IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 16 September 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:05 | <hipy> hi, does sombody know a way to connect to ltsp without the need of dhcp ( so i can turn that off )
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| 01:21 | Like a little ts client mini o
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| 01:24 | <moldy> hipy: afaik, netbooting does not work w/o dhcp. why do you want to turn dhcp off?
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| 01:30 | <hipy> well i cant have 2 dhcp servers in my network( my router )
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| 01:30 | But i am searching for thin client software
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| 01:31 | you know a little program that can run on an old pc that lets you connect
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| 01:32 | I want to use it instead of pxe network boot
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| 01:33 | It does exists but where :<
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| 01:40 | <johnny> then it's not ltsp
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| 01:42 | <hipy> I need the software that connects to ltsp
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| 01:42 | like a mini operating system that was build for connecting to ltsp
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| 01:43 | <sep> ltsp is a mini operating system that networks boot a machine so you can connect to a X server.
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| 01:43 | X client realty but bah
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| 01:45 | hipy, and instead of breaking network boot. you fix one of the dhcp servers to network boot clients. that is usualy pretty easy
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| 01:45 | <hipy> Well sep i cant turn off my routers dhcp server
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| 01:45 | and i cant network vboot withouth dhcp from the ubuntu server
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| 01:45 | <sep> why not ?
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| 01:45 | <hipy> So i was thinking a thinclient os on an older pc( i saw it earlier ) that can connect to a ts
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| 01:46 | <sep> there is a os called thinstation. but seriously you should fix your dhcp problem instead it's so much smoother.
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| 01:46 | why can't you turn of the dhcp in the router ?
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| 01:47 | <hipy> then pcs dont get an ip anymore
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| 01:47 | <sep> you do that in the ubuntu dhcp server
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| 01:47 | just configure it correctly
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| 01:47 | <hipy> ye but that is a test server wich isnt 24/7 om
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| 01:47 | <sep> hipy, then you put that on it's own dedicated test network
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| 01:47 | <hipy> but i gtg
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| 01:47 | <sep> so you do not mess with the other
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| 01:47 | <hipy> alkisg: sorry from yesterday.
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| 01:47 | ye with a switch
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| 01:48 | but gtg no
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| 01:48 | bye! and thanks
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| 01:48 | <alkisg> hipy: thanks
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| 02:35 | <ftherese> Hello, I'm still stuck on a usb printer issue. I've set up the lts.conf file and upgraded to the latest ppa stuff
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| 02:35 | <ftherese> The response is that the printer is eternally busy.
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| 02:35 | Telnet 9100 yeilds a connection refused.
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| 02:36 | jetpipe still appears not to be installed
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| 02:36 | <ftherese> but /dev/usblp0 does show up in the client's local dev list
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| 02:38 | cups yeilds no errors through the set up process, but the test page does not print because the printer is "busy"
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| 02:38 | I am not really sure what the printer is doing, it looks pretty relaxed to me, busy does not seem to be the right qualifier for it's general disposition
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| 02:39 | I sometimes feel like I am blogging when there is no one to respond to my questions
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| 02:40 | It is like I am having a conversation with myself, and perhaps somebody will accidently stumble upon what I've written
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| 02:40 | It is like a diary that might suddenly talk back to you, or respond, but you never know
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| 02:41 | <alkisg> Yup, typical #ltsp "mornings" :)
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| 02:49 | <ftherese> ak! it's alive!!
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| 03:37 | <elias_a> Could someone help me out in debugging a bootup process of a piece of old hardware.
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| 03:38 | The bootup freezes.
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| 03:49 | Which logs should I check?
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| 04:26 | <ftherese> I'm still having usb printer issues... is anyone available to troubleshoot this issue?
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| 04:26 | I've set up the lts.conf file and upgraded to the latest ppa stuff
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| 04:26 | The response is that the printer is eternally busy.
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| 04:27 | Telnet 9100 yeilds a connection refused.
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| 04:27 | jetpipe still appears not to be installed
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| 04:27 | but /dev/usblp0 does show up in the client's local dev list
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| 04:32 | ok /usr/sbin/jetpipe exists, but when I run it, i get "serial module does not exist"
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| 04:32 | <ogra> install python-serial in the chroot and try again
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| 04:33 | <ogra> (and run ltsp-update-image indeed)
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| 04:33 | <ftherese> ok... thank you
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| 04:35 | I am also having left over proxy variable settings... where does a proxy server get universally set? I cleared it out of .bashrc, is it somewhere in etc?
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| 05:07 | <Briareos1> we're trying to send a popup to all users of the ltsp ("xmessage Test -display :0 &"), but the popup doesn't show up
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| 05:08 | while the process "xmessage" persists
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| 05:08 | i guess we are sending to the wrong display?
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| 05:09 | <cyberorg> Briareos1, use italc
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| 05:11 | <Briareos1> cyberorg uh that's evil :)
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| 05:12 | but very handy
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| 05:51 | <ftherese> Yeah! Finally usb local printing works
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| 06:40 | <zamba> i'm trying to log in to a thin client, but getting the following error: http://pastebin.com/mf12c450
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| 06:40 | the password is accepted, but i'm then returned to the login screen
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| 06:41 | <alkisg> zamba, get to a local terminal in the client, and try this: ssh -l zamba server
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| 06:41 | change zamba with an existing user - leave "server" as it is
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| 06:41 | zamba: to get a local terminal, put SCREEN_02=shell and SCREEN_07=ldm in lts.conf
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| 06:43 | <zamba> alkisg: you basically mean i should open a console and then try logging in to the server?
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| 06:43 | <alkisg> zamba: yes, but a *local* console
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| 06:44 | <zamba> ctrl + alt + f1 for instance?
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| 06:44 | <alkisg> yes
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| 06:45 | <zamba> logs in just fine
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| 06:46 | and it works fine with ssh -X from another machine
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| 06:47 | <alkisg> Not from other machines, try from vt1. So it worked with no prompts about changed keys/authentication etc?
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| 06:47 | <zamba> i've tried from vt
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| 06:47 | vt1
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| 06:47 | works fine
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| 06:48 | <alkisg> If you switch to vt7 now (to ldm) and try with the same user, it doesn't work?
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| 06:48 | <zamba> i log in no problem
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| 06:48 | did you see my pastebin?
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| 06:48 | <alkisg> Yes but that was about nbd errors, it shouldn't be related to logon...
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| 06:48 | <zamba> it accepts the password (meaning it turns to a black screen) but then just falls back to the login again
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| 06:48 | yeah, but it accepts the password
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| 06:49 | Sep 16 13:48:00 thinny sshd[12331]: Accepted password for marius from 192.168.1.237 port 53686 ssh2
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| 06:49 | that was the ldm login
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| 06:50 | <alkisg> So you're having nbd errors after the ldm login?!!! Weird...
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| 06:50 | What do you have in that users' ~/.xsession-errors file?
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| 06:51 | <zamba> oh! no session manager ;)
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| 06:51 | <alkisg> Heh
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| 06:51 | Also, I don't think that was ldm you were seeing, but ldminfod.
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| 06:51 | <zamba> that's what you get from installing from ubuntu server ;)
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| 06:52 | <alkisg> Heh... the alternate cd is best fitted for ltsp
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| 06:53 | <zamba> gnome-desktop-environment
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| 06:53 | i guess that package fixes everything?
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| 06:53 | <alkisg> I think it's ubuntu-desktop, but I've never done that.
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| 06:55 | * alkisg wonders what sends nbd disconnect requests after the initial client booting... "thinny nbd_server[12022]: Disconnect request received." | |
| 06:55 | <zamba> probably the client?
