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Channel log from 11 September 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:29 | <elias_a> If I test a new LTSP server installation with 1 PC, should it be connected to the server through a switch or is it possible to test connecting the cable directly to the client PC?
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| 01:32 | <cyberorg> elias_a, you can test it directly
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| 01:35 | <elias_a> cyberorg: Thanks - don't I even need a crossed pair cable?
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| 01:35 | I have a new installation and it does not give an address to the client - that's why I am asking.
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| 01:36 | <cyberorg> elias_a, nopes, not since many years :)
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| 01:37 | elias_a, check logs, make sure dhcp server is setup properly
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| 01:37 | <elias_a> cyberorg: Will do - thanks!
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| 01:49 | <asmok> About ltsp-cluster in Karmic
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| 01:49 | If I try to install ltsp-cluster-lbaserver I got this
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| 01:50 | update-rc.d: warning: ltsp-cluster-lbserver stop runlevel arguments (0 1 6) do not match LSB Default-Stop values (1) [fail]
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| 01:51 | * Starting ltsp-cluster-lbserver...
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| 01:51 | invoke-rc.d: initscript ltsp-cluster-lbserver, action "start" failed.
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| 01:52 | So should I start testing with Hardy or Jaunty + ltsp-cluster-team's PPA
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| 01:52 | or should I wait for final Karmic?
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| 01:53 | I use KVM based server and real thin client for testing
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| 01:54 | My KVM based Karmic LTSP server works just fine
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| 01:55 | and now I like to do some first testing with ltsp-cluster on KVM
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| 02:00 | Well, I go for Jaunty + PPA, bye
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| 02:27 | <klausade> anyone using HP T5545? I wonder what nic they use, mine does a kernel panic when it loads the initrd, and i'm 2 hours trainride from the client.
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| 03:50 | <dkostousov> Hi All. I have a strange problem. Ltsp client boots fast and successfully when I use dlink DES-1024D switch for network. The clents boots slower and stops after the progress bar becomes white when I use HP ProCurve Switch 1700-24.
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| 03:54 | I think the problem is in eth0 auto-negotiation. How I can configure eth0 (disable auto-negotiation, sets 100Mbit full duplex)?
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| 04:12 | <dkostousov> anybody here?
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| 04:32 | <yoshi__> hello everyone
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| 04:35 | <yoshi__> i got a little question, my client is an nettop ION330 from asrock, it work nicely but i have to install the nvidia driver to get gpu acceleration, we installed firefox with flash so it would be nice to have the gpu accel. Where do i install the nvidia drivers, in the chroot or in the main system ?
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| 04:38 | <dkostousov> How I can enable root console on ltsp-client?
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| 04:39 | yoshi__: I think, it should be in the chroot. But I don't sure that acceleration works over network.
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| 04:40 | <yoshi__> dkostousov: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd u
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| 04:41 | root
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| 04:41 | sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd
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| 04:41 | sudo ltsp-update-image
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| 04:43 | <dkostousov> yoshi__: I should run ltsp-update-image from the chroot?
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| 04:43 | <yoshi__> no
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| 04:43 | from the main system
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| 04:43 | the rest is in the chroot env
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| 04:44 | if you have an 64 bit main system and 32 bit client chroot you should add the option --arch i386 to the update command
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| 04:44 | <alkisg> Or you can put SCREEN_02=shell SCREEN_07=ldm in lts.conf, and switch to vt2 with alt+ctrl+f2 (no ltsp-update-image needed for that method)
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| 04:44 | <dkostousov> I use x86_64 server and i586 clients. Will chroot works on it?
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| 04:44 | alkisg: thx!
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| 04:45 | <alkisg> dkostousov: that in seperate lines, i.e.:
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| 04:45 | [Default]
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| 04:45 | SCREEN_02=shell
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| 04:45 | SCREEN_07=ldm
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| 04:45 | <dkostousov> How I can enable full boot output on client? I have strange problem with new switch.
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| 04:45 | <alkisg> sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 04:45 | and remove quiet splash from the end of the first line
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| 04:46 | <alkisg> yoshi__: to use the nvidia drivers on the clients, you need to install them on the chroot
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| 04:46 | ...and also put some lts.conf options to load them
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| 04:47 | <dkostousov> alkisg: acceleration works over network???
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| 04:48 | <alkisg> Well first of all he's talking about localapps...
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| 04:48 | ...and second, yes, some acceleration like xv does work over the network
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| 04:48 | <yoshi__> alkisg: tx i figured it out in the mean time, now for installing the nvidea driver i have to use the mediabuntu reposistory, is it enough to put this into the main system or do i have to put that repository also in the chroot ?
