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Channel log from 27 September 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 06:46 | <jane1> any one knows about sound support in ltsp 5.0 for debian ethc
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| 06:46 | etch
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| 06:47 | <sep> jane1, isnt it mentioned in the ltsp docs under /usr/share/doc/ltsp*
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| 06:48 | <ogra> !debian
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| 06:48 | <ltspbot`> ogra: "debian" is is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
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| 06:48 | <ogra> should be at the bottom of the wikipage
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| 06:48 | etch had no proper sournd support, either take the backported packages or ubuntu since edgy
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| 06:49 | <jane1> ogra, I want to use etch for LTSP, with sound support, but as you told there is no proper sound support, but what about backported packgagees
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| 06:50 | <jane1> ogra, I can't get it , could you please clarify it,
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| 07:18 | <masus> hi all, can anybody help to configure a keyboard layout..
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| 07:18 | for ltsp clients
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| 07:20 | or lang_map
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| 07:56 | <masus> hi all, can anybody help to configure a keyboard layout..
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| 07:57 | <ogra> masus, you set that in lts.conf
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| 08:00 | <ogra> masus, depending on the release you use thats in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf (older releases) or /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf (latest release)
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| 08:01 | <masus> ltsp5
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| 08:02 | <ogra> up to feisty the first one applies, since gutsy the latter one
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| 08:02 | not sure if its in debian already
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| 08:02 | <masus> hmm
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| 08:02 | :)
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| 08:02 | u remember me
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| 08:02 | <ogra> (likely not since they are stuck with nfs, which we dropped)
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| 08:02 | <masus> ok but what to add to the lts.conf
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| 08:03 | XKBMODEL = tr ,
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| 08:03 | does not work
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| 08:03 | <ogra> tr is not a model
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| 08:04 | pc105 would be a model
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| 08:04 | tr is a layout
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| 08:04 | <masus> ok howto add a layout
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| 08:04 | i have misstyped :D
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| 08:05 | <ogra> XKBLAYOUT="tr"
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| 08:06 | <masus> oh :)
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| 08:07 | after change lts.conf, have i to update something
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| 08:07 | <ogra> reboot the client
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| 08:08 | <masus> :)
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| 08:08 | ok
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| 08:09 | <jammcq> g'morning
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| 08:09 | <Blinny> Morning!
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| 08:09 | <cyberorg> moin
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| 08:10 | <ogra> moin
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| 08:12 | <masus> moin :|
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| 08:23 | <toresbe> hey folks, I have a question. I'm not using LTSP, but I don't see any better place to ask...
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| 08:24 | I've got a problem when booting a debian etch stock kernel using nfs from a Ubuntu Gutsy system.
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| 08:26 | <exodos> toresbe: go on...
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| 08:26 | <ogra> toresbe, thats unlikely to work
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| 08:26 | the mounted root uses /lib/modules of the nfs ... which is out of sync with the running debian kernel
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| 08:28 | <exodos> but you can copy lib/modules/<debian-kernel-version> from debian to ubuntu nfsroot dir
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| 08:29 | and run depmod -a
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| 08:30 | <ogra> well, netx thing is that udev will break
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| 08:30 | debian simply isnt ubuntu :)
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| 08:30 | its not interchangeable
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| 08:31 | especially not for single packages
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| 08:31 | (after udev you wil get probs with upstart very likely)
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| 08:31 | just use the ubuntu ernel to boot the ubuntu chroot
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| 08:31 | *kernel
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| 08:32 | <prpplague> jammcq: greetings
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| 08:35 | <toresbe> sorry, I got an IRQ here
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| 08:36 | I've debootstrapped a file tree from which I've taken the kernel, thus the kernel and /lib/modules are in sync
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| 08:36 | everything is OK up until the NFS mounting
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| 08:37 | /srv/linroot slave01(rw,no_root_squash)
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| 08:37 | <ogra> how does your root-path directive look like ?
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| 08:37 | <toresbe> http://gunkies.org/stuff/nfs-problem.png
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| 08:38 | option root-path "/srv/linroot";
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| 08:38 | my problem is that I'm getting the RPC error 2 thing
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| 08:38 | <ogra> the server side is debian ?
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| 08:39 | <ogra> check if portmap is running and if its not configured to listen to localhost only
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| 08:39 | (in /etc/default/
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| 08:39 | )
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| 08:46 | <toresbe> hmm
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| 08:46 | portmap certainly is running
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| 08:46 | ogra: no, that's ubuntu
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| 08:46 | ubuntu listens on all if's by default
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| 08:46 | <ogra> yep, i know
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| 08:46 | i patched that
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| 08:46 | <toresbe> :D
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| 08:46 | <ogra> debian doesnt though
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| 08:46 | <toresbe> nope
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| 08:49 | <Guaraldo> jammcq: Morning, Jim!!!
