IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 5 April 2008 (all times are UTC)
| 00:03 | <johnny> dberkholz, you around?
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| 00:04 | or as the locals say..
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| 00:04 | ping
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| 00:06 | <dberkholz> johnny: sure
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| 00:08 | <johnny> so, did you see the see it?
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| 00:09 | <johnny> got my ping from around 11pm your time yesterday?
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| 00:19 | i'm still working on the init scripts.. mosty it's just copied from the debian/ubuntu one
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| 00:21 | vagrantc was talking about moving some of the functions in the ltsp-client-setup initscript to ltsp-init-common
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| 00:21 | so it wont' be duplicated for long
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| 00:22 | i should try pulling virtualbox from svn
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| 00:23 | that one actually lets you do ctrl + alt + f*
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| 00:23 | which is nicer for dealing with crashed X
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| 00:23 | <dberkholz> johnny: what exactly would you like me to see?
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| 00:24 | <johnny> did you look at the ebuilds? and at my bzr link i gave?
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| 00:24 | http://devel.localmomentum.net:8082/ltsp/ltsp_gentoo/changes
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| 00:24 | <dberkholz> johnny: was my nick in front of them?
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| 00:24 | if not, i probably didn't
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| 00:24 | <johnny> yes .. i said i pinged you :)
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| 00:25 | <dberkholz> i just grepped my irc log for johnny.*dberkholz and i didn't see any links
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| 00:25 | <johnny> oh.. it wasn't in the same line.. you needed more -C
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| 00:26 | oh.. i updated the global overlays file so you can layman -a ltsp
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| 00:26 | <dberkholz> johnny: would it be more helpful for me to suggest changes to you, or just commit them?
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| 00:27 | and you could then look through my changes
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| 00:28 | <johnny> i'd prefer if we could stay in the know for anything other than small bugfixes for the initial period of getting it working
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| 00:28 | <dberkholz> johnny: that really didn't answer the question, since both things i suggested were ways of staying in the know
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| 00:29 | <johnny> suggest then.
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| 00:29 | for nwo
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| 00:29 | for now
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| 00:34 | <dberkholz> that quickstart client option seems really poorly named
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| 00:36 | <johnny> i agree
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| 00:36 | that's why i renamed it..
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| 00:36 | <dberkholz> johnny: i'm unable to look at the .qs file
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| 00:36 | <johnny> i just noticed that too
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| 00:36 | seems to be a bug in loggerhead
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| 00:36 | mime type confusion probably
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| 00:37 | <dberkholz> the two plugins look generally ok. curious about PACKAGES being the early-packages list, since i don't really know quickstart
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| 00:38 | <johnny> the name should just be extra-packages
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| 00:38 | <johnny> but.. if i do that.. i can overload our own needed packages in the quickstart profile, since the variables are named the same internally
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| 00:39 | <johnny> i'm not happy with what i had to do with the env variables passed to quickstart
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| 00:39 | <dberkholz> which part aren't you happy with?
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| 00:40 | <johnny> it just looks ugly seeing all the variables shoehorned in like that
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| 00:40 | i think there is room for some of them to be actual parameters of quickstart
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| 00:40 | <dberkholz> make it a multiline command with end-of-line \, looks nicer.
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| 00:40 | <johnny> yeah.. i'm gonna do that..
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| 00:41 | <dberkholz> not just "nicer," also more readable i think
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| 00:41 | <johnny> i don't know bash array foo to emulate that myself
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| 00:41 | <dberkholz> not worth doing
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| 00:42 | it gets weird fast when you start having even mildly strange variable settings
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| 00:42 | <johnny> it'd be nice to just say .. pass all the variables prefixed with LTSP to quickstart or something
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| 00:42 | so the list doesn't have to be maintained
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| 00:42 | <dberkholz> somtehing like ${!LTSP*}
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| 00:43 | <johnny> but it needs to explose them out to name value pairs tho?
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| 00:43 | explode*
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| 00:43 | oh..
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| 00:43 | uh
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| 00:43 | nuh
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| 00:43 | <dberkholz> it gets tricky
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| 00:43 | <johnny> yeah.. ok
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| 00:43 | <dberkholz> that part expands to the names, then you can do an indirect reference on the names to get the values
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| 00:44 | for key in ${!LTSP*}; do echo $KEY=${!KEY}
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| 00:44 | you get the idea
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| 00:44 | <johnny> ok.. looks familiar
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| 00:44 | seems useful for entire ltsp ..
