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Channel log from 23 February 2011   (all times are UTC)

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<muppis>
Could be possible convert working local installation to fat client?
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<vishal>
kiosk mode is not working
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can any body tell me how to fix the problem
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<alkisg>
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/572974
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<vishal>
whe i am goig to boot my client it is giving me ubuntu login page
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which i dont want ,,,instead i wat firefox
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<alkisg>
Right, read the bug report above
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<vishal>
o its ot working
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please help me out
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<muppis>
Trying to get Waltop -screen and eBeam -software to work in thin. Can get module loaded and eBeam doesnt find the screen.
05:22
Little stuck. Looks like whole packages is like pins on chair.
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<alkisg>
stgraber: I'll be using Lucid until 12.04 so I won't be able to test the new LDM code, but I think that this small change would save us a "bash" for each connected user:
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sshinfo->server, "echo " SENTINEL "; /bin/sh -", NULL);
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in plugins/ssh/ssh.c, to become:
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sshinfo->server, "echo " SENTINEL "; exec /bin/sh -", NULL);
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Also maybe it would be better if sshutils.c was renamed to ssh.c, so that the file history is kept, along with its license headers...
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<_UsUrPeR_>
g'morniing all
07:18
Has anybody gotten sound working with rdesktop?
07:19
<cliebow>
what are you guys using for virtual machine these days? kvm? vmware?
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<_UsUrPeR_>
cliebow: arw you addressing me?
07:20
>_> <_<
07:20
We are using KVM.
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<muppis>
cliebow, we use kvm.
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<cliebow>
okay..it has been a while..and then i played with vmware..fairly straightforward to configure?
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_UsUrPeR_, last i knew Gadi was the man to talk to about rdesktop/sound.
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<_UsUrPeR_>
hmmm
07:24
ok
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cliebow: oh, I have used vmware in the past. it is quite straight forward
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will you be using vmware server, or some other iteration?
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<cliebow>
feels so heavy..at least on the junk i have had to work with
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<stgraber>
/qu/query mvo
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oops ;)
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<cliebow>
~)
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<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR_: also try with `padsp rdesktop`
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cliebow: I'm very satisfied with vbox
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<cliebow>
excellent..looking
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<jtwood>
Is there a way to cache the files locally used for building a particular chroot?
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<alkisg>
$ ltsp-build-client --extra-help | grep -- --keep-packages
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--keep-packages keep cache of downloaded package files
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<jtwood>
Terrific...I had been googling with no luck. I am doing a lot of experimenting right now--and sometimes it just seems easier to dump the mistakes
08:29
alkisg, you seem to be very involved with LTSP and I appreciate the help. I've run into some of your chat logs online and they have been very helpful. Thank you
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<alkisg>
jtwood: then you might prefer this one instead:
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--mount-package-cache mount package cache dir from server
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Just append this to your ltsp-build-client calls, and it caches/uses cache automatically
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Drawback: you can't use apt-get on the server while ltsp-build-client is running
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<jtwood>
alkisg: Much appreciated.
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<mgariepy>
good morning everyone
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<alkisg>
man sshd_config => ClientAliveInterval => helpful for quickly terminating processes from crashed clients
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<zamba>
alkisg: ah, that is something i can use to "override" the tcp keepalive timeout at around 2 hours, right?
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<jtwood>
Where can I get the formatting and options for ltsp-build-client.conf? Not having any search luck, must be buried somewhere I haven't looked. :)
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<fuser>
Hi, is anybody using ltsp-cluster with load-balance on 2 o more apps server? how are you doing that? i mean, how you keep sync the filesystem (ie. /home ) over the cluster? is there a cluster filesystem solution provied by ltsp-cluster?
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<Lumiere>
fuser: look at nfs
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and nis/ldap
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<mgariepy>
fuser, we use nfs servers to share /home
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<fuser>
ok
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<mgariepy>
and ldap/edirectory for authentification service.
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<Lumiere>
ldap is better, but nis is easier to configure iirc
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<fuser>
ok, so, you mount a block device on one apps server, and then export this over nfs to the others servers..... i have working the cluster with that, also with auth trhough ldap... but i looking for a solution that can afront a shutdown of the first node (the node that exports the resource), a high availabilty solution
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thank you for the answer
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<mgariepy>
fuser, i usualy have the nfs exported from another server.
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<alkisg>
zamba: you can override the tcp keepalive from sshd_config too, that's an additional option, for much faster connection closing. man sshd_config will tell you more.
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<fuser>
mgariepy: that right, but that is a single point of failure, i'm trying to avoid that.... anyway, thanks so much for you answer
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<_UsUrPeR_>
Has anybody gotten sound working with rdesktop? -r sound:local doesn't seem to do it.
09:41
gadi: ping?
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<zamba>
alkisg: that was the ClientAliveInterval-thingy you talked about just now, right?