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| 04:48 | <alkisg> yoshi__: what ubuntu version is that?
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| 04:49 | <yoshi__> jaunty
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| 04:49 | <alkisg> No medibuntu repo needed
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| 04:49 | <yoshi__> ok tx :)
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| 04:49 | <alkisg> How did you install the chroot? With the alternate cd?
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| 04:50 | <dkostousov> what ltsp-update-image does?
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| 04:50 | <alkisg> dkostousov: it compresses /opt/ltsp/i386 into /opt/ltsp/images/<squashfs image>
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| 04:50 | <yoshi__> i installed the main system with alternate but not using de F4 switch, aftert the normal install i did apt-get install ltsp-server-stand...
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| 04:51 | <yoshi__> dkostousov: you always have to do this if you install something or change something in the chroot
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| 04:52 | <dkostousov> hmm... I thought)
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| 04:52 | <alkisg> yoshi__: I don't remember if the restricted repository gets into the chroot with that method. Check if it's there, or copy your server's sources.list into the chroot.
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| 04:52 | <yoshi__> because we build a new image that has to go to the clients
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| 04:52 | <dkostousov> thought that client uses /opt/ltsp/i386 over nfs
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| 04:52 | <alkisg> dkostousov: what distro?
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| 04:53 | <yoshi__> alkisg: i installed with sudo ltspbuildclient
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| 04:53 | arch
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| 04:53 | i386 copysourceslist
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| 04:53 | so its there yes :)
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| 04:53 | <alkisg> OK, I think in previous versions only the main repo was put into the chroot
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| 04:53 | <dkostousov> I use Fedora 11
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| 04:53 | <alkisg> dkostousov: yeah, we were talking about ubuntu and we got mixed up :)
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| 04:54 | Personally I don't know what fedora uses, it may use nfs...
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| 04:54 | <ogra> it does ... slower but you dont need to update the image
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| 04:56 | <dkostousov> How is it to configure network card params for a client?
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| 04:56 | * alkisg wants to do a squashfs/nbd versus partition/nbd speed comparison :) | |
| 04:56 | <ogra> ??
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| 04:56 | oh, partition, i read directory :P
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| 04:57 | alkisg, i doubt you seem much speed difference, but a lot more network traffic
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| 04:57 | <alkisg> Urm, if I don't get reduced speed due to more network bandwidth, then no problem there
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| 04:57 | <ogra> given that the unsquashing of the contents happens on read clientside ... vs transferring uncompressed data if you use a partition
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| 04:58 | <dkostousov> Does squashfs require more memory than partition?
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| 04:58 | <ogra> well, try it with 50-100 clients :P
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| 04:58 | dkostousov, nope, that will be about the same
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| 04:58 | <alkisg> ....well, so I'll see speed differences :)
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| 04:58 | <ogra> the uncompressing will use a tiny bit more CPU power on the client though
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| 04:59 | <alkisg> I don't think that's a problem usually ... even on ancient clients
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| 04:59 | <ogra> alkisg, it might be measurable slower, but i doubt you "feel" it
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| 04:59 | <alkisg> For fat clients it would be nice to have the chroot in a seperate partition
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| 04:59 | * dkostousov wants to switch to squashfs/nbd... | |
| 05:00 | <alkisg> It would give us the ability to boot with the chroot, and graphically administer the system
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| 05:00 | <ogra> indeed
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| 05:00 | as i said, the speed difference wont be significant
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| 05:00 | the bandwith usage will
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| 05:01 | <alkisg> yeah, but if the bandwidth affects the speed with e.g. 20 clients, then it's not worth it
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| 05:01 | <ogra> i doubt it will affect speed in that amount, but in big setups you will notice
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| 05:03 | <alkisg> Then it will be a nice solution for school labs :)
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| 05:03 | * alkisg puts this into his always-getting-longer TODO list :) | |
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| 05:13 | <yoshi__> why can't a ritch guy not startup a developers group who are getting payed to develop ltsp :)
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| 05:13 | so we can have an opensource citrix an ts solution with more options
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| 05:13 | where is richard branson when you need him :)
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| 05:23 | <moldy> hm, i don't know citrix. what is ltsp lacking in your opinion?
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| 05:43 | <dkostousov> I try to use usb flash drive on ltsp client. The flash is mounted properly but all non-ascii chars looks like "?".
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| 05:44 | Where I should set encoding or codepage?
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| 05:44 | <alkisg> Uhm that was fixed about 6-8 months ago upstream. Would it be in Fedora 11?