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| 00:44 | <dberkholz> if you've got bash, not just sh
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| 00:44 | <johnny> figured
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| 00:44 | <dberkholz> ltsp-build-client does depend on bash
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| 00:45 | <johnny> but quickstart wants to depend on sh only ..
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| 00:45 | <dberkholz> this is how we're calling quickstart, not internal to it
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| 00:46 | <johnny> yes
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| 00:46 | so.. now i'm back at the problem of getting the fs mounted ..
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| 00:47 | i have booted successfully into x btw
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| 00:47 | ldm freezes up tho
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| 00:47 | <dberkholz> johnny: great news
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| 00:48 | <johnny> see.. that's why i mentioned virtualbox earlier..
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| 00:48 | i could really use that ctrl + alt +f1 :)
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| 00:48 | trying to look at the log.. but it is difficult
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| 00:48 | oh.. duh.. i could start sshd!
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| 00:49 | this is with the default genkernel3.10_pre7 kernel config using gentoo-sources
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| 00:50 | <johnny> perhpas.. the problem is.. i'm not sure where i'm stuck at now
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| 00:50 | i know i'm stuck.. but i dont know why
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| 00:53 | vagrantc said something about using bind mounting tmpfs over ro nfs
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| 00:53 | but i'm not sure i have it setup completely right
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| 01:02 | <johnny> so.. if you end up finding the changes acceptable, i'd like to get stuff moved over to the launchpad space
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| 01:02 | bzr isn't too friendly on my own server , so i don't want it to stay there being used by ebuilds for long
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| 01:05 | <dberkholz> johnny: the two plugins look reasonable, i can't see the .qs so it's hard to say
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| 01:05 | <johnny> you could branch it?
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| 01:05 | <dberkholz> how do i get at the code?
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| 01:06 | <johnny> bzr pull bzr://devel.localmomentum.net/ltsp-gentoo
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| 01:06 | err
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| 01:06 | no.. branch :)
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| 01:07 | <dberkholz> i did branch
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| 01:07 | the i386-ness seems weird, since $arch is used in there
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| 01:09 | <johnny> i was going to ask you if we wanted to stick with that or not
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| 01:09 | see.. we have two different paradigms here..
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| 01:09 | debian needs to s/i386/x86/
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| 01:09 | and we need to s/amd64/x86_64/
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| 01:09 | or something..
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| 01:09 | otherwise there will always be an issue :)
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| 01:09 | <dberkholz> use_linux32 somehow looks shady to me too, even though i don't know what it does
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| 01:10 | <johnny> do you know the setarch command?
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| 01:10 | <dberkholz> nope
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| 01:11 | i've had an amd64 for about 2 weeks now
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| 01:11 | <johnny> if you run a command prefixed with setarch 686
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| 01:11 | uname -m will like to all askers called inside the program
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| 01:11 | err s/like/lie/
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| 01:12 | so.. your uname -m is x86_64
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| 01:12 | but inside it's i686
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| 01:12 | <dberkholz> ok
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| 01:12 | my earlier point about i386 was more that i don't understand why it has to be an arch-specific quickstart file
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| 01:12 | <johnny> linux32 is just shorthand for setarch 686
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| 01:13 | i was just passing down variables used by ltsp
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| 01:13 | it doesn't have to be
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| 01:13 | <dberkholz> it seems like there's about 2 things in there that force it to be arch-specific
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| 01:13 | and they're the top 2 lines
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| 01:14 | <johnny> linux32 needs to be conditional
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| 01:14 | oh.. btw.. linux32 also works in the case of pp64 vs ppc
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| 01:15 | <dberkholz> if you're actually on a ppc64 multilib system =)
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| 01:15 | <johnny> well whoever has it working.. somewhere in the world.. can use it.. with no effort on our part .. :)
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| 01:16 | ok.. so.. env variables
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| 01:16 | <cyberorg> i am using linux32 by default if user tries to build on 64bit host
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| 01:16 | <johnny> i'm kinda irritated about using environment variables in this way
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| 01:17 | cyberorg, warren does that too
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| 01:17 | they are essentially hidden parameters to our profile
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| 01:17 | <warren> I allow them to specify x86_64 explicitly if htey want it
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| 01:17 | <johnny> sure
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| 01:18 | dberkholz, we're defaulting x86 atm
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| 01:18 | and forcing ;)
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| 01:18 | dberkholz, see if you can convince agaffney to allow you to pass --arch as a parameter to quickstart :)
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| 01:19 | <dberkholz> could make it listen to stuff like CHOST etc..