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| 06:58 | <alkisg> I don't think it should :-/
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| 06:58 | I think it only sends one disconnect when it boots, not every time a user logs on/off...
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| 07:41 | <zamba> alkisg: got it running now
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| 07:42 | <alkisg> Nice! Was it ubuntu-desktop?
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| 07:43 | <zamba> gnome-desktop-environment
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| 07:43 | that fixed it
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| 07:43 | <alkisg> Well done :)
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| 07:43 | <zamba> hehe, thank you :)
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| 07:44 | but i still have that problem with sound
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| 07:44 | pulseaudio dies
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| 07:45 | i have sound for the first minute or so, but it then crashes
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| 07:47 | and then i have to completely reboot the box to get it back
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| 07:48 | <alkisg> I think I heard someone here complaining for that for some days, but I don't know anything else about it
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| 07:51 | <zamba> i think that was me :)
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| 07:52 | <alkisg> Heh, maybe :)
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| 08:48 | <_UsUrPeR_> morning all! :D
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| 08:49 | <zamba> anyone running a ltsp server as a xen domU? i'm starting to wonder if that's the problem with my sound
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| 08:49 | i can play sound for a short while, and then it just dies
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| 08:49 | pulseaudio crashes
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| 08:49 | have tried with two different computer specs as thin client now
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| 08:50 | <_UsUrPeR_> zamba: never tried with xen
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| 08:51 | <zamba> how can i bring up a local terminal?
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| 08:51 | <_UsUrPeR_> shawnp0wers: your ltsp servers are hosted on a vmware platform right?
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| 08:52 | <shawnp0wers> Um... sorta
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| 08:52 | I panicked at the last minute, and put one of my old ones up
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| 08:52 | so about 2/3 are on ESXi
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| 08:52 | and I have one on bare metal
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| 08:52 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok
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| 08:52 | <shawnp0wers> _UsUrPeR_: are you coming to OLF too?
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| 08:53 | <_UsUrPeR_> no, I have drill this weekend
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| 08:54 | <shawnp0wers> ahh -- but it's next weekend
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| 08:54 | :)
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| 08:54 | this weekend is when I"m flying out to Portland for LinuxCon
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| 08:54 | <cyberorg> LTSP on hybrid image http://u.nu/64w83 run from DVD or USB stick :)
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| 08:55 | <shawnp0wers> (just curious, I'm not sure how much I'm going to touch on the remote control program, whose name I completely forget now, since I haven't used it in production)
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| 08:55 | <_UsUrPeR_> oh!
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| 08:55 | next weekend I'm on orders to fly to South carolina
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| 08:55 | :/
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| 08:55 | <shawnp0wers> if you were there, I was going to prod you for real-world experience
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| 08:55 | I see. :(
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| 08:55 | Alex is bringing a server and thin clients though
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| 08:56 | which is cool
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| 08:56 | hard to manage that with carry-on luggage
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| 08:56 | :D
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| 08:56 | <_UsUrPeR_> I think he'll be driving, so everything should be alright
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| 08:56 | <shawnp0wers> Also, for the record, being a person that flies around the country still makes me feel more grown up than I really am... just sayin
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| 08:56 | :)
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| 08:58 | * ogra hands shawnp0wers http://www.frankelcostume.com/Beards-Mustaches-C93.aspx | |
| 08:58 | <_UsUrPeR_> shawnp0wers: something like this? http://xkcd.com/616/
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| 08:58 | <jammcq> g'morning friends
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| 08:58 | <_UsUrPeR_> hey jammcq
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| 08:59 | <shawnp0wers> _UsUrPeR_: LOL!!! Yes!
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| 08:59 | ogra: ahh yes, dressing up in a costume will make me feel more grown up. :D
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| 08:59 | * shawnp0wers "good mornings" jammcq | |
| 09:00 | <ogra> wearing a fake beard will at least make you look older :)
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| 09:00 | <shawnp0wers> or like a terrorist... I am flying you remember
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| 09:00 | <jammcq> shawnp0wers: you coming to BTS ?
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| 09:00 | <shawnp0wers> Sadly no. But I'm teaching LTSP at Ohio Linux Fest...
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| 09:01 | <jammcq> oooh
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| 09:01 | cool
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| 09:01 | * ogra suggests the '18" Grey oldtimer' model :) | |
| 09:01 | <shawnp0wers> and the disklessworkstation guys are driving down to bring hardware
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| 09:01 | so it should be awesome
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| 09:01 | <jammcq> ogra: eharrison is joining us at BTS :)
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| 09:01 | <shawnp0wers> (I'll only have carryon, flying in directly from LinuxCon)
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| 09:01 | <ogra> jammcq, !!!!!
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| 09:01 | \o/
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| 09:01 | <shawnp0wers> awe man, I'd like to see Eric again
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| 09:02 | <cyberorg> jammcq, you missed this - LTSP on hybrid image http://u.nu/64w83 run from DVD or USB stick :)
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| 09:02 | <ogra> wonderful
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| 09:02 | <jammcq> cyberorg: coool
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| 09:02 | <shawnp0wers> Met him last year at... somewhere. Maybe OSON
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| 09:02 | er, oscon
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| 09:02 | <_UsUrPeR_> shawnp0wers: I thought erick was coming down
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| 09:02 | DO NOT QUOTE ME ON THAT
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| 09:02 | someone's gotta set up the display though
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| 09:03 | <shawnp0wers> while I have all you smart people here -- any thoughts on points new LTSPers struggle with?
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| 09:03 | I'm teaching folks that are linux admins, but not LTSP users
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| 09:03 | _UsUrPeR_: Yeah, Alex said someone was coming down with him, but didn't say who
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| 09:03 | <ogra> understanding the concept of hardware vs sessions is often hard
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| 09:03 | <shawnp0wers> also, your name is a PITA to type
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| 09:03 | :)
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| 09:03 | <_UsUrPeR_> humm.... I would say the concept of the image/chroot
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| 09:04 | and the way it relates to the server.
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| 09:05 | also: localapps installation and use. The benefits need to be trumpeted from the rooftops.
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| 09:05 | <shawnp0wers> Ok cool, I was hoping to focus on local apps a lot
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| 09:05 | <ogra> but also the drawbacks :)
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| 09:06 | <shawnp0wers> ogra: do share, please...
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| 09:06 | I won't have the benefits of using LTSP5 full scale before teaching
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| 09:06 | <ogra> gconf isnt really happy with localapps
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| 09:06 | <shawnp0wers> (my plan was to have students using it day 1, but that didn't happen)
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| 09:06 | <ogra> by default you dotn have filesystem access in the open dialogs beyond your homedir
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| 09:06 | <_UsUrPeR_> ogra/shawnp0wers: don't forget the strange foibles of installing firefox as a localapp and the NAT requirements via the server
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| 09:07 | <ogra> right
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| 09:07 | <shawnp0wers> although, with forced proxies, that shouldn't be an issue, right?
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| 09:07 | <ogra> but that means the users need to understand the image vs session concept first
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| 09:07 | <shawnp0wers> oh wait
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| 09:07 | <ogra> and why NAT is necessary
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| 09:07 | <shawnp0wers> see, I run single NIC
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| 09:07 | <ogra> and how localapps breaks the original concept
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| 09:07 | <shawnp0wers> right, teaching concepts will have to be the first part
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| 09:08 | <_UsUrPeR_> yes
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| 09:08 | <shawnp0wers> and hwo that relates to single NIC versus dual NIC installs
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| 09:08 | because for me, the nat issue should be moot
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| 09:09 | <_UsUrPeR_> not too many installs start with single NIC
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| 09:09 | <shawnp0wers> dang, not my brain is hurting... load balancing (whatever method) will depend greatly on single NIC versus dual as well
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| 09:09 | right, but if I talk about load balancing -- at that point we've moved to the single NIC realm, correct?