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| 05:45 | <ogra> alkisg, fedora might not default to UTF-8 for the system locales
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| 05:45 | <alkisg> Ooooo :-O
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| 05:45 | <ogra> which gets you in all sorts of encoding probs
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| 05:46 | not sure though
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| 05:50 | <dkostousov> Fedora's default locale: en_US.UTF-8
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| 05:51 | <ogra> well, then it should work with the fixed ltspfs
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| 05:51 | though not sure fedora 11 has that
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| 05:53 | <dkostousov> % rpm -qa \*ltsp\*
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| 05:53 | ltspfs-0.5.8-2.fc11.x86_64
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| 05:53 | ltsp-server-5.1.72-1.fc11.x86_64
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| 05:53 | ltspfsd-0.5.8-2.fc11.x86_64
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| 05:53 | vnc-ltsp-config-4.0-6.fc11.noarch
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| 05:53 | ltsp-client-5.1.72-1.fc11.x86_64
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| 05:55 | <alkisg> Ubuntu Jaunty (where it works ok): ii ltsp-client 5.1.83-0ubuntu1~ppa1 LTSP client environment
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| 05:55 | ii ltsp-client-core 5.1.83-0ubuntu1~ppa1 LTSP client environment (core)
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| 05:55 | ii ltspfsd 0.5.12-0ubuntu1~ppa1 Fuse based remote filesystem daemon for LTSP thin clients
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| 06:03 | <dkostousov> where I can download last ltsp source?
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| 06:03 | <alkisg> https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/
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| 06:10 | <dkostousov> bazaar O_o... I need a last stable release.
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| 06:11 | <ogra> that is in bzr
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| 06:11 | stable releases are based on bazaar tags
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| 06:12 | we dont roll tarballs because they have to be integrated with the distro packaging anyway ... so having plain tarballs is completely pointless
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| 06:13 | use mkdist to create a tarball for your distro, but make sure all corresponding packaging bits are in place as well
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| 08:22 | <_UsUrPeR_> stgraber: ping?
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| 08:33 | <jammcq> bom dia meu amigos
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| 08:39 | <_UsUrPeR_> morning jammcq
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| 08:42 | <jammcq> hey _UsUrPeR_
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| 09:04 | <_UsUrPeR_> ryan52: ping?
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| 09:07 | <Ryan52> _UsUrPeR_: pong
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| 09:08 | <_UsUrPeR_> yay!
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| 09:08 | ryan52: are you working on ltsp cluster for Fedora?
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| 09:08 | <Ryan52> nope
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| 09:08 | <_UsUrPeR_> d'oh
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| 09:08 | <Ryan52> warren might have thought I was..
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| 09:08 | he should have noticed that I'm unreliable by now..
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| 09:08 | * _UsUrPeR_ un-pings | |
| 09:08 | <Ryan52> :P
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| 09:08 | <_UsUrPeR_> :)
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| 10:05 | <_UsUrPeR_> stgraber: how are nodes added to the tree in ltsp-cluster-control?
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| 10:13 | <_UsUrPeR_> shawnp0wers: How's it going?
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| 11:56 | <dkostousov> pong
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| 12:14 | Is ltsp-5.1.85 latest stable release?
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| 12:14 | * vagrantc checks | |
| 12:14 | <vagrantc> yup
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| 12:14 | <ogra> yep
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| 12:15 | <vagrantc> a few minor updates in the VCS since then, but nothing major
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| 12:16 | <ogra> fedorsa stuff even
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| 12:16 | <dkostousov> ogra: what?
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| 12:16 | <ogra> vagrantc, "compatibility for common HORZSYNC/HORIZSYNC typo" lol :)
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| 12:16 | <johnny> lol
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| 12:17 | <vagrantc> ogra: well, when people consistantly make a totally understandable typo over the years... i figured we should at least support it.
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| 12:17 | <ogra> dkostousov, https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk see yourself, commits that are distro specific are usually prefixed with distro name
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| 12:17 | <vagrantc> easier than always telling people the right value ... when the right value is a typo in and of itself.
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| 12:17 | <ogra> yeah
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| 12:18 | <johnny> the day when that parameter is no longer needed will be good
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| 12:18 | and ones like it
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| 12:18 | * vagrantc proposed to correct the typo many years ago | |
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| 12:18 | <ogra> johnny, tell that to people using monitors that arent DDC capable :P
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| 12:18 | * Gadi blames jammcq | |
| 12:19 | <ogra> johnny, its only them we need it for
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| 12:19 | <johnny> yep
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| 12:19 | <vagrantc> or buggy DDC
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| 12:19 | <Gadi> don't forget poorly maintained drivers!
