> stgraber: thanks, unfortunatley, i don't think im going to be able to attend this year
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| 14:10 | <vagrantc> stgraber: a lot of your recent commits are disruptive for distros that don't use a writeable /
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| 14:17 | <johnny> personally i'd prefer to use a writable / vagrantc
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| 14:17 | would make things much easier..
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| 14:17 | <ogra> you cant with nfs ...
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| 14:17 | <johnny> but kernels still have yet to implement something in mainline
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| 14:18 | <ogra> even with aufs ...
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| 14:18 | <johnny> hmm? really?
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| 14:18 | <ogra> yep
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| 14:18 | they dont really like each other
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| 14:18 | unless that recently changed
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| 14:18 | <johnny> i thought one of the selling points of aufs over unionfs was the ability to work with nfs
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| 14:19 | i'm suprised that readonly nfs is different than readonly anythingelse when it comes to using aufs tho..
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| 14:19 | <vagrantc> johnny: sure, writeable / would be nice, but it comes with lots of other problems.
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| 14:20 | <ogra> i think what aufs offers is to be able to export a merged aufs filesystem via nfs
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| 14:20 | not the other way around as we use it
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| 14:20 | <vagrantc> i've definitely seen aufs work with NFS at one point, but it was unstable.
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| 14:20 | <ogra> right
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| 14:20 | <johnny> well.. i'm ok to switch to nbd as soon as i switch to dracut
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| 14:21 | but even then.. i can't rely on aufs
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| 14:21 | <ogra> well, something is in the works upstream
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| 14:21 | <vagrantc> fact of the matter is, debian (and fedora ?) default to using read-only NFS mounts, and it would be nice if people didn't assume writeable / all the time.
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| 14:21 | <ogra> just a matter of time
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| 14:21 | definately
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| 14:21 | <johnny> and gentoo vagrantc
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| 14:21 | <vagrantc> and time is as far as we know, inifinite, so we're in good hands :)
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| 14:22 | <johnny> ogra, you mean going in mainline?
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| 14:22 | <ogra> its been worked on in mainline as i heard
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| 14:22 | just not ready
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| 14:22 | not sure it didnt stall though
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| 14:22 | <alkisg> https://launchpad.net/vboxmount ==> uses nbd, so we could boot and customize a fat client with virtualbox :P :D
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| 14:23 | <ogra> insane
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| 17:11 | <Mighty-D> Hi
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| 17:12 | i have a weird error trying to use nvidia video drivers
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| 17:12 | i set the driver and i can see the ldm screen nice
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| 17:12 | but when i log in to gnome screen turns black
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| 17:12 | when i press ctl+alt+delete i can see the screen for a second just before ldm takes control again
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| 17:13 | has any one experienced something like this
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| 17:13 | im running Ubuntu 9.04+Server
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| 17:28 | <Mighty-D> hi, im sorry had to restart
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| 17:28 | can any one help me?
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| 19:04 | <auctmore> Hi all. The topic for this channel was set almost a year ago. What happened since?
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| 19:10 | Apparently I should introdce myself again. I am using LTSP for about 7 years now. But the only nickname I recognize here is sbalneav. What happened to jammcq?
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| 19:16 | I have successfully used LTSP 4.x on a Compaq Proliant during years. Recently I installed K12Linux with LTSP5 on a HP X4000 workstation. I had to overcome some minor installation hickups, but meanwhile it is running smoothly. Many thanks to the LTSP team and to Fedora core 10.
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| 19:24 | <auctmore> Over here in Belgium it is 2:30am Maybe I should try and chat again tomorrow at a more reasonable time of the day. See you.
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| 20:20 | <alkisg> Good morning all
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| 21:46 | <jammcq> hey friends
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| 21:47 | <alkisg> !j
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| 21:47 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "j" is jammcq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 21:48 | <jammcq> hey alkisg
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