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| 09:09 | <_UsUrPeR_> load balancing is not that difficult really. single or dual nic are both possible
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| 09:10 | it just depends on the DHCP assignment from the cluster server
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| 09:10 | (I am working with ltsp-cluster right now)
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| 09:10 | <shawnp0wers> one of my chores this week is to hack together a script to sync my lts.conf files
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| 09:10 | <_UsUrPeR_> finally got it working
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| 09:10 | <shawnp0wers> dual nic load balancing would have to be with master/slave dhcp servers though, correct?
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| 09:11 | <_UsUrPeR_> shawnp0wers: using the ltsp-cluster method, the only DHCP server is on the cluster root server
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| 09:11 | <shawnp0wers> I don't think I'll get into ltsp-clustering
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| 09:11 | espeically since I've never even attempted anythign like that
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| 09:11 | lol
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| 09:12 | but LDM load balancing won't work with dual nic setups on multiple servers, will it?
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| 09:12 | unless just the mainserver runs dhcp
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| 09:12 | and serves tftp
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| 09:12 | <_UsUrPeR_> this is my first foray into load balancing. I couldn't tell you, to be honest
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| 09:12 | <shawnp0wers> yeah, I'm just manually load balancing now, hard coding my dhcpd.conf file
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| 09:12 | (pathetic yes, but it works, and I"m a busy man, lol)
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| 09:13 | BUT, that's part of why I'm teaching
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| 09:13 | <_UsUrPeR_> :D
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| 09:13 | <shawnp0wers> ie, sometimes just doing it the hard way is easier
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| 09:13 | lol
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| 09:13 | whatisthat program that repalces fl_teachertool
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| 09:13 | I forget its name
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| 09:13 | <ogra> iTalc
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| 09:14 | <shawnp0wers> ahh, yes, thank you
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| 09:14 | crap, brb
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| 09:17 | <zamba> ogra: do you have any idea what could cause the pulseaudio daemon to crash?
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| 09:18 | <nivelpp> hi , i have one question abou ltsp , is it possible have nat between ltsp aplication server and thin clients ? example : LTSPserver->network->NAT->thin clients , of course dhcp server will be on dhe nat and will be correctly configured to pxeboot with option next-server .... thanks for answer ( i cant find it with google)
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| 09:24 | <alkisg> nivelpp: I succesfully booted vbox clients in the nat vbox network
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| 09:25 | <nivelpp> alkisg: thanks , and there are no problems for example with sound etc. ?
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| 09:25 | <alkisg> I was hearing sound, but, as it was vbox, I'm not 100% sure if I heard it from the server or the client :)
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| 09:26 | (the server was the same machine where the vbox clients ran)
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| 09:27 | <nivelpp> alkisg: thanks for the info :)
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| 09:27 | <alkisg> yw
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| 09:27 | <nivelpp> i will try it
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| 09:28 | <alkisg> ogra, do you think I'd have any chance in suggesting that a "Boot from network" option was put in the ubuntu desktop CDs? (which would just load gpxe.krn as the kernel, really simple implementation...)
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| 09:29 | Like the memtest option, but more useful :)
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| 09:29 | <ogra> alkisg, sure, as a spec for karmic+1
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| 09:29 | zamba, sorry, no
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| 09:30 | <alkisg> ogra, thanks, I'll try to mimic an existing spec 'cause I haven't written anything similar :)
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| 09:30 | <shawnp0wers> back in my day we just made etherboot floppies. And we liked it. lol!
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| 09:31 | * _UsUrPeR_ shudders | |
| 09:31 | <alkisg> Yes, gpxe is the newer version of etherboot. Wouldn't it be handy to have it embedded in the ubuntu desktop cd?
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| 09:31 | It's only 250k...
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| 09:31 | <shawnp0wers> I was just teasing, alkisg. :)
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| 09:31 | <alkisg> Ok, sorry :)
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| 09:32 | <shawnp0wers> although, truth be told, last year I replaced my last desktop in which I pushed the floppy drive back into the case, and it booted from an etherboot disk.
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| 09:32 | <alkisg> Lucky people with new pcs :( :D
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| 09:34 | <shawnp0wers> I do still have a bunch of computers with the etherboot code written to their hard drive boot sectors (didn't support PXE booting)
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| 09:35 | * shawnp0wers begins to realize how well LTSP "just works" in that he hasn't had a need to change from his old ways in so many years... | |
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| 09:41 | <hipy> i dont want the dhcp, if i just do /etc/inet.d/dhcp3-server stop
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| 09:41 | will ltsp keep working( i dont neet network boot )
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| 09:42 | <ogra> how do you mean ?
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| 09:42 | ltsp is all about network boot
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| 09:55 | <hipy> Ye but i mean withouth pxer
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| 09:55 | pxe
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| 09:55 | Btw i have download the thinstation2.2 in there is a folder /boot-images/iso/
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| 09:55 | only in the iso folder is only a source folder
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| 09:55 | and not a .iso file
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| 09:55 | Do i have to make an image of the source?
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| 09:55 | <ogra> what is thinstation2.2 ?
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| 09:56 | <hipy> o wait lol im asking it wrong
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| 09:56 | its a thinclient software
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| 09:56 | meh
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| 09:56 | <ogra> sounds like something you install locally on the client
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| 09:56 | <hipy> You can use it to transform a normal pc to a thin client
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| 09:57 | indeed. Or you do it on usb cd etc
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| 09:57 | <ogra> which makes me wonder why you use ltsp at all
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| 09:57 | since the only purpose of ltsp is to netboot clients
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| 09:58 | <hipy> erm
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| 09:58 | <ogra> if your system boots from any local media you dont need ltsp at all
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| 09:58 | especially since ltsp is pretty useless without ldm
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| 09:58 | which you wont have on that media
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| 09:58 | <hipy> erm you can use it to make an realy old pc ( to old for like xp etc ) boot to the thin client software wich connects to the terminal server
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| 09:58 | :)
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| 10:00 | <ogra> well, but what for do you use ltsp then ?
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| 10:00 | it wont have LDM on the client side
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| 10:00 | <hipy> To make it all run on a ts
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| 10:00 | erm
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| 10:01 | ldm = login screen right?
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| 10:01 | <ogra> login screen that uses the special setup of the ssh protocol ltsp uses ...
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| 10:01 | <hipy> I can make an old pc connect via thinclient software connect to the terminal server( for example a global system for accounts )
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| 10:01 | <ogra> without ldm you dont need ltsp installed
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| 10:01 | <hipy> so i actually transform a pc to a thinclient
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| 10:01 | :)
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| 10:01 | <ogra> right, what for do you install ltsp ?
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| 10:02 | <hipy> erm?
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| 10:02 | <ogra> it doesnt offer you anything
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| 10:02 | <hipy> It does?
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| 10:02 | <ogra> what
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| 10:02 | <hipy> the thinclient conencts to the terminal server
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| 10:02 | so there are yuyr files ont he terminal server, if yuo then like switch pc
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| 10:02 | <ogra> not through the protocol ltsp uses
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| 10:02 | <hipy> you connect again
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| 10:02 | It does?
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| 10:02 | You have an account on the server
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| 10:02 | <ogra> nope
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| 10:02 | <hipy> why else is it called terminal server then .....
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| 10:02 | <ogra> ltsp offers a special setup that only ldm can use
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| 10:02 | <ogra> and offers a setup that makes clients netboot
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| 10:03 | <hipy> ye but i get the ldm screen when i connect with the thinclient software
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| 10:03 | <ogra> thats all ltsp does
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| 10:03 | <hipy> ye and you have an account on the server( user account )
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| 10:03 | <ogra> you dont use either with your thinstation stuff
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| 10:03 | <hipy> and if you save something there its saved on the server
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| 10:03 | ...