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| 12:19 | ;)
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| 12:19 | or poorly made KVM switches
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| 12:19 | or, or ,or ...
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| 12:19 | <johnny> stupid things
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| 12:19 | * vagrantc adds another or | |
| 12:19 | <ogra> pfft
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| 12:20 | you guys and your valid usecases
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| 12:20 | tsk
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| 12:21 | <dkostousov> what is the "typo"?
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| 12:21 | <Gadi> jammcq abbreviates "Horizontal" as "HORZ"
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| 12:21 | while many are inclined to use "HORIZ"
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| 12:22 | <vagrantc> well, since time immemorial, the value for setting HorizSync option as HORZSYNC
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| 12:22 | * Gadi thinks he was living in an 8 character world | |
| 12:23 | <dkostousov> where I can get latest ltspfs?
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| 12:23 | <Gadi> as a package for a distro or as code to package?
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| 12:25 | https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltspfs/ltspfs-trunk
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| 12:25 | that is upstream
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| 12:50 | <rm-rf> i'm getting some wierdness on a machine
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| 12:51 | it says that the target filesystem does not have /sbin/init
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| 12:51 | and drops me to a busybox shell
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| 12:51 | i have 3 other clients booting just fine, it's just this one that is having the problem
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| 12:51 | any ideas?
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| 12:55 | <dkostousov> do you have only "default" dir in tftp?
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| 13:00 | <Gadi> rm-rf: it most likely does not have a supported network driver in the initramfs
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| 13:01 | that would make it not be able to mount the nbd device
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| 13:01 | and therefore not be able to mount the rootfs
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| 13:01 | in the initramfs, you can test the theory by running /sbin/ifconfig
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| 13:01 | (ie in the busybox shell)
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| 14:21 | <yoshi__> little question i installed firefox as local app with flash plugin did the NAT trick and changed my lts.conf everything works perfectly after that is installed the ubunty-restricted stuff and java in the chroot. But now when i run firefox as local app is see the plugins installed in firefox but firefox won't pick it up and use them, if i go to a java site it complains it has a missing plugin if i want to see a movie embedded it
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| 14:21 | complains again ... any idea ?
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| 14:26 | <vagrantc> anything the plugin needs to function needs to be installed in the chroot
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| 14:27 | <yoshi__> i installed everything in the chroot
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| 14:27 | <rm-rf> how do i put more nic drivers in the initramfs?
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| 14:28 | <yoshi__> did apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras in the chroot
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| 14:28 | and java plugin an jre in the chroot
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| 14:28 | also in the main system
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| 14:28 | and when i don't use firefox as local app that works
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| 14:29 | but as soon as i use firefox as lokal app it just works with flash but not with the rest
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| 14:34 | * vagrantc looks at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5MinimumRequirements | |
| 14:35 | <vagrantc> looks like nearly everything is implemented except "5. Booting thin clients with as little as 32mb of system ram " and "7. Passing of VCI string from the client to the server (in initramfs)"
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| 14:36 | and i actually have submitted patches to initramfs-tools to implement the latter.
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| 14:36 | do the udhcp scripts pass VCI ?
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| 14:36 | configurable, that is
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| 19:43 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: would you want to be included in the uploaders for ltsp-docs?
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| 19:44 | otavio__: would you be available for an upload of ltsp-docs ? it will need NEW processing
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| 23:41 | <dvorak_> hi, are there any a;ternatives to setting up a LTSP client over wireless other than running thru a wireless bridge?
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| 23:41 | could I have a CD or local disk boot which sets up wifi access and then connects to the LTSP server?
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| 23:41 | <Guest36262> sure
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| 23:42 | <dvorak_> any url/link would help!
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| 23:42 | <johnny> i don't have any
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| 23:43 | <dvorak_> ok, so how do I do it?
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| 23:43 | <johnny> you kinda need to know how to mess with bootloaders
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| 23:43 | you basically just need the same kernel and initramfs as is in the tftp directory
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| 23:43 | and a bootloader to loadthem.. like grub
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| 23:43 | or syslinux/isolinux
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| 23:43 | <dvorak_> ok, and the root fs?
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| 23:44 | <johnny> i'm imagining your going to mount that right?
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| 23:44 | only thing i'm not sure how to handle is setting the wifi connection parameters
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| 23:45 | <dvorak_> so, i guess the steps are - boot the linux kernel, initrd, and a rootfs with scripts which should setup everything else?
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| 23:46 | all we really need at that point is setup wifi (initrd should have the right drivers, and X drivers I suppose) and then ssh to the ltsp server, and nfs
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| 23:47 | so, i would be surprised if someone hasn't already tried this!
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