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| 08:49 | jammcq: I've got the first LTSP 4.2 with Xorg 7.1.1 working...
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| 08:50 | :-D
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| 08:51 | * ogra wonders why | |
| 08:52 | <jammcq> because he can
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| 08:52 | <Guaraldo> ogra: That's a long, long history...
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| 08:52 | <ogra> heh
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| 08:52 | well, i'd just see that ltsp5 gets into your $FAV_DISTRO
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| 08:52 | instead of scattering development over old versions
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| 08:53 | <jammcq> he's got a specific need for a specific client
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| 08:53 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: a surprising amount of people run thin clients over deprecated LTSP deployments or using deprecated distro releases.
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| 08:53 | <jammcq> overall, it's better to do the $FAV_DISTRO thing, but obviously, that requires cooperation FROM the $FAV_DISTRO, which isn't always possible|easy
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| 08:53 | <ogra> yeah
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| 08:54 | <toresbe> ogra: anyway, I've ascertained that portmap is listening, and that nfsd and mountd registers against it. Any other known issues?
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| 08:54 | <ogra> Q-FUNK, indeed, i wasnt talking about usage but development
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| 08:54 | <jammcq> $FAV_DISTRO isn't always the best choice, when looking at specific cases. it's just GENERALLY the best choice
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| 08:54 | <Guaraldo> ogra: Sure... But ower LTSP4.2 in this client has many alterations... We made an LTSP server with dual boot on clients (GNU/Linux and Windows. The user can choose)...
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| 08:54 | <ogra> but if its a special project ,...
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| 08:54 | <Q-FUNK> for instance, I've got two customers currently askign whether they can run a ThinCan over some old obscure RH release.
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| 08:54 | <ogra> Guaraldo, yeah, understood
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| 08:54 | vagrant wanted to put such a menu into ltsp5 btw
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| 08:55 | not sure he ever started to code that (trivial task with ltsp5 though)
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| 08:55 | <Guaraldo> ogra: Well... maybe I can help him...
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| 08:55 | <ogra> yeah
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| 08:55 | it wont be more than 20 lines of code or so
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| 08:56 | doable in a day :)
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| 08:56 | <Guaraldo> ogra: Yep... maybe some lines more than 20... but not so BIG...
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| 08:57 | <ogra> we have a wikipage assembling such a thing anywhere
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| 08:57 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPMultiboot
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| 08:57 | there it is
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| 08:57 | <Guaraldo> ogra: Just need a menu that runs on client and writes a temp file with the option...
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| 08:57 | <ogra> its immature, but should work
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| 09:00 | <Blinny> It's non-trivial to do upgrades to most distros when things are scattered all over the filesystem and various partitions. That's why I'm using deprecated LTSP. Plus, it works.
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| 09:00 | <ogra> ??
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| 09:00 | <Blinny> Many companies (mine included) can't spring for separate machines to do separate tasks. Thus, a major LTSP/distro upgrade also affects databases, email, etc.
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| 09:00 | <evarlast> I just did the first MPI test run on my rebuilt using ltsp cluster. This computational cluster is now WAY more maintainable
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| 09:00 | thanks ltsp
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| 09:00 | <Blinny> I'm a little late getting into the convo. My apologies.
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| 09:00 | <ogra> Blinny, file locations havent changed for 2 years in ltsp5
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| 09:01 | <Guaraldo> ower solution is very simpler... After all conventional boot of LTSP 4.2, a menu is opened and user choose which sistem. So the client starts XDMCP system or RDesktop...
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| 09:01 | <Blinny> Didn't I just see a move from /opt/ltsp to /var/lib/ltsp ?
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| 09:01 | <ogra> Guaraldo, ah, thats a mater of a screen script then
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| 09:01 | i thought you have a menu for local boots
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| 09:01 | <evarlast> Blinny: only 1 machine? sounds like you need vmware, or at least vserver kernel
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| 09:01 | <Guaraldo> ogra: Yep...
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| 09:02 | <Blinny> evarlast: Thank you, no. I'm not running multiple OSs, and need every MB of RAM I have.
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| 09:02 | <ogra> Blinny, thats an additional part so users dont need to rebuild the image for every change in lts.conf, the old path didnt change its just more work to use it
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| 09:02 | <Guaraldo> No, ogra... all clients are diskless system... More than 1000... All them boot this dual screen script system...