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| 01:21 | <johnny> for?
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| 01:21 | compiling?
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| 01:22 | <dberkholz> johnny: well, the idea being that if you're planning to cross-compile, you probably also want to cross-stage
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| 01:22 | <johnny> uname -m is used outside of compiled stuff
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| 01:24 | <dberkholz> oh good, you found /fastboot
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| 01:24 | <johnny> i need to find out of it applies to openrc
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| 01:24 | i think we're going to need openrc
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| 01:24 | my current quickstart config doesn't reflect that
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| 01:25 | <dberkholz> hm, doesn't look like it does have that.
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| 01:25 | <johnny> i think can can do such a thing in the rc.conf file
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| 01:26 | i'm going to try to talk to cardoe about our boot process
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| 01:26 | see if he can help me do it the openrc way
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| 01:26 | <dberkholz> i can probably help you out with that
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| 01:26 | <johnny> if you're friendly with uberlord..
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| 01:26 | go to it
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| 01:27 | <dberkholz> well, i don't think i need anyone's help
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| 01:27 | <johnny> well.. sweet
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| 01:27 | <dberkholz> i'm reasonably familiar with baselayout-2 and there weren't that many changes
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| 01:27 | (baselayout-2 before it became openrc)
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| 01:27 | <johnny> i'm kinda wondering about that keyword stuff they put in there
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| 01:27 | it seems kinda wrong to me
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| 01:28 | to have to manually maintain that list
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| 01:28 | across files
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| 01:28 | <dberkholz> right, you were mentioning that
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| 01:32 | <johnny> why isn't there some sort of variable like init_pretend=blah blah blah
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| 01:32 | i'm sure somebody could come up with a better name
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| 01:32 | maybe i'm just missing the point?
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| 01:34 | <dberkholz> johnny: i think there are arguments for the other side as well
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| 01:35 | <johnny> i would like to know it
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| 01:35 | <dberkholz> if you look at it from the perspective of the init scripts rather than the perspective of the use cases (vserver, etc)
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| 01:35 | the init scripts might like to have all the metadata relevant to them in one place
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| 01:36 | they already include dependencies in them, and this is similar to a dependency
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| 01:56 | <johnny> dberkholz, we still need to figure out the kernel, what are we going to do if we stick to genkernel3?
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| 01:56 | should we patch genkernel3 to do what we want?
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| 01:56 | and get it upstreamed?
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| 01:57 | or try to make genkernel4 do it ..
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| 01:57 | <dberkholz> johnny: my mind is faulty -- what exactly isn't it doing at this point?
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| 01:57 | <johnny> it currently will not run outside of the chroot
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| 01:57 | for 32bit clients with 64bit server that is
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| 01:58 | <johnny> you get the 32bit kernel, but then busybox won't run
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| 01:59 | we could compile it in the chroot, but i assume we plan on updating it outside of it
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| 02:00 | <dberkholz> johnny: ok, so the 64/32 combo is the problem.
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| 02:00 | <johnny> it also needs to be able to patch a kernel for unionfs, unless we use aufs
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| 02:01 | <johnny> we also need something for nbd in the future
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| 02:02 | but that's in the initramfs
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| 02:02 | we could just use initramfs-tools..
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| 02:04 | i'm just not quite sure HOW early we can jump into our rootfs and let openrc do the rest
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| 03:15 | <johnny> sleep time..
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| 04:23 | <yanu> someone knows how to remimber the choosen session with ldm, seems ldm always forget it and returns to the loginscreen
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| 04:23 | making a $HOME/.xsession doesn't help
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| 04:43 | <yanu> using LDM_REMOTECMD=/usr/bin/firefox-3.0 doesn't work
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| 05:37 | <alexbodn> hi friends
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| 05:38 | my bios won't boot from the network. can i set a bootable cd to continue the boot from the ltsp?
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| 05:38 | <laga> alexbodn: etherboot has everything you need
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| 05:39 | <alexbodn> laga: thanks, but they ask for too specific data on my nic. coul one cd support multiple nic types?
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| 05:49 | <laga> alexbodn: you can put the kernel + initrd on a bootable CD, but you'll have to hard code the address of your server then
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| 06:09 | <alexbodn> laga: isn' that findable by dhcp?
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| 06:09 | and tftp?
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| 06:14 | <laga> alexbodn: only if your computer supports pxe
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| 06:15 | <alexbodn> ok, so the bootin kernel can't hand the boot process to a ltsp kernel?
