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Channel log from 21 August 2009 (all times are UTC)
| 00:01 | <Beer30> I had a feeling it was pulling it in because I didn't delete the prebuilt packages... so this time around I deleted the libtool-2.2.4 package and it just now crashed with:
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| 00:01 | !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy ">=sys-devel/libtool-2.2.4" have been masked.
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| 00:01 | <ltspbot> Beer30: Error: "!!" is not a valid command.
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| 00:01 | <Beer30> All ebuilds that could satisfy ">=sys-devel/libtool-2.2.4" have been masked.
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| 00:03 | ...ugh. I think it is probably because I unmaksed pulseaudio-0.9.15-r51.... so disregard for now until I can rebuild it at work tomorrow. tired.... so very tired; can't think. g'nite all.
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| 01:34 | * alkisg updated https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWithoutNFS (put needed kernel parameters) | |
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| 01:35 | <alkisg> nubae: hi! Just wondering... If I put the fati386 chroot to a different partition, could I boot the server with it? (so that teachers would be able to customize it by using a GUI)
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| 01:48 | <alkisg> stgraber: ping?
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| 02:21 | <nubae> hmmm, I suppose
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| 02:21 | never tried
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| 02:45 | <Adem> Hi. I'm computer engineering student and i'm start to using Linux 1 months ago. I must start dhcp deamon, but i can't start. Because i can't configuration dhcpd.conf file. Is someone help me?
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| 02:46 | <alkisg> Adem: what distro/version are you using?
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| 02:46 | <Adem> Pardus 2009
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| 02:47 | <alkisg> Never seen that one. Anyway, can you upload your dhcpd.conf to http://pastebot.ltsp.org ?
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| 02:47 | <Adem> Ok. I'm uploading now.
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| 02:49 | <ltsppbot> "Adem" pasted "dhcpd.conf file" (21 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/483
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| 02:49 | <Adem> http://pastebot.ltsp.org/483
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| 02:52 | <alkisg> Adem: also, run this command in a terminal, and upload it's output again to pastebot: ifconfig -a
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| 02:52 | <Adem> okay
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| 02:53 | <ltsppbot> "Adem" pasted "ifconfig -a output" (27 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/484
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| 02:53 | <Adem> http://pastebot.ltsp.org/484
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| 02:54 | <alkisg> Adem: you have 2 nics, one of them has ip=192.168.33.16, and the other one doesn't have an IP.
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| 02:54 | Where are your ltsp clients connected? In eth0?
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| 02:55 | <Adem> Yes, i'm trying on eth0
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| 02:56 | <alkisg> So, instead of modifying dhcpd.conf, you could just set your eth0 ip.
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| 02:56 | Is there an /etc/network/interfaces file in pardus?
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| 02:57 | <Adem> No, net_tools, ppp and wireless_tools files only
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| 02:58 | <alkisg> Adem: you should find a way to set your eth0 to use IP=10.0.0.1
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| 02:58 | Google for that, I have no idea how to do it on pardus.
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| 02:59 | <Adem> Thank you for interests alkisg. I am searching now
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| 02:59 | <alkisg> Google for something like "pardus set static ip"
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| 02:59 | <Adem> Thank you, if i found answer, i will write you. Thank you.
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| 06:22 | <stgraber> alkisg: pong
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| 06:23 | <alkisg> stgraber: hey man
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| 06:23 | Sorry if I sent to many messages :)
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| 06:23 | I just sent another one about making ica-launcher send the ltsp client hostname instead of the server hostname
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| 06:24 | But in order for this to _always_ work (and not only on the default setup) the ltsp scripts should expose the hostname in an environment parameter or in an xprop
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| 06:24 | <stgraber> alkisg: something like $LTSP_CLIENT you mean ?
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| 06:25 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 06:25 | But LTSP_CLIENT only has the IP, not the client hostname
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| 06:25 | <stgraber> indeed
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| 06:26 | <alkisg> Now in italc I'm seeing all clients as "servername" - not really useful as it is
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| 06:26 | <stgraber> right, I usually change that for the username instead
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| 06:27 | <alkisg> You mean from the italc GUI? That only changes the second column, not the first one, which remains "servername"
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| 06:29 | <stgraber> http://paste.ubuntu.com/256850/
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| 06:29 | that will help once it's in Ubuntu
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| 06:29 | <alkisg> Perfect
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| 06:29 | and a line in ica-launcher, and then upload it to ppa :)
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| 06:29 | You're great!
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| 06:30 | Thanks a lot man
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| 06:30 | <ogra> stgraber, what will you gain from that ?