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<alkisg>
right
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<zamba>
cool
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alkisg: what's a sane setting for that on 100 mbps lan?
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<alkisg>
I just saw that in the man page and thought I'd paste it here, I didn't have a chance to try it yet
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<wakko222>
what type of thin client will work with ltsp? What brands, models? Or what specs?
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<markit>
hi, any suggestion about how to log resource usage of the server? To be able some days later to understand if swap has been used, how often net bandwidth limit has been reached, how much cpu or ram used, etc.?
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<mgariepy>
markit, maybe you can try munin to graph ressources usage
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markit, http://munin-monitoring.org/
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<markit>
mgariepy: looks really good, do you use it ?
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I need some "on the battle field" advices
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because I've no resources to take the wrong route (try and error aproach)
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<markit>
also I'm planning of implement a simple rdiff-backup cron script to save in a second hd the /home and /etc config
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any better idea?
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(I've no raid :))
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<m4xx>
in dhcpd.conf i see "if substring( option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9 ) = "PXEClient" {" can i do additional conditions based on mac addresses?
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i see http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/intrepid/man5/dhcp-options.5.html but don't see anything related to mac address
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<_UsUrPeR_>
m4xx: yes. you should be able to specify MAC addresses in the dhcpd.conf , even with the "if" line in there
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<m4xx>
i mean i want some clients to use one image and another set of clients to use another image
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is there a way to set like a group name for a list of mac addresses then say if group = "ltsp" { ... } else {...}
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<m4xx>
right now i've got something like group { host nx1 { hardware ethernet ... } }
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<m4xx>
then if known { .... } else { ... }
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but i dont think that's really a great way to go
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<m4xx>
http://paste2.org/p/1264227
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<alkisg>
m4xx: just wondering, are you sure you need to separate your clients at the dhcp level? Why not e.g. in lts.conf with a different SCREEN for them?
13:43* alkisg is using dnsmasq instead of dhcp3-server so he can't help with the syntax
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<m4xx>
i want to test with one chroot
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<alkisg>
Right. So why have 2 different filenames?
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<m4xx>
so if i screw up the default chroot i dont have to rebuild it
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<alkisg>
Ah so you want to test with 2 chroots
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I'd just use a backup there, but ok, understood
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<m4xx>
i have the default i386 chroot which i have a few clients using. and a freenx chroot that i'm testing with
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<alkisg>
I'd backup the i386 chroot, install the nx client to the one and only chroot, and make a screen script for that
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<m4xx>
but i've already gotten this far =x
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<_UsUrPeR_>
hey all. I am having some issues with nbd server in 10.10 with ltsp. Restarting the nbd-server in /etc/init.d doesn't seem to be having any effect, and the clients are booting to an initramfs prompt
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has this been a problem for anybody else?
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<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR_: nbd is started with inetd
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So to restart it you'd need to run: sudo invoke-rc.d openbsd-inetd restart
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<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: hmm. in 10.10?
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<alkisg>
I'm not aware of any related changes
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I'm still on 10.04, but I don't think nbd changed
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<_UsUrPeR_>
why would /etc/init.d/nbd-server be in there then I wonder.
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<alkisg>
What does it contain?
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<_UsUrPeR_>
I am helping someone else with a problem they are having
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<alkisg>
No not that
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That should be there
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But not the configuration file
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<wakko222>
Could anyone direct me to a website showing how to secure LTSP?
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<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR_: you don't have that, do you? /etc/nbd-server/config
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<_UsUrPeR_>
I do, yes
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looking at it now
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<alkisg>
What does it contain?
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<_UsUrPeR_>
exportname = /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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and expoername = /tmp/swp%s
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which is under [export] and [export1] headers respectively
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<alkisg>
Did he create it manually himself?
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<_UsUrPeR_>
he's saying they were all default.
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alkisg: it's started with /etc/init.d/xinetd or inetd?
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<alkisg>
xinetd shouldn't be installed
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So to get the defaults, *afaik* he'd need to uninstall xinetd, delete the nbd-server configuration file, and manage nbd from inetd.conf
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At least that's how it is in 10.04
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<_UsUrPeR_>
hmm
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<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: aha moment: the user installed swat which installes xinet and totally garfs up their nbd server
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<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: thanks for the help :)
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<Skarmeth>
hi all
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<alkisg>
np
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<Skarmeth>
I am using ltsp 5.2.x from Debian (6.0) and I noticed that /usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/rdesktop (from client filesystem) have a problem with /usr/bin/rdesktop params
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so I changed it to write error messages to a temporary file and I found that it don't pass the needed params (like server name/ip)
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<Gadi>
Skarmeth: how are you calling it?
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<Skarmeth>
how this line from /usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/rdesktop should be? here is debian 6.0 one: xinit $xinitrc sh /usr/bin/rdesktop -- ${DISPLAY} vt${TTY} ${X_ARGS} -br >/dev/null 2>&1
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<alkisg>
Are you using RDESKTOP_OPTIONS?