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| 06:16 | <laga> what "bootin' kernel"?
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| 06:17 | <alexbodn> s/bootin/currently booting localy/
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| 06:20 | <laga> that might be possible.. but if you already got a working linux install on that computer, then you might be able to use that to connect to the LTSP server
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| 07:21 | <alexbodn> laga: sorry for the delay. my line went off.
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| 07:21 | <alexbodn> but that would be a regular xdmcp?
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| 07:26 | <laga> i dont know
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| 09:33 | <vagrantc> warren, ogra_cmpc, cyberorg, johnny, dberkholz, gvy, jammcq: i'm planning on tagging a new ldm version within the next few hours, please coordinate with me if you plan to make commits today.
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| 09:34 | <jammcq_> umm, prolly no commits from me today
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| 09:34 | <vagrantc> jammcq_: heh. :)
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| 09:34 | jammcq_: i'm not even sure you have commit access ... but i figured i'd let you know since you were in here :)
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| 09:35 | <jammcq_> heh
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| 09:35 | even if I had commit access, I wouldn't know what to do with it
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| 09:35 | <vagrantc> that's why you need some monkeys or something
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| 09:36 | <jammcq_> vagrantc: you still in spain?
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| 09:36 | <vagrantc> jammcq_: yeah.
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| 09:36 | <jammcq_> when you heading home?
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| 09:37 | <vagrantc> jammcq_: leaving spain all too soon ... this monday i think.
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| 09:37 | <jammcq_> any consensus on the timing of the portland hackfest?
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| 09:38 | <vagrantc> jammcq_: but i'll slowly make my way back west from nyc -> pdx
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| 09:38 | <jammcq_> train?
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| 09:38 | <vagrantc> jammcq_: i haven't heard any consensus. seems like dberkholz can't make it before oscon, but i think most other people are ok with before oscon...
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| 09:38 | jammcq_: would be really good to get that sorted out sooner than later, eh?
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| 09:39 | <jammcq_> I think i'm ok before too
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| 09:39 | yeah, get it sorted out, so those who have to buy plane tickets can get that going
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| 09:40 | <vagrantc> jammcq_: i'll be stopping in buffalo, toronto and wisconsin before really heading back to portland
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| 09:40 | <jammcq_> wow, whirlwind trip
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| 09:41 | <yanu> someone knows how to remimber the choosen session with ldm, seems ldm always forget it and returns to the loginscreen
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| 09:41 | making a $HOME/.xsession doesn't help
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| 09:41 | using LDM_REMOTECMD=/usr/bin/firefox-3.0 doesn't work
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| 09:41 | <vagrantc> i'd be really surprised if $HOME/.xsession doesn't work on debian or ubuntu.
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| 09:42 | <yanu> it doesn't or something sits in the way?
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| 09:43 | <vagrantc> if you've messed with LDM_REMOTECMD, i guess $HOME/.xsession might break...
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| 09:43 | will likely ...
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| 09:43 | <yanu> permissions are 755
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| 09:43 | before i used LDM_REMOTECMD, .xsession didn't work either
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| 09:45 | problem is in fact; if i do not choose a session from the list offered by ldm, i'll get a black screen with the X-cross, and after a while, ldm restarts
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| 09:45 | choosing ea. gnome-session i'll get gnome, but i just want firefox for that user
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| 09:49 | <vagrantc> yanu: could you paste your ~/.xsession file to the pastebot?
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| 09:49 | !pastebot
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| 09:49 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 09:50 | <yanu> have to type it, moment
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| 09:51 | <vagrantc> make sure it's exactly the same, then.
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| 09:54 | <ltsppbot> "yanu" pasted ".xession" (6 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/500
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| 09:56 | <vagrantc> yanu: ok, try one of the x sessions that LDM uses. might be something wrong with the command you are trying to run.
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| 09:56 | yanu: like, put one of those sessions into .xsession
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| 09:57 | <yanu> ok, moment
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| 09:57 | <vagrantc> you may need to run some kind of a window manager just to get it to work.
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| 09:57 | yanu: ah!
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| 09:57 | yanu: xsetroot -solid "#239EC4" &
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| 09:58 | yanu: add the & ... otherwise it will wait till that finishes before starting firefox
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| 09:58 | yanu: if that doesn't help, then you'll have to use one of the sessions just to know that .xsession is respected
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| 09:59 | <yanu> took /usr/bin/gnome-session, not working
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| 10:01 | if i choose a session out of the ldm list, it works fine
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| 10:02 | how can i add, the firefox-line, to the ldm-list?