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| 06:30 | hostname isnt set
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| 06:30 | well, set to "ltsp" everywhere
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| 06:31 | <alkisg> ogra: no, that's been changed to "ltsp1234"
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| 06:31 | I've sent a patch for that last year
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| 06:31 | <stgraber> ogra: that has been changed recently
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| 06:31 | <ogra> hrm
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| 06:31 | <stgraber> well, like 6 months ago, not sure you can call that recent :)
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| 06:32 | <alkisg> It's calculated based on the subnet netmask, i.e. from ltsp1 to ltsp#max-clients-that-the-subnet-mask-allows
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| 06:32 | <ogra> how does that work if you hand out hostnames via dhcp or if you want to run a properly configured local DNS ?
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| 06:32 | <alkisg> So for 255.255.255.0 => ltsp1 to ltsp255
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| 06:32 | <ogra> has that been tested properly in both cases ?
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| 06:33 | <alkisg> But for 255.0.0.0 => some millions
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| 06:33 | <stgraber> I hope we use the DHCP hostname if there is one and use that generate hostname as fallback
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| 06:33 | <alkisg> Me and vagrantc had tested it, seems ok...
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| 06:33 | <ogra> we omitted all the DNS stuff for years because there are so many special cases you can run to
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| 06:33 | i was alwas reluctant to do that change unless we can be sure all of them are covered
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| 06:33 | <alkisg> The client hostname isn't really used anywhere in the default case, is it? It's just as a convenience for the teacher...
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| 06:34 | <ogra> remote syslog
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| 06:34 | <stgraber> anyway, got to go to the office now, I pushed that hostname change + a bugfix.
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| 06:34 | <alkisg> thanks stgraber
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| 06:34 | <ogra> if you set up a DNS that hands out names that differ your syslog will hang infinitive
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| 06:35 | <alkisg> names sent by dhcp take precedence over the ltspXXX ones
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| 06:35 | So if someone has set up a dns, he shouldn't even be seeing ltspXXX...
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| 06:35 | <ogra> ye, but was it tested with a set up DNS at all
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| 06:36 | its a common case if you dont have a separate TC network to add the clients to DNS
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| 06:36 | <alkisg> Ah. I think so, but I'm not 100% percent sure
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| 06:36 | I think the code checks to see if the hostname is set before defaulting to ltspXXX
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| 06:36 | <ogra> thats why i was opposed to make that change, we had it in very early versions
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| 06:37 | and had a lot of complaints back then
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| 06:37 | <alkisg> It's been upstream for some time now, I didn't hear any complains...
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| 06:37 | btw, another patch has also been applied, which sets the ltspXXX name based on the *mac* address instead of the ip address
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| 06:37 | <ogra> likely because the dapper users still didnt upgrade :P
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| 06:37 | <alkisg> Heh :)
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| 06:37 | You're probably right on that! :D
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| 06:38 | <ogra> well, i dont think it does matter what you put *in* the name (MAC, IP, random UUID, timestamp) as long as overriding it works from the services that usually can override it
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| 06:39 | <alkisg> Yeah I think this works as planned
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| 06:39 | <ogra> dhcp is one, DNS is the other
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| 06:39 | <alkisg> Hmmm dns
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| 06:39 | ?
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| 06:39 | I know dhcp can ask all the dns names while initializing, but dns itself, how?
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| 06:40 | <ogra> right, dhcp can aks DNS names and set your hostname according to the answer
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| 06:40 | thats what i'm referring to
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| 06:40 | <alkisg> OK, I think we tested that.
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| 06:40 | I think it also works correctly when passing hostname as a kernel parameter
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| 06:40 | (ip=X:X:X:X:hostname:X)
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| 06:40 | <ogra> i'm *not* talking about setting the hostname from dhcpd.conf
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| 06:41 | <alkisg> I get it
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| 06:41 | Let me find the dhcp directive for that dns thing...
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| 06:41 | <ogra> just check if its properly overridden
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| 06:41 | else you will get massive probs with remote syslogging
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| 06:42 | silly syslog ...
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| 06:43 | <alkisg> We're talking about `get-lease-hostnames true`, right?
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| 06:43 | <ogra> i think so
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| 06:43 | <alkisg> OK, I think we checked that.
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| 06:45 | <ogra> you think or you know ? :)
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| 06:45 | <alkisg> :-*
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| 06:45 | Ooops
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| 06:45 | Wrong emoticon
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| 07:17 | <alkisg> :-X (that was the one I was looking for)
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| 07:32 | <maginot> I tryed updating openoffice with the deb package from openoffice site, after removing the ubuntu built in openoffice and installing from last version (no errors) when someone opens a document it closes... this can be related to ltsp ?