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| 10:03 | you dont understand
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| 10:05 | <ogra> i wrote most of ltsp, i surely do understand :)
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| 10:05 | thinstation uses XDMCP and connects to the X server on the server machine
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| 10:05 | you dont need to use ltsp for anything of that
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| 10:06 | <hipy> Then tell me how i can connect to an ltsp server without using pxe
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| 10:06 | <ogra> you cant without developing your owen solution
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| 10:06 | but thats not the point
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| 10:07 | what you are doing there doesnt make any use of ltsp anywhere
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| 10:07 | <hipy> seriously you then cant call it a termianl server
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| 10:07 | I do?
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| 10:07 | <ogra> it just uses XDMCP
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| 10:07 | <hipy> so why is ltsp developed tjen
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| 10:07 | for network boot?
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| 10:07 | i read many times that you can use thinclient to connect to the terminal server
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| 10:07 | <ogra> right
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| 10:07 | <shawnp0wers> thin client "means" network boot
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| 10:08 | (sorry to butt in)
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| 10:08 | <hipy> ok i dont get it anymore
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| 10:08 | <ogra> ltsp is used for network boot, it boots a special image that has integration of local devioces and recently local applications on the client through ldm
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| 10:08 | <hipy> if thinclients just connect to that server
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| 10:08 | why whas a terminal server made
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| 10:08 | o0 o0 o0
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| 10:08 | <ogra> your solution doesnt use anything from this
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| 10:08 | <shawnp0wers> if a thin client boots locally, it's not a thin client
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| 10:08 | <ogra> it simply boots up X and offers you an XDMCP login
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| 10:08 | <hipy> It boots locally so you can connect to it
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| 10:09 | <ogra> you dont need to isntall any ltsp parts to achieve that
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| 10:09 | <hipy> so you mean my thinclient software isnt connected to the ubuntu server at all
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| 10:09 | <ogra> every X server in the world already offers that
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| 10:09 | it is cobnnected to the ubuntu server but doesnt use any bits of ltsp for this
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| 10:09 | <shawnp0wers> a "thick" client if you will
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| 10:09 | <ogra> all you use there is simple graphical forwarding
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| 10:09 | no ltsp involved in that
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| 10:09 | <hipy> so ltsp is purly made to connect via pxe to the server
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| 10:09 | o0
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| 10:10 | <shawnp0wers> you can use VNC as well
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| 10:10 | <ogra> so you can happily remove ltsp from the server
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| 10:10 | <shawnp0wers> :)
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| 10:10 | <hipy> I want a terminal server :p
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| 10:10 | <ogra> and what you have there will still work
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| 10:11 | <hipy> and i was searching for a way where pxe isnt involved( due to dhcp server of my router and no it isnt a option to put dhcp off in my router :P )
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| 10:11 | Ogra would that withouth ltsp still elt you connect multiple clients
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| 10:11 | <shawnp0wers> if your router will allow the "next-server" option, you can use it
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| 10:12 | <ogra> hipy, yes, read up about XDMCP
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| 10:12 | <hipy> first i need to get this to work
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| 10:12 | i donwload a file and still it doenst want to work
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| 10:12 | <johnny> you can use dhcp on your router hipy , as long as it lets you set the boot filename for ltsp
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| 10:13 | dhcp doesnt *have* to be on the same server
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| 10:13 | <hipy> but you cant config a router to do that
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| 10:13 | P:
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| 10:13 | <shawnp0wers> what router?
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| 10:13 | many can
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| 10:13 | <johnny> you mean.. you can't configure *your* router :)
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| 10:13 | <_UsUrPeR_> hipy: could you detail to us what you are trying to accomplish? Were you looking for a media player run off another server, or a simple way to connect to your windows box or something?
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| 10:14 | <ogra> johnny, http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology/2009/08/28/sharp-netwalker-the-future-of-netbooks-115875-21631914/ ;)
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| 10:15 | <sbalneav> hipy: Did you read the documentation link I provided to you yesterday?
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| 10:15 | <hipy> _UsUrPeR_ I am searching for a way to transform an old pc into something that connects to the ts
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| 10:15 | <sbalneav> hipy: It fairly clearly lays out what LTSP provides, and how a thin client works
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| 10:16 | <hipy> And a requirment: the ltsp server may not give out pcs and must have an ip in the range of my network
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| 10:16 | <_UsUrPeR_> hipy: to what end?
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| 10:16 | <johnny> ogra, finally going in the right direction :) smaller :)
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| 10:16 | <ogra> pocket ! :)
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| 10:17 | <johnny> well.. i don't need a pocket sized netbook.. i'll use a phone for that.. it's just got to be small enough to fit in in small bags
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| 10:17 | <shawnp0wers> johnny: get a bigger bag? :D
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| 10:17 | <johnny> hehe
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| 10:17 | * shawnp0wers confesses to owning 3 netbooks of his own | |
| 10:17 | <johnny> i'd just put a regular sized laptop in that.. which i still need
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| 10:18 | for coding
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| 10:18 | <hipy> _UsUrPeR_ what do you mean?
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| 10:18 | <_UsUrPeR_> hipy: so you have connected an old computer to your ltsp server. Now what?
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| 10:18 | hipy: say you have everything working like you want it to. What do you do with it?
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| 10:19 | <hipy> No i do not have yet _UsUrPeR_ , I want to connect an old pc to ltsp server. but the ltsp server is in conflict with the entire network
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| 10:20 | im searchinf for a solution to not have dhcp running on the ubuntu ltsp server and still be able to connect the pc( via thinclient software? )
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| 10:20 | <shawnp0wers> hipy: are you using a 2 NIC setup? That isolates the thin client part from the rest of the network...
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| 10:20 | <_UsUrPeR_> hipy: yeah, does your server have 2 NICs?
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| 10:20 | <hipy> What is an nic?
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| 10:20 | <ogra> or you can use an existing dhcp server and just set it up properly :)
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| 10:20 | <sbalneav> hipy: You will either need to have the LTSP server handle dhcp and tftp in order to make LTSP work, or alternativey, modify whatever DHCP server you DO wish to use to provide the correct info that a thin client needs
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| 10:20 | hipy: Network card
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| 10:21 | <ogra> NIC = network interface card
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| 10:21 | <hipy> Yes that server has 2 network cards
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| 10:21 | <sbalneav> Network Interface Controller
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| 10:21 | <ogra> ah, right, controller
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| 10:21 | <sbalneav> hipy: I urge you to read through the docs:
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| 10:21 | !docs
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| 10:21 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 10:21 | <sbalneav> ^^
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| 10:21 | <shawnp0wers> yes -- dhcp can run on the internal NIC only
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| 10:21 | <hipy> But the problem is. If a pc starts. and it needs an ip it send out a dhcp request for an ip and gateway etc the dhcp server of the router responds
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| 10:21 | <sbalneav> A lot of what you're asking's explained in there.
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| 10:22 | <hipy> AND the dhcp of the ubuntu responds 2
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| 10:22 | <_UsUrPeR_> hipy: it does not need an IP to start.
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| 10:22 | a DHCP request goes out via broadcast
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| 10:22 | <shawnp0wers> um... both nics are not supposed to be plugged into the same switch
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| 10:22 | * _UsUrPeR_ jumps out the window again | |
| 10:22 | <shawnp0wers> ROUTER ----- LTSP_SERVER ------ Thin_Client
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| 10:23 | <hipy> _UsUrPeR_ for the server or the server
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| 10:23 | shawnp0wers so i should connect my pc i wanto pxe boot right away into the client?