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| 09:02 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 09:03 | <Guaraldo> Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:03 | <ogra> Blinny, lts.conf from tftp will override the one in the chroot, but if you dont have it in the tftp dir the chroot one will be used
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| 09:03 | <evarlast> Blinny: total bummer. ram is cheap :(
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| 09:03 | <Blinny> ogra: Ah.
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| 09:03 | <ogra> Guaraldo, i wonder how hard it would be to get your script into our ustream code
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| 09:04 | Blinny, we always kept beackwards compatoibility in lts.conf as much as we could
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| 09:04 | <Blinny> ogra: I see your point re: file locations. LTSP isn't the only package on the machine though. Sometimes packages change locations. (the Fedora change from /usr/local/ to just /usr)
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| 09:04 | ogra: Right-O.
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| 09:04 | ogra: Hopefully the LTSP part of my eventual upgrade will be easy, then.
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| 09:04 | <ogra> Blinny, the only massive difference wrt files is that since two years we dont use the evil nonstandard /tftpboot
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| 09:05 | <Guaraldo> ogra: It means many alterations... I'm still trying to understand all the system... To much hacking...
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| 09:05 | <Blinny> Yeh I never liked that.
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| 09:05 | <ogra> the old location ?
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| 09:05 | <Guaraldo> ogra: But very, very simple...
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| 09:05 | <Blinny> Yeah. The one I'm using :P
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| 09:05 | <toresbe> ogra: ...anything? :)
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| 09:06 | <ogra> toresbe, not atm, sorry
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| 09:06 | * Guaraldo thinks that the simpliest solutions are the best! | |
| 09:06 | <toresbe> ok, thanks for the tip...
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| 09:06 | <ogra> and actually i should prepare to leave now ... i'm flying to cyprus in 2h
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| 09:06 | <toresbe> oh, nice!
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| 09:06 | <Blinny> Fun
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| 09:06 | <ogra> not really
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| 09:06 | just work ... and i only stay for the one day i ave to hold my talk
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| 09:07 | * ogra usually doesnt see anything of the many countries he travels to | |
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| 09:25 | <toresbe> this is steadfastly refusing to work. Very frustrating.
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| 10:39 | <muh2000> how can i install an i386 package on a x86_64 debian installation? it creates only /opt/ltsp-4.2/amd64/ ltsp-build-client --dist i386: E: No such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/i386
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| 13:39 | <lns> Can anyone tell me where the default alsa configuration file is kept for all LTSP clients? I'm having a huge issue with 35 thin clients not defaulting to the headphone-jack sense being turned on. I can use alsamixer to turn it on, but it's temp. until you reboot. i need to make this the default.
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| 13:42 | <Guaraldo> lns: Hummm... Maybe thats my problem too... I'll test and issue it... :-D
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| 13:44 | <lns> Guaraldo, thanks...yeah, it's a pretty big thing when 35 students are all using their speakers at the same time and plugging in headphones doesn't do squat ;)
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| 13:45 | <Guaraldo> lns: I have more than 1000 thinclients using sound...
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| 13:46 | <lns> Guaraldo, woo! =)
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| 14:06 | <galvarezt> hi, i have some TC that came with an usb keyboard with a little touch panel (mouse), but i only get vertical motion in the mouse... can you help me please..
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| 14:14 | <vagrantc> lns: write a script and put it in lts.conf using RCFILE_00 ....
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| 14:15 | lns: you can probably do it with amixer
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| 14:16 | <lns> vagrantc, can you elaborate/send a url on RCFILE_00?
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| 14:17 | <vagrantc> lns: it's just a pointer to a script that gets run when the client boots
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| 14:17 | soooo....
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| 14:17 | RCFILE_00=/etc/my-custom-script-thingy
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| 14:17 | <lns> vagrantc, thank you. =)
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| 14:17 | <vagrantc> and /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/my-custom-script-thingy is a script that sets the volume
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| 14:18 | i suggest using amixer
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| 14:18 | <lns> i'm MANning amixer...i'll have to see a set of controls from the thin clients to find out which option will set headphone-jack sense on i guess
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| 14:19 | <vagrantc> i was actually experiencing the same problem with some thin clients here at freegeek
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| 14:19 | but i didn't even think to look at how to fix it :)
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| 14:19 | gotta go...
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| 15:16 | <dmorar> hi, i have one of this keyboards with mouse included, and the right-click button is set up as a key, i can get the keycode, but i dont know how to set it up to work as a mouse button, this is for my thin clients
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| 16:00 | <dmorar> hi, im trying to run xmodmap when a user logs in... how can i do this?.. i've tried inside xinitrc with no success
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| 16:01 | im running kdm
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