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| 07:57 | <zamba> johnny: sabayon not working
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| 07:57 | links placed on the desktop are not recognized by the clients
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| 07:58 | they have the .desktop extention, but the client doesn't know what to do with it
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| 08:37 | <coordinador_zzz> hi
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| 08:43 | <sbalneav> Hello
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| 08:43 | <ogra> morning sbalneav
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| 08:43 | <sbalneav> Hey ogra!
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| 08:44 | Oooooh, I think we have a winner with sabayon
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| 08:44 | <ogra> cool !
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| 08:44 | <sbalneav> both lns and dgroos tried my 0ubuntu4 packages yesterday, I think I killed the crasher bugs in paneldelegate.py
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| 08:45 | <ogra> sbalneav, if you have something to upload to karmic, let me know
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| 08:48 | <sbalneav> highvoltage and I are discussing it now
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| 08:49 | So, what's in my PPA might be good, whats the process
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| 08:49 | <ogra> sabayon is in main
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| 09:00 | <jammcq> good morning friends
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| 11:36 | <knipwim> Beer30: i saw you needed ccache to work in the ltsp-build-client script?
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| 11:36 | still do?
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| 11:36 | <Beer30> yes
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| 11:36 | <knipwim> you know where to find the profile.qs file?
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| 11:36 | <Beer30> yup
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| 11:37 | <knipwim> just add CCACHE="true"
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| 11:37 | somewhere before the ccache part
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| 11:37 | i still have to make a config option
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| 11:37 | <Beer30> ok. that is what I did late last night, but wasn't sure if there was a command-line option to turn it on.
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| 11:37 | gotcha
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| 11:40 | <Beer30> I'm starting over from scratch because I think my system was tainted due to trying to rebuild ltsp so many times. So, hopefully, it'll all go smoothly this time. I'll let you and johnny know if I run into anything.
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| 11:41 | <knipwim> much appriciated
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| 11:43 | <Beer30> all thanks you.... and johnny... and dberkholtz ;)
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| 11:45 | btw, now that we can build the chroot again, how well do clients the work?
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| 11:45 | <johnny> decent.. altho we might need to add a few more things to the bindmounts
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| 11:46 | <Beer30> sweet
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| 11:46 | <johnny> last time i checked anyways..
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| 11:47 | <Beer30> hopefully I can get to that point sometime today...
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| 12:24 | <Coordinador> hi
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| 12:39 | <sbalneav> Hello
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| 12:41 | <jammcq> sbalneav: Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 12:53 | <sbalneav> Hey jammcq
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| 13:25 | <knipwim> is the $BASE from ltsp-build-client --base available to all distros in the plugin dir?
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| 13:25 | <ogra> yes
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| 13:26 | like $ROOT
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| 13:26 | or $ARCH
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| 13:26 | best is to look through the plugins in the common/ dir
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| 13:26 | that should definately have all shared vars that are used
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| 13:26 | <knipwim> would it be a good idea to change the 035-update-kernels plugin, used in some of the distros
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| 13:27 | to call for /usr/sbin/ltsp-update-kernels --basedir ${BASE} ?
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| 13:28 | otherwise you need to repeat that step after installing, if you have a different base
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| 13:32 | <alkisg> What do I have to restart when I modify /etc/exports for nfs? (ubuntu) sudo invoke-rc.d nfs-kernel-server restart ?
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| 13:32 | 'cause that doesn't seem to work for me...
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| 13:39 | <knipwim> alkisg: restart nfs would suffice
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| 13:39 | and i remember there was a command to reload /etc/exports
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| 13:39 | <alkisg> I don't have "nfs"... there's only nfs-server-kernel and nfs-common, and both fail to load if I change exports & restart
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| 13:40 | <knipwim> exportfs -r
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| 13:40 | <alkisg> Thanks!
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| 13:41 | * alkisg just netbooted (via nfs) a desktop PC using his Karmic partition from his laptop! Remote booting is easy after all! :) | |
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| 13:42 | <alkisg> ...now to make that work for 12 PCs simultaneously... :D
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| 13:56 | <jammcq> sbalneav: ping
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| 15:49 | <knipwim> johnny: i updated ltsp on the gentoo wiki
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| 15:50 | no more unionfs
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| 15:50 | <Beer30> woohoo!!
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| 15:50 | <knipwim> plus i got the source in guidexml
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| 15:57 | <Beer30> double woohoo!!