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| 10:23 | er server
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| 10:23 | Wait that can explain something
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| 10:24 | :P
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| 10:24 | or niot
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| 10:24 | <hipy> Ok wait i give a situation
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| 10:24 | You have 2pcs: 1 boots to windoows and needs an ip from the router to get on the network to internet etc. AND 1pc starts network booting and the pxe sends out an dhcp request for ip + the package that needs to be retrieved.
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| 10:25 | <shawnp0wers> it should look like this, with the "Internet" being your router... http://ltsp.org/images/ltsp_diagram.gif
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| 10:25 | <hipy> Will then the gooting pc to windows get an ip from the router OR the ubuntu server
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| 10:25 | Since if the ubuntu server gives an ip to the windows pc it screws up the bnetwork
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| 10:25 | <shawnp0wers> the LTSP server is in between the thin clients and your router
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| 10:25 | <hipy> Ah
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| 10:25 | So the dhcp server in the ubuntu server is isolated from the rest?
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| 10:25 | <shawnp0wers> yes
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| 10:26 | it only goes onto the "thin client" side
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| 10:26 | ie, only served from the one NIC
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| 10:27 | <hipy> hmm that still doesnt explain why my ubuntu server then doesnt have an ip that fits to the range of the lan network here.
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| 10:27 | it had 192.168.0.254
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| 10:27 | but the range in my network is 192.168.1.*
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| 10:27 | <shawnp0wers> um, I don't remember what the default range of the LTSP server's DHCP server is
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| 10:27 | <hipy> Can you change it
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| 10:27 | <shawnp0wers> you'll want it to be different from your home setup
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| 10:28 | <hipy> No it must be the same
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| 10:28 | it now has 192.168.0.*
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| 10:28 | <shawnp0wers> ie, they can't server 192.168.1.* from both ports
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| 10:28 | no, it really doesn't
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| 10:28 | see
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| 10:28 | <hipy> ?
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| 10:28 | <shawnp0wers> the thin clients don't route through your router
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| 10:28 | they route through the LTSP server
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| 10:28 | <hipy> As long as the thinclient can visit websites
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| 10:28 | Aaaaaaaaah
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| 10:28 | now i get it
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| 10:28 | But what port do i have to use to plugin thin clients and what for the internet
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| 10:28 | * shawnp0wers gives hipy a virtual high five | |
| 10:28 | <shawnp0wers> :)
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| 10:28 | <_UsUrPeR_> it creates a second network specifically for the LTSP clients
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| 10:28 | * hipy dances | |
| 10:28 | <hipy> Yes
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| 10:29 | <_UsUrPeR_> about the port: that depends on your hardware
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| 10:29 | <hipy> ok wait ima reinstall ubuntu again since i screwd up last time
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| 10:29 | <shawnp0wers> you do need to figure out which network card the server thinks is eth0 and which is eth1
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| 10:29 | <hipy> Ye i got eth0 and eth1
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| 10:29 | yes
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| 10:29 | but wich 1 needs to be internett
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| 10:29 | <shawnp0wers> and sometimes it's just "guess" and if it works good, if not switch 'em
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| 10:29 | :)
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| 10:29 | <hipy> and wich 1 needs to be thin client
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| 10:29 | <_UsUrPeR_> k, well eth1 is typically used to serve ltsp
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| 10:29 | <hipy> ok
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| 10:29 | ok
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| 10:29 | Thanks guys
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| 10:29 | that exp,kains a lot
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| 10:29 | <shawnp0wers> good luck!
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| 10:30 | <hipy> i whas thinking that it would run into major problems crashing my whole network due to 2 dhcp servers
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| 10:30 | :p
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| 10:30 | <shawnp0wers> and if you're in Columbus on the 26th, I'll be teaching an LTSP class, feel fee to come. :)
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| 10:30 | <hipy> columbus
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| 10:30 | where is that
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| 10:30 | <shawnp0wers> Ohio
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| 10:30 | <hipy> Lol if you pay the ticket
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| 10:30 | :p
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| 10:30 | <shawnp0wers> heheheh
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| 10:31 | <_UsUrPeR_> hipy: where are you, anyway?
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| 10:31 | <hipy> netherlands
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| 10:31 | :)
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| 10:31 | <ogra> netherlands
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| 10:31 | <hipy> how late is it at you
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| 10:31 | its here 17:31
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| 10:31 | :P
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| 10:32 | <_UsUrPeR_> it's 11:30 on the East Coast (USA, Michigan, Detroit)
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| 10:32 | <shawnp0wers> hipy: I'd like to go by your clock, and go home for the day now
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| 10:32 | * shawnp0wers walks out of work before lunch | |
| 10:33 | <hipy> awwww
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| 10:33 | :D
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| 10:33 | omfg the battery of my server is empty
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| 10:33 | the bios is reset and when i try to start the server it takes like 15x press the button before it starts
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| 10:44 | <alkisg> stgraber: do you remember if there were any problems with ltsp-localapps in "ltsp - 5.1.74-0ubuntu1~ppa1" from your ppa? I try with `ltsp-localapps xterm` and it doesn't do anything, while getltscfg -a reports that LOCAL_APPS_MENU=True, and while ltsp - 5.1.65 worked (but had the ldm problem). I'll try to upgrade to 5.1.85, but if you happen to remember any related problem, it'd save me from trying to debug this setup...
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| 10:46 | <_UsUrPeR_> alkisg: LOCAL_APPS_MENU=true is not required to get xterm working properly with localapps.
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| 10:46 | <alkisg> _UsUrPeR_: Ah, right :) Still, it should work, no?
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| 10:46 | (I had that for firefox)
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| 10:46 | <_UsUrPeR_> yeah
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| 10:46 | alkisg: is it logging anything to the client's /var/run/ I could have sworn there was a localapps log file in there
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| 10:47 | * alkisg will tell the other teacher to look there :( | |
| 10:47 | <alkisg> Proxy-debugging can be really difficult! :)
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| 10:47 | <_UsUrPeR_> alkisg: remember: you need screen_0X = shell to check those files
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| 10:48 | ...since ltsp-localapps xterm doesn't work :)
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| 10:48 | <alkisg> Right... :-/
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| 10:48 | I guess I'll try to install the same versions in a virtual box
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| 10:49 | <_UsUrPeR_> alkisg: ltsp-localapps is in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/bin, correct?\
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| 10:49 | <alkisg> _UsUrPeR_: I don't think it should; isn't that a server app?
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| 10:49 | I.e. in /usr/bin/ltsp-localapps?
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| 10:50 | <_UsUrPeR_> *shoopws* that's what I meant :)
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| 10:50 | <alkisg> I think it's a deeper problem, as even the xprop command doesn't work
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| 10:50 | The firefox desktop menu correctly has all the xprop command line, but it does nothing
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| 10:51 | It's like the xserver property magic isn't there
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| 10:51 | <_UsUrPeR_> hmm
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| 11:01 | <stgraber> alkisg: is localappsd running on the thin client ?
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| 11:10 | <alkisg> stgraber: I'm not onsite, but thanks, I'll have a look at that :)
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| 11:12 | <johnny> alkisg, maybe you should start ssh auto on those things..
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| 11:12 | if you do lots of offsite troubleshooting
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| 11:12 | <alkisg> johnny: I started to think about that 2 hours ago, and I think it's necessary :(
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| 11:13 | To see the client screen, I had to use italc over vino! (port forwarding problems) And of course I couldn't even see a local terminal... :(
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| 11:25 | <nelson_> anyone used kerrighed to setup a multiple server environment?
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| 11:25 | <johnny> never even heard of it..
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| 11:26 | <nelson_> :)
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| 11:26 | it's a cluster solution for linux
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| 11:27 | <johnny> never heard it mentioned here ever..