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<Skarmeth>
but before -- ${DISPLAY} there should be a ${RDESKTOP_OPTIONS} like in ltsp 5.1
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<alkisg>
What do you have in lts.conf?
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Ah
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<Skarmeth>
SCREEN_07 = rdesktop and RDP_SERVER = "192.168.0.4"
14:44* alkisg faintly remembers a similar report before...
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<Skarmeth>
I saw some in ltsp mailing list
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<Gadi>
hmm... it looks like in the latest upstream, someone put in a wrapper rdesktop.sh script
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and it calls /usr/bin/rdesktop.sh
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<Skarmeth>
there is no such file
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(just opened a bug in debian because of this)
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<alkisg>
25 Nov 2010, /me searches for the logs link...
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<Gadi>
revno: 1760
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committer: Marc Gariepy <mg@revolutionlinux.com>
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branch nick: ltsp-trunk
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timestamp: Tue 2010-07-20 15:30:11 -0400
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message:
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adding a wrapper for rdesktop because it cannot be launched with pasuspender b
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ecause the command get two -- in the line.
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<Skarmeth>
in debian file, it refers to /usr/share/ltsp/rdesktop.sh
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(6.0)
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in 5.0, it was /usr/bin/rdesktop
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<Gadi>
sounds like it wasn't packaged
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likely vagrantc didn't notice the change
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<Skarmeth>
yes, so I opened that bug
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<Gadi>
speak of the devil
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<alkisg>
http://www.nubae.com/logs/ltsp20101125_pg2.html
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That was the chat with the rdesktop.sh problem
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<_UsUrPeR_>
ok, so the original problem: there are two users logging out after properly logging on to their thin clients. Here's an example /home/[user]/.xsession-errors -- http://pastebin.com/80EMsRr6
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gadi: a question about rdesktop since we're on the topic: I am having some problems getting -r sound:remote working properly.
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is there a trick I am not aware of to get rdesktop working properly with sound?
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<Gadi>
you want the sound to come out the server?
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<_UsUrPeR_>
err -r sound:local :)
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<Gadi>
ah
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<_UsUrPeR_>
sound out of clients :)
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<Gadi>
did you enable it in terminal services?
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<Gadi>
(disabled by default)
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<_UsUrPeR_>
I suppose not. Where is that enabled?
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<Gadi>
terminal server configuration
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properties
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<_UsUrPeR_>
oh, on win 2k8
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ok
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<Gadi>
Client setup tab
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or some such
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<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: the terminal services config -- is that from a win2k8 r2 standpoint?
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<Gadi>
yeah
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<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: ok, now that I think of it, I am able to play sound from a windows remote desktop session on the client. Just not with rdesktop.
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which lead me to believe that this was an rdesktop problem.
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<Gadi>
did you check that the client's sound card comes up properly?
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ie, get a shell on the client
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run alsamixer or some such
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<Skarmeth>
hey Gadi and alkisg the problem was that missing file from Debian 6.0 package
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<alkisg>
Skarmeth: after putting the file there it worked ok?
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<Gadi>
vagrantc: ^^
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<Skarmeth>
yes
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just fine
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<alkisg>
Skarmeth: ok, file a bug in the debian tracker so that vagrantc handles it
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<Gadi>
make sure he knows it is preventing you from enjoying the use of Windows
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:)
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<alkisg>
Heh :D
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<Skarmeth>
I just need to update it as I just had filled that bug already
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we need to access government applications that only runs in Windows
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all that free software campaing from brazilian goverment don't reflects in practice
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<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: gotta run - may the force be with you
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<_UsUrPeR_>
ok back
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oh no :/
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<Skarmeth>
thanks guys
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<wakko222>
Does Sunray stuff work with pxe?
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<vagrantc>
wakko222: no
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<wakko222>
ok, thanks
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do you have any suggestions?
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<vishal>
hi team,, M onstalling ubuntu 10.04 server on my machine
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can i install ltsp on that
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so that i can boot client with firefox
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<alkisg>
Sure
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<vishal>
let me know how to boot client so that he will get firefox only
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<alkisg>
The way you did it, with the kiosk plugin
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Read the bug report, it describes the problem you had
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<vishal>
can u give me tha command
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send me the link
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<alkisg>
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/572974
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<vishal>
hey last time i ran the same command ltsp-build-client --kiosk but client was not getting firefox instead he was getting ubuntu login page
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<alkisg>
Yes, I know
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And I told you yesterday to read the bug report
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Why are you not reading it?
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It contains both the problem AND the solution
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<vishal>
hey let me know is this problem occur only with 10.04 lucid or some othe version also
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<muppis>
Sorry for this, but it is hilarious. http://www.stickycomics.com/wp-content/uploads/update_for_your_computer.jpg
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