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| 10:02 | <vagrantc> yanu: which linux distribution and release?
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| 10:02 | <yanu> gutsy
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| 10:02 | * vagrantc assumes ubuntu | |
| 10:03 | <yanu> i upgraded that machine from edgy over fiesty to gutsy (ubuntu)
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| 10:03 | <vagrantc> yanu: did you upgrade the chroot as well?
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| 10:03 | or re-install
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| 10:03 | <yanu> ya, i made a new one
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| 10:04 | on mij debianserver (sid), my kids always have to choose a session also when logging in
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| 10:05 | i'll try a .xsession
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| 10:08 | hmm, on debian it works lik a charm
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| 10:10 | <vagrantc> go debian! :)
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| 10:11 | <yanu> indeed
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| 10:11 | strange although
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| 10:15 | debian works also on the same client (hardware ...)
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| 10:17 | other suggistions, logfiles to watch ???
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| 10:21 | vagrantc: :) that debian works very well, that means you do a very good job!! (just read the wiki)
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| 12:58 | <johnny> vagrantc_, hey
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| 12:58 | you about still?
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| 13:22 | <vagrantc_> johnny: yeah. adding one more translation to ldm, testing, and tagging and uploading it.
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| 13:23 | <johnny> i need to have it working first, before i suggest changes :)
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| 13:23 | <vagrantc_> heh
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| 13:23 | <johnny> i just added netcat as a dep for my chroot
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| 13:24 | <johnny> so.. why is /var/lib/tftboot used instead of /opt/ltsp/tftp ?
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| 13:25 | <vagrantc_> because that is the default tftpboot directory on debian, ubuntu and soon to be fedora.
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| 13:25 | it is configurable.
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| 13:25 | <johnny> i noticed the ltsp-update-image is a bit debian specific
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| 13:25 | i don't think warren is using it
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| 13:25 | <vagrantc_> no, it's ubuntu-specific.
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| 13:26 | <johnny> oh
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| 13:26 | <vagrantc_> doesn't work very well on debian at all.
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| 13:26 | <johnny> what do you use on debian?
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| 13:26 | <vagrantc_> NFS
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| 13:26 | <johnny> oh.. i thought you were doing nbd + ext2?
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| 13:27 | <vagrantc_> yeah, i added a plugin to generate it, but it just creates an empty ext2 filesystem and then mounts it on /opt/ltsp/i386 and installs it like usual.
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| 13:29 | <johnny> i'm having a bit of trouble getting the mounting worked out
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| 13:30 | <vagrantc_> and default on debian is still NFS
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| 13:30 | <yanu> and what is the best, nfs or nbd?
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| 13:32 | * vagrantc_ doesn't believe in best | |
| 13:32 | <johnny> i modded the init scripts in the initscripts directory for my own usage, but i can't tell how i'm supposed to handle /var/run/drives, it doesn't seem to be listed in bind_mounts()
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| 13:32 | <vagrantc_> they both have advantages and disadvantages, so it totally depends on what you want.
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| 13:33 | johnny: no need to handle it if /var/run is mounted read-write.
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| 13:36 | <yanu> ok, but it could be , that nbd is technicly better ...
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| 13:36 | got to go
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| 13:36 | <johnny> vagrantc_, where is that supposed to happpen?
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| 13:36 | * vagrantc_ will finish uploads before doing anything else. | |
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| 14:00 | <vagrantc_> grrrrr.
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| 14:00 | * vagrantc_ forgot to modify po/LINGUAS when adding another language | |
| 14:08 | <johnny> i think i found a bug in ubuntu's default lts conf file
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| 14:09 | or in getltscfg itself
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| 14:09 | <johnny> aha.. you use your own
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| 14:09 | so you don't notice the bug
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| 14:10 | getltscfg will fail to parse an lts.conf file that is empty
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| 14:10 | as in.. empty with no [default]
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| 14:16 | <johnny> ogra_cmpc, you around?
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| 14:26 | <t1> hi everyone!!!!
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| 14:28 | <t1> i need the lts.conf file to work with 20 clients without hd and with 256m rma and local_apps enabled on ltsp5
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| 14:29 | my OS is kubuntu 7.10
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| 14:31 | <t1> any helpme
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| 14:34 | <johnny> rephrase your question
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| 14:35 | <t1> ok. my server is 3gb ram 120g hd with ltsp5 server. i have 20 clients but the clients are slow
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| 14:35 | <johnny> aha :)
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| 14:36 | <t1> my os is kubuntu 7.10. Do you understand portuguese?