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| 11:28 | <nelson_> thank u johnny
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| 11:36 | <Lns> johnny, http://www.kerrighed.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
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| 11:36 | looks interesting...love the icon ;)
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| 11:38 | <johnny> Lns, i could have looked it up too ya know
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| 11:38 | <Lns> johnny, I didn't know you were capable of that ;p
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| 12:12 | <Davd> hi,is 10mbit switch with 100mbit uplink good enough for ltsp?
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| 12:13 | <Lns> Davd, are you going to be doing GUIs with ltsp?
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| 12:14 | <Davd> yes
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| 12:15 | <Lns> I wouldn't, personally, at all...
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| 12:15 | <alkisg> Davd, my personal opinion is no; better give e.g. 60 euros and buy a gigabit switch... or use something like nx server.
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| 12:15 | <Lns> I'd say 100mbit switch is ok (1Gbit uplink for server if > 4 clients)
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| 12:16 | but faster the better really
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| 12:19 | <Davd> ok guys,thanks for the advice, bye
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| 12:33 | <hipy> Hi
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| 12:33 | I have a problem when my client connects i get the ubuntu loadbar and then it stopts
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| 12:34 | <johnny> so.. edit the /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 12:34 | remove quiet splash
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| 12:34 | it'll show all the messages then
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| 12:35 | <hipy> ok
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| 12:35 | hold on
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| 12:35 | <hipy> it cant be that the cards are switched?
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| 12:39 | <hipy> i can teven do that since i dont know the ip of the server and the terminal is 1 white square
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| 12:41 | <hipy> Ok somboy help me , both network cards have the ip 192.168.0.254
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| 12:46 | <hipy> Antbody?:(
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| 12:46 | <cliebow> is this ubuntu?
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| 12:46 | <hipy> yes
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| 12:46 | ;S
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| 12:47 | <cliebow> maybe you have them hardcoded..boyh in /etc/network/interfaces? (iirc)
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| 12:47 | <hipy> I have what? :S i dont understand i just installed it and it should work right out of the box
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| 12:47 | :S
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| 12:48 | I have both ips 192.168.0.254
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| 12:48 | isnt it that 1 has the ip of the range of my lan network atleast?
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| 12:48 | and the other serves the thinclients
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| 12:49 | <cliebow> well..check that file to see what is up
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| 12:49 | <hipy> i cant im restarting hte server atm
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| 12:49 | i typed dhclient -r and dhclient
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| 12:49 | :p
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| 12:50 | ok online
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| 12:50 | <cliebow> also check which interface is default for dhcp3-server in /etc/default
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| 12:50 | <hipy> ok
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| 12:50 | * cliebow cliebow waits to be slapped | |
| 12:50 | <hipy> hold on im first trying to boot it weer
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| 12:50 | again*
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| 12:50 | *puts on laptop*
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| 12:50 | i switcehd ports already
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| 12:51 | only with 1 port it doesnt work and other does
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| 12:51 | only 1 freezes the loading screen:P
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| 12:51 | * ogra slapcliebow | |
| 12:51 | <ogra> *slaps
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| 12:51 | #please dont suggest that
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| 12:51 | <hipy> I got the errors
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| 12:51 | <cliebow> i expected that
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| 12:51 | <hipy> eth0 siocgifindex no such device
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| 12:52 | unable to emurate usb device on port 1
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| 12:52 | ipconfig: no deveid to configure
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| 12:52 | line1: caant open /tmp/net-eth0.conf
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| 12:52 | * cliebow cliebow goes back under his rock | |
| 12:52 | <hipy> kernel panic: - not syncging attempt kill init
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| 12:52 | what should i do
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| 12:52 | :<
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| 12:53 | <ogra> there is no driver for your network card in the client
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| 12:53 | <hipy> heh?
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| 12:53 | omg
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| 12:53 | <ogra> or you have two cards in there
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| 12:53 | <hipy> its a farly new laptop
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| 12:53 | :S
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| 12:54 | i dont get this how is that posible
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| 12:54 | I have indeed 2 cards in the server
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| 12:54 | 1 is conencted to the internet 1 to the laptiop
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| 12:54 | <ogra> i talk about the client you boot
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| 12:54 | <hipy> hmm
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| 12:54 | weird
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| 12:54 | :S
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| 12:54 | It doesnt has
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| 12:54 | <ogra> it does have an usupported NIC
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| 12:55 | do you have any idea what is in there ?
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| 12:55 | <hipy> its a laptop
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| 12:55 | with an ethernet input
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| 12:55 | thats all
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| 12:55 | <ogra> what card ?
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| 12:55 | <hipy> Dunno its onboard
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| 12:55 | its an eeeepc
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| 12:55 | but brb im shower
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| 12:55 | Its a weird message
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| 12:55 | * ogra will be gone for the evening then | |
| 12:55 | <hipy> ok
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| 12:55 | bye
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| 12:55 | :(
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| 12:56 | meh
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| 12:56 | weird
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| 12:56 | <ogra> "eth0 siocgifindex no such device" is a pretty clear message i think
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| 12:56 | especially the last three words :)
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| 12:57 | there is "no such device" because the kernel has no driver it could use
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| 13:01 | <userman225> is there any advice on installing LTSP to a network that already has a DHCP server
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| 13:06 | <johnny> sure..
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| 13:06 | !doc
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| 13:06 | <ltspbot`> johnny: Error: "doc" is not a valid command.
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| 13:06 | <johnny> !docs
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| 13:06 | <ltspbot`> johnny: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 13:06 | <johnny> userman225, it's probably in there
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| 13:06 | <cliebow> userman225, windows dhcp?
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| 13:07 | <hipy> k
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| 13:07 | Hmm
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| 13:07 | how i fix this
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| 13:08 | <hipy> eth0 isnt the card that is used for the thinclients is it
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| 13:08 | <userman225> cliebow, johnny, It is a solairs DHCP server, Rapport to be exact
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| 13:08 | brb guys
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| 13:14 | <atomic007za> h
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| 13:14 | <cliebow> q\
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| 13:15 | <Lns> Anyone have issues with thinclient lockups regarding using Firefox/Java apps?
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| 13:17 | <hipy> Who knows how to fix the no such device problem
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| 13:17 | "eth0 siocgifindex no such device"
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| 13:17 | <johnny> userman225, then read the docs that tell it to do the same thing
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| 13:18 | the docs for rapport, that do the same thing as suggested for dhcpd
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| 13:18 | <_UsUrPeR_> lns: never have.
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| 13:18 | <johnny> hipy, you need to rebuild your initramfs to include your network drver, there must be docs for that somewhere
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| 13:18 | <_UsUrPeR_> lns: are you running firefox/java on the server or as a localapp?
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| 13:19 | <Lns> _UsUrPeR_: on the server
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| 13:19 | We're using a java-based typing tutor called Typing Master, and it's been giving us major issues with hard-locks of the terminals during use
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| 13:19 | even w/XRAMPERC set
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| 13:19 | multiple sites
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| 13:20 | <_UsUrPeR_> LNS: are you able to try localapps for firefox/java?
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| 13:20 | <Lns> _UsUrPeR_: unfortunately not, we're on ubu 8.04
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| 13:20 | <_UsUrPeR_> d'oh!
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| 13:20 | <Lns> but a lot of our clients only have 128mb ram anyway
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| 13:20 | so..