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| 16:02 | <johnny> knipwim, my glasses are dead atm.. i can't really look at screen for too long
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| 16:03 | gonna glue the pieces together until my eye exam happens
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| 16:03 | been a few years since i got one
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| 16:08 | <nubae> greets johnny
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| 16:08 | johnny, which xmpp client was it u were using?
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| 16:09 | <johnny> gajim
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| 16:10 | pidgin 2.6.0 is looking much more like a respectable im client these days tho
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| 16:10 | it supports service discovery now
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| 16:10 | and now has voice and video
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| 16:10 | * Gadi wonders what use video is to a man with broken glasses | |
| 16:11 | <nubae> yeah... have u seen synapse? that one is pretty cool
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| 16:12 | <nubae> well, at least has the most XEPs in it, though totally not working completely...
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| 16:12 | quite buggy... but its a nice sign of things to come
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| 16:12 | <erieslabnx> I know this is off topic but is there anyone who can help me with a Sabayon question here?
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| 16:12 | <nubae> I also like the share your desktop option in empathy... sadly missing from pidgin
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| 16:13 | <erieslabnx> I wanna edit user profiles from my laptop at home, rather than sitting at work all day doing it... Can I copy a config file or something and do the same thing or no?
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| 16:13 | <nubae> still, I've been asked to evaluate the best xmpp client for use in schools (for my job)
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| 16:13 | I like cocinnella cause it does the shared whiteboard
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| 16:14 | <erieslabnx> nubae can you do custom branding on cocinnella?
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| 16:15 | <nubae> well its OS so I'd imagine so
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| 16:15 | its coded in TK, so pretty easy to hack
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| 16:15 | <erieslabnx> ok sorry for the interruption :)
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| 16:16 | <nubae> erieslabnx, someone created something new like sabayon
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| 16:16 | called custard
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| 16:16 | seems like a possible replacement based on xnestting too
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| 16:17 | <erieslabnx> will look it up now :) is it as advanced as sabayon or still an infant?
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| 16:17 | <Beer30> http://http://custard.sourceforge.net/ fyi ;)
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| 16:18 | <erieslabnx> brand new :)
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| 16:18 | like 3 days
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| 16:18 | you guys are quick here
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| 16:18 | <johnny> nubae, whiteboard exists
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| 16:19 | in gajim branch that is
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| 16:19 | i gotta run to pick up some epoxy..bbiab
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| 16:22 | <nubae> well, just read the mailing lists :-)
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| 16:24 | <erieslabnx> thanks guys off to play with custard, have fun
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| 16:24 | thank you nubae
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| 16:24 | and beer30 thank you too
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| 16:26 | <Beer30> np
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| 17:46 | <johnny> well.. this is sad that custard exists
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| 17:46 | instead of working on sabayon
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| 18:01 | <Ahmuck-Sr> johnny: i don't think it's sad it exists
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| 18:01 | it does something sabayon doesn't do for one
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| 18:01 | it uses the dot files for configuration of many apps
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| 18:01 | <johnny> sure.. but shouldn't it be part of sabayon then/
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| 18:02 | instead of another choice for users
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| 18:02 | and split development work
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| 18:02 | etc
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| 18:03 | <Ahmuck-Sr> look at linux, we have mplayer, kaffiene, etc.
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| 18:04 | it's split development, but talking with sbalneav sabayon doesn't have this option and it's klunky to get around in
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| 18:05 | linux has always been about split development. someone saw a need and developed something for it
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| 18:05 | bbl
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| 18:06 | it also pushes one app to do better, compeitition
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| 18:33 | <johnny> Ahmuck, sure.. but those are media players..
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| 21:10 | <Beer30> johnny & knipwim: ltsp-build-client worked perfectly!
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| 21:36 | <johnny> sweet
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| 21:36 | my glasses are sorta fixed for now.. until i get another pair
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| 21:36 | just waiting for the epoxy to harden a bit..
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| 21:52 | <Beer30> sweet
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| 23:04 | <chupacabra> anybody know where Jim is?
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| 23:11 | <alkisg> Good morning
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| 23:23 | <vagrantc> chupacabra: probably michigan
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| 23:42 | <chupacabra> lol.
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| 23:43 | You know the name of that SAMBA guy that is a friend of LTSP and lives in Austin or somewhere in texas?
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| 23:43 | <chupacabra> I cant pull his name off the tip of my tongue.
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| 23:44 | I think he worked at novell for a while too.
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| 23:45 | <chupacabra> we are having a linux fest here and I am wanting to find him and see if LTSP wants to come.
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| 23:45 | find him and also see if LTSP wants to come
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| 23:46 | Jim likes coming here.
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