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| 14:36 | <johnny> the local apps stuff is not well developed
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| 14:36 | no i don't
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| 14:36 | <t1> why clients are slow
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| 14:36 | <johnny> there is going to be work on that soon
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| 14:36 | what kinda network card?
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| 14:36 | <t1> the clients have 256mb ram
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| 14:36 | <johnny> and have you ran top on your server to see what is happening?
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| 14:36 | <t1> on board asus
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| 14:37 | <johnny> you should check to see where your bottleneck is
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| 14:37 | <t1> my cpu load is 83.333% in server
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| 14:37 | <johnny> ram?
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| 14:37 | how much memory is being used
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| 14:38 | <t1> 1.139.518 kb
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| 14:38 | with 6 clients on
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| 14:40 | <johnny> now imagine how that would be with 20..
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| 14:41 | <t1> its the problem
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| 14:42 | i'm need the lts.conf file customized
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| 14:44 | <laga> for what?
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| 14:44 | <johnny> well look at file lts-parameters.txt in your client chroot
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| 14:44 | <johnny> but.. i don't think it'll do much good for your situation
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| 14:44 | local apps requires more than that atm
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| 14:44 | <t1> ok tks
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| 16:17 | <johnny> vagrantc, i looked at your packaging branch, is there a reason you don't copy over ltsp_client for initramfs?
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| 16:39 | <vagrantc> johnny: other than that hook never once worked, no reason really. :)
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| 16:40 | johnny: we should probably remove it entirely.
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| 16:40 | <johnny> ok
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| 16:41 | <johnny> there are a few cleanups that would be nice in the src tree i can see
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| 16:41 | like that ltsp sound file in the root
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| 16:41 | and perhaps moving the man files into doc/man
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| 16:42 | <vagrantc> there are a million changes, but i will do them after i'm done uploading :)
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| 16:42 | <johnny> how's that going?
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| 16:43 | <vagrantc> keep making mistakes with the nb.po
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| 16:43 | well, some of the mistakes were the translators...
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| 16:43 | but we've given them very poor strings to work with
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| 16:43 | <johnny> i found an initramfs-tools ebuild
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| 17:47 | <vagrantc> ldm tagged and pushing.
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| 17:47 | <johnny> so what next? :)
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| 17:48 | <vagrantc> well, in 3 hours i get on a 4 hour bus to madrid ... and then hopefully get some sleep.
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| 17:48 | <johnny> and until then?
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| 17:48 | <jammcq> vagrantc: how are you doing with the language?
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| 17:49 | <vagrantc> jammcq: too many english and german speakers around to really make much progress. but it's still good to get a little bit of a refresher.
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| 17:49 | <vagrantc> well, i think i'm the only native english speaker in the group ...
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| 17:49 | but still, the lingua franca is english
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| 17:50 | <jammcq> I'm heading to brazil on the 15th. gonna make a real attempt to pick up more of the language this time
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| 17:50 | <vagrantc> "the language of the french is english"
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| 17:50 | jammcq: ah, portuguese sounds like spanish with a french accent to me.
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| 17:50 | <jammcq> it's all greek to me
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| 17:50 | <cliebow> heeheeh
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| 17:51 | <vagrantc> heh. that reminds me... mediterranean food means nothing to countries bordering the mediterranean.
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| 17:51 | <jammcq> heh
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| 17:54 | <vagrantc> so now the ldm UI is translated into german, spanish, basque, (partial) french, hungarian, norwegian bokmal, and sweedish.
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| 17:54 | that's probably my biggest accomplishment, though most of the work was others... i just tested that it didn't obviously break anything.
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| 17:55 | <stgraber> vagrantc: how partial is the french translation ?
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| 17:56 | <vagrantc> stgraber: as long as they don't click on any buttons, it's fine. there's someone working on updating it...
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| 17:57 | http://lists.debian.org/debian-l10n-french/2008/04/msg00016.html
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| 17:58 | <stgraber> ok
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| 17:58 | <vagrantc> the debian french team tends to do a lot of peer review, but i'm guessing in the next week i'll be able to upload it
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| 17:58 | the whole is 40 strings, i think.
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| 18:01 | <stgraber> good you have reactive french translators, in case you need fast translation (but probably not following all their policies though) just ping me :)
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| 18:03 | <vagrantc> good to know :)
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