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| 13:20 | <_UsUrPeR_> (d'oh pt.2)
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| 13:20 | <Lns> heh
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| 13:21 | <_UsUrPeR_> I have never seen firefox lock up due to java on the server or a client, though I have never really tried anything super-intensive with java
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| 13:21 | <Lns> _UsUrPeR_: yeah TM ( www.typingmaster.com ) is completely java based
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| 13:21 | it has graphical games in java and everything...lots of graphics
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| 13:22 | it's a nice program but unfortunately it's really causing issues
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| 13:22 | and there aren't many alternatives for linux typing tutors :(
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| 13:22 | not of that caliber anyway
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| 13:23 | <_UsUrPeR_> I have to say, tuxtype, while fun, needs to be majorly tweaked to become a challenge
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| 13:23 | the dictionary they use was not very extensive
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| 13:23 | <Lns> I heard there was a lot of work done during Google Summer of code on Tux4Kids
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| 13:23 | <hipy> In etc/network/ interfaces whas somethin comment out about eth0
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| 13:23 | something with dhcp
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| 13:23 | i put it on
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| 13:23 | <Lns> _UsUrPeR_: well there's also the issue of having no progress tracking, real test taking, etc...
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| 13:24 | <_UsUrPeR_> oh yeah. I forgot all about how mavis beacon did that...
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| 13:24 | <hipy> (20:20:30) (&hipy) auto eth0
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| 13:24 | (20:20:37) (&hipy) #iface eth0 inet dhcp
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| 13:24 | * _UsUrPeR_ has not used a typing program since he was 8 | |
| 13:24 | <Lns> ah, how i wish mavis beacon were on linux =)
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| 13:25 | <hipy> Hmm
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| 13:26 | <Lns> hipy: you really should have to be messing around in your chroot interfaces file, like johnny said you'll have to find the module for your NIC and put it in your initramfs..that should be all you need
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| 13:26 | s/should/shouldn't heh
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| 13:27 | <hipy> Well the weird thing is i get on the client no such device
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| 13:27 | but if it whas a driver
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| 13:27 | why does it work on the server like a charm
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| 13:28 | <Lns> hipy: it's the exact same nic?
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| 13:28 | <johnny> because your server has a different card?
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| 13:28 | <Lns> on the client and on the server?
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| 13:28 | <hipy> eth0
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| 13:28 | eth0 now has an ip in my range
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| 13:28 | so that works
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| 13:28 | other 1 has a fixed ip
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| 13:28 | but the server works fine
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| 13:28 | its the client
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| 13:28 | so maby my eeepc doesnt have that driver?
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| 13:29 | <Lns> hipy: yeah it's a known issue you need to build your module for eeepcs..i've got a 701g that needed that in fact
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| 13:30 | at least in earlier releases
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| 13:30 | i think they got it in recently
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| 13:30 | not sure though
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| 13:30 | <hipy> lns you do that on the client?
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| 13:30 | omg
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| 13:30 | :|
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| 13:31 | how
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| 13:31 | <Lns> hipy: don't know what you mean by "server works fine" ... they're different network chipsets. they need drivers just like windows
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| 13:31 | <hipy> The server works on internet wth eth0
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| 13:31 | but the eeepc gives erros
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| 13:31 | :S
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| 13:31 | lets try an normal laptop
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| 13:31 | <Lns> hipy: your server isn't an eeepc
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| 13:31 | <hipy> no
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| 13:31 | its an tullip pc
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| 13:31 | :p
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| 13:31 | with 2 network cardfs
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| 13:31 | ;p
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| 13:31 | <Lns> so...you catch my drift then?
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| 13:32 | <johnny> hipy, they have different drivers
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| 13:32 | <hipy> I dont think
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| 13:32 | hmm lets try an other laptop
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| 13:32 | :P
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| 13:39 | * Lns wonders if its possible Java could cause memory leaks on a client..? | |
| 13:39 | <hipy> my laptop just gives no things were offeerd
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| 13:40 | <Lns> hipy: then you need to enable things ;)
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| 13:40 | <sbalneav> Lns: I'd expect so, if it's allocating pixmap memory in X
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| 13:41 | <Lns> DAMN YOU PIXMAP MEMORY! heh
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| 13:42 | sbalneav: but...actually like i said i have xramperc enabled...
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| 13:42 | <hipy> Yay Yay Yay!!!!!!! my laptop didnt work first time
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| 13:42 | but second attempt ans it works:D!
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| 13:42 | weeeeh
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| 13:42 | ^^^^^^^
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| 13:53 | <Lns> Gadi: !
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| 13:53 | * Gadi waves | |
| 13:55 | * Lns is enjoying his thin client from Symbiont | |
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| 13:58 | <Gadi> Lns: excellent
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| 13:59 | btw, I need to talk to you about your "Pay It Forward"
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| 13:59 | in other words, who we're donating to
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| 13:59 | don't forget about that
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| 13:59 | <johnny> to me :)
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| 14:00 | donate to my store lol :)
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| 14:00 | <Lns> Gadi: ah yes
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| 14:00 | <johnny> altho .. some day we might need thin clients for our free school
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| 14:00 | <Gadi> school, open source project, or LTSP-by-the-sea
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| 14:00 | I don't think "johnny" qualifies
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| 14:00 | ;)
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| 14:00 | <Lns> lol
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| 14:00 | <johnny> our freeschool does :)
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| 14:00 | <Lns> can i put it toward my airfare? ;)
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| 14:00 | to ltsp-bts?
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| 14:00 | hehe
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| 14:00 | <johnny> if we were to actually want thin clients..
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| 14:01 | atm we have glass windows.. and a liberal key policy.. so not such a good idea atm..
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| 14:02 | <_UsUrPeR_> johnny: or the best idea ever >>> insurance money
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| 14:02 | <Lumiere> johnny: get kensington locks
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| 14:02 | and make sure they're locked to desks
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| 14:04 | <alkisg> (07:01:43 μμ) stgraber: alkisg: is localappsd running on the thin client ?
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| 14:04 | How would I see that? ps -ef doesn't display localappsd in either of my test-case vbox "labs", but in one of them (ltsp 5.1.85) the command `ltsp-localapps xterm` works, and on the other one (5.1.74) it doesn't...
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| 14:05 | <Lns> who would steal thin clients??
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| 14:05 | * alkisg tries to upgrade 5.1.74 to something newer... | |
| 14:05 | <Lns> they're useless compared to normal PCs... heh..I think of thin clients as anti-theft inherent
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| 14:07 | I constantly hear about schools getting their computer labs broken into and ripped off..but not once have I heard that their thin clients were stolen
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| 14:07 | * Lns knocks on wood | |
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| 14:11 | <alkisg> (10:04:18 μμ) alkisg: (07:01:43 μμ) stgraber: alkisg: is localappsd running on the thin client ? ===> oops, sorry, yeah when I logged on it run in both test labs. Still, on the 5.1.74 lab localapps don't work.
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| 14:14 | * nonix4 ponders which Ubuntu versions that "awesome integration" in topic is referring to... at least Jaunty image built with ltsp-build-client seems to fail to boot silently (amd64 server & clients) | |
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| 14:14 | <johnny> amd64 clients?
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| 14:14 | that's fun
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| 14:15 | do you have /opt/ltsp/amd64 ?
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| 14:15 | <nonix4> yes
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| 14:15 | <johnny> amd64 is probably rarely tested
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| 14:16 | nonix4, take out quiet splash from /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/amd64/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 14:16 | and reboot the clients to see where they are failing
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| 14:16 | nonix4, try not to be so snide next time and just state your problem
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| 14:17 | <nonix4> :)
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| 14:17 | * alkisg thinks that it would be nice to have a "recovery" pxe boot menu on the clients, similar to the standard ubuntu grub menu... | |
| 14:18 | <alkisg> ...and a memtest one (thanks vagrantc) and a boot from local media one :)
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| 14:18 | <johnny> yeah
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| 14:20 | <Lns> +1 alkisg !
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| 14:21 | <alkisg> vagrantc did a good start recently, he rearranged much of the pxelinux.cfg/default generation code
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| 14:21 | <Lns> Or simply a configurable menu by default
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| 14:21 | <alkisg> Now memtest is automatically put in a menu, if it's found in the proper place
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| 14:21 | <Lns> nice
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| 14:21 | <alkisg> We should just bug him to put the other two options there as well :P :D
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| 14:22 | <hipy> How do i isnstall java via pat-get
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| 14:23 | <johnny> the ubuntu wiki will probably tell you
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| 14:23 | try there
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| 14:24 | <Lns> hipy: sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin (if you're just looking for the browser plugin)
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| 14:25 | <hipy> ye
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| 14:25 | <nonix4> johnny: lol, thanks... removing "quiet splash" actually made it work, heisenbug detected :)
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| 14:26 | <johnny> lol
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| 14:26 | try putting it back
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| 14:27 | if that is the case, the nthe problem is with the splash then..
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| 14:27 | <Lns> splashes are overrated
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| 14:40 | <moldy> Lns: hi :)
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| 14:40 | <Lns> hey there moldy
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| 14:41 | I saw your tcm update in my updatemgr when i got in ;)
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| 14:41 | <moldy> Lns: did it work?
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| 14:41 | <Lns> been dealing with java issues..lemme check
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| 14:41 | (it didn't error out during upgrade anyway)
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| 14:41 | <moldy> i still don't have a hardy vm to test :( need to set one up
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| 14:41 | <Lns> it's ok i can be your tester ;)
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| 14:42 | well it launched, but i had already put the icons in .../pixmaps
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| 14:42 | do you want me to remove/re-install?
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| 14:42 | <moldy> Lns: apt-get purge the package, delete remaining icons manually, if any, and re-install
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| 14:42 | <Lns> k
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| 14:42 | <moldy> btw, if anyone has a pristine hardy virtualbox image he can share, that would be nice
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| 14:43 | <alkisg> So tcm-ng is in a beta testing phase?! Nice! :)
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| 14:43 | <moldy> alkisg: no, not yet
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| 14:43 | <Lns> moldy: yeah /usr/share/pixmaps/tcm dir was totally wiped when purged
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| 14:43 | reinstalling
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| 14:44 | <moldy> alkisg: it's alpha phase at best :) but if you like to test and report bugs, that would be a true help for us
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| 14:44 | <Lns> moldy: do you think s/tcm.core/tcm.common/ ?
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| 14:44 | <alkisg> moldy: sure, I'd like to give it a try if I may...
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| 14:44 | <moldy> Lns: yes, i think we want to change the name
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| 14:45 | <Lns> moldy: came up good :)
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| 14:45 | <moldy> alkisg: there is a ppa where i publish new packages about once a week. https://launchpad.net/~rene.f/+archive/ppa
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| 14:45 | <Lns> hehe..that logout icon definitely needs to be sized down ;)
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| 14:46 | <alkisg> Thanks, I'll try that! sudo apt-get install tcm.gnome after adding the ppa to my sources?
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| 14:46 | <moldy> alkisg: yes. apt-get update before.
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| 14:46 | <Lns> moldy: ok i'm in chatty debugging mode now ;)
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| 14:47 | <alkisg> moldy / Lns, aren't "-" more usual than "." in package names? E.g. tcm-gnome?
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| 14:47 | <Lns> Message window should have a default size to show all of titlebar "Message from admin" .. maybe change the text in there too..just cosmetic thou
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| 14:47 | alkisg: yes
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| 14:47 | <moldy> alkisg: yes, we will change the names
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| 14:47 | <alkisg> OK
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| 14:47 | <moldy> alkisg: if you like to, open a bug report
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| 14:47 | <Lns> lots of little cleanups to do eventually :)
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| 14:47 | <moldy> Lns: cool. should we do this in #lns to avoid spamming this channel?
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| 14:47 | <alkisg> Nah... only for "serious" bugs :)
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| 14:47 | <Lns> sure
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| 14:48 | <moldy> every bug report helps us keep track of the things we need to do :)
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| 14:50 | <hipy> question: my thinclient disconnected. i let an irc open. How long does it take for the session to get terminated
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| 14:53 | <moldy> has anyone any experience in testing virtual ltsp setups? can a virtualbox ltsp server work together with a virtualbox ltsp client on the same host system?
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| 14:55 | <alkisg> moldy: sure
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| 14:55 | Better do that on an "internal network"
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| 14:55 | <moldy> alkisg: sounds good... currently downloading a hardy iso
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| 14:56 | alkisg: what exactly do you mean by "internal network"?
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| 14:56 | <alkisg> moldy: there's bridged mode, host mode, nat mode, internal network mode
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| 14:56 | <moldy> alkisg: oh, i only used nat and bridge so far
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| 14:56 | <alkisg> In the internal network mode all vbox guests behave like they are connected on an isolated switch
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| 14:57 | <moldy> alkisg: wow, that sounds great
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| 14:57 | <hipy> (21:49:55) (hipy) question: my thinclient disconnected. i let an irc open. How long does it take for the session to get terminated <- anybody?
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| 14:57 | <alkisg> No dhcp server present (there is one in nat mode), no internet connectivity...
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| 14:57 | <moldy> alkisg: hm, i think i might want internet connectivity
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| 14:57 | <stgraber> ogra: trying a karmic chroot now (generated 30min ago)
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| 14:57 | <alkisg> moldy: so in a 2 nic server, you put the first in NAT or bridged mode, and the second one in internal network mode
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| 14:58 | <stgraber> ogra: it's booting but hal doesn't seem to work
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| 14:58 | ogra: I suspect dbus isn't working and hal doesn't start
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| 14:58 | <moldy> alkisg: you mean 2 virtual nics?
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| 14:58 | <alkisg> moldy: Yes. That actually matches the usual ltsp setup
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| 14:59 | <moldy> alkisg: ok, sounds good, thanks
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| 14:59 | <alkisg> yw
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| 15:03 | <hipy> Wow that terminate took over 10mis
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| 18:51 | <wallabybob> Anyone know some software for booting LTSP clients (pre PXE BIOS) off Cardbus NICs?
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| 18:55 | <vagrantc> wallabybob: you trying to boot wireless?
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| 18:55 | <wallabybob> No, wired but I would consider wireless.
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| 18:56 | <vagrantc> haven't heard of anything to network boot off of cardbus nics ...
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| 18:56 | nor wireless ...
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| 18:57 | well, there's precious few things that network boot wireless
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| 18:59 | <epsas> i thought grub could do that
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| 18:59 | oh -- net boot from hardware
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| 19:00 | <wallabybob> I've searched and the question comes up a from time to time but there doesn't see to be any good answers. I have a bunch of laptops with no LAN interface but two cardbus slots. I can get standard OS's to see a Cardbus NIC but etherboot doesn't.
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| 19:00 | <vagrantc> wallabybob: if there's any hope, it would be to get gPXE to recognize it ... but it's a small hope.
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| 19:01 | <wallabybob> I've tried gPXE but the BIOS doesn't initialise the cardbus bridge so pPXE doesn't see the Cardbus NIC when it scans the PCI device tree.
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| 19:02 | <vagrantc> don't know of anything that actually works with cardbus at that phase.
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| 19:04 | <wallabybob> If the cardbus bridge was initialised by the BIOS then gPXE would see the cardbus NIC and it might work, but there's a fair bit to add to gPXE to get it to initialise the Cardbus bridge in a generic way.
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| 19:14 | The laptops have a CD drive so I was thinking I could use a small Linux distribution to download the LTSP kernel and then kexec the downloaded